Worship Is Not Necessary

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

You're just baiting me. I am not dumb.

Paul never said a word that Jesus taught. Paul never even mentioned Jesus being a teacher. Paul never mentioned the virgin birth.

IF Jesus was a great teacher and had all these amazing things to say, Paul would have elaborated upon them.

IF Jesus was born of a virgin, Paul would have mentioned it. The idea of messiah as propounded by Christianity RELIES on Jesus being born of a virgin.

Jesus was a militant rebel, trying to force the kingdom of god, like so many in his day and age did, but the kingdom of god was just an independent Israeli state.

Paul made up a religion on the fly. Jesus' teachings are nothing special, and sometimes hideous.

It's the Emperor not wearing clothes things. So much of modern spiritual stuff is based on Jesus being someone special and Israel being God's chosen people. Neither premise is true, both are false.

The Teachings of Jesus (regardless of the source) are the real deal. Most of the rest of the Bible is BS (as usually taught). Paul did not carry out the Great Commission found in Matthew 28:18-20. Egyptology may be the key to properly understanding the Bible. Also consider the Gospel of Thomas and the Book of Enoch. I don't trust any of the Gods and Goddesses. Jesus was opposed to the Royal Model of Divinity and Governance. Jesus could have been a rebel Egyptian insider/whistleblower. Jesus did not command people to build temples and cathedrals...in which to worship and praise him. So who might Christians really be worshipping and praising on Sun-God Day? Could human-sacrifice, worship, and praise really be reptilian requirements? I think we will always need art, music, architecture, churches, clergy, fellowship, etc...but without penitence, human-sacrifice, worship, praise, gods, and goddesses. I like the idea of an Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...without worship, praise, penitence, and sacrifice...which effectively communicates Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Now they're really gonna burn me.

Better Dead Than Rep.

Namaste

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

The Teachings of Jesus (regardless of the source) are the real deal.

1). The sayings of Jesus were already being said before he lived.

2). While some of them are fairly close to true spirituality, most of them are hideous threats, ten virgins, being ready in that hour, narrow path, bearing fruit, etc.

3). The actual surroundings of the actual history establish FULL WELL that Jesus was not a spiritual teacher of any merit, he was crucified for being a militant. They decided he was "the" messiah after he was dead. They argued fussed and fought about what it all meant, as do churches still today.

Bottom line, it means nothing and is meaningless. My story proves it false, as only a true omniscient omnipotent being could have orchestrated my story. And I set out on a mission to REPLACE religion with NATURE, REALITY and SPIRIT. Which I succeeded in doing, with HER help, against all the machinations of arrogant MALE DOMINATED mass stupidity in society at large.

They made up the born of a virgin dude form all the other old messiah stories. The kingdom of god was supposed to happen in that generation. All the prophecies were meant for that day and age. The gospels contradict each other on what Jesus said on the cross and what happened at the tomb.

Christianity is over.

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

1). The sayings of Jesus were already being said before he lived.

2). While some of them are fairly close to true spirituality, most of them are hideous threats, ten virgins, being ready in that hour, narrow path, bearing fruit, etc.

3). The actual surroundings of the actual history establish FULL WELL that Jesus was not a spiritual teacher of any merit, he was crucified for being a militant. They decided he was "the" messiah after he was dead. They argued fussed and fought about what it all meant, as do churches still today.

Bottom line, it means nothing and is meaningless. My story proves it false, as only a true omniscient omnipotent being could have orchestrated my story. And I set out on a mission to REPLACE religion with NATURE, REALITY and SPIRIT. Which I succeeded in doing, with HER help, against all the machinations of arrogant MALE DOMINATED mass stupidity in society at large.

They made up the born of a virgin dude form all the other old messiah stories. The kingdom of god was supposed to happen in that generation. All the prophecies were meant for that day and age. The gospels contradict each other on what Jesus said on the cross and what happened at the tomb.

Christianity is over.

1. The principles and concepts revealed in the words attributed to Christ are much more important to me than the source. I don't think anyone was meticulously writing down everything Jesus said. His 'teachings' may have even consisted of a pre-prepared script of the 'Best Hits of Ancient Wisdom'.

2. The moral of the Parable of the Ten Virgins (and being prepared) is to be spiritually prepared for spiritual warfare...which will intensify eschatologically...in the 'Quickening'. The Narrow Path imagery represents that those who are irresponsible and who do not love neighbor as self...will not be able to participate in the 'Kingdom of God'. This put the Corrupt PTB on notice that they would be on the outside...looking in. People 'bear fruit' and behave responsibly when they are spiritually mature. How one lives, and how one treats others, is extremely important. The essence of the Teachings of Jesus is Namaste Responsible Freedom. It is a Religion of Responsibility.

3. I have very little argument with Albert Schweitzer and his 'Quest of the Historical Jesus'...and little argument with most legitimate Jesus Studies...such as conducted by 'The Jesus Seminar'...or reflected in books such as 'A Myth of Innocence' by Louise Gluck. The Teachings of Jesus were suppressed after his death. Paul established a very different religion...not based upon the Teachings of Jesus. The churches are fussing, fuming, and confused...because they don't follow the Teachings of Jesus. They don't do what Jesus said to do.

It sounds as though you are seeking to replace a god with a goddess. Who knows...they may be the same being. I don't dispute your experience. Supernatural Stuff (SS) really happens...but I generally don't trust the supernatural because of so much deception and demonic activity.

You are correct that Christianity (as is usually taught) has astrological and pagan aspects...and mirrors ancient mythology. You are also correct that the prophecies of Christ applied to that present generation. Some try to use dual applications (then and now) through inaugurated and consummated eschatology.

Churchianity is over (unless the New World Order Theocracy is successful). Christlike Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is just beginning.

Namaste

[New Age Messiah]

Orthodox...

See, what happened is, people were begging for a messiah, people were lining up to be the messiah. The messiah's sole function was to deliver the Jews out from Roman rule. The kingdom of God was just an independent Israeli state.

Heaven didn't exist, neither did hell.

Jesus was a leading rebel, strong, in the line of David.

He got crucified, the rebellion was crushed and so were the spirits of the Jews.. Then they said he was the messiah.

If Jesus would have been a great teacher, Paul would have taught what Jesus taught. If Jesus was born of a virgin, Paul would have said it.

Paul was writing what was, in his mind, the authoritative word of what Jesus meant to the world. He said everything he knew to say.

There were conflicting gospels, i.e. interpretations...

The book "The Birth of Christianity" by Joel Charmichael describes very well what was going on.

Paul was learning the spiritual indwelling stuff form pagans long before he ever heard of Jesus.

On and on... I proved the religion false. And I proved all other religions false.

So now we get to start New for the New Age. Makes sense.

[Aztar]

Has anyone else besides me figured this out yet?

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by Aztar

Has anyone else besides me figured this out yet?

No

[waitinginthewings]

I am confused....you said you are a black hole & you also said your are "the Messiah".......so

does this mean you are a Messiah with a black hole in you? just trying to make sense of what you said.

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

I am confused....you said you are a black hole & you also said your are "the Messiah".......so

does this mean you are a Messiah with a black hole in you? just trying to make sense of what you said.

I declared a mission to go into the depths, to find something new.

And then by the weirdest twist of fate ever, I got psycho-tortured into a black hole and then I had a revelation and saw a light.

And then there were millennial scale miracles, one after another after another, and then finally the Goddess spoke to me.

It has taken 24x7 grueling "gnosis" to find my way out of the black hole.

I was crippled and deranged, slandered and hated, la la la.

People turn off as soon as you say the wrong thing, but, it's the greatest true story ever told, and I could write for a century...

The miracles are undeniable and unfathomable...

The mission was fulfilled. It was sacrificial from the heart.

I found something new, and shazam, the New Age is upon us.

[waitinginthewings]

thank you for your explaination Messiah.......what is your work now? Do you have a goal to accomplish?

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

thank you for your explaination Messiah.......what is your work now? Do you have a goal to accomplish?

My goal is to survive the unleashing, of the trauma in its final stage, any second, it'll be a gamma ray burst type thing.

It's POWERFUL.

I have lived as a bicycle monk in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho for five years.

I painted Coeur d'Alene and a spiritual battle, twenty years before I got to Coeur d'Alene... It was the only painting I ever did, except a little warm up painting... http://www.lookyourheartinthemirror....ur-dalene.html

And now I find out Coeur d'Alene has been prophecied to be a Golden Age Golden City or whatever, by Lori Toye and Michael Scallion.

I have been saying Coeur d'Alene is the New Jerusalem for several years. I said I would be the next Ghandi, a year before I found out I have the same birthday as him...

I was commercial agent of the year in real estate, and I've done lots of things, but as it is now, where all society trampled and ridiculed and hated and rejected me here, slandered, BAD, and the courts and police and social services and every facet of society failed...

Anyway, I sit crippled in my house, go to the gym as often as I can, and wait. I live on pennies from heaven, barely survive on thin ice constantly, even now. Hasn't changed for years.

The newspaper has suppressed the story, etc.

My landlord lives in Rescue California, and he rescued me.

Every aspect of the story is like that...

[waitinginthewings]

You said....that you sit crippled in your house.......are you unable physically to walk or ride a bike?

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

You said....that you sit crippled in your house.......are you unable physically to walk or ride a bike?

It's an intense storm in my body, that I can turn off, like repress, if I have to.

I can do physical things. My awareness is in a time warp, though, most of my awareness is in a black hole, spinning like a tornado, literally. Massive pressure, held back by a point of singularity and tons of tiny filaments of tension twisted in knots, spinning...

I am sure no one has ever experienced what I am experiencing, and it could not have happened except that I learned the mechanics of a black hole as a LOST fan, reading up on the science of it, trying to figure out how the island disappears.

There is nothing human about me, as I experience life, hardly, a little bit now, barely. But I do have all the cognitive information. "I am the universe" and "Reality is God" were the two most important things I knew from my ego life of learning, and I put those into practice and they proved true.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

1). The sayings of Jesus were already being said before he lived.

that is because

truths are not fashions

that change with the seasons


the wordings might differ

from time to place

in conformity with the recipients


the kernel inside the husks has the same taste


not one generation lives up to the teachings

but ever so often

individuals come along and pluck them


and that is what it's all about

one's personal journey to the unknown


the fingers are pointing

distractions abounding

the sidetracks exiting


the world is confounding


what will I do with this stick

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

[CENTER]
that is because truths are not fashions that change with the seasons the wordings might differ from time to place in conformity with the recipients the kernel inside the husks has the same taste not one generation lives up to the teachings but ever so often individuals come along and pluck them and that is what it's all about one's personal journey to the unknown the fingers are pointing distractions abounding the sidetracks exiting the world is confounding what will I do with this stick

Throw it in the fire, if it didn't bear fruit!!!

The sayings of Jesus were already being said, proves that it was EASY to manufacture a FAKE life story.

The made up story Jesus said NOTHING new, he was NO great teacher.

Obviously if Jesus was a great teacher, Paul would have mentioned that, and elaborated upon the teaching.

Jesus said and did nothing unusual. People die all the time for their religion or their country, willingly.

If he knew he was the Son of God and would be resurrected, what's the big deal anyway???

It's a non-story, all spin and hype and lies.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

Throw it in the fire, if it didn't bear fruit!!!

1st I will pat your head with it lol


there are teachers before and after Jesus telling the same truths

truths do not change

if they do they hardly were truths


the case of the Christ

made of a woman

made under the law

as Paul says


means His body was biologicaly formed

in His mother's womb

like any other body


but He is begotten and not born of a woman


we are not our bodies but we enter life because of intercourse

this is the normal conception


the case of the Christ is a noble conception

begotten by the Father

spawning a sphere into the womb of Mary



the big deal is

the troubles of the world was forseen and redeemed

by the Passion of the Christ

[14 Chakras]

We all have pieces of the puzzle. I personally agree that I do not believe Jesus was born of a virgin. I believe the word that was translated as "virgin" in English versions and later versions of the original text actually means "PURE". Mary was Pure, Jesus had brothers and sisters, Joseph was his father, and she was not a virgin.

(Also noting Jesus is constantly referring to himself as the "son of man" in the new testament).

Jesus embodied the Christ consciousness, Christ consciousness is the "only begotten Son of the Father", and you can embody this consciousness too, because the messiah is indeed the Christ consciousness and the Passion of the Christ is when you let your ego die on the cross of the things of this world and are reborn as the Living Christ Being that you really are.

The savior and messiah is indeed reality, it is inside and it is your own, and every single person's own Christ Self ~ The Messiah within.

[New Age Messiah]

I think all that Christ consciousness stuff is just to placate Christians, and lure them into new age stuff.

Jesus is a made up story. He wasn't a teacher. Sorry. he was a rebel, jihad type, trying to bring about an independent Israeli state. He was in the line of David, so the messiah thing worked.

Nobody knew what a messiah was, for sure, so they all made up their own ideas. Paul vs. the apostles. Paul wins by way of the apostles didn't write anything down, because they thought the end was happening as they were alive.

After everyone was dead, they went through Paul's writings, added some Mithra stuff, some other messiahs stuff, some truisms, and the virgin born stuff and threw in a few dramatic deals, like the tomb story that is inconsistent from "gospel" to "gospel".

Obviously the whole thing was made up and thrown together haphazardly, makes no sense and does not address the human condition and that is why despite TRILLIONS of dollars and MILLIONS of professional Christians, the religion falls flat and all that happens because of it is CHURCH.

Jesus is about like the other "messiah" Obama, we know almost nothing about him, except what tptb tell us, how grand he is, etc.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

I personally agree that I do not believe Jesus was born of a virgin. I believe the word that was translated as "virgin" in English versions and later versions of the original text actually means "PURE". Mary was Pure, Jesus had brothers and sisters, Joseph was his father, and she was not a virgin.

lol yes Jesus had younger brothers and sisters


He was Mary's 1st child

when she still was a virgin


Listen to Gabriel

The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God

[14 Chakras]

"The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God"

Yes, agreed.

Now fact is (I would say), YOU RedeZra are the Son of God. You simply must remember and take up your rightful role as a Co-Creator, not a victim, not 'a sinner', but Be Perfect as your Father / I AM in Heaven is perfect by "letting this mind BE in you that also was in Christ Jesus".

Now that quote above is fine and dandy, I would agree, the Holy Spirit did indeed overshadow Joseph as he "knew" Mary to create Jesus. Yes indeed. I agree with the quote.

I strongly, strongly, strongly believe that it is pure myth that Jesus was born of a virgin (and if you do look at ancient legends you will see this was always the legend with the "god men" from the legends) but the reality is that it is a myth perpetrated by the Prince of this world, and the purpose is to make it seem impossible to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, instead to worship him like the golden calf and create the graven image of God the father and 'his only son Jesus', which is simply rediculous frankly imo.

Jesus had a very important mission, it was to walk the path of Christhood and demonstrate the Christ consciousness and total surrender to the I AM within.

The reason he did so was not so he could be a BLOOD SACRIFICE TO AN ANGRY GOD IN THE SKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As letters from Paul may have us believe from 2000 years ago.

I suggest Paul created this myth in order to help the Jews stop doing the realistically satanic practice of blood sacrifice every week to their angry god in the sky. He said this to help them stop doing it, not because it had any basis in reality whatsoever (in my opinion ).

I suggest the reason Jesus came and fulfilled his mission, was so that YOU would follow him and take up YOUR CROSS and die daily , until you have been reborn as the Christ as Jesus was reborn as the Christ by knowing the reality that I and my Father are One.


(I still am a bit passionate about a few subjects and capitalize words when maybe I shouldn't... . )

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Now fact is (I would say), YOU RedeZra are the Son of God. You simply must remember and take up your rightful role as a Co-Creator, not a victim, not 'a sinner', but Be Perfect as your Father / I AM in Heaven is perfect by "letting this mind BE in you that also was in Christ Jesus".

sure I can become that

because I am that


Jesus is that


therein lies the difference


do you see it

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

sure I can become that

because I am that


Jesus is that


therein lies the difference


do you see it

Yah definitely I do. For me, I work with Jesus Christ so that I can Be the Christ like he was the Christ. I choose to follow in the Masters' footsteps and I wish for All of his sheep to do the same.

I hold Jesus to his Word: You will do the works that I do, only greater works than these you will do because I Ascend to the Father.

Yes definitely, Jesus is the Christ in the spiritual realm (along with many other Masters), and I am still working on surrendering the ego. I call to Jesus, work with the Ascended Jesus Christ on a daily basis and will continue to do so for this embodiment. Highly recommend we all do!!!

[New Age Messiah]

Mankind has been foolishly worshiping gods forever.

Thank Goddess for the New Age Messiah and that nonsense can finally end.

The Goddess worships Her creation with love and power, CONSTANTLY, all NEW energy is LOVE.

The soul reprocesses old energies into thoughts and feelings which most likely are not loving...

Purify the old energies by being them without owning them, they are Her being, it is not your responsibility to be. She is.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

I hold Jesus to his Word: You will do the works that I do, only greater works than these you will do because I Ascend to the Father.

just curious

what great works do you wish to do Chakra

apart from creating new planets lol

[14 Chakras]

I really wish no works, I really don't care to be honest, but I do wish to Be Below all that I AM Above. I do wish to remember. I do wish to see through the veil and Be the Christ ~ Why? Well, quite honestly I do wish to do so simply to fulfill the promise, fulfill my Divine Plan and realistically I care very much about Planet Earth and the beautiful people, and I have no desire to see this fall any further, I have a strong desire for a Golden to come to Earth and it's people's. I'm upset with what I see the Powers that be doing, I do not wish for this to continue.

I believe the true message of Jesus, was that unless we choose to follow him and be the Christ, then heaven will simply not come to earth. The outer savior is an illusion, a lie. Only if we choose to Be will this earth be raised up. Only if we choose to Be, will we follow the commandment from day one: Take dominion over your planet.

Right now, PTB are ET. We do not even run our own planet. I don't like that.

So I choose to surrender my ego, in exchange for the Christ consciousness, and I do so willingly because I know if I don't, who will? Who is? Who is Being? It is time to Be. And only you can decide whether you choose to Be.

I choose to Be. And I wish very much for my brothers and sisters here to choose to Be, to BE reborn as the Living Christ, our True nature.

[greybeard]

I would like to sugest that people who are interested in their personal spiritual evolution have a look at the work of Dr David Hawkins
On this link
http://www.veritaspub.com/

He is a present day mystic.

Respect all but be devoted only to the Creator is my advice.

The lower astral is full of very powerful beings who deny God.
Its a very attractive spiritual circus full of half truths.
Very dangerous "Wolves in sheeps clothing"

Im not of any religion.

Chris