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saw this thread on omf:
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/i...ad=3254&page=1 Is anyone on here technical. could we do something similar? Please pay particular attention to posts form the user infotech. Very helpful. I have posed 2of his posts below: With the final conversion to HDTV, frequencies will be available for wireless data which have incredible range and speed. Some of these frequencies will be reserved for public access though the media and government will not be reporting on this or educating the public. It is possible for us to build our own "private internet" using these frequencies, combinations of other communications technology both old and new and the technical input, hardware and locations of our community. We should gather a working group of OM members who have expertise in the following areas for the purpose of researching these technologies and developing a plan for implementing our own private networks: Ham radio, VHF, UHF, FM transmission and hardware electronics (circuit fabrication, bending, hacking and design) Cryptology BBS Servers, software & operations Cellular telephony and data Satellite communications and hardware Antenna Fabrication and installation From what I've read the contingency plans involve media black out and temporary disruption of internet service. The quickest and easiest way to disrupt the internet would be to null route the DNS root servers. They could then leave the internet up and running for "authorized" traffic with access to backup root servers pre configured for .gov and .mil IP ranges only. This leaves us with a few easy emergency options: 1. Write scripts for distribution which spoof a .mil or .gov IP and hostname (probably a bad idea unless you're very mobile and good at hiding your location) 2. Set up our own private root servers and create scripts for OM members to be able to access them (might work but ISP's may block the connections). 3. Set up an old school BBS and distribute instructions and software to OM members (my vote for free and easy) For you kids, BBS (computer Bulletin Board System) was the grandaddy internet and precursor to the forum. You would dial in to these via modem (my first was a 9600K baud - normal dial up is 56k for comparison) and you would see a text only login with bulletin board type discussions, rudimentary email and even file exchange (photos and software mainly in those days). It's very simple to use and can be hosted on pretty decrepit hardware so a BBS hosted on a laptop would be blazing fast. All you need is a working phone number and modems on both ends. While they "might" take down the phone lines I believe doing so would lead to complete anarchy and even so, there are other ways to make a phone call which your computer could handle given the right hardware: ship to shore UHF / VHF citizens band radio FM radio satcom wireless relay I would recommend constructing a BBS for immediate backup along with: telephone person to person relay (call list) - this could be voicemail accounts (free and low cost, prepaid cellular, etc) which could be used as news drops and message centers for everyone. Fax chains (if we have telephone and power faxes are the old, old school internet snail mail relays (all else fails but maybe we still have postage) Since it's best to develop multiple contingency plans, I would also propose a TOR and/or WASTE network. (private "darknets" which run on the internet but give you private networks encrypted and invisible (in theory) to everyone else). There are other darknet systems not as well known. These have the added benefit of being able to run without DNS root servers once installed and configured). Let's face it, we really only have to plan for certain situations because if things get so bad we can't even utilize fax / phone or snail mail then we're hosed. Maybe if we develop a wireless darknet like I mentioned but that may or may not bring the participants to the attention of the PTB. If we go there we need to do so intelligently with strict limits on when everyone connects and for how long. We would also want to randomize the wireless paths, frequencies and encryption. I'd love to do a wireless darknet just for the fun of being able to have our own UFO radar system -but- in the interest of actually getting something done, how about we go for the BBS and fax chain? (Some one-time cypher pads might not be a bad idea too). |
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Excellent post. You raise a very important point indeed! In case of net censorship or huge magnetically caused (natural or intentional) disturbances we still need to be able to spread light and truth and knowledge so that we can choose what we do with that knowledge for the betterment of ourselves and our felow man/woman.
Peace. |
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Hi.
Have you looked on Project Avalon and then clicked on the Resources tab at the top? If so, this is part of what you will find: "Amateur radio" (how to communicate worldwide - and even send video and text if the internet goes down) The net is vulnerable: to being monitored, or to being wholly or partially shut down. Your e-mail may be one of the first communication systems to go. Many of us are more dependent than we may realize on the net's continued operation to keep in touch with people who live even a short distance away. The same applies to the worldwide cellphone network and even to telephone landlines. And electronic banking systems and the interfaces with ATMs are very fragile..........................." Cheers |
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Without the internet, my ability to connect to people over long distances is severly limited (only written communication) as I cannot hear or use a regular phone.
I would love to find an alternate way to connect online should things hit the fan. I have no problem with reverting back to old dial-up technology as I would not be using the internet for Flash or graphics heavy stuff. I once majored in web design as well but I could not design a script if my life depended on it. I only had a little bit of success with Java. |
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I think a network of BBS's would be a great start.
Text only BBS's were fine on 300 baud when I was starting out ![]() |
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bbs?
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![]() Lol - you must be quite a bit younger than me ![]() BBS - Bulletin Board System. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system Before the internet, us early cybernaughts used modems and terminal emulators to dial up other computers (often equipped with a bank of modems) and downloaded thier unread messages and articles, or even earlier - read them online! Back then if you wanted to download a file, you had to battle with file transfer protocols like ZMODEM. Some BBS systems had internet gateways, and you could use them to send and receive internet email. What is good about this is that the old fashioned phone system is still quite reliable, but fewer people have modems. A.. |
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I get frustrated watching my son text message all day and then i realized its all part of the plan. Words are disappearing. Just my two cents. |
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Two words
Fidonet Freenet |
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Can anybody on here actually implement something? Who has the time & knowhow? This is important.
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@Baggywrinkle - I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows of these...
The only thing on Eye's post I have no actual experience of (yet) is "Satellite communications and hardware" We still have some time to work out the options... Count me in, I can re-build the whole internet if necessary ![]() |
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I had freenet installed on my computer for a while. It is unwieldy and slow. But fidonet is another story. I cut my teeth in BBS land back in the early eighties. The old Paranet network was my lifeline for information. I'd call a node on the other side of the country to access the daily packet and knew about Ed Dames, and the Inslaw Promis fiasco years before it went main stream Forget satellite. Ham data packets will be where it's at. This is strictly a pirate clandestine operation. You will be doing an end run around the government nanny net. It will not be viewed kindly. Combined with a security protocol such as PGP it would be very powerful. The trick is getting folks to take it seriously and start NOW Who among you has the brass and resolve to stand up to tyranny? Freedom of speech and freedom of ideas is your most basic of human rights. Without it you might as well kneel down and lick the boot. Last edited by Baggywrinkle; 01-07-2009 at 11:19 PM. |
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I look at this a little differently, my contingency plan started when I got my computer only 3 years ago. I've never done so much reading and learning about new things. If anything happens I really only need to worry about and try and stay in touch with 4 people,(3 sisters and a brother) and they will be just fine.So I look at this in an old fashioned way, in otherwards get off the keyboard highway and back to the dirt roads! I'll get my weather from the sky, and early warnings from animals (and binoculars).
I already know how to survive so I'm not on the computer to learn about that, I'm on to learn more about things that are not mainstream ideas. So I'm trying to learn as much as possible now so if the internet goes down, so be it. I remember going camping for weeks up by the Canadian border in northern Minnesota, how nice it was with no phones or TV, and just a fire for light at night. Sorry, I'm a little moody today, LOL! |
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I started a very similar thread as EYES WIDE OPEN on the same day. Nice.
Anyway, I like the idea of being electronically armed for this stuff and of course having Baggywrinkle and ucan here is assuring. However, I'm somewhat with Dan when it comes to the thing really blowing. Your next man must be your best friend. Nevertheless, being organised is highly important if you suddenly had to face someone who has been at it for decades. I can't tune into the consciousness of one so count me in at least mentally. The radio option however does sound more sturdy than this whole BSS thing. It doesn't rely on computers as such or am I mistaken? |
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My reasons for a backup communication system are simple; 1. I want to know what is happening in other parts of the world if I global issues arise from a trusted network. 2. I want to use it to contact friends/family to check their situation and team up. 3. I want to stay in touch with like minded people in europe so if something happens, everybody in the europe network can communicate their situation and a safe location can be found faster. Same would count for US people. It would increase the chance to continue free communication and increase chances of survival. |
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THANK you for bring this up. This issue has been seriously rolling ![]() Then realized- if all our Nets were down then what to do. So looked into ham radio info etc.... It's just not my thing to figure this out. I'm left brain thinker- I would need the expertise of others- I then could follow clear right brain instructions. Meanwhile I am exploring telepathy. (If anyone else is interested- let me know. I have no idea if there are established protocals- but I'm willing to try anything) Blessings |
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Somewhere later, with a picture of Zener cards, there is something like a manual. |
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It is important to have three abilities.
1) to have your own power supply 2) receive information (radio receiver) 3) transmit information (radio transmitter which are rare today so you would get a trans/ceiver, or what is known as today's ham radio transceiver) Go to the amatuer/ham radio section (Bill Ryan) in this forum and get caught up. Once you have a radio now you can connect the computer for packets and encrypt them with pgp. Below is some info from that thread; Here is some information that might help those trying to find radios. I have picked out two models. One is more portable than the other, and I picked Yaesu brand as an example. Make sure you view the video links they give a really good feel for what to expect. These are not tube types but can be up and running faster that the tube types. Consider getting one of these to operate now and then learn how to protect them from EMP which is an inexpensive endeavor. Remember you do not need a license to get a radi Here is a link for a Yaesu FT-897D (D means deluxe an update to the original by adding the 60 meter band) A nice feature about this one is that there is space internally for optional battery power. For not just one but two internal batteries. Each battery is about $125... http://www.universal-radio.com/CATALOG/hamhf/1897.html http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=gYKLWDz9neM Here is a link for purchasing a Yaesu FT-847: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/135F. It is HF (which means high frequency that can communicate worldwide) + 2M, 6M, and 70cm Transceiver This site has a nice picture of the Yaesu FT-847 front with easily readable controls. http://www.rigpix.com/yaesu/ft847.htm Here is a YouTube video of the rig in operation.... This rig may look intimidating but is easy to use. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS6weQiHmRQ Here are some videos showing a more portable radio, the Yaesu 857D. Here they are talking on 3.685.00 you can see the frequency displayed in the video http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=YNDwEOncc74&NR=1 Some folks are wondering what it might look like to set up and have a mobile unit. Here is a mobile setup not exactly a cross country lightweight backpacking setup and remember the music is optional lolol. http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=WjEZAa...eature=related Many have an interest in being able to carry in a backpack a way of communicating worldwide so here is how you would set up for backpack use. http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9iJI...eature=related One thing I would have added to this backpack for long term use is a roll up solar battery charger. Some portable solar chargers like the one you will see here is not a roll up. http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=nHbx_Qhc8mU&NR=1 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=TdMIeABaH7Q&NR=1 The FT857D can be obtained brand new for $719.95 at this link http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/1857.html It is 160 meters through 6 meters with FM ability on 2meter and 440Mhz Here is demo of the FT-857 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=eDbfzldRCY0&NR=1 In the demo they are operating on frequency 14.261 As you can see the 857 is very mobile, and compact. |
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Hello Waterman,
This is great practical info but some of those links don't work. Could you have another look across? |
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