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Do they include 'scientology engram' clearing off at the end of the whole process ..i suppose ..they do.
Greetings from the 'other bank' , brothers and sisters Earthlings .
They call it 'the other bank' in some old Hindu Shastras as well. The Place of Non Return .. Is it all but a State of Mind ...the Discussion is Endless ..
We've agreed that the 'Other Bank' is Real State Agent .
Sounds 21st century :ufo:
GE is genetic entityQuote:
Posted by we-R-one
all life forms have a GE .. it is like a ghost
a thetan (viewpoint of a spirit ) is the golden ball around the head
GE's have an automatic recording system ... records 60 pictures a second of every perception the body feels .. balance heat humidity pressure touch (why you can feel the difference between metal and wood) .. about 52 perceptions
if you are a natural clear you don't have an automatic recording system .. you never created one
but the GE has ... so if you are seeing past lives all the way to stone age than these are pictures that the GE would have recorded .. they have nothing to do with you
the Natural clear has no pictures from past lives
if you are not a natural clear you will probably have an automatic recording system too and it will have a different time track .. it will have a track that comes from the stars to here ...
if you are a star seed ... that was sent from the future ..you are brand new spirit and will have no past recordings
but then the GE willl have pictures of its past ... those pictures from the GE are not you.
do you understand?
jim
The way I'm reading what you're saying is contradicting...You say all life forms have a GE, correct? So is spirit not a life form? because you're saying spirit doesn't have a recording system. So if someone is clear, such as a thetan(spirit), they wouldn't have a GE. Sorry, I'm really trying to get this. Most of my past life memories I have are emotions not pictures. Not sure if this matters, but the past life from the stone age transpired when I had a past life regression done at the age of 16. So the picture memory did not come on it's own out of the blue.
Solving the Kobayashi Maru by reprogramming the computer.Quote:
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Never let someone else's portrayal of what must and must not be done get in the way of success!
google tone scale by L Ron HubbardQuote:
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these are all the tone levels of spirit and GE
the body only tones go from 0 to 4
the spirit tones go from minus 40 to plus 40
these are also recorded in the the pictures ...
60 pictures a second
each picture contains everything this body senses .. like direction balance .. where is north .. loudness of voice .. tastes .. taste that is hot cold mint etc ... pain evetything ...
the spirit can operate a body from outside the body like inelia benz did the first 3 years of her life
the spirit can operate without a body ,,,,
the spirit can operate inside a body
the GE usually stays in a body until all the cells are dead .. then it goes and finds another body to make
it regulates heart .and all the body functions .. it is given a survival program like lion tiger human ... and it learns by experience and repetition but it can not create new thought ... because it is a creation .. like a robot except it appears to be life from something that is a real spirit .. no ... it would be the same if I put in a computer and ran it .. if I break the computer it doesn't hurt anyone because it is just a creation same like a computer
the GE has weight and you will see the weight of the body drop a little when the person dies because the GE is made of physical universe "matter energy space and time"
all the recordings are in some kind of Physical universe energy around the head and the GE and Spirit carry these recordings from lifetime to life time ... so the GE has emotional tones ... from the range of 0 death .. to 4 enthusiasm
all life forms must have a GE or there would be nothing to animate the matter and make it appear alive
The spirit has no matter no energy no space no time .. no waveform .. nothing ... it can not be measured by any instrument in the physical universe except the pictures it records .. spirit is a being that can postulate and perceive have opinions and etc ...
so a clear would be a spirit being that has turned all his pictures into concepts
but a nature clear never created a recording systems ... it just can KNOW
or if you think you need pictures to operate you can borrow others ... but most of the pictures are full of garbage and wrong interpretations because of the subconscious recordings of pain that can record peoples words as part of the pain and those words can put hypnotic commands in the person
example is : the father is making love to the mother ... the weight of his body is on the baby and is painful makes the baby go unconscious .. the mother says "oh this is beautiful this is wonderful I don't know how I can live without you" to the father
so the baby gets the interpretation .. "it is beautiful and wonderful and I can't live without the pain" so she must be given pain when she has sex because she thinks she will not be able to survive with out the pain .. when you take someone back to see what happen this erases and the masochism is gone too .
this picture can be recorded by the spirit or the GE and/or both
LRH found the GE because the lifetimes of a GE overlapped the lifetimes of a spirit ... like the spirit died when the GE was still alive and died later ... so he found 2 tracks of pictures .. one from the GE and one from the Spirit .. one set where most of the spirits (thetans) have been coming to this planet for the last 500 years ... and the longest they have found was maybe 13 thousand years but GE will be found only on this planet .. Spirit will be found on this planet and others in the stars
so a natural clear has NO PICTURES ... but you can be in a body with at GE and you would only see the pictures of the GE .. I don't know how they would audit a natural clear .. you can ask bill
jim
In an attempt to clarify the whole mess of ordinary life for a run-of-the-mill humanoid like myself or any non-natural clears... and reposting from
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this all changed when I learned of having more than one bodyQuote:
Posted by Amzer ZoIn an attempt to clarify the whole mess of ordinary life for a run-of-the-mill humanoid like myself or any non-natural clears... and reposting from
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then it becomes a body with spirit ... (Thetan lifeline viewpoint with or without a memory recording system) and GE (genetic entity ghost creates and manages life forms from their birth until their extinctions has memory recording system)
so all lifeforms have a GE (ghost with memory recording system)
spirit is outside the physical universe MEST matter energy space and time ) creating the MEST universe and everything inside using a created thetan (golden ball around the head has or hasn't a memory recording system ) or many thetans
the spirit is the creator along with every other spirit in this universe .. if you are not creating it you can not see it or be in it changing it. so we are the creators
so all of the above can be in one of these bodies on this planet .. and you can find some of them stuck in trees or they are hiding in dogs ... they could even be stuck in an artifact
and one more thing ... you don't have to be some level of buddhism or some level of scientology .. like OT 1 OT 2 OT 3 OT 4
if your intention is greater than another whether he is high in some level in some philosophy your postulate will win over the other ...
so you don't have to compare yourself to others on any level system
the person who has to most powerful intention will get the weather he wants ... and if you get it ... take a win ... so you can do it easier and better next time
jim
Regarding the "Zero state" or what LRH calls a true "Static" (see this post <---):
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Re: the murder of LRH
Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Posted by turiya (here)
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Just can't help but to post the following in a kind of response...
turiya
Why not post this in Bill's Q&A thread?
I'll be very interested in his own answer because, as far as I am concerned, Osho is advocating the very premise of Scientology, the philosophy, since Scientology is an applied philosophy that has taken on the "religion" label because it deals with "theta"/"spirit"/spirituality which, by definition, is the domain of "religion":
STATIC,
1. a static is something without mass, without wavelength, without time, and actually without position. That’s a static and that is the definition of zero. (5410CM06)
2 . a static by definition, is something that is in a complete equilibrium. It isn’t moving and that’s why we’ve used the word static. Not in an engineering sense but in its absolute dictionary sense. (5608C--)
3 . an actuality of no mass, no wave-length, no position in space or relation in time, but with the quality of creating or destroying mass or energy, locating itself or creating space, and of re-relating time. (Dn 55!, p. 29)
4 . something which has no motion. The word is from the Latin, sto meaning stand. No part of mest can be static, but theta is static. Theta has no motion. Even when the mest it controls is moving in space and time, theta is not moving, since theta is not in space or time. (Abil 114A)
5 . has no motion, it has no width, length, breadth, depth; it is not held in suspension by an equilibrium of forces; it does not have mass; it does not contain wave-lengths; it has no situation in time or space. (Scn 8-8008, p. 13)
6 . the simplest thing there is is a static, but a static is not nothingness. These are not synonyms. We speak of it carelessly as a nothingness. That’s because we say nothingness in relationship to the space and objects of the material universe. Life has a quality. It has an ability. When we say nothingness we simply mean it has no quantity. There is no quantitative factor. (5411CM05)
THETAN,
1. the living unit we call, in Scn, a thetan, that being taken from the Greek letter theta, the mathematic symbol used in Scn to indicate the source of life and life itself. (Abil Ma 1)
2 . the awareness of awareness unit which has all potentialities but no mass, no wave-length and no location. (HCOB 3 Jul 59)
3 . the being who is the individual and who handles and lives in the body. (HCOB 23 Apr 69)
4 . (spirit) is described in Scn as having no mass, no wave-length, no energy and no time or location in space except by consideration or postulate. The spirit is not a thing. It is the creator of things. (FOT, p. 55)
5 . the personality and beingness which actually is the individual and is aware of being aware and is ordinarily and normally the “person” and who the individual thinks he is. The thetan is immortal and is possessed of capabilities well in excess of those hitherto predicted for man. (Scn 8-8008, p. 9)
6 . the name given to the life source. It is the individual, the being, the personality, the knowingness of the human being. (Scn 8-80, p. 46)
7 . energyspace production unit. (COHA, p. 247)
8 . in the final analysis what is this thing called thetan? It is simply you before you mocked yourself up and that is the handiest definition I know of. (5608C——)
9 . the person himself—not his body or his name, the physical universe, his mind, or anything else; that which is aware of being aware; the identity which is the individual. The thetan is most familiar to one and all as you. (Aud 25 UK)
1 0 . a static that can consider, and can produce space and energy and objects . (PXL, p . 121 )
VIEWPOINT,
1. a point of awareness from which one can perceive. (PAB 2)
2 . that thing which an individual puts out remotely, to look through. A system of remote lookingness— we’ll call it just remote viewpoint. That’s a specialized kind of viewpoint. And the place from which the individual is himself looking, we’ll call flatly a viewpoint. (2ACC 17A, 5312CM07)
3 . evaluation is the reactive mind’s conception of viewpoint. The reactive mind does not perceive, it evaluates. To the analytical mind it may sometimes appear that the reactive mind has a viewpoint. The reactive mind does not have a viewpoint, it has an evaluation of viewpoint. Thus the viewpoint of the analytical mind is an actual point from which one perceives. Perception is done by sight, sound, smell, tactile, etc. The reactive mind’s ‘viewpoint’ is an opinion based on another opinion and upon a very small amount of observation, and that observation would be formed out of uncertainties. Thus the confusion of the word viewpoint itself. It can be a point from which one can be aware, which is its analytical definition, and it can be somebody’s ideas on a certain subject which is the reactive definition. (CONA, pp. 208-209)
from these definitions you can see if we use the definition of thetan is the spirit
then viewpoint is a point he views from
in the time track of theta tapes LRH says a thetan can operate more than one body
therefore .. it must have more than one viewpoint ...
and each viewpoint has it's own individual track
and it's own individual memory banks
that is how I see it ... if we are operating more than one body
jim
There's none of this that has not been previously recorded in Vedas .
However, the 'method' itself such as auditing does not necessarily and ultimately purify the 'view' and the highest view is free from postulations and concepts.
people do create fantasies and even gross physical mistakes even in high spiritual realms where their perception about their 'Self' is already very pure
and so , they tend to remain with their purified fantasies for a long time ..
thus, many systems in human past were created
each causing societal collapse after they exhausted
the enigma entrusted to them .
:fish2:
from the time track of theta tapes LRH says a Thetan can have more than one viewpointQuote:
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from these definitions you can see the static does not move ... the static is theta ...
therefore how much theta a person possesses depends on the amount of pure life theta to entheta .. (enturbulated theta) he has
by erasing the lies releases this theta out of the trapped entheta back to the collective
anyway you can do that brings more usable theta to the collective so more harmony and more life potential is available.
does this make sense?
jim
sorry it looks like I didn't answer all your questions ...Quote:
Posted by jiminiiGE is genetic entityQuote:
Posted by we-R-one
all life forms have a GE .. it is like a ghost
a thetan (viewpoint of a spirit ) is the golden ball around the head
GE's have an automatic recording system ... records 60 pictures a second of every perception the body feels .. balance heat humidity pressure touch (why you can feel the difference between metal and wood) .. about 52 perceptions
if you are a natural clear you don't have an automatic recording system .. you never created one
but the GE has ... so if you are seeing past lives all the way to stone age than these are pictures that the GE would have recorded .. they have nothing to do with you
the Natural clear has no pictures from past lives
if you are not a natural clear you will probably have an automatic recording system too and it will have a different time track .. it will have a track that comes from the stars to here ...
if you are a star seed ... that was sent from the future ..you are brand new spirit and will have no past recordings
but then the GE willl have pictures of its past ... those pictures from the GE are not you.
do you understand?
jim
every life form has a GE .. (Genetic Entity) ... it is like if you were up there creating lions and tigers and etc ... you had some idea of what you wanted to create and you would create this dolphin ... you design all of it and to make it alive and all the cells in it , ... you would create a thought from that looks like a ghost .. then you program into it how it is to survive and it's motion and everything you want to get out of this creation... and then you would probably test this creation out in some ocean and figure out if it needs more programming ... but the ghost animates the dolphin ... gives it life ... manages the heart beat and all the glands ...and gives it a personality
every life form has a GE and this GE also has a memory system that records about 52 perceptions ... everything the body feels like light brightness dimness touching metal touching plastic .. everything and this also includes the emotional scale .. death apathy grief sympathy fear covert hostility anger pain antagonism boredom .. conservatism enthusiasm ... these are 0 to 4 called tone levels of a body ... spirit can go higher up to serenity of beingness 40 and postulates 30 (creating a planet out of nothing) and below death owning controlling and punishing bodies .. total failure .. hiding would be minus tone scales .. for a thetan goes from minus 40 to plus 40
so your GE is in your body ... and it has its own memories and the thetan has its own memories .. and you the awareness unit are looking at both ..
if you are natural clear there are no memories .. there was never made a recording system but you would still have memories that the GE genetic entity has or those memories that were recorded by the GE that manages your body
all those pictures can be erased ... when erased then you have no reactive mind that reacts off stimulus response mechanisms ..
if someone came up to you and said, "how is your father?" and you hate him you might scream "don't ever talk about my father" .. would be a stimulus response mechanism
does this make sense?
jim
Hi Jim!
First of all, thank you for the interesting thread. You introduced a lot of new concepts and fresh angles that I haven’t considered so far.
I have a few questions for you.
1. If an incarnated identity (human) has within itself a GE and a thetan (in some cases), then what happens after the body dies? I think you mentioned that GE goes and finds a new body for itself. If GE is self aware and can move through bodies that tells me it can evolve through experience.
In view of that GE is just as valuable as other living consciousness and deserves a chance to live. Where does the figure of 70% of GEs come from?
2. Do negatively oriented ETs have thetans? Do they have a recording system? They don’t seem to be concerned about karma very much.
3. You mentioned that according to Ron Hubbard criminals from other planets had been dumped here on this planet for ‘good’ behavior. Were they also trapped thetans or GEs? I guess since GEs cannot live on other planets, they must be thetans. It just paints thetans as a bunch of unruly troublemakers and not evolved beings.
4. You mentioned that the guys who had won the war decided to trap thetans from the losing side on this planet and now there is nobody competent enough to run the universe. If they are a bunch of nincompoops how did they manage to entrap beings much greater than themselves?
5. I listened to Bashar presentation on Awake & Aware 2013 http://awakeandaware2013.net/speakers where he explained that a person couldn’t really go back in time and change past events in order to affect the future. According to him the reality is a bunch of countless static pictures (like video frames) which you change millions of times a second. So you jump between probabilities/timelines all the time without knowing it. He says that it is impossible to go to the past and change it because your past is a set of trillions of still frames from different probabilities which are and always will be there. You could go back in time and try to change the events but you would be jumping back in time to an entirely different probability/timeline and not your own. So the paradox of time travelling where you go back and kill your grandfather and yourself cease to exist cannot happen. Some other version of you from another timeline/probability would cease to exist but your timeline would remain unchanged.
In view of that, my question is- where did you get the information about thetans sending portions of themselves back in time to shift the balance between GEs and thetans so we can win the war?
Thank you for the thought provoking and refreshing thread.
I appreciate very much your coming forward with this information.
Love,
Dila
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much love and life to you
jim
Yep, that simple question was never addressed... since GEs don't die either but go on the lookout for a new biological body being conceive, that makes for ~240 billion surplus GEs... and as many beings left hanging around and most probably playing devils, demons, angels, djinns, faeries, gnomes, etc... according to whatever portion of the implant they are dramatizing and which includes victim/perpetrator sides of the implant coin.Quote:
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Would that be why many a supersoldier/MKultra products turned whistle-blowers "embrace(d)" what they call the "Christ Consciousness" and being filled with "his" light to turn their lives around?Quote:
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... we take and create viewpoints and we can stick them inside this reality anywhere we want ... because the spirit being is outside this creation creating it all along with all the other spirit beings ... that are all putting viewpoints in along this time track so they jump in and figure out what we are doing...
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jim
That would be a "good gag" too...
FYI, for those that are trying to find L.R.Hubbard's "Time track of theta, More on the history of Man";
It is four lectures given by LRH on March 10, 1952 and those are:
1. Organization of Data
2. Theta Lines
3. History of Theta Line
4. Principal Incidence of the Theta Line.
I have not been able to find them in any other format other than audio cassette tape.
HTH
Here is something that all of us knew to be true. One of the cabals strategy for control is to disorient and confused us.
truth dwells in simplicity while deceit hides in complexity.
My tract record in school proves to me that I am not dumb. But I can not reconcile any of this claims.
Weather control I have no problem with that even bigger things can be accomplish by the mind, but to say that only a handful has an spirit.....
Suppose this claims are true what can we spirit less GEs do about it.
"The essence of the genius is knowing what to ignore".AE
The cabal leave nothing to chance left no stone unturned when it comes to deception. They spend huge amount (they have the printing press anyway) and employs millions of people to think of things you can never imagine such as this one.
this thread is a waste of time
well I only learned about this super soldier stuff recently ...but I saw a bit of a interview ... this being was naturally able to do this VT or whatever it is called .. and these low life are still stuck in the mechanics ... like earth mechanics can not get a result because first of all they are violating the beings ethics ... and they will do something to shut it down .. they will reach for someone even if is mainland belief systems to shut it down ,, but they were already quite aware before it got perverted by the ... what do we call them ... MOB ... inplanters ..Quote:
Posted by Amzer ZoYep, that simple question was never addressed... since GEs don't die either but go on the lookout for a new biological body being conceive, that makes for ~240 billion surplus GEs... and as many beings left hanging around and most probably playing devils, demons, angels, djinns, faeries, gnomes, etc... according to whatever portion of the implant they are dramatizing and which includes victim/perpetrator sides of the implant coin.Quote:
Posted by jiminii
Would that be why many a supersoldier/MKultra products turned whistle-blowers "embrace(d)" what they call the "Christ Consciousness" and being filled with "his" light to turn their lives around?Quote:
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... we take and create viewpoints and we can stick them inside this reality anywhere we want ... because the spirit being is outside this creation creating it all along with all the other spirit beings ... that are all putting viewpoints in along this time track so they jump in and figure out what we are doing...
[...]
jim
That would be a "good gag" too...
it is like this OT I knew one time tell about how people who pray can really be putting out a reach that is loud enough to get her attention .. a GI in vietnam is pinned down by snipers and she gets out of her body and goes there and ask him what is the matter .. he says " what .. who are you ... whats going on " she says, "oh I am just a scientologist .. anything you need?"
he says, "yes these snipers got me pinned down ... and I can't escape" ... she says "well I'll take care of that " and she goes up and scares the life out of the snipers and comes back and says, "you're ok now .. you can go back to base"
and he begs .. "no no please follow me back can you?"
so she follows him back to base where he is safe .,
really don't know how many are doing stuff like this from any part of the collective . but yes it could be like this
jim
we are only talking about a prison planet ... and most GE (only) beings would probably not be on this website ... spirit beings will be in places where their interest are .. perverted spirits will be there and criminals would be in a mob ... but GE's are basically servants would probably be in a 9 to 5 job ...Quote:
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most of the spirits would not be on a prison planet .. they would be in the stars
jim
Hi Jim!
Thank you very much for your answers. This is fascinating stuff and I want to understand it in detail. I have more questions for you. I apologise if you answered them earlier, I did look through all of your posts on this thread but I might have overlooked or misunderstood what you wrote.
So let me see if I got at least some of it right.
Millions of years ago the wars were waged between thetans because for whatever reason they couldn’t play nice together. The winning thetans were using some technology to trap thetans from a losing side on planets like Earth through trickery, electronics and implants. 50 000 years ago the remaining thetans from the losing side devised a plan. They hid themselves in a time portal and ……all the rest is fuzzy to me so I will ask more questions.
What exactly was their plan? To create more viewpoints (thetans) in the future without recording system and send them back in time with the purpose of outnumbering GEs and also auditing other thetans? Is that right?
Who creates GEs? I think you mentioned somewhere that one Thetan can create multiple GEs (if I remember correctly). So on this planet negative (for lack of a better word) thetans keep creating more GEs to use as slaves, is that it? Is it why we have more GEs than thetans?Quote:
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Do you mean 250 billion spirits or thetans (viewpoints)? So spirits or thetans can be ripped apart with an atomic bomb? And 75 million years is not enough for them to put themselves back together again? I think you mentioned that “spirit is static ... there is no motion no waveform to matter no energy no space and no time”. So how can it be blown up?Quote:
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What is a no change system? Which part of a galaxy/universe are we talking about? Who makes the rules?Quote:
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So they (the losing side of thetans) created a technology to trap the remaining powerful thetans from their side of the conflict on this planet with the intention to wake them up later so they could get all the rest out of the trap? Is that correct? How are they planning on waking them up?Quote:
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You mentioned governments. What role do they play?
So you cut your hand accidentally and then recreated the scenario without actually cutting yourself again? Did you have to visualise anything while touching your cut with the knife or just go through the motions? Have you tried this technique more than once?Quote:
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Could you explain that please?Quote:
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Thank you so much!
Love,
Dila
so this a basic idea of what happenedQuote:
Posted by DilaHi Jim!
Thank you very much for your answers. This is fascinating stuff and I want to understand it in detail. I have more questions for you. I apologise if you answered them earlier, I did look through all of your posts on this thread but I might have overlooked or misunderstood what you wrote.
So let me see if I got at least some of it right.
Millions of years ago the wars were waged between thetans because for whatever reason they couldn’t play nice together. The winning thetans were using some technology to trap thetans from a losing side on planets like Earth through trickery, electronics and implants. 50 000 years ago the remaining thetans from the losing side devised a plan. They hid themselves in a time portal and ……all the rest is fuzzy to me so I will ask more questions.
What exactly was their plan? To create more viewpoints (thetans) in the future without recording system and send them back in time with the purpose of outnumbering GEs and also auditing other thetans? Is that right?
Let’s take it back 76 trillion years … an old universe ended .went to zero ..means nothing everything else is gone. So the result was somehow they vanished that universe leaving only the thetans and their viewpoints the thetans are pieces broken off from theta (the static … source ..but they are still a static ..no mass energy space or time no wavelength nothing ) so now the thetans must create a new universe … in the beginning it was simple things like creating a town in the middle of the universe with some kind of mass formula that held the town together … and they worked the town until someone said .. we are going too fast we will violate the mass formula .. so everyone slowed down and the mass formula did get violated and the town blew up but this is where they got the idea of gravity. Now back then there were the most powerful viewpoints in the universe and there were also those most negative too like war mongers that think control and force is the only way to control things. let’s call these most powerful the jedi and we also had the negative viewpoints (call them the cabal)
Image this universe is a box. spirits are out of the box are basically a static but can create anything from that static … viewpoints are a creation from the spirit (static Theta) and can be outside the box creating the box or inside the box creating what’s inside the box .. the spirit (thetan) are broken pieces off from the main body of Theta (the static)
the jedi were the peace bringers … the cabal would be similar to the empire in the star wars movie.
The jedi thought they could teach the cabal and change their nature … but the cabal at the same time had the idea of infiltrating the jedi and stealing all the tech and data to find ways to disable the jedi in some way and destroy them from the inside …
Through their lies and deceit they split the jedi apart and then different tribes would want their jedi protection too and these cabal would do the same that they do on this planet .. with lies get one group fighting another while the cabal make themselves rich from it … so this is what started the wars between the societies of planets and etc .. and this meant powerful OT’s fighting other OT’s that could literally take a planet and toss it out to oblivion like we play baseball …
So they got all these OT’s separated in groups and using their propaganda to destroy the reputation of the jedi saying they are too dangerous and too unpredictable. OT’s work better with OT’s ..not meat bodies … OT is Operating Thetan (can operate inside or outside a body)
So they got these OT’s to fight against each other … and split them up among other groups and then develop technology on how to trap a Viewpoint (LRH says thetan .. but can’t be a thetan since the thetan is a static by his own definitions ) so eventually they learned how to create these poles they can stick on some asteroid or planet that is designed to trap a viewpoint on it …
So the thetans with NO POWER or power they get from fear and force and torture …the cabal that becomes the empire .. the same like USA and Europe with their bankers that create wars for money to bankrupt countries so they can steal them for pennies, which would be like the empire that is running this galaxy (the same you see there you see here)
So these most powerful jedi … got together about 50,000 years ago realizing it was a losing game with all these societies and their trickery and decided to create a plan to repair it … since the last huge disaster was the Wall of Fire 75 million years ago (zenu blowing up thetans on this planet) left this area of the universe like a desert …
They created things like the devils triangle using small black holes (very heavy particles .. a pin head could weigh 2 tons and they basically change time and can also be used to supply electric current to the entire planet … so this is the future … about 400 years more or less that is the actual time of this universe .. they somehow put a planet back in time from the future to keep anyone from stopping them and that is what those black hole do they shift time and can protect a city or planet because they can see anyone coming long before .. the ships and airplanes vanish there because the portal opens to go in or out and these ships and planes can be stuck in time somewhere between here and the city on the other side … so these are all over the universe and scattered in different periods of time and we can also move between this time and another time through one of these portals …
This is the future … some 400 years after now here … the plan was to come back through time and start erasing events and getting everyone into auditing to erase their future that is more or less programmed by the automatic recording system they have .. make people a clear erases the karma and stops you from repeating the same things again and again … just putting people on book one will start erasing their past and eventually make you clear … so every clear you make changes that persons future he doesn’t follow the pictures in his mind he carries in some form of physical universe energy from lifetime to lifetime he can decide to change his course …the more you have the more future you can change
Then they sent brand new viewpoints created out of the static that have no recording system and no past sent from the future to this time and they would align entheta (enturbulated theta) and return it to the collective raising the theta level of the planet up same like inelia raising the vibrations of the planet same as scientology raising the tone levels
You see everyone is stuck in some tone depending on how much free theta he has … so this puts him on the tone scale. … tones go from minus 40 to plus 40 all the emotional tones of a spirit the body tones or GE tones go from zero to 4 … like grief propitiation fear covert hostility anger .. etc … you can see by looking were people are on the tone scale … this one is always angry for example … by erasing the past pain you raise his tone level …. Get the tone level above the make break point and we won the game … and that is what is happening .. they have lost … the theta level is high enough to change all of it … they can’t win now …
Every time you have a baby you create a GE … all life forms must have a GE to make the body alive ..Quote:
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No the people create new GE’s every time they have a baby
So the amount of babies we are making is much higher than the amount of Viewpoints (spirits eyes the viewpoint is the helmet from the thetan that drives the body) .. are being dumped on the planet
Who creates GEs? I think you mentioned somewhere that one Thetan can create multiple GEs (if I remember correctly). So on this planet negative (for lack of a better word) thetans keep creating more GEs to use as slaves, is that it? Is it why we have more GEs than thetans?
Do you mean 250 billion spirits or thetans (viewpoints)? So spirits or thetans can be ripped apart with an atomic bomb? And 75 million years is not enough for them to put themselves back together again? I think you mentioned that “spirit is static ... there is no motion no waveform to matter no energy no space and no time”. So how can it be blown up?Quote:
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There are many Japanese (viewpoints whose body got damaged and killed by the atomic bomb) near Hiroshima that do not want to come back and run a body … then the 250 got so messed up from what was done to them after the bombs and continued implants on them they are like zombies or anything else you might want to call them
They think that they have mastered perfection so they don’t want to change any of it saying it took trillions of years to get to this point so we don’t want any changes …Quote:
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Only means they have got the system in a condition where it is ideal for the elite but not the people
What is a no change system? Which part of a galaxy/universe are we talking about? Who makes the rules?
So they (the losing side of thetans) created a technology to trap the remaining powerful thetans from their side of the conflict on this planet with the intention to wake them up later so they could get all the rest out of the trap? Is that correct? How are they planning on waking them up?Quote:
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You mentioned governments. What role do they play?
So you cut your hand accidentally and then recreated the scenario without actually cutting yourself again? Did you have to visualise anything while touching your cut with the knife or just go through the motions? Have you tried this technique more than once?Quote:
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Perfect duplication of anything in the physical universe will cause it to vanish back into the static … so you try to duplicate what happened by putting your body in the same position it was when you cut the finger and then touching the spot with the knife until all the pain is gone at the same time trying to recall that moment in time that you cut your finger .. so it is getting the viewpoint to go back to the exact time and vanishing the creation of the cut.Quote:
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So in a way it is healing … but it is not healing … it is vanishing the creation of the cut by perfect duplication of the incident.
Could you explain that please?
Thank you so much!
Love,
Dila
him
A few clarifications...
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In other words, that the theta body can be aberrated by electronic fields, by drugs, by other contact against the MEST body or against itself. It can be handled, actually, when it's by itself, only with heavy electronic fields. Nothing can hit it.
A body in pawn utilizes not the thetan but ridges. They'll take a thetan and they'll build up ridges; and these ridges will act like personalities, and because their wavelength is known, they can be monitored.
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. And he will tell you in a moment or two: "But this didn't happen to me; this is just lying there." Up to that time he thought it happened to him. It didn't really. What it was, was a facsimile laid down on one of his ridges. And you will find that as many as 5 or more bodies in pawn are being held here and there throughout the universe for one preclear.
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You'll find an occasional body in pawn from the 5th Invader Force and when you do, it'll be on a different proposition because it's monitored by consent; the guy is here with a comm line set up. And he's almost in a state of knowingness concerning exactly where he came from and what he's doing.
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As far as a theta being very badly implanted is concerned, how can you implant an energy unit? It's a question in which you should be awfully interested. Because you can't. You can give it some ridges, but it can always move out from amongst these ridges.
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sarge | June 2, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
Tom, This reminds me of a time I was stuck on OT lll. I went in for a review session because it looked like I was spinning my wheels and getting nowhere. My big question was .” If I am a thetan and I am static, then why in the hell do these things get stuck on the nonphysical me?” After it went to the CS [Case Supervisor] and came back to me, the answer simply was... ”Consideration!“ I didn’t voice it at the time but my thought was, ”... then, why am I not auditing out my considerations?”
Love, Sarge
About GEs:
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Every time you have a baby you create a GE … all life forms must have a GE to make the body alive ..
No, the people create new GEs every time they have a baby.
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If a GE can have memories of prior lives, then, it too, must survive the biological body death and, therefore, is not created anew with a biological conception.Quote:
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Hence my conclusion about a surplus of 240 + billions GEs available for the building of biological bodies.
Hence these questions about the "ghosts" encountered around Hiroshima and Nagasaki:
LRH, with his research on nuclear radiation found out that, in the presence of such radiations, GEs have a tendency to give up and quit maintaining viable biological bodies; which is a button that's being heavily pushed by the cabal with their nuclear threats.
- Are these "ghosts" GEs?
- Are they beings trapped in their theta bodies?
- Are they a combination of both of the above?
Re: SAMSARA: The Movie
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Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Posted by Daozen (here)
Anyone want to step up and have a lively + good humoured debate?
Serious offer.
If -anyone- thinks Earth's society is unredeemable, and needs to go down, I'd like to hear why.
It's a serious question, and I'm comfortable sharing some of the inner debate in my own mind about this. I suspect I may not be alone.
As I posted on the first page, I was really quite disturbed by the movie. And I should not really have been, having traveled extensively in India and Africa, and currently living in Ecuador. But I was left thinking: It may all have to come down.
By that, I meant the forest may have to experience a drastic and serious fire, to enable the new growth to appear. I'm not talking about giving up on the human race. But there is SO much that is way out of balance here, sometimes it seems hard to imagine that it could readjust itself without a major catastrophe.
bill this is what I have been trying to tell you .... we in the future knew it was an unfair game ... the cabal manipulated by the reptilians .. with only so many spirit beings compared to Genetic Entities .. means ... they don't dump as many spirits here as people breed babies ... and those GE's are all being programmed by mass media and fear and everything else ... so that is why a lot of us in the future sent millions of new spirit beings created right out of source ... this means ... they don't have 76 trillion years of pain pulling them down ... they can't be messed with very easy in one short earth lifetime ... and it is like you said and THIS IS REALLY TRUE ... we are everywhere mixed across every country .. and in every land ... we can be farmers or even peasants but we are holding all those positions and our theta level is at the top ... if you compare the average person on this planet with 76 or more trillions of years losing and losing and pain .. and more pain .. you can see how much free theta they might have ... and they are really worn to the bone ... so it was not balanced ... but now like you said ... we will start to rise ... the cabal played their game and we held our ground and we proved we can hold it so we do have a voice now ... so we will be rising out up now out of all this mess and WE WILL CHANGE IT for the better ...
just look around and you can already see it happening
jim
there is one other problem we had with this .. a lot of the societies in the stars and galaxies around not just this one ... thought this place was not worth the trouble ... like it was a slum and very unpopular ... but we were given a chance anyway after we voiced out thoughts that if given a chance to prove ourselves ... without endless years of pain and torture and etc ... what would they think then .. so they gave us a chance ... and part of it was to allow us to balance out this game and see what will happen to the people here .... and so we held our grounds in the back ground giving aide as we can ... silently ... or not ... as it came out .. to see what will happen... and the people did rise up and they proved they were worthy to be given a chance under all this pressure ... so i told you WE WON ... and it is TRUE ... so it will be going up from here ...
ok??
that is something coming straight from me and something I KNOW FOR SURE
and I know it is coming from base 2 as I speak it
jim
a lot of charge came out me ... yawning madly ... and some tears ... too .... can't remember when I had tears before ....Quote:
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and some more cogs came down ...
you see this is not the only game in town .... this is just one of them ....
there are societies much higher in even different kinds of existences ... outside this "desert" ... and so we don't have to think it is just us against the reptilians ... they can be stopped very abruptly if any of the senior games come down on them ... and that is what we have been waiting for ... they just got too wicked and too obstinate and too too everything that those societies decided this is the end of this kind of abuse
so ... the future is ours
and for the first time .... tears ... real ones ... showed up ... and that's a big change in me ...hahahah
peace
jim
I finally read this entire thread and I must say it's quite intriguing.
I must have loads of "theta" because evil intentions cannot manifest anywhere near me. When I am feeling negative energy(happens every few days) I picture a cocoon of my energy around me and stabilize/focus it. Then I release pulses of this energy for as far out as I can imagine(generally not much further than a few miles around me, although it seems if I actually try I will be able to encompass more). Ever since I have been doing this evil/bad whatever you want to call it does not exist in my immediate area.
It was rather perplexing to read about the weather manipulation because I had thought about it before, perhaps 3 months ago. I didn't realize it was my intentions doing this but I was beginning to realize a pattern when viewing storms on the radar. Most storms would morph around my area or break up after passing through. I then dismissed that idea thinking it was because of some geological effect. Well wouldn't you know it the storms stopped behaving like that! I will certainly see what is possible for me and never doubt my self again. I foresee a great and fun future for all of us :o
do we have a scientology dictionary .. someone wants to know what is clear .. is there a definition for natural clear?Quote:
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jim
Tech dictionary: http://e-meter-star.com/books.files/TECHDICT.PDF
well I will stick to what I know ...
I can put postulates in the forum .. but very few get it ... this is how I did it at Flag Service Org ...
the ethics officers 3 of them come to where I worked .. and asked me to write more letters ...
I said, "why?"
they said, "all the people you are writing are coming in"
I said, "why don't you get the others here to write letters?"
they said "they don't write as good as you."
no truth is they don't know how to postulate and make their postulates come true
I write into my letters the exact thing I want to occur like "when will you be here?"
"be here" is the postulate .. the end thing you want .. and I postulate they will "be here" when they read it ,.. and then "all of the people you are writing to are coming in" happens
maybe I should clarify it and tell everyone what I am doing ... then get them to contribute to the postulate ... but I like the subtle way better ... why?
because everyone is in this reverse vector where all effort gets counter effort ... if I tell everyone what I am trying to do . and ask them to agree with me ... they would go into an effort to try to make the thing happen and get counter effort .. it doesn't happen ..
more easy to just state what will happen (as the postulate ... the decision we make to create the future) ... and let the being just do it ...
if we bring it to the attention of the body THINK .. it immediately will be rejected as a "no one has the power to do that ... it's impossible ... ) .. all the implants that convince you .. you can't do anything about it.
but you can practice with postulates ...like simple things .. like .. Pick up the pen ... then decide to pick up the pen .. then pick it up ... and the pen is picked up
these postulates are more easy to do .. then work it to more and more difficult postulates .. until you have rain coming down ONLY on your neighbors house and nowhere else .. then you can say "wow I know how to postulate"
let's have some fun ... ok?
jim
I postulated the pen. After I put it down, I postulated not thinking about the pen any more. As soon as I did that, everything I looked at reminded me of the pen. In fact, I found myself looking at things, almost not of my own will that had something to do with a pen. LOL! Now, I'm writing about the frickin' pen. Bwahhhha!
So similar to quieting the mind in meditation, as a means of aligning the kundalini force/flux.
I postulate this:
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Post-ULL(I)-ate
Very nice indeed ulli. Postulating your wellness.Quote:
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Posted by syghVery nice indeed ulli. Postulating your wellness.Quote:
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Gratef-ULLI received.
And I postulate yours, too.
Wellness and prosperity
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Thank you for this, Jim.
I think it is well worth trying out.
I still have a question though. You say we are the creators of everything practically.
So in your world view is there any place for a prime creator at all?
Very interesting thread, thank you.
Almost all Scientology and Dianetics materials can be found on http://www.matrixfiles.com/Scientology%20Materials/ This link is excluded by most search engines and not easily found.
Kudos to the individual who has put all this material on-line.
It looks like all the higher material, above clear has been removed. Some of which can be found at: https://jeta.home.xs4all.nl/scn/ot3/ot3.html