The NWO, ETs, the economy, and Obama

[munkey]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

As far as ET civilizations having a "government", I'd say the proof is in the pudding. They are still alive, and can utilize technology far in advance of anything we have on Earth. They must be governing themselves fairly well in order to use such powerful tools without destroying each other, which is an understanding we as earthlings must grasp in order to evolve beyond our current situation.

I would call that speculation rather than fact.
ET's may self govern and live on a higher plane that does not rely on any one governing them, much like an ant colony obides by no rules and exists in harmony

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

My contention is that a one world government need not be a dictatorship at all. It could be a representative democracy (meaning Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich-types get their representative % of seats in Congress) with internationalized social programs so that earthlings' quality of life can steadily improve.

China has a population of 1.3 billion so in a democratic election they win and choose communism.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

The population expansion has to slow and stop, there is no skirting that issue. If we do not stop multiplying and consuming, we will continue to create a cancer on this planet. There are not enough resources to continue the path we are currently on without widespread calamity, death, crime, and disease.

living on a higher plane we would need far less recources so there would be no crime.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

And he is our best chance for disclosure. The rest of the planet has been waiting for us to lead on this, and Obama offers the prudence and judgment to respectfully and delicately release the biggest news in human history. We know there are factions of the PTB that want to help heal this planet. Perhaps Obama is their guy. McCain certainly is not.

Both are puppets and each in there own way will screw you.

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by munkey

I would call that speculation rather than fact.
ET's may self govern and live on a higher plane that does not rely on any one governing them, much like an ant colony obides by no rules and exists in harmony

[snip]

Both are puppets and each in there own way will screw you.

Your last statement is pure speculation as well. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but you seem to think your ideas are NOT pure speculation. The whole original post is clearly speculation, I never meant for it to be anything but my views of the possibilities.

By the way, China is not a communist country. They are capitalist just like we are, and just as the rest of the developed world. The representative democracy I speculated about eliminates the 2-party, 1-winner system.

What would you suggest? We cannot transform our planet overnight. This is not about resources and governments, but about earthlings' attitudes and belief systems. We cannot self-govern now, that much is clear.

No matter who gets elected president, we will still have a ton of problems and a large government. You seem to prefer to look upon it negatively, whereas I insist on seeing the positive possibilities of an Obama presidency.

I will also still insist that he represents the best chance for eventual disclosure. John McCain does not.

To reunite: I really don't care if Obama is Bush 12th cousin. I'm related to English royalty too. Who cares? Perhaps Obama will be another bad president, but I have decided to set aside my paranoia and listened to him speak instead of just assuming he is a bad man just because he has a chance to win.

To MAP: Trust me, I've done my homework. I know the candidates, and I've chosen the one I like the best, based on his ideas for America. I'm quite familiar with his voting record, and that is one reason why I'm excited. We need change.

[PK47]

It doesn't matter whoever u vote for, president is selected by pupet masters.. voting is just a formality or delusion to make sheeple believe they have freedom to choose their president..
Presidential Voting = fraud!

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by PK47

Presidential Voting = fraud!

Not this time. That is one reason I started this thread. They cannot commit fraud if we are overwhelmingly united behind our best hope for new ideas in government.

Obama needs ALL our votes. They cannot steal the election again if all the polls point to a landslide win. To attempt so would be to expose themselves, and there will be too many people (including Obama's legal team) watching too closely to try anything fishy.

If the polls tighten up, there is a good chance that the Diebold effect will come into play, but if we commit to Obama by wide margins, the PTB cannot try to steal this without risking being caught red-handed.

[msv]

UFOs over Philly during Bruce Springsteen/Obama concert

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi5Wmby9dSE

[bodzoyfa]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Not this time. That is one reason I started this thread. They cannot commit fraud if we are overwhelmingly united behind our best hope for new ideas in government.

Obama needs ALL our votes. They cannot steal the election again if all the polls point to a landslide win. To attempt so would be to expose themselves, and there will be too many people (including Obama's legal team) watching too closely to try anything fishy.

If the polls tighten up, there is a good chance that the Diebold effect will come into play, but if we commit to Obama by wide margins, the PTB cannot try to steal this without risking being caught red-handed.

Eli and everyone else,

I personally dont have, and have never had a good feeling about Barack Obama. I also do not identify with your assesment in this quote, but I understand where you are coming from.

There was a very interesting acticle posted on Rense today about Barack that I'll post below linked to the article. Its a bit lengthy but I could not stop reading it once I started. I immediately started watching old videos of BO and applying these theories. Pretty amazing stuff. It reminded me a lot of David Icke's "Problem-Reaction-Solution" theory in that the most dangerous prison (for your mind) to be in is not the one that you can see and feel the bars and walls but the one that you believe yourself to be a free person. Read the article and you will see what I mean.

I'm just sayin...

http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27...s_Speeches.pdf

[msv]

I have come to the conclusion over years of reading Rense, that he is one of the big disinfo people out there. He seems to have no problem with putting every lie anyone out there can come up with about Obama on his site. I have written to him many times sharing with him the errors and lies that are provably wrong, but he has never gotten back to me or taken down the information. He has it in for Obama in a big way and has gone to rotten lengths to try and take him down. Now if anyone says they found info on rense against Obama, I refuse to even concider it. Obviously his disinfo has worked on you. I have a very strong intuition about people and so far it has done me well in life. Obama will be the best president we have ever had..period. I know it.

[Anticomuna]

Originally Posted by msv

I have come to the conclusion over years of reading Rense, that he is one of the big disinfo people out there...

Question the almighty Obama and your life will be destroyed. Joe the Plumber knows it. Anyone that dares to question his socialist policies will be destroyed.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Anticomuna

Question the almighty Obama and your life will be destroyed. Joe the Plumber knows it. Anyone that dares to question his socialist policies will be destroyed.

Yay paranoia!

I fail to see how he "destroyed" the life of a guy who has no plumbing license and refuses to pay taxes. If anything, this "plumber" was a plant from the McCain campaign. All Obama did was answer his questions in a civil manner.

And again, what's with the hatred towards socialism? If you think socialism is a bad thing, what do you call nationalization of our banks by the government?

The United States of America: Socialism for the rich and Capitalism for the poor

[msv]

Joe has a Keating 5 connection.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...eating-family-

[Vianova]

ET's and Obama .... what a cesspool of BS

lol

How many of you remember the prophet Yahweh ..


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1395924.htm

Prophet Yahweh, Seer of Yahweh, Master UFO Caller
says that on October 31, 2008,
superhuman black men, from other planets,
will appear in their spaceships and hover over his UFO Summoning School
for three days as a sign that all Americans
should vote for Obama as President.


Annunaki Nookie

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by bodzoyfa

Eli and everyone else,

I personally dont have, and have never had a good feeling about Barack Obama. I also do not identify with your assesment in this quote, but I understand where you are coming from.

bodzoyfa, which part of my assessment do you "not identify" with? Do you think that "they" will try to steal the election from Obama, even if it looks like a landslide?

Do you think the election is being thrown toward Obama? Please explain. I've been thinking about this stuff all year.

I read the first page of that article on Rense. It's laugh-out-loud funny. Here's a good quote, for those who didn't waste their time clicking:

"Obama is immune to logical arguments like Wright, Ayers, shifting every position, character, and inexperience, because hypnosis affects us on an unconscious and emotional level."

The Wright/Ayers/terrorist/anti-patriot argument is no longer logical. The only way this utterly desperate line of attack makes any "logical" sense is if you have amnesia and you don't remember 6 months ago. This stuff is old news, and it's already been chewed up, swallowed, regurgitated, examined again, swallowed again, and digested by the American people. Everyone already knows he's NOT a terrorist, except maybe Rense and a shrinking number of other Republicans willing to risk gambling their careers on defending McCain's slime tactics and smear campaign.

The above quote and the sentence following it on page 1 show exactly what this person's agenda is. If you want to buy into it, I'll not stop you, but I will remind you that it's old news, and the guy won the primary because he got more votes. He got more votes because rational people don't believe that BS.

You can't tell me some hack hypnotist got 100,000 Americans to assemble yesterday under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis to hear him talk about politics. No, you can't hypnotize 3.1 million people into donating to your campaign, including 600,000 new donors and $150 million dollars in September, half of which came from people who donate less than $100.

The fact is, Obama is trying to help us. You are looking at a real leader who has inspired and empowered people all across the country and the world to give a damn again.

250,000 hypnotized Germans enthusiastically approve this message and encourage you to take your country back.

[Vianova]

I have no doubt that Obama uses subliminal suggestivities
in his approach,
but to extrapolate that to mass hynosis is a bit severe.

All politicians learn to be actors.
Obama is an actor and a comedian.

Obama is excellent at hand movements and facial expressions.
He is also very intelligent.

Now compare him to the opposition.

Not too hard to get anybody's attention shifting to your point of view...
when Quasimodo and Barbie Bumble Doll are the opponents.

[bodzoyfa]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

bodzoyfa, which part of my assessment do you "not identify" with? Do you think that "they" will try to steal the election from Obama, even if it looks like a landslide?

Do you think the election is being thrown toward Obama? Please explain. I've been thinking about this stuff all year.

I read the first page of that article on Rense. It's laugh-out-loud funny. Here's a good quote, for those who didn't waste their time clicking:

"Obama is immune to logical arguments like Wright, Ayers, shifting every position, character, and inexperience, because hypnosis affects us on an unconscious and emotional level."

The Wright/Ayers/terrorist/anti-patriot argument is no longer logical. The only way this utterly desperate line of attack makes any "logical" sense is if you have amnesia and you don't remember 6 months ago. This stuff is old news, and it's already been chewed up, swallowed, regurgitated, examined again, swallowed again, and digested by the American people. Everyone already knows he's NOT a terrorist, except maybe Rense and a shrinking number of other Republicans willing to risk gambling their careers on defending McCain's slime tactics and smear campaign.

The above quote and the sentence following it on page 1 show exactly what this person's agenda is. If you want to buy into it, I'll not stop you, but I will remind you that it's old news, and the guy won the primary because he got more votes. He got more votes because rational people don't believe that BS.

You can't tell me some hack hypnotist got 100,000 Americans to assemble yesterday under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis to hear him talk about politics. No, you can't hypnotize 3.1 million people into donating to your campaign, including 600,000 new donors and $150 million dollars in September, half of which came from people who donate less than $100.

The fact is, Obama is trying to help us. You are looking at a real leader who has inspired and empowered people all across the country and the world to give a damn again.

250,000 hypnotized Germans enthusiastically approve this message and encourage you to take your country back.

Eli,

I understand that the hypnosis thing is an extreme idea right now, but what I dont identify with in your statement is not very extreme I dont feel. When you look at Obama you see real change and a real leader, and thats great that you feel like that. I, on the other hand, see a puppet who represents no real change.

I think its important to remember that just because an idea seems extreme and maybe outside of what one is willing to accept as possible does not make it disinformation. We are all speculating as to how far the rabbit hole goes.