The NWO, ETs, the economy, and Obama

[munkey]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

I'm not scared of a One World Government. How do you think the ETs made it this far? By fighting amongst themselves? No. They cooperated with each other to establish their planets' social structures and ideals.

Allow me to play Devils advocate here.

What proof is there that ET's have any form of goverment?
the GFOL who forgot to show? the greys who are apparently slaves of the whites?
let us look at what could happen with a one world goverment.
the goverment believes the population is too big, so now we have to limit the number of children we have, not only limit the number of children, but we will only allow people to have children who don't have certain hereditary diseases so as not to be a burden and help keep a healthy human population free of disease.

a one world goverment is a dictatorship where the people are not free eventhough they believe in the illusion of freedom.
how do we vote for his one world goverment, because as long as one man rules over another he will always have the feeling of superiority.
Honestly, you would end up with a slave master scenario no matter how hard you try.

rid the world of all goverments and let people help each other as humans with compassion and not feel as though we need to be ruled by anyone.

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by munkey

Allow me to play Devils advocate here.

What proof is there that ET's have any form of goverment?
the GFOL who forgot to show? the greys who are apparently slaves of the whites?
let us look at what could happen with a one world goverment.
the goverment believes the population is too big, so now we have to limit the number of children we have, not only limit the number of children, but we will only allow people to have children who don't have certain hereditary diseases so as not to be a burden and help keep a healthy human population free of disease.

a one world goverment is a dictatorship where the people are not free eventhough they believe in the illusion of freedom.
how do we vote for his one world goverment, because as long as one man rules over another he will always have the feeling of superiority.
Honestly, you would end up with a slave master scenario no matter how hard you try.

rid the world of all goverments and let people help each other as humans with compassion and not feel as though we need to be ruled by anyone.

As far as ET civilizations having a "government", I'd say the proof is in the pudding. They are still alive, and can utilize technology far in advance of anything we have on Earth. They must be governing themselves fairly well in order to use such powerful tools without destroying each other, which is an understanding we as earthlings must grasp in order to evolve beyond our current situation.

There are lots of variables changing all the time. Indeed, they are changing faster all the time.

My contention is that a one world government need not be a dictatorship at all. It could be a representative democracy (meaning Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich-types get their representative % of seats in Congress) with internationalized social programs so that earthlings' quality of life can steadily improve.

The population expansion has to slow and stop, there is no skirting that issue. If we do not stop multiplying and consuming, we will continue to create a cancer on this planet. There are not enough resources to continue the path we are currently on without widespread calamity, death, crime, and disease.

I think a big part of the coming shift will be growing awareness of the illusion of death. Death is not real. We are spiritual beings living our dreams in a physical world, and this physical body can stop functioning, but we do not die.

Knowing and experiencing this, we will understand the importance of making our physical lives here as excellent as possible. We will teach our children the truth about the magic within themselves, and we will not mourn our planets' population limits, or our personal sacrifices for the well-being of Mother Earth. Indeed, our own quality of life could improve greatly if there were fewer of physical humans. It may instead be "selfish" to limit our population.

Think of it this way: With the right "one world government" and the right global conscious attitude, we could decrease our population (humanely) over the next 100 years to half its current level, and everything needed to sustain life (food, water, shelter, etc) could be free!

The last 100 years the earth's population has increased 7-fold. This is not such a huge leap to reduce it by half over the next 100. Our families have already gotten smaller, because to have a huge family these days is unsustainable.

To have these ideas come to fruition, we will have reached the understanding that unbridled growth and economic expansion forever does not serve us, and it does not make our lives better.

I urge you to try to look upon our elected leaders not as rulers, but as representatives. This has clearly been done poorly lately, but nonetheless it is their job to represent us, not push their own objectives or line the pockets of their friends.

I can imagine Obama as a good representative for the people in my city, state, country, or planet, that's all I mean. It is clear from polling worldwide that he is the favorite of "foreign" peoples. I wish more folks here on Avalon agreed, and were excited by the possibilities he brings. Not just for middle-class families here in the US, but by restoring respect for America around the world.

And he is our best chance for disclosure. The rest of the planet has been waiting for us to lead on this, and Obama offers the prudence and judgment to respectfully and delicately release the biggest news in human history. We know there are factions of the PTB that want to help heal this planet. Perhaps Obama is their guy. McCain certainly is not.

[MAP]

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[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by MAP

obama will NOT get my vote thats for sure
did you know there are other candidates??
click---> http://www.vote-smart.org/election_president.php


for real check em out.. do your home work

oh and do your homework on your mr obama see his voting record then you might change your mind...
and if doesn't then you just really don't understand.. hes the same as mcbush just a different color man..

You totally missed the point of the last post.

Regardless, you can write in Elmer Fudd or Elvis or even Howard Stern. It will not change a thing.

Until we reform our election system to where 3rd parties have a better role, a vote for a third party candidate, while a good way to stand up for your beliefs, does not really matter if that candidate has no room to capture more than 5% of the vote. H.Ross Perot managed to capture a decent amount of votes as a third party candidate. We haven't seen anyone like that since.

We will never in our lifetimes, meet a politician that 100% agrees with us and even if we do, that candidate may not appeal to the majority of Americans. While I prefer a candidate with more left-leaning principles, we often have to settle for politicians that cater to the moderate voters.

I also find it amazing that people fear Obama more than UFOs or the NWO/Illuminati. A bit silly, eh?

[munkey]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

As far as ET civilizations having a "government", I'd say the proof is in the pudding. They are still alive, and can utilize technology far in advance of anything we have on Earth. They must be governing themselves fairly well in order to use such powerful tools without destroying each other, which is an understanding we as earthlings must grasp in order to evolve beyond our current situation.

I would call that speculation rather than fact.
ET's may self govern and live on a higher plane that does not rely on any one governing them, much like an ant colony obides by no rules and exists in harmony

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

My contention is that a one world government need not be a dictatorship at all. It could be a representative democracy (meaning Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich-types get their representative % of seats in Congress) with internationalized social programs so that earthlings' quality of life can steadily improve.

China has a population of 1.3 billion so in a democratic election they win and choose communism.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

The population expansion has to slow and stop, there is no skirting that issue. If we do not stop multiplying and consuming, we will continue to create a cancer on this planet. There are not enough resources to continue the path we are currently on without widespread calamity, death, crime, and disease.

living on a higher plane we would need far less recources so there would be no crime.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

And he is our best chance for disclosure. The rest of the planet has been waiting for us to lead on this, and Obama offers the prudence and judgment to respectfully and delicately release the biggest news in human history. We know there are factions of the PTB that want to help heal this planet. Perhaps Obama is their guy. McCain certainly is not.

Both are puppets and each in there own way will screw you.

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by munkey

I would call that speculation rather than fact.
ET's may self govern and live on a higher plane that does not rely on any one governing them, much like an ant colony obides by no rules and exists in harmony

[snip]

Both are puppets and each in there own way will screw you.

Your last statement is pure speculation as well. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but you seem to think your ideas are NOT pure speculation. The whole original post is clearly speculation, I never meant for it to be anything but my views of the possibilities.

By the way, China is not a communist country. They are capitalist just like we are, and just as the rest of the developed world. The representative democracy I speculated about eliminates the 2-party, 1-winner system.

What would you suggest? We cannot transform our planet overnight. This is not about resources and governments, but about earthlings' attitudes and belief systems. We cannot self-govern now, that much is clear.

No matter who gets elected president, we will still have a ton of problems and a large government. You seem to prefer to look upon it negatively, whereas I insist on seeing the positive possibilities of an Obama presidency.

I will also still insist that he represents the best chance for eventual disclosure. John McCain does not.

To reunite: I really don't care if Obama is Bush 12th cousin. I'm related to English royalty too. Who cares? Perhaps Obama will be another bad president, but I have decided to set aside my paranoia and listened to him speak instead of just assuming he is a bad man just because he has a chance to win.

To MAP: Trust me, I've done my homework. I know the candidates, and I've chosen the one I like the best, based on his ideas for America. I'm quite familiar with his voting record, and that is one reason why I'm excited. We need change.

[PK47]

It doesn't matter whoever u vote for, president is selected by pupet masters.. voting is just a formality or delusion to make sheeple believe they have freedom to choose their president..
Presidential Voting = fraud!

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by PK47

Presidential Voting = fraud!

Not this time. That is one reason I started this thread. They cannot commit fraud if we are overwhelmingly united behind our best hope for new ideas in government.

Obama needs ALL our votes. They cannot steal the election again if all the polls point to a landslide win. To attempt so would be to expose themselves, and there will be too many people (including Obama's legal team) watching too closely to try anything fishy.

If the polls tighten up, there is a good chance that the Diebold effect will come into play, but if we commit to Obama by wide margins, the PTB cannot try to steal this without risking being caught red-handed.

[msv]

UFOs over Philly during Bruce Springsteen/Obama concert

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi5Wmby9dSE

[bodzoyfa]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Not this time. That is one reason I started this thread. They cannot commit fraud if we are overwhelmingly united behind our best hope for new ideas in government.

Obama needs ALL our votes. They cannot steal the election again if all the polls point to a landslide win. To attempt so would be to expose themselves, and there will be too many people (including Obama's legal team) watching too closely to try anything fishy.

If the polls tighten up, there is a good chance that the Diebold effect will come into play, but if we commit to Obama by wide margins, the PTB cannot try to steal this without risking being caught red-handed.

Eli and everyone else,

I personally dont have, and have never had a good feeling about Barack Obama. I also do not identify with your assesment in this quote, but I understand where you are coming from.

There was a very interesting acticle posted on Rense today about Barack that I'll post below linked to the article. Its a bit lengthy but I could not stop reading it once I started. I immediately started watching old videos of BO and applying these theories. Pretty amazing stuff. It reminded me a lot of David Icke's "Problem-Reaction-Solution" theory in that the most dangerous prison (for your mind) to be in is not the one that you can see and feel the bars and walls but the one that you believe yourself to be a free person. Read the article and you will see what I mean.

I'm just sayin...

http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27...s_Speeches.pdf

[msv]

I have come to the conclusion over years of reading Rense, that he is one of the big disinfo people out there. He seems to have no problem with putting every lie anyone out there can come up with about Obama on his site. I have written to him many times sharing with him the errors and lies that are provably wrong, but he has never gotten back to me or taken down the information. He has it in for Obama in a big way and has gone to rotten lengths to try and take him down. Now if anyone says they found info on rense against Obama, I refuse to even concider it. Obviously his disinfo has worked on you. I have a very strong intuition about people and so far it has done me well in life. Obama will be the best president we have ever had..period. I know it.

[Anticomuna]

Originally Posted by msv

I have come to the conclusion over years of reading Rense, that he is one of the big disinfo people out there...

Question the almighty Obama and your life will be destroyed. Joe the Plumber knows it. Anyone that dares to question his socialist policies will be destroyed.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Anticomuna

Question the almighty Obama and your life will be destroyed. Joe the Plumber knows it. Anyone that dares to question his socialist policies will be destroyed.

Yay paranoia!

I fail to see how he "destroyed" the life of a guy who has no plumbing license and refuses to pay taxes. If anything, this "plumber" was a plant from the McCain campaign. All Obama did was answer his questions in a civil manner.

And again, what's with the hatred towards socialism? If you think socialism is a bad thing, what do you call nationalization of our banks by the government?

The United States of America: Socialism for the rich and Capitalism for the poor

[msv]

Joe has a Keating 5 connection.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...eating-family-

[Vianova]

ET's and Obama .... what a cesspool of BS

lol

How many of you remember the prophet Yahweh ..


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1395924.htm

Prophet Yahweh, Seer of Yahweh, Master UFO Caller
says that on October 31, 2008,
superhuman black men, from other planets,
will appear in their spaceships and hover over his UFO Summoning School
for three days as a sign that all Americans
should vote for Obama as President.


Annunaki Nookie

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by bodzoyfa

Eli and everyone else,

I personally dont have, and have never had a good feeling about Barack Obama. I also do not identify with your assesment in this quote, but I understand where you are coming from.

bodzoyfa, which part of my assessment do you "not identify" with? Do you think that "they" will try to steal the election from Obama, even if it looks like a landslide?

Do you think the election is being thrown toward Obama? Please explain. I've been thinking about this stuff all year.

I read the first page of that article on Rense. It's laugh-out-loud funny. Here's a good quote, for those who didn't waste their time clicking:

"Obama is immune to logical arguments like Wright, Ayers, shifting every position, character, and inexperience, because hypnosis affects us on an unconscious and emotional level."

The Wright/Ayers/terrorist/anti-patriot argument is no longer logical. The only way this utterly desperate line of attack makes any "logical" sense is if you have amnesia and you don't remember 6 months ago. This stuff is old news, and it's already been chewed up, swallowed, regurgitated, examined again, swallowed again, and digested by the American people. Everyone already knows he's NOT a terrorist, except maybe Rense and a shrinking number of other Republicans willing to risk gambling their careers on defending McCain's slime tactics and smear campaign.

The above quote and the sentence following it on page 1 show exactly what this person's agenda is. If you want to buy into it, I'll not stop you, but I will remind you that it's old news, and the guy won the primary because he got more votes. He got more votes because rational people don't believe that BS.

You can't tell me some hack hypnotist got 100,000 Americans to assemble yesterday under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis to hear him talk about politics. No, you can't hypnotize 3.1 million people into donating to your campaign, including 600,000 new donors and $150 million dollars in September, half of which came from people who donate less than $100.

The fact is, Obama is trying to help us. You are looking at a real leader who has inspired and empowered people all across the country and the world to give a damn again.

250,000 hypnotized Germans enthusiastically approve this message and encourage you to take your country back.

[Vianova]

I have no doubt that Obama uses subliminal suggestivities
in his approach,
but to extrapolate that to mass hynosis is a bit severe.

All politicians learn to be actors.
Obama is an actor and a comedian.

Obama is excellent at hand movements and facial expressions.
He is also very intelligent.

Now compare him to the opposition.

Not too hard to get anybody's attention shifting to your point of view...
when Quasimodo and Barbie Bumble Doll are the opponents.

[bodzoyfa]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

bodzoyfa, which part of my assessment do you "not identify" with? Do you think that "they" will try to steal the election from Obama, even if it looks like a landslide?

Do you think the election is being thrown toward Obama? Please explain. I've been thinking about this stuff all year.

I read the first page of that article on Rense. It's laugh-out-loud funny. Here's a good quote, for those who didn't waste their time clicking:

"Obama is immune to logical arguments like Wright, Ayers, shifting every position, character, and inexperience, because hypnosis affects us on an unconscious and emotional level."

The Wright/Ayers/terrorist/anti-patriot argument is no longer logical. The only way this utterly desperate line of attack makes any "logical" sense is if you have amnesia and you don't remember 6 months ago. This stuff is old news, and it's already been chewed up, swallowed, regurgitated, examined again, swallowed again, and digested by the American people. Everyone already knows he's NOT a terrorist, except maybe Rense and a shrinking number of other Republicans willing to risk gambling their careers on defending McCain's slime tactics and smear campaign.

The above quote and the sentence following it on page 1 show exactly what this person's agenda is. If you want to buy into it, I'll not stop you, but I will remind you that it's old news, and the guy won the primary because he got more votes. He got more votes because rational people don't believe that BS.

You can't tell me some hack hypnotist got 100,000 Americans to assemble yesterday under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis to hear him talk about politics. No, you can't hypnotize 3.1 million people into donating to your campaign, including 600,000 new donors and $150 million dollars in September, half of which came from people who donate less than $100.

The fact is, Obama is trying to help us. You are looking at a real leader who has inspired and empowered people all across the country and the world to give a damn again.

250,000 hypnotized Germans enthusiastically approve this message and encourage you to take your country back.

Eli,

I understand that the hypnosis thing is an extreme idea right now, but what I dont identify with in your statement is not very extreme I dont feel. When you look at Obama you see real change and a real leader, and thats great that you feel like that. I, on the other hand, see a puppet who represents no real change.

I think its important to remember that just because an idea seems extreme and maybe outside of what one is willing to accept as possible does not make it disinformation. We are all speculating as to how far the rabbit hole goes.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

As far as ET civilizations having a "government", I'd say the proof is in the pudding. They are still alive, and can utilize technology far in advance of anything we have on Earth. They must be governing themselves fairly well in order to use such powerful tools without destroying each other, which is an understanding we as earthlings must grasp in order to evolve beyond our current situation.

I highly doubt that many of these alien civilisations are ruled under the same style government as us. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

When a race is governed it means that they cannot take care of themselves, heirachial systems such as this will never be effective because there are always those who will benifit more then the majority.

We have over 6billion people on this planet. The majority of them are living terrible lives. The proof is in the pudding. And it is not because countries like Africa lack democracy, it is because countries that do have a democracy have robbed them of their natural resources and their ways of life. This again all boils down to greed. And as long as there is greed, governments will not be effective and most certainly will not cater for the good of everyone.

Look at paris hilton, walking around on her 5,000 dollar shoes. Do you really think this is fair? I think its terrible, and the greatest sin of all to have some people like this waited on hand and foot whilst others live such terrible miserable lives. This is what governments do.

The key to true advancement is too empower each and every member of the race, so that all voices are recognised. Until we start teaching our children how to govern themselves we will continue to be locked into this pattern of human civilisations rising and falling as has been the case for many thousands of years.

govern ;

1. To make and administer the public policy and affairs of; exercise sovereign authority in.
2. To control the speed or magnitude of; regulate: a valve that governs fuel intake.
3. To control the actions or behavior of: Govern yourselves like civilized people.
4. To keep under control; restrain: a student who could not govern his impulses.
5. To exercise a deciding or determining influence on: Chance usually governs the outcome of the game.
6. Grammar To require (a specific morphological form) of accompanying words.

So to say that you want a governement is to say that you are not responsible for yourself and your actions. You are handing over your reigns of power to someone who will most often then not abuse it.

I can see where your coming from about Barak Obama. He does seem to be the best out of a bad lot. But you must remember, presidents cant change very much, its quite suprising how far some will turn their cheeks when promised with wealth and safety. And those who do try to effect any positive chang get assasinated. R.I.P John F. Kennedy.

Humanity cannot move foreward under a monetary system.

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

I can see where your coming from about Barak Obama. He does seem to be the best out of a bad lot. But you must remember, presidents cant change very much, its quite suprising how far some will turn their cheeks when promised with wealth and safety. And those who do try to effect any positive chang get assasinated. R.I.P John F. Kennedy.

Humanity cannot move foreward under a monetary system.

Great thoughts, 2IAB.

I do not believe Obama will be assassinated. I believe there are powerful people behind him, and powerful people protecting him. Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps after he's killed many people here will look back and forgive him for not being "perfect".

It seems most people here aim to tear down *any* possibility of things getting better on planet Earth. It's no wonder users are posting their disappointed goodbyes and leaving this place.

To lotusflower: I don't know what to believe. I believe these things because it makes me feel happy. I've done my research on all sides. There is plenty of evidence to help me believe we are winning. I prefer to gather these ideas and take them as my own.

Love wins.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by munkey

rid the world of all goverments and let people help each other as humans with compassion and not feel as though we need to be ruled by anyone.

Wiretapping, false flag operations, non-stop money printing, lies, and more lies... Enough is enough.