Victim Mentality

Sarahmay · 05-21-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by futureyes

we ARE what we create ... we CREATE what we are ...

we can finally come to see this ... or not ...

take responsibility ... or not ...

we can break free of the old ... or not ...

create the new ... or not ...

and if we do ... we live the new ...

and if we don't ... we won't ...

pretty simple equation ... why do we complicate it so ...

because we fear ...

who do we fear ... do we really fear the doers of evil ...

or ...

do we fear who we really are ...

do we fear the knowing of our own power ...

do we intuitively fear it for it is the means to finally change this world ...

do we really want change ...

look within ... what is it we really fear ...

Oh, this is all so true. THEY don't want us to know how powerful we are!

Seashore · 05-21-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Oh, this is all so true. THEY don't want us to know how powerful we are!

Yeah, and we need to accept responsibility!

futureyes · 05-21-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by seashore

Yeah, and we need to accept responsibility!

not next week ... not tomorrow ...

today ...

let's do it today ...

the time is now ...

no procrastinating ... no "to do" lists ...

today's the day ...

Seashore · 05-21-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by futureyes

not next week ... not tomorrow ...

today ...

let's do it today ...

the time is now ...

no procrastinating ... no "to do" lists ...

today's the day ...

You're inspiring me!!

rhythm · 05-22-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by seashore

You're inspiring me!!

Future Eyes

yes she is an inspiration !!!

i like this thread

lots .....

thank you ....

avyaktam · 05-22-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rhythm

Future Eyes

yes she is an inspiration !!!

i like this thread

lots .....

thank you ....

Second that. The spirituality threads are buzzing.

rhythm · 05-22-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by avyaktam

second that. The spirituality threads are buzzing.

yes you are right

buzzing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Christo888 · 05-22-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jnana

If you haven't read it yet, check out "Handbook for the New Paradigm" which is available various places on the net including the Avalon Ark Library here. It discusses at length the issue of victim mentality and how to overcome it.

For starters, STOP focusing on those who you believe to be in control. You give them power by focusing on them. STOP focusing on doomsday scenarios. You make them more likely by focusing on them. STOP following anyone and START thinking for yourself. Focus on the future you want, a future that we can all be proud of, that is for the best and highest good of all. START making it happen, in whatever ways present themselves to you. Make it your personal responsibility.

You can only be controlled if you continue to forget what you are - an amazingly powerful sovereign being.

Selfishness is also an important part of the victim mentality. Becoming unselfish, focusing more on the needs of others and doing something about it, is a good way to start.

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Originally Posted by Anchor

Yes!

Victim mentality is essentially irresponsible. It also suggests a predisposition to the notion that one will be rescued or looked after. (Not gonna happen!)

We have to clean up our own mess, even if we were tricked or misled into the actions which got us here.
A..

A victim is someone who is waiting for someone, something, or some event to rescue them.

A lot to work on but the sooner the better.

futureyes · 05-22-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Christo888

A victim is someone who is waiting for someone, something, or some event to rescue them.

A lot to work on but the sooner the better.

spot on christo ...

would it be beneficial for us to continue adding fresh coffee every morning into our cups which are still full of the previous day's coffee?

of course not ... no matter how much fresh coffee we add there'll always remain the old stuff ... practice this for a while and some of that coffee gets really really thick and gross ...

we wouldn't do that ... we'd clean our cup in the a.m. and pour all new fresh stuff to begin our day ...

if we were the coffee we drink ... why would we insist on not cleaning ourselves up of the old within us ... how can we expect to entertain the new when the old remains ... thicker and denser does it become over time ... blocks and leaves little room for anything fresh and appetizing ...

sooo ... let's clean out the old paradigm within us once and for all ... let's make room and fill our selves with all that is new ... the sooner the better is most beneficial at this juncture ...

filling our selves with new coffee here and there are great glimpses of what can be ... but we can't keep layering them ... we need to clean out the old stuff ... start anew ...

we must stop waiting for someone else to clean our cups out ...

fresh coffee anyone?

i'm laughing ... never thought i could corelate coffee into this ... it just sort of flowed ...

rhythm · 05-22-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by futureyes

spot on christo ...

would it be beneficial for us to continue adding fresh coffee every morning into our cups which are still full of the previous day's coffee?

of course not ... no matter how much fresh coffee we add there'll always remain the old stuff ... practice this for a while and some of that coffee gets really really thick and gross ...

we wouldn't do that ... we'd clean our cup in the a.m. and pour all new fresh stuff to begin our day ...

if we were the coffee we drink ... why would we insist on not cleaning ourselves up of the old within us ... how can we expect to entertain the new when the old remains ... thicker and denser does it become over time ... blocks and leaves little room for anything fresh and appetizing ...

sooo ... let's clean out the old paradigm within us once and for all ... let's make room and fill our selves with all that is new ... the sooner the better is most beneficial at this juncture ...

filling our selves with new coffee here and there are great glimpses of what can be ... but we can't keep layering them ... we need to clean out the old stuff ... start anew ...

we must stop waiting for someone else to clean our cups out ...

fresh coffee anyone?

i'm laughing ... never thought i could corelate coffee into this ... it just sort of flowed ...

Brilliant girl

Christo888 · 05-23-2009, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by futureyes

spot on christo ...

would it be beneficial for us to continue adding fresh coffee every morning into our cups which are still full of the previous day's coffee?

of course not ... no matter how much fresh coffee we add there'll always remain the old stuff ... practice this for a while and some of that coffee gets really really thick and gross ...

we wouldn't do that ... we'd clean our cup in the a.m. and pour all new fresh stuff to begin our day ...

if we were the coffee we drink ... why would we insist on not cleaning ourselves up of the old within us ... how can we expect to entertain the new when the old remains ... thicker and denser does it become over time ... blocks and leaves little room for anything fresh and appetizing ...

sooo ... let's clean out the old paradigm within us once and for all ... let's make room and fill our selves with all that is new ... the sooner the better is most beneficial at this juncture ...

filling our selves with new coffee here and there are great glimpses of what can be ... but we can't keep layering them ... we need to clean out the old stuff ... start anew ...

we must stop waiting for someone else to clean our cups out ...

fresh coffee anyone?

i'm laughing ... never thought i could corelate coffee into this ... it just sort of flowed ...

Perked me right up!

Seashore · 06-02-2009, 11:40 AM

Can members who are experienced at meditation share their thoughts on how meditation helps overcome victim mentality?

recallone · 06-02-2009, 03:22 PM

In The Celestine Prophecy (by James Redfield), various control dramas are explained. This is one of many roles that are adopted in an attempt to acquire energy from others. Granted, the very idea of energy to be found outside of oneself is the problem to begin with. This is perpetuated by our mythological religions endorsing the idea of a God outside of ourselves. No such thing.
A greater understanding of our divinity and connection to all that is helps to dispel this and many other errant energy-seeking-roles. As Krishnamurti says over and over again, the very act of seeking implies a lack, a state of confusion that can only bring more of the same.

Victim mentality? A side effect of the system that seeks to control through lies.
It's false and therefore creates unwanted (and unnecessary!) issues, not the least of which is a manufactured sickness, condition, whatever - that is the epitome of separation/division.

Seashore · 10-21-2009, 09:51 PM

Regarding the Illuminati, said to be of a Reptilian mind-pattern, Swerdlow says this in Blue Blood, True Blood:

"Each person on Earth must gain control of his/her own minds to find out who and what they truly are within God-Mind. Then, if they teach others to do the same, eventually this will extrapolate to a critical mass that will spill over to the rest of the population. Then there will be no need or possibility for any victim-mentality to exist, and no oppressor will be attracted. Mankind will then be free. This new mind-pattern of the species can even be taught to the Reptilians, and any other race or type of beings. God-Mind allows all. In God-Mind, this solution has already occurred! Everyone must now become aware of it."

Anchor · 05-21-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by seashore

Yeah, and we need to accept responsibility!

Yes!

Victim mentality is essentially irresponsible. It also suggests a predisposition to the notion that one will be rescued or looked after. (Not gonna happen!)

We have to clean up our own mess, even if we were tricked or misled into the actions which got us here.
A..

Seashore · 05-21-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

We have to clean up our own mess, even if we were tricked or misled into the actions which got us here.
A..

Exactly. And we will reap the benefits!

alyscat · 05-22-2009, 01:02 AM

FWIW, IMHO, there are 2 things working here. You can say you create your reality (and I believe we do) - But still things "happen" - so does that mean you haven't created them? Can't be sure, but the one thing I know for sure is that we are in total charge of our reactions to them - Oh, you might have a moment of annoyance or a moment of helplessness, but on the whole, you have choices to make about how you are going to react, or even perceive a situation.

An example, I have a solar guy, recommended by my builder. I LOVE my builder. The solar guy seems disorganized, (I mean, I had to provide the compass on his first visit - how disorganized is that?). Not only that, but certain situations look like he's overcharging me - he doesn't really know how to quote an install - I have some choices - I can look it as disorganization, or I can look at it as a deliberate attempt to scr*w me. One of those "judgments" leaves me feeling a whole lot better than the other. If I think I"m easily scr*wed, everyone does it, I'm a victim. If I think, he's disorganized and it's up to me to stay on top of it, then I'm not.

Perception is everything - including our self-perception.
Alys

TraineeHuman · 05-22-2009, 01:31 AM

It's interesting how quickly a small kitten can unlearn feeling very powerless. If you take a very shy small kitten and keep putting your little finger next to it then pulling the finger away quickly as if in panic, in a few minutes the kitten will transform into a tiger. Watch out for your legs, because it'll then be chasing anything that moves that's under, say, 50 times bigger than itself, and remotely within range. And it'll still expect to be victorious over you.

It's equally interesting that as adult humans we have trouble quickly unlearning some of our victim beliefs. Of course, we've worked very hard -- often since childhood or adolescence -- to con ourselves into those beliefs. That's how powerful we've been. Often there was major "pressure" from parents or society to create them, of course. But I guess the most far-out power trip of all can be to have used your power against yourself, in a "self-castrating" way.

I'm not sure it's possible to begin to get rid of some of these victim beliefs until one has precisely identified them. That's not so easy, because our defense mechanisms run on automatic and work independently to try and discourage us from facing certain things about ourselves -- and our past influences.

Seashore · 05-22-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alyscat

...Oh, you might have a moment of annoyance or a moment of helplessness, but on the whole, you have choices to make about how you are going to react, or even perceive a situation...

06-02-2009, 11:40 AM	#12
Seashore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,564	Re: Victim Mentality Can members who are experienced at meditation share their thoughts on how meditation helps overcome victim mentality?

06-02-2009, 03:22 PM	#13
recallone Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 289	Re: Victim Mentality In The Celestine Prophecy (by James Redfield), various control dramas are explained. This is one of many roles that are adopted in an attempt to acquire energy from others. Granted, the very idea of energy to be found outside of oneself is the problem to begin with. This is perpetuated by our mythological religions endorsing the idea of a God outside of ourselves. No such thing. A greater understanding of our divinity and connection to all that is helps to dispel this and many other errant energy-seeking-roles. As Krishnamurti says over and over again, the very act of seeking implies a lack, a state of confusion that can only bring more of the same. Victim mentality? A side effect of the system that seeks to control through lies. It's false and therefore creates unwanted (and unnecessary!) issues, not the least of which is a manufactured sickness, condition, whatever - that is the epitome of separation/division.

10-21-2009, 09:51 PM	#14
Seashore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,564	Re: Victim Mentality Regarding the Illuminati, said to be of a Reptilian mind-pattern, Swerdlow says this in Blue Blood, True Blood: "Each person on Earth must gain control of his/her own minds to find out who and what they truly are within God-Mind. Then, if they teach others to do the same, eventually this will extrapolate to a critical mass that will spill over to the rest of the population. Then there will be no need or possibility for any victim-mentality to exist, and no oppressor will be attracted. Mankind will then be free. This new mind-pattern of the species can even be taught to the Reptilians, and any other race or type of beings. God-Mind allows all. In God-Mind, this solution has already occurred! Everyone must now become aware of it."

05-22-2009, 01:02 AM	#17
alyscat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Washington state Posts: 743	Re: Victim Mentality FWIW, IMHO, there are 2 things working here. You can say you create your reality (and I believe we do) - But still things "happen" - so does that mean you haven't created them? Can't be sure, but the one thing I know for sure is that we are in total charge of our reactions to them - Oh, you might have a moment of annoyance or a moment of helplessness, but on the whole, you have choices to make about how you are going to react, or even perceive a situation. An example, I have a solar guy, recommended by my builder. I LOVE my builder. The solar guy seems disorganized, (I mean, I had to provide the compass on his first visit - how disorganized is that?). Not only that, but certain situations look like he's overcharging me - he doesn't really know how to quote an install - I have some choices - I can look it as disorganization, or I can look at it as a deliberate attempt to scrw me. One of those "judgments" leaves me feeling a whole lot better than the other. If I think I"m easily scrwed, everyone does it, I'm a victim. If I think, he's disorganized and it's up to me to stay on top of it, then I'm not. Perception is everything - including our self-perception. Alys

05-22-2009, 01:31 AM	#18
TraineeHuman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 174	Re: Victim Mentality It's interesting how quickly a small kitten can unlearn feeling very powerless. If you take a very shy small kitten and keep putting your little finger next to it then pulling the finger away quickly as if in panic, in a few minutes the kitten will transform into a tiger. Watch out for your legs, because it'll then be chasing anything that moves that's under, say, 50 times bigger than itself, and remotely within range. And it'll still expect to be victorious over you. It's equally interesting that as adult humans we have trouble quickly unlearning some of our victim beliefs. Of course, we've worked very hard -- often since childhood or adolescence -- to con ourselves into those beliefs. That's how powerful we've been. Often there was major "pressure" from parents or society to create them, of course. But I guess the most far-out power trip of all can be to have used your power against yourself, in a "self-castrating" way. I'm not sure it's possible to begin to get rid of some of these victim beliefs until one has precisely identified them. That's not so easy, because our defense mechanisms run on automatic and work independently to try and discourage us from facing certain things about ourselves -- and our past influences.