Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

[Jonah]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

(83) Jesus says:
(1) "The images are visible to humanity, but the light within them is hidden in the image. The light of the Father will reveal itself, but his image is hidden by his light."

(84) Jesus says:
"When you see your likeness you are full of joy.
But when you see your likenesses that came into existence before you – they neither die nor become manifest – how much will you bear?"

(17) Jesus says: "I will give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has not occurred to the human mind."

(29) Jesus says:
"If the flesh came into being because of the spirit, it is a wonder.
But if the spirit (came into being) because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.
[I][COLOR=red]Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has taken up residence in this poverty."

If the spirit came from flesh...

if the tree came from seed... and so it does... we had to create the bridge to the astral beyond the etheric so that our seed could become a tree... I like this abrax... if i am interpreting this correctly... but then as many here seem to forget.. it only matters how i interpret it...

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Jonah

If the spirit came from flesh...

if the tree came from seed... and so it does... we had to create the bridge to the astral beyond the etheric so that our seed could become a tree... I like this abrax... if i am interpreting this correctly... but then as many here seem to forget.. it only matters how i interpret it...

Indeed Jonah!

The enigma is as to how, if the physical worlds emerged from some spiritual plenum as is generally postulated and believed; the created worlds then SOMEHOW become a feedback loop for the materially preexisting 'spirit'?

And you have discerned well. This is but the 'fall of the starhumanity' from its original home of the 12D omnispace through the 9D etheric and the 6D astral into 3D physicality.

This is wonderfully described in Genesis.2:

Genesis 2:3-5 (King James Version)



3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Now Jonah; YOU are able to translate the archetypes in this scriptural encoding through and by your discernments.

The 'before it grew' semantics, describe the souls of manyness dispersing in individuations of consciousness (from the ONE SourceSoul or Oversoul or WorldSoul) into the metaphysical archetyped universe, before it existed in space and time.

The often bemoaned 'fall of humanity' so is cosmic necessity to establish the feedback loops between the unseen templates for the seen creations.

Should you continue to engage such discernments Jonah, then you will be on a narrow path into full remembrance.

Your tree Jonah, is destined to grow from a seed within you to eventually create a feedback universe as big as you can fathom.

AA

[beren]

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

13.For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14.And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15.It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

[Jonah]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

The often bemoaned 'fall of humanity' so is cosmic necessity to establish the feedback loops between the unseen templates for the seen creations.

Should you continue to engage such discernments Jonah, then you will be on a narrow path into full remembrance.

We shall see abrax,

I have enough trouble remembering where i put my keys...

But it is sad to see what most people have allowed... as they stare at the tv... hard to argue the fact that we have fallen...

but i see the light in woman/man... if it weren't for the current controllers ability to keep us stuck... if feel man/woman would figure "it" out on his/her own...

this is the problem most people have abrax...

it's difficult to look past the emotions that get brought to light when dealing with such an overwhelming acceptance of the current situation...

People need someone to blame I suppose... hence the current riff and confusion set upon humanity... and still after all the this is known... when all the secrets are revealed the mob will still want blood...
lots of e=motion still left to learn from...

wouldn't want to be tptb when the light shines upon the dark and vice-versa for that matter....

to all who believe that they know what i believe... think again... .then ask your self why am i still thinking...

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Jonah

We shall see abrax,

I have enough trouble remembering where i put my keys...

But it is sad to see what most people have allowed... as they stare at the tv... hard to argue the fact that we have fallen...

but i see the light in woman/man... if it weren't for the current controllers ability to keep us stuck... if feel man/woman would figure "it" out on his/her own...

this is the problem most people have abrax...

it's difficult to look past the emotions that get brought to light when dealing with such an overwhelming acceptance of the current situation...

People need someone to blame I suppose... hence the current riff and confusion set upon humanity... and still after all the this is known... when all the secrets are revealed the mob will still want blood...
lots of e=motion still left to learn from...

wouldn't want to be tptb when the light shines upon the dark and vice-versa for that matter....

to all who believe that they know what i believe... think again... .then ask your self why am i still thinking...

There is a plan behind the plans and the many things of the present turmoils, physical, emotional, mental and spiritual - Jonah.

Ask yourself, why is this present turmoil necessary and what 'higher' purpose does IT serve?

The answer is the 'mission of Gaia' as a hologram of the greater universe, vastly greater than galactic identities of any kind.

The full implications of this plan behind the plans, requiring Gaia's ascencion and Barbelo's descension; have not even been fully 'worked out' in its basic archetypical structure as yet.

This 'constructing a new plan' for the purpose and destiny for the starplanet both collectively and individually; will be a group-cocreative effort for the old humans enabled to break through their eggshells to metamorphose from caterpillar to butterfly.

But my comment about your 'fathoming' relates to this.
It will become clearer to all after the 'tribulations' have ended.
The few will of course begin to form the 'core' for this new world a little earlier as the pioneers and the 'eager ones' within the cocoons.

AA

To anyone reading this thread....

it seems i woke up " too honest" this day

I am sorry (no I am not) but what is this crap about waging war against anything people do not like...

warrior/war against darkness
war against poverty
war against terror
war against climate change
war against drugs

People don't like something - they declare a war on ti (G.C)

How unreasonable is it to call yourself a light and a warrior...it is like naming a missile patriot....something that can destroy but hey...it is patriotic...so no worries...it is for the good cause?

Blow the mofos up - redeem their "crimes" against my believes.

Being a "warrior" while hiding behind the "love and light" principles...how "dare" you?

Please spare with all the "philosophy" (excuses) on the usage of word war/warrior with "good" intentions. No room for debate here - it is like "arguing" with a religious fanatic.

You are acting like a bunch of "mainstream kids" that refuse to listen or see to anything that is not according to their view/perception of life and the moment something is not like them they form a "gang" to protect their "right".

You put your "warrior" out and eventually you get your "warrior" back...now

Is there a chance that Abraxasinas is full of ****? YES there is! BUT!! THE SAME GOES FOR YOU OR ME OR ANYONE ELSE!!!

It seems like we should ban the whole forum here.... but if it helps you make feel better Abraxasinas has already been banned once under the pretense of breaking forum rules...(he answered my question LOL and got banned). Now it seems, so I read, there are new rules in the making to prevent such threads? What is this - New Age Fascism? I do wonder what or who is so much clairvoyant that can put together such a rule...

Will there be more word twisting?

You people here like science fiction? You people here know Star-gate SG1? Well in the begging the dream team comes on some planet...and there were people on that planet called the Nox. Please do watch that episode and see how they handle the problems (the point being their philosophy about it)

"Young do not always do as they are told."

I am yet to see the day when "humanity" will put their words before their swords...when they will ask questions first and will not strike later....the day when also the living will be able to see the end of war...not just the dead

and my "advice" to you: if you do not like something, simply do not bother with it...do not put your attention to it...do not help to prolong it...

Inappropriate reason mod edit: might be...depends on your current moral standards...but for the sake of not arguing...i agree

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

You are acting like a bunch of "mainstream kids" that refuse to listen or see to anything that is not according to their view/perception of life and the moment something is not like them they form a "gang" to protect their "right".

Gang to protect our light....i am very sorry to see you feel that way..
i am not in any gang...nor do i support the idea of such.

Abrax knows full well how i feel.

And as you see he CAN defend his points of view and in NO way feels threatened by our disagreeing or our feeling compelled to do something about it.

All i see are other people telling "us" keep your opinions to yourself.

Should we always agree?

Disagreeing brings knowledge..in my world...what does it bring in your world?

i may be intimidated...but i am not a yes girl.

Abrax responded to Lionhawk...i do not think he responded to me...but i did not really ask him a question..

and as he said....This threads purpose is to answer questions about Thuban.

He has every right to ask us to keep focus on the subject at hand.

a few came to his defense...feeling quite indignant...

as was stated above..

HE NEEDS NO DEFENSE


i will ask 3 questions here....

Abrax..

Do you wish to spread light ?

Bring knowledge to a wide base of people who are awakening to a new reality?

if so would you consider starting other threads, based on other experiences that may offer "newbies" some tools to decipher your thread?

3 questions...none about love abrax...*smiles*


Abrax..on a side note...i remember seeing a request from the MODS to only quote what is necessary...you seem to quote big long texts..and add only a few words sometimes...i am told this is not "easy" on the forum (ok ok i know im not very techie minded..but i am sure you know what i mean )

[viking]

Originally Posted by bigmo

Exactly what are you Celine, Lionhawk, Transo, Viking, etc. so concerned about?

I’ll make this short… (My time is too valuable to waste here!!)

Bigmo, I have no concern at all with this thread, or the Author.

As far as I am concerned it is a waste of my valuable time. I have stopped visiting this thread as I do not resonate with it at all…

I find more interest reading ‘Grimm Fairy Tales’ to my Kids … !!

As far as I am concerned the Author here lives in ‘Wonderland’ … perhaps 'Cuckoo land' is more appropriate ...

The only reason I popped in here was because I saw that Lionhawk had been here I wondered what on earth he was doing.

By the way, good on you Lionhawk for stepping in, and Celine for coming forward and expressing yourself.

Anyone here (Avalon) with intentions to steer mind towards evil intent will be caught out eventually. So rest assured folks the light always wins. Just know in your heart that all will unfold in time.

Stop feeding the dragon!!

If the dragon doesn’t get any nourishment here he will feed elsewhere!

viking

[Céline]

Originally Posted by viking

Stop feeding the dragon!!

If the dragon doesn’t get any nourishment here he will feed elsewhere!

viking

so well said...good advice dear friend.

and i belive that applies to more then just posting to his thread...thereis a need to reflect deeper on LionHawks words..and yours viking.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Céline

and i belive that applies to more then just posting to his thread...thereis a need to reflect deeper on LionHawks words..and yours viking.

Prehaps Lionhawk should set up his own thread and answer questions that pertain to his own wisdom and knowledge.

We always see polarised views expressed on this forum, Lionhawk is just as capable as catalysing them as abraxasinas (recent posts proove my point) - or if we put the effort into to it, you me or anyone else.

It is my belief that NO HARM IS BEING DONE BY THIS THREAD.

My challenge/question to those who wish to answer it is, if you think that assertion is wrong - back it up.

A..

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Anchor

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My challenge/question to those who wish to answer it is, if you think that assertion is wrong - back it up.

A..

back it up..

ok fair enough .

May i ask though to clarify what you mean as proof? Do you wish to see documentation? A presentation on my point of view?


i also ask if you , Anchor , could respond to me in private..

firstly ..i feel vulnerable, when i expose my points of view to publicly..and secondly, i am tired of hijacking abraxas's thread and being the focus of peoples anger.

i have no issue with criticism, i actually thrive on it..i want to know more and learn to ...understand this and other points of view.

Yes i agree Lionhawk should start his own thread.

i also want to encourage abraxas to read and comment on other peoples threads...You may learn something about us, that could surprise you abraxas.

i know this thread takes up a lot of your time, but there is so much more to PA , then just your soapbox...

in hopes to hear from you soon Anchor...

*celine steps off the soap box and goes back to her flowers*

[Anchor]

Celine,

Sorry, my comment was not aimed at you specifically. It was a mistake for me to comment your post in this way - I was not singling you out and I am sorry I posted that way, it was an error.

Everyone,

I am not asking for proof - I did not use that word. I just wanted to see more than innuendo and would like specific examples of things or characterstics that people are seeing on this thread that would/could cause harm or be "negative" - or be an "abomination to what PA stands for".

I am very aware that there are people (members and moderators alike) on this forum that do not like the influence that abraxasinas's thread has commanded over an area of the forum; or the perceived message/agenda contained in this thread. Personally my suggestion would be to fight fire with fire in this regard, simply come up with something equally popular and thought provoking.

I am especially interested in why people feel it right to choose what should or should not be permitted in the attempt at answering legitimate questions posed on the forum - which contains within its purpose debate and understanding of humanities future spiritual and energetic evolution.

Many have dismissed abraxasinas's information and I fully delight in the freewill that allows this, many have not - and it cuts both ways. I for one, without exercising any admin/moderator bias, find abraxasinas's posts interesting, and I fail to see any harm coming from them.

Lionhawk has posted an equally interesting series of messages that I find are somewhat confrontational in nature but are done in a considered way that does not damage or at this point attack or cause harm (thus they stand).

It is clear that Lionhawk's repositories of information are deeper than average and I would like to see more come from that (please!) - maybe on a different thread.

Originally Posted by GaiaLove

Abrax, the jig is up, for all to see. The Honorable thing to do is leave with dignity.

I don't see it, which is why I am asking for it to be spelled out. In what way is there a risk of dishonor? (A serious question for a serious accusation)

Personally all this talk of changing the forum guidelines in a way that would not permit this kind of thread is not fair, nor (in my view) substantially accurate.

A..

[GaiaLove]

Originally Posted by Anchor

I don't see it, which is why I am asking for it to be spelled out. In what way is there a risk of dishonor? (A serious question for a serious accusation)

Personally all this talk of changing the forum guidelines in a way that would not permitting this kind of thread is not fair, nor (in my view) substantially accurate.

A..

I cannot spell it out more than I already have in the past.
I am very intuitive and when this person first posted here many will remember my reaction.
I stand by it. I know evil when i sense it.
I am not in a position to do what should be done so I watch and wait.
It is, a matter of time.
I just hope the damage is repairable

[abraxasinas]

Excerpt from post #75 on thread: What was Jesus then?

Originally Posted by Providence

One very powerful statement made in the Secret Gospel of Thomas which truly resonated with me is this:


"Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be disturbed. When he is disturbed, he will be astonished and will rule over all".

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. What WAS he speaking of? Truly something much more than the physcial, yet, something still among us, even now, just out of reach.....another dimension

I read a fair amount of Elaine Pagels work and I have just purchased a book called The Third Jesus by Depak Chopra.

A note on Christianity... as others have said.. the parallels between Christianity and Mithraism are uncanny. And why shouldn't they be? Mithraism was one of the competing (and popular) belief systems when Christianity was in its infancy. The virgin birth was but one of the many cross-pollinating ideas between the two religions. All completely fascinating.

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. What WAS he speaking of? Truly something much more than the physcial, yet, something still among us, even now, just out of reach.....another dimension



Richard T. replied:

He will be disturbed because he will realize that everything he had based his evaluation of reality will dissipate, because he will meet himself at the other hand of the tunnel and realize that who he meets is more real than who he was. His beliefs will be annihilated. He will be astonished because he will find reality to be greater than what he could have imagined, because he will have access to the mysteries, to everything that was hidden, and he will rule because it is through him that what he will have found will rule. All will be ruled, even the hierarchies who work under the laws of domination and who used those laws to render humanity insignificant, limiting it to beliefs and refusing it the right to know.

All churches, all religions have recuperated the coming of the Nazareen, of the avatar of Pisces, to bend his words to their own advantage and power. All religions have been used within a sphere of comprehension that was limited to beliefs. None have ever really explained, none have ever really unveiled what was behind the words. The words were used as shields against the spirit they carried.

So that today, those who believe are left with a caricature that they try and imitate.

The problem is that people don't read by vibration. They study the form and the vibration is replaced with the cultural value of the words, which of course is different according to the diverse transcriptions and translations, to languages that were created within the limited scope of experimental consciousness based on ignorance and manufactured concepts that in turn were used to steer the destiny of nations at the expense of the individuals. So, the spirit of the letter was lost and today people adore the letter as an icon.

Abraxasinas comments:

Indeed, this passage in the Gospel of Thomas is the most profound statement ever made by any sentience at any time in the universe.
This saying did NOT derive from a human or ET mind, but stems from the Cosmic Logos of Creation.

Anyone understanding this particular saying through a thinking heart and a feeling mind would become enabled to translate the 'hidden meanings' of Jesus' words in the New Testament and so become familiar with his mission as this Logos of the Universe.

The 'trouble' with the interpretation of Providence is, that heshe assimilated hisher own attempt of decipherment with the 'expertise' of others, such as Elaine Pagels or some theological-historical academic authority or some other 'expert' like Deepak Chopra.
Iow, the attempt of decipherment becomes an exercise in second-handedness.

It is ok to do so, but the final illumination cannot be found anywhere, but the World Logos of Jesus itself and in communication with the individual Logos of the discerner.

The archetypes of Christianity originate from the same source as the symbols of all other religious philosophies like Mithraism, Zoroasterism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam.
So a convergence of the mythologies is to be expected.

The 'trouble' with Richard T.'s response is, that he misunderstands the function of vibrational discernment with respect to the processor of this vibration, namely the aformentioned coupling between a thinking heart and a feeling mind (to use one form of labeling).

The vibrational energy of the saying is omnipresent and for anyone to 'tune into'.
But this vibrational energy must be PROCESSED by the receiver and if the processor experiences interference from ingrained mindsets, tunnel vision or natural biases as part of individuated worldviews, then the 'vibration' will be filtered by the processor in a personal and egocentric manner.

Then, and as is the case in Richard T.'s reply, the actual 'Purity of Form' relayed by the archetype cannot be discerned in its most elementary function.

As a consequence, Richard T.'s first paragraph circumvents the core meaning of the saying.

"Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be disturbed. When he is disturbed, he will be astonished and will rule over all".

"He will be disturbed because he will realize that everything he had based his evaluation of reality will dissipate, because he will meet himself at the other hand of the tunnel and realize that who he meets is more real than who he was. His beliefs will be annihilated. He will be astonished because he will find reality to be greater than what he could have imagined, because he will have access to the mysteries, to everything that was hidden, and he will rule because it is through him that what he will have found will rule. All will be ruled, even the hierarchies who work under the laws of domination and who used those laws to render humanity insignificant, limiting it to beliefs and refusing it the right to know."

When one finds (the actual PHYSICAL presence of God within), then the heart-mind (or feeling-intellect) realisation of this as a fact, will OPEN a Channel to the Universal Logos.
Metaphorically, the 'thinking heart' of the receiver/finder will RESONATE with that of the Cosmic Christ via a mental attunement of the so labeled 'feeling mind'.
This 'proves' that the saying cannot be understood by the mind, unless the communication between the Individual Logos and the Christ Logos is pure in resonance.
This process so requires the RECEPTOR MIND of the Finder to reflect the processed information back to the EMITTER MIND and EMITTER HEART of the Source through the EMITTER HEART of the Finder.

The disturbance (in the mind) eventuates, because suddenly the switching of polarity between mind receiver and heart emitter allows the seeker/finder to be omnipresent and to suddenly appear to accomodate a multiplied personality.

In practical terms, one is enabled to BE the environment, to BE the ant crawling on the wall or the dog one takes for a walk in the park.

The astonishment derives from this as a consequence of becoming a hologram of the creation. The environment becomes miniaturized within the seeker/finder and so nothing exists except yourself and then of course you RULE OVER YOURSELF as the Creator-Creation of All That Is.

This 'rulership' so is not a Lordship over anything else in existence; but in actuality defines the plan of plans of using a protoverse as a seedling universe for many universes to be born from.
This protoverse is hierarchical in environmental nestings; say your garden graduating to your park, township, city, country, planet, starsystem, galaxy, groupgalaxy, supercluster, universe.

The seekers/finders so become inaugurated as such multiversal seeds of the archetyped protoverse defining the Creation-Seed before the thing (Physical Godhood) is found by the seeker.

AA

[Lionhawk]

Greetings.

When I first posted up on this thread, I had no idea that this thread had bothered many here. But apparently I wasn't the only one where those flags went up. Now I have stated that Abrax here as done an amazing and blazing amount of work that is way impressive. I'm not taking that away from him. I wish there were more people who would write their own original work with some substance than a lot of the dodo that get's copied and pasted up. I am more interested in experiences from those I know instead of someone I don't know. All I ask is that you do it with integrity. Otherwise, I can just turn on the TV and get some manurey type story, saving your time and mine.

You know..............you can't help but see some of the responses with your name on it. And for the sake of the Mods, and to be as respectful as I can be, what I will say is that some of those responses are only from lack of awareness and or experiences. If we all had the same experiences and the same awareness, there would be nothing to give us a separate character. What remains here is that I am who I am and you are who you are. Some of us have been warriors. Some have not. It all depends on what stations you chose for soul growth. You also can tell who is a warrior and who is not. I am not the only warrior here. Then again, I also know my way out of a barn. I could say that not only am I hacking at evil but I would rather not be hacking at the manure being pooped out by someone who had a hussy fit and left and only came back when I left. Now that I have returned, hacking at evil, as I was accused of, I find the same cow pooping again. Hilarious really. Also just a distraction from what is really going on here.

Now to walk in a Dragon's Den is a little different than a barn. At least in a barn you know that manure management is usually in the stalls. But in a Dragon's den your guess is as good as mine. And mind you Abrax that this analogy that came from someone's conscience and not mine.

Someone also tried the group lynch mob scenario technique as to imply we all felt the same way about this thread. I have only one question for that person. How many barbecues have you been too? I think everyone has their own feelings here. Everyone should be able to express what that is. You don't have to like it. But it should be respected as long as it is tactfully done. I say that because what I have seen demonstrated took courage to do and it was done straight up. Even if I don't agree with what was expressed or even if I do, is not the point here. Someone showed a lot of true grit and character by voicing what was bothering this person and this person was at least honest about that. I can work with that any day of the week as compared to others doing the back stabbing or pooping in your way. At least I know where I stand in either case. That showed heart to do that.

Now back to the issues at hand. I asked what needed to be asked. At least the question that no one else here did ask. They at least now know the chicken is out of the bag and someone did ask the question. The question that they never did want you to ask. Think on that.

Here's another deal for you. You know why some or a lot of this doesn't make sense for you? Because it is from their paradigm and not yours. It's almost like going to China and not knowing the language, the customs and traditions, and here you are trying to bridge all that with some Chinese person who doesn't speak good English. Same analogy but the same kind of results. All these different Arch types are also vying for position in the now. What I now have determine is that one shoe doesn't fit all. And most of them are trying to define you in their shoe box. When you are not in their shoe box to begin with. That is also why my valid questions that I posed were not answered. Also as to why the question of AKA was so far off the mark with the answer that was presented. Why, because he doesn't know who I am and doesn't have access to that by using the channels that are available to him. There must be a reason.

So what is it going to be? Ascension or Dragonhood? And why would anyone in their right mind choose to go from an Oxygen based life form to a Hydrogen based life form? Why move into a lower density element? Why deny yourself the process of creation that the Creator had already intended for you in the first place? To compromise that process by being exposed to a belief system that will not be sustainable within the future of this Universe? You think the grass is greener over there? These same beings who were banished here and you are going to go kiss their butts after all they have done to our human soul family. And the innuendo that I am coming from a hateful mind. What? I got to say that again. What? Excuse me! I came here to this thread to establish a truce and an answer to all parties involved. I didn't come here to start a war. I am trying to avoid one. While Abrax is here dazzling you with his brilliance, maneuvers are taking place right now, right under your noses, and someone wants to make stupid comments about how disturb he is by me showing back up. What? That doesn't even compare to what is being played behind the scenes and if you think researching it on line, makes you a complete researcher, we are all going to be doomed with that kind of mind set. I also don't care what anyone thinks of me. I didn't come here to be popular. I'm not running for office. I don't take my orders from anyone on this Planet. I am here as many of you are to assist in the ascension of Gaia. That is my agenda.

I am also sorry that the many who are trying to learn think everybody is doing the same thing they are doing. You always learn but some of us have graduated and that is hard for most to understand or even accept. They think we should be like them staying in school. For some of us school is like over with and you have to go finally walk the walk instead of talking the talk. Experience is getting out of that chair and putting what you know in some form of action. If you stay in the chair to long, you will be conditioned to just reacting. Kind of like sitting in front of a theater screen watching a movie.

Another thing I want to point out is that it would seem we are the prize. All the agendas I have seen point to that. So it is my position at this time to see where this Dragon goes as if you know the basics, an agenda is at work here. By what numbers I have seen, he has a tough job ahead as far as the recruitment process. The number ratios indicate that. And I am a supporter of free speech and no rules as none are needed when things are approached with honor and respect for others.

Alex Collier mentions a new place of knowing. Establish one. You want to do it in this thread, then you might want to ask for the credentials first. Which was skipped in my mind. So don't go blaming other people for your feelings when you didn't take any responsibility to ask those basic questions in the first place. If you can't get verification from this council and at least have an introductory meeting to establish your Dragonhood club, then consider what you haven't been considering.

My apologies Dragon. You left me not much of a choice here, but I understand why. I bid you another great day and I hope there are no feathers in your chicken dinner. (Innuendo) that was the name of the chicken. And I guess all of my questions have been answered by not what was answered.

Lionhawk leaves the den.

[gscraig]

I think this is all a parade, and some may be enticed to call me "rain" after reading this post. Correction, I know it is a parade indeed…..

When this thread was first posted, I took issue immediately because it reminded me of others such as Hidden Hand. However, we all have the right of expressing in whatever way we choose, but I believe we all are missing what should be seen here. I've tried things like this before, but sometimes you can't show people what they choose not to see.

All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

Why?

Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions? By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence.

Most of you viewing this thread, will not feel or be any closer to any answer or understanding in general, after reading and asking questions on this thread. What’s does that tell you? *Distraction would be a good start.

Ultimately, if there is a grand message to be delivered to humanity, it will simply be delivered, and not become a Q&A session through posters on a forum whom you cannot see or hear.
This also applies to the Hidden Hand material. First HH told everyone what the rules would be before they proceeded. Unfortunately, many blindly “obeyed”. Secondly, HH stated that they were allowed to communicate (per the royal bloodlines/illumined elders, etc) information to us. We should have then immediately allowed HH to communicate the information. Period. Instead of being told and then agreeing through cooperation to the premise of “I can only tell you what you ask me”. Again, the answer can be what they want you to receive, but it could never be the truth from A-Z or the centuries old Illuminati gig would be up. Get it?

So,…Why allow these messengers the time? Distractions indeed.
Please step out of this gullible and slave mindset, and understand that if there is to truly be a pure messenger for the better good of all of humanity, it will not be in such a fragmented format and from individuals whom you don’t know, and can’t confirm. To be honest, it could be someone whom is simply VERY informed on what they believe and studied, therefore being able to hold a Q&A with you. However, again, we have to pause and notice that it is in actuality -WHAT THEY BELIEVE- (or what they want YOU to believe). We all know what that means very well, don’t we?...Another belief system is born and amongst us to ponder. Please......Do not participate with anything that upholds conflicting and confusing information/messages or agendas. For it will simply cause you to pause and miss what you should really be paying attention to.

I shared this in a post a while back, which I think applies here as well...

It is now as if the ET's aren't intelligent enough to realize that they are bombarding us with too many messages through different vessels and ambassadors which is making the message untrustworhy, mundane and negligent. I don't think they’re that dumb or desperate to demonstrate such a level of disorganization and flawed contemplation.

Do you really think they are staying out of sight for centuries to not impede on our free will, but yet hit us with message and messenger after message and messenger? Please, enough with this hoax and those whom are acquaintances of such efforts. Yes, as I’ve said this before, there are some whom job is to support such nonsense to give it life and credibility on these forums. You have to really look to know what’s going on.

Stop letting outsiders hold court in your kingdoms.

We all choose our paths to focus our intent, but I would like to strongly encourage you to null and void these sporadic "approved messengers and messages" that just so happens to be sprouting up now, oppose to years ago when it would have allowed humanity the time to digest and evolve from messages intended to provoke the greatest good for all.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by gscraig

Stop letting outsiders hold court in your kingdoms.

*smiles as the light grows bright *

Oh thank You...my feelings are so hard sometimes to translate to words...i am humbled and honored to share this world with people like you gscraig...thank You


*celine points to the quoted comment and says to Anchor...that is why*

[Myplanet2]

Referencing some of the side discussion, and without meaning to hold this thread off topic, there are some underlying energetic plays working themselves out here and pretty much everywhere that people doing something towards aiding themselves and others in this shift are interacting to compare notes.

I don't know of a single truthful individual who would say they weren't having a struggle to integrate the changes they are co-creating.

The illusory interface between us has been dissolving. We used to have a much easier time hiding differences than we do now. We each create our own reality, and when we agree with one another, (by frequency matching) we form collectives where co-action and co-creation occur, exactly as planned.

But many of our "agreements" are now under review, because we can no longer really use the mental trick of cognitive dissonance to blend the perceived but overlooked differences. We are being required to move towards personal honesty and integrity, and we set it up that way. The illusions are dissolving and we are why that is happening.

A big example of this phenomenon on this forum is in the differences between those who have recognized the "internal" nature of all struggles, and those who still try to hold them "outside" of themselves. Those who've done their work, (as opposed to those who think they have) can clearly trace every perceived external struggle, contest, conflict, flare up, etc, to a personal internal issue, as it's total source. You can not even perceive let alone fully experience what you are not the vibration of. You see a battle in heaven going on? Right now and right here? Well then you have your own battle integrating your selected "sides" back into a harmonious whole, at the level of your own divine self.

If you are off chasing old demons, as though they are some external beasts which have an agenda of their own which can be in opposition to your own self and your own wishes, then you have simply not recognized how cleverly you have avoided bringing your process home to where it belongs. Every such struggle is only, and can only ever be within you. What messes you up in your attempt to rectify this, is that the law of attraction actually works. If you have failed to calm your internal struggles, they will manifest, because that is the loudest "order to the universe" that you are broadcasting.

The illusions we created, with lots of help and co-operation, have been nearly complete in their apparent authenticity. We did a good job of tricking ourselves into believing these constructions were real. What's real is you and I. That's all. You and I are real, the rest is illusion.

The illusion is now dissolving. The veil is dissolving, and we are left here with the illusory mechanisms chugging away, like the wizard behind the curtain, and we can see through the illusions we placed to enable blending of differing points of view and perspectives.

Think of it this way. Let's say these illusions and their supporting mechanisms were analogous to "manners" and "etiquette" in our social interactions. The manners and etiquette Grease the wheels of our interactions, and permit us to forego the brutal honesty which would otherwise be sitting right there. We say "don't you look good today" while thinking "cake has been very good to you". Or whatever. You know what I mean. Manners smooth social interaction so we can pretend what's really going on behind the scenes, isn't.

Well to continue the analogy, let's say people could suddenly no longer ignore the true intentions and feelings of people using "manners". What would that be like? The grease would no longer smooth the way, and social interactions would become strained.

In a broader sense, this is what is happening in our broader co-inhabited/co-created environment. We've been able to blend the differences between our varying perspectives and viewpoints and orientations and chosen styles of play, into a homogenized illusory mix which was satisfying.

Now it's more like "hey...you're wrong about that. That's not the way it is at all. You're full of it." "You're dropping cow poop, while my magnificent self wields this gleaming sword of righteousness!"

The thing of it is, that every one of us has been creating our own illusions as the cloak of our game piece in this grand play we've been engaged in. Now, we've collectively decided that this game was lots of fun, but is pretty much in the 'been there...done that' box. So we decided to ease ourselves out of it and create a new one. But as the veil disappears, all or our formerly homogenized realities, are no longer blended and we're being forced, by our own decisions and actions, to drop the illusions and wake up to who we truly are.

The polarity in play is internal/external. One is the way of return to self determination as a creator, they other is to fully embrace the victim consciousness, and finally go for the all out battle to end all battles, or whatever name it's being called these days. You either see that it's your creation, or you see some agency outside of yourself is doing the creating, and you are part of the creation and were at some point created. This one is a tough one, because it traces all the way up the line. ALL the way up the line. Which is why it'll be the last one resolved, if it even is in this round of play. It could be that this is the source of the split in timelines many have noticed recently. It could be that some number wish to continue with the illusion that "outside" can impact "inside", and those of us who are truly moving on, will simply create a new playpen somewhere else, and at a different frequency range, where the polarities are not a factor as dissonant or disharmonious elements in the game.

So the observant can see a couple of fairly broad groups which on the surface appear opposed, but in reality are simply approaching their play from opposite ends of the spectrum. We created this place for contrast. And we have full choice and freedom to place ourselves anywhere within that contrast. Those of us who are fulfilled and satisfied with our experiences in contrast, are moving out of them, which necessarily involves recognizing our part in the creation of the play in the first part. If some choose to dally, that is their choice to make. No one can judge another for their choices. Because that is just judgement of ourself for when we made the same choice and weren't particularly happy with the outcome.

The major difference is in whether one has recognized them self as the creator of their reality, or whether they choose to hold onto the "been done to and going to continue to be done to" attitude of the victim.

The loudest voices advocating battling the forces of evil, are actually the terrified little children who've been handed their heads to them once too often in this "OH SO SERIOUS" game of contrast in polarity.

As to Thuban? I don't know yet. I've confirmed the existence of Thuban with my higher guides. But so far don't know how this all lines up. I get mixed signals, personally. Those I have contact with, which I'm satisfied are here for my highest good, repeat often that no being from their level of existence will come and tell us how it's going to be. They uniformly and without exception, maintain our sovereign right to choose without limitations imposed from without, with the only governor being we must also respect the choices of all others. So I don't personally allow that any group is going to come in and give or grant us anything. They can come and participate with us as long as they respect us as equals. otherwise... there's the door, thank you very much.

I see higher truths shining through the Thuban material, but it's just so seemingly difficult to contact. As though it's truly foreign or alien. But that doesn't make it good or bad, right or wrong, or any other polarized thing. It just means it's new here. So I won't judge, unless or until my personal criteria are violated. Which is free choice for us, without limit.

I have personal recent experience with true "Dragon" Consciousness, and things have changed from the days of old. I came upon it quite circuitously, and prior to Thuban's arrival on this forum. I suggest setting aside judgement based on old and dried up archetypes of Dragons as enslaving lizards with an imperialist bent. Much has changed. Where it reminds some of how it used to be, it is simply remembrance mixed with projection.

We are free to move forward by our own choice. outside interference is not a factor. We have the eyes of all of existence on us right now. Any major power plays and interference is coming from our midst. It's not coming from without. That's a projection from that place of victimhood. Humans are the ones trying to steer the outcome this way or that. The ET's who are involved here, are all in some way related to us consciously/genetically and are permitted to work their own agenda's as we are part of them or they are part of us or however you want to look at it. Soul level agreements govern their interactions with us. And we will more fully see that as the veil dissolves the rest of the way, over the next while. The process is being driven along at an often uncomfortable pace, because certain clearings must have taken place amongst a certain balancing proportion of the beings incarnated here on earth. We ourselves provided for friends who would not be drawing a veil of forgetfulness around themselves, to come here at this time to act as alarm clock and gently shake us out of our illusory slumber. We asked them to do this service, because we knew we wouldn't remember. So here they are, channeling through those who arranged to carry out that function in prior agreements, with news of the arrival of the time we preset for our wake up call, and reminders of who we are apart from the illusory cling-ons of artifacts from our 3D playing.

If you believe there is a huge all important battle taking place, great. Have fun with that. The outcome is the same, no matter what path you select in your personal journey. But if you don't think there is any big battle going on, then for you there isn't. Just don't buy into the propaganda that you're in grave danger if you ignore their game. That's just B.S. THEY are in danger if THEY ignore it, because that is the game they are playing. But we all have choice now, and You can simply choose a peaceful, lovely, calm, embracing ascension into your next selected realm of existence for your primary seat of consciousness, and the noise from this distant battle will be like a nearly remembered dream.

[abraxasinas]

An excellent summary of the present planetary (and universal) situation experienced by the cosmic consciousness myplanet2.
Thanks for this reply and I shall colour in your fully integrated description in due time.

Also allow me to thank you for your publicity in regards to the reality of the Thuban sources.

Abraxas

[gscraig]

My Planet2,

If I may?....
In a straight forward way, I sometimes will choose to share my opinion on topics that reminds of "me" of clutter at a time when clarity is desired by all. It is up to you to agree or disagree. Nothing more or less.
Sometimes building a community will require the difficulty of discarding tools that does not erect a new foundation. Even when the tool feels comfortable in the hands.


Okay, so let's say we continue on and obviously by our choosing, await the next message and messenger. This time it is the Coral Reef Group from the 8th dimension thread, and then the next message and Q&A is the channeler for the Federation of Enoch thread, and then the next is the Brotherhood of the Blue Galaxies thread. When it's all done and said, you will be close to where you are right now. That makes us stagnant with a huge amount of information to ponder, but yet that does not equate to creating or co-creating a new anything, yet alone a new paradigm. We have religions that have successfully done this for us and to us already. I will have to pass, and simply suggesting to others to evaluate and assess if they should do the same. Of course, each has the right to simply conclude that I'm some lost ill-mannered soul who is judgemental and fostering a lack of contrasts for comparable note taking.


Now, again this is gscraig's opinion, but we all contribute what we can if we think it will assist in "moving us forward". Does this thread move you and everyone forward? Just some of us? For how long? Why just some of us?

My point is that if it does not move you forward (all of us meaning humanity) Then what is its true value?

We can't co-create a new paradigm when we are being influenced and sometimes trapped by elements of the old.

[GaiaLove]

Originally Posted by gscraig

All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

Why?

Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions? By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence .

abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by GaiaLove

abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?

we kept noticing many of you,
keep making comments about some of us,
typing in 'cryptic' form

first there are 7 aspects of communication
of which, the written word, is only visiable to the naked eye
so, the written word ~ isn't even one of those aspects

1) light of eXKa(33)vier(27) = 33 + 27 = 60
2) sound of eXKa
3) tone of eXKa
4) frequency of eXKa
5) vibration of eXKa
6) masculine of eXKa
7) feminine of eXKa

and, then 8) the infinite loop of the blending of all 7 aspects
thru the divine masculine/and, divine feminine of all of them
so it eXpressed, as, a unified; and; united force of all of it

we call this - eXKavier

any comments 'a' - on this eXKavier stuff is,
that we have ?

the 9th aspect of it - is the choice, to take words
and, to do a few things with them
ie; read things of importance - 3 times - so; you can discern it,
does it sink in, or NOT ~ it is always a lot more, than, what can be said

hmmm-60
if you know anything about flying
(in a plane) or, under your own powers
there is a rule you use
called the 1/60 rule
the nullification of an item that is mixed
with 60 times its volume of another item
for example a dream is 1/60 of death
or a dream is 1/60 prohecy
or fire is 1/60 of hell
or honey is 1/60 of manna
or shabbat is 1/60 of the world to come
a poster is 1/60 of the full exchange
a person who visits the ill takes away 1/60 of the illness
even in organic foods, for an eXample you can have
1/60th in it, that is NOT organic
so, anything that eXists, but, is NOT quite there,
like the bud / or flower of a flower/or fruit
so, that might be termed "one sixtieth."
eXKavier is 60 - so, it holds the all in the all

so much information you are eXposed to, isn't going to do
all the learning for you - you must put your 59/60th's into it

this is much like being eXposed to information

you will likely 1/60th of it, in the first read thru it

read it; 60 times, you are likely to get the all in all of it

the 'real' world is the world of 'will' (17) thru 'eternity" (44)

viviane (37 ) seraf'ina (37) = 74

(there is also the solar grandmother-will get that onto another post)

6 x 10 = 60 33/27 = 60

eXKavier - what are these keys,
we've brought thru in that name exka(33)vier(27) = 33+27=60
NOT yet revealed to this world ?

(we will add to this post = 33) and, also (we will add to this post = 27)

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by GaiaLove

abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?

Post 1211 indirectly refers - I already mentioned the freewill maxim - abraxasinas concurred.

[beren]

People you all have a brain inside your skull.
Use it.

Think logically for a second now, everything surrounding us has a reason why it exist,move,dance,breathe,live.

There are forces unseen and laws unseen but mathematically present and very alive,people know that.

So use logic now and bare with me;

Creator has created us .
He loves us and always helps us on our path .
He does not do that by force, he`s offering help by motivation of love towards his creation.

When he speaks to his children he speaks that his children can understand on every level.

Emissary of the Dragon here, or the Dragon himself are constantly quoting Jesus Christ. They go further and even claim that actually Jesus was and is a higher "Dragon", and that Lucifer is his friend .

Further when they explain their stuff here it is extremely confusing and occasionally non aligning with itself.
You find your self reading Abraxinas post and at the end or in the middle of exhausting post you find a small sentence which null files text above,nevertheless he continues further.

I ask you did Jesus Christ spoke like that?
Did he hide truth from his disciples and whom ever wanted with honest heart?
Did he aimed to amaze people with hard -to-know phrases and words?


Pharisee`s did that.
Scribes did that.

How did he named them?

Den of VIPERS.


No matter how hard you try Dragon apprentice, you can`t hide the fact that you lie with cold blood.

You write rants here ,elaborate with confusing data, and bluntly overturn clear words from Bible.
No wonder why sooo many people today don`t trust Bible any more. It is because of your kind, twisters of God`s own word, deceivers of worst kind, trappers of souls.

Nevertheless word of God will judge you;

Revelation 22

18.I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19.And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this

[ellie]

Your a courageous, wonderful, good soul Beren. You stand up for what you know is right and are trying to show the light to the good people here.

I must admit I get very darn confused with Abrax answers especially when he quotes Jesus and the bible in his answers and then throws lucifer in for good measure, that makes my head spin, knowing what I know of the good book, Jesus, lucifer and so on.

When Abrax said that Jesus was a master templar that spun me out, if anything I thought he would have maybe been part of the Essene group.

Someone wrote on this thread that Abrax does play to people's ego who support him and I have read and know this is true.

Your spirit which is not encumbered by 3D has the answers to all knowledge so I suggest you go within and seek answers to this information given there.