LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[jiminii]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
that is what I am wondering ... do we let the pole shift happen and do it in a way that doesn't create tsnamiis .. I can keep the core cooler .. so we don't get too much earthquakes ... and volcanoes ... but what is the greatest good ... let the planet align like it wants to .... i need some good ideas ... if we do that the ice will melt and the water will come up maybe 675 feet ... but it will take some years ... then this cabal using HAARP to melt greenland to speed it up I can literally cool the planet too ... but I don't know how much damage it would do ... if we can get some of the rainbows and crystals ... don't need too many ... they will just look at the idea ... and it will start to happen ... but you have to be exact with postulates don't leave anything out ... like we will do this and this and this .. and no one will get killed and if we need a migration ... we need to decide how we want it to go and not be selfish with it .. gaia needs to clean herself
I see most of europe under water ... but you can decide to keep it in place and have other places go down ...maybe just get a deeper ocean and you want to keep the destruction at a minimum ... we do this ... we got the planet and the people that can let more thetans come down because this will be a training ground ,., you see to a spirit this place is like playing with sand on a beach making castles ... so .. for example ,. if we sink the bottom of the atlantic to allow more space for water than when the poles melt we will still be ok ... or we can sink the pacific to make more space for water all around since the pacific is the least populated ...
what kind of scenario do we want ... then we work it ... believe me ... take out the VIA's and we can do this anyway we want ... this is example
example ... decide the end thing you want ... with no VIA's ... ok pole shift ... ice melted and the land and oceans don' t change ... everything stays the same ... no one gets killed
that is a postulate with no VIA's ... with this body think we think we have to change this to change that to change something else .... no .. put the exact thing you want ... get as many of us intending it we can ... and it just happens ...

Sorry to hit on a post from 5 days ago, but this is a fast thread and I have not been keeping up.

I have some observations and rhetorical questions to set the context for a direct question at the end.

So, you, like a substantial number of often quiet others, have learned that with that mustard grain sized faith you can move mountains.

Now you want to know where to move the mountain?

How about not moving it?

However, if that mountain is really causing you or those you care for some problems how about asking the universe where it would best be - for the highest and best good of all?

This seems to me to address the essential dilemma you allude to in the quoted post.

Maybe you will cover this later, but you seem like you are trying to take all this on individually. IMO this is a suboptimal strategy.

Those of us who wish to serve the creator (and are or are becoming consciously aware of that) are generally group beings - and people that like to work in harmony.

You have alluded to this in the way you have referred to (what you assume about) your own being - who you have called a viewpoint of metteyya. Thus "we" have many hands with which to make the light work.

Can you/we align to the will of the creator ?

Direct question: What steps do you take in identifying the differences between your own will and the will of the infinite creator?

we are the creators ... all of us agreed to this creation then we had to put beings in it with less knowledge because KNOWING EVERYTHING would vanish this reality and yoo wouldn't see it

so one thing to not look at the original creation of this to prevent it from vanishing it was to say someone else did it ... and call it something like god or infinite creator

we are the infinite creators and if you could access your past memories you would be able to go back and see when you were once creating suns and planets like what we are in now

jim

[Anchor]

Posted by jiminii (here)
we are the creators ... all of us agreed to this creation then we had to put beings in it with less knowledge because KNOWING EVERYTHING would vanish this reality and yoo wouldn't see it

so one thing to not look at the original creation of this to prevent it from vanishing it was to say someone else did it ... and call it something like god or infinite creator

we are the infinite creators and if you could access your past memories you would be able to go back and see when you were once creating suns and planets like what we are in now

jim

I like this answer. This answer and with the begging of the question: if this is true, why do you need help in deciding what to do?

I think that the link between the artificial individual and self-identity and the one infinite creator of which I speak is real, the gap is bridged by faith in the very fact that we are one. I conclude then that your dilemma may be a crisis of faith - not so much in the getting things done department, but in the what shall we do now department - and what shall we do that will work out for everyone's highest and best good.

When I have that problem I turn within in silence. Eventually if there is no intuition to follow, I just say "thy will be done, not mine" and whatever happens then, just happens.

This is, of course, all said without judgement or prejudice; also notwithstanding the real chance that I could be completely wrong in my own conclusions so far - I am just a bozo on the path.

[wegge]

Something that came to my mind about counter intention: I think it´s also sore conscience. You make a decision for yourself. Then suddenly you start to think about eventualities. I can feel being pulled a little to the left then a little to the right (like the devil and a angel sitting on your shoulders). If you decide to step into one direction you´ll feel a draw backwards if you don´t look at the other intention/liberate resolve it/ As-is it. I think people that are in such a ridge even start to look around the room being pulled in different directions forward and back.

I also think you´re facing/feeling a lot of counter intention (like a enegetic wall flying into you) when you´re doing something or pondering to do and then the thought pops up "oh what could others think of me or I hope nobody sees me".

[jiminii]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
we are the creators ... all of us agreed to this creation then we had to put beings in it with less knowledge because KNOWING EVERYTHING would vanish this reality and yoo wouldn't see it

so one thing to not look at the original creation of this to prevent it from vanishing it was to say someone else did it ... and call it something like god or infinite creator

we are the infinite creators and if you could access your past memories you would be able to go back and see when you were once creating suns and planets like what we are in now

jim

I like this answer. This answer and with the begging of the question: if this is true, why do you need help in deciding what to do?

I think that the link between the artificial individual and self-identity and the one infinite creator of which I speak is real, the gap is bridged by faith in the very fact that we are one. I conclude then that your dilemma may be a crisis of faith - not so much in the getting things done department, but in the what shall we do now department - and what shall we do that will work out for everyone's highest and best good.

When I have that problem I turn within in silence. Eventually if there is no intuition to follow, I just say "thy will be done, not mine" and whatever happens then, just happens.

This is, of course, all said without judgement or prejudice; also notwithstanding the real chance that I could be completely wrong in my own conclusions so far - I am just a bozo on the path.

the oneness you speak comes from a static ... it is an all knowing all powerful static it doesn't do a thing but sit there because anything if would try to do it already knows the conclusion .. it knows the result ...

this is different than a being who decides things and answers things.

well there are those beings too ... they have broken off from this main source to everything that is created to cause something ... the most powerful spirits in the universe ... these spirits created the space and time that we are in so we can create everything else that is in it.

example ... we get 100 spirit beings to build a 100 yard by 100 yard by 100 yard of space ... well we get space ... but if we look at it the second time it violates a law that no 2 identical things can occupy the same space ... in actual fact .. to look at it again the second time exactly what it is would cause it to vanish because you are using its own mass in its own space in its own energy in its own time.
it vanishes

I have already talked about this and you can prove it doing contact assist .. duplicating the exact creation of a cut on your arm by contact and recall and the cut will completely heal up not in days but a few minutes ... just by duplicating its creation

so how do we keep something we just created from going away?

we have to alter it from what it is and not look at the original creation .

so we create this block of space and we add time ... then we create a new block of space in a new instant of time again and again and again and we put it into automatic and we have space that will not go away

ever go to sleep and have no dreams ... there is nothing .. nothing absolutely nothing .. then you wake up you see space. so out of nothing we created space

now in each new creation of this space in a new time we put an object in it..
and then we change the position of a newly created object in a newly created space continuously .. then we have the apparency of an object in motion therefore we can create atoms ... but they are only an apparency .. it would be like creating a human body in one instant and have every part of it move in a new creation of that body in the next creation of space continuously and it would have the apparency of a human body in motion

now do this with a lot more space and a lot more spirit beings and we have a universe like this ..

next the spirit creates a viewpoint ... this is the golden ball around your head that are the eyes of a spirit ... it can operate inside a body or without a body or exterior to a body ...

with these viewpoints we can put one of these golden balls inside the space to see for us .. now the spirit is outside the space creating it and everything else that is inside the space ... that the viewpoints with their spirits decides to see or do or make ..

so if it is here .. it is because we decided to put it here .. if it is not here then we didn't create it or we decided not to create it ... and this is creation

with a spirits outside the box using viewpoints inside the box that allows the spirits to experience ... this creation it makes ...

so if you say be thy will .. or god's will, you are saying you are not cause .. he is and you are depending on someone else to create it ... well if you have enough faith you will create your own god and make this god produce something and then you can prove to everyone there is a god that did something but you would have to create this god yourself ..

and if you leave it up to god

then it is like saying you will put the child behind the wheel of a car and god will guide the child in driving the car ... and then if the child does not guide the car right and wrecks the car you will say this is gods will

nothing happens in this universe unless you or someone else puts it here

jim

[Anchor]

Jim, thank you for responding to my question. I suspect we are at that agree to disagree point, but I want to just finally say why. No more questions being asked here.

The analogy of the one infinite creator being like a child behind the wheel of a car is not really something I can agree with.

I have freewill and the creator has created that and respects it. I know, from past experience, that if I want to do something and focus my intent etc... it will start to happen - so long as its for the highest and best outcome, and if its not, I will soon see this when things don't work out as expected. Some of this is selfish and meddlesome of me. I get to wondering why I should muck about doing this or that and not just keep my personal focus on harmony.

What drew me into your line of thought was the notion - well, here we are, we have all the power, all the big guns, a cosmic "can do" attitude - now what do we do to achieve the end results we want?

The very reason I sometimes let the creator drive is because the creator knows more than me; it is a very experienced driver, it knows what I want, it knows how to apply the conditional limits that I insist on (.... for the highest and best good of all) - I don't know how to do that, nor do you, which is why you are asking the original question that got me started. The only one that does know for sure how best to act, in my opinion, is the one infinite creator - in whom we agree (I think we, but either way, certainly I think that ) we are all a part.

The answer for me is, it doesn't matter HOW we do it, or the order in which things must be done - these are hyper-complex logistics and they lie outside the abilities of our finite mind, what matters is the goal. Do you see where I am coming from?

In my case, broadly speaking, the concern for me at this time is the continual requirement to bring this world slowly to a more loving and harmonious energy with an overall bias towards the service of others before the self; but... in a manner that respects the freewill of all.

I know (have faith) that its possible. I know I am part of the effort to toward that. How it happens ? Dunno mate! Don't ask me!

[jiminii]

Posted by Anchor (here)
Jim, thank you for responding to my question. I suspect we are at that agree to disagree point, but I want to just finally say why. No more questions being asked here.

The analogy of the one infinite creator being like a child behind the wheel of a car is not really something I can agree with.

I have freewill and the creator has created that and respects it. I know, from past experience, that if I want to do something and focus my intent etc... it will start to happen - so long as its for the highest and best outcome, and if its not, I will soon see this when things don't work out as expected. Some of this is selfish and meddlesome of me. I get to wondering why I should muck about doing this or that and not just keep my personal focus on harmony.

What drew me into your line of thought was the notion - well, here we are, we have all the power, all the big guns, a cosmic "can do" attitude - now what do we do to achieve the end results we want?

The very reason I sometimes let the creator drive is because the creator knows more than me; it is a very experienced driver, it knows what I want, it knows how to apply the conditional limits that I insist on (.... for the highest and best good of all) - I don't know how to do that, nor do you, which is why you are asking the original question that got me started. The only one that does know for sure how best to act, in my opinion, is the one infinite creator - in whom we agree (I think we, but either way, certainly I think that ) we are all a part.

The answer for me is, it doesn't matter HOW we do it, or the order in which things must be done - these are hyper-complex logistics and they lie outside the abilities of our finite mind, what matters is the goal. Do you see where I am coming from?

In my case, broadly speaking, the concern for me at this time is the continual requirement to bring this world slowly to a more loving and harmonious energy with an overall bias towards the service of others before the self; but... in a manner that respects the freewill of all.

I know (have faith) that its possible. I know I am part of the effort to toward that. How it happens ? Dunno mate! Don't ask me!

I know what you are saying ... I do the same thing but I don't use a VIA ... the spirit behind me that is using this body is all knowing ... and all powerful ... because it is connected to source ... it can see what I can not see ... means this body..can't see the car coming from the side street but the spirit (golden ball around my head .. the I AM) can see it ... so it put my foot on the brake and stopped the car before I got to the side street or the girl to my right would have been killed.

so this viewpoint (golden ball around my head) is connected to source and I know this .. and it knows and can see more than me ... so since this viewpoint and me are the same thing, I let it do its bidding .but I in the body make the decisions and let it do what it knows how to do to make my decisions appear in the physical universe... and I (the body I) tries to see what it is creating and I can almost see it ... our perception is normal when we view from the (I AM) ... spirit's viewpoint (golden ball) ... but when they trap us in this body they do some kind of implants on us to make us view only from the bodies perceptions .and the bodies memory banks .. a spirit can communicate with radio frequencies ... a body hears with sound ..The ET that talked to me used radio frequencies .. and apparently I must have known how to do it outside this body or he would not have heard me ... I know this creator you are talking about is the me that is outside this body that sees and knows a lot more than this body knows ... when I was in the UFO ... I started to get recall .. "i know how to run that ... oh that too .. and that and that ... wow I know everything in this ship ... OMG i even know how to repair it" ... and when I am back in this body .. those recalls of anything that had to do with operation of the ship or repairing it was gone.

but when I was there I notices the difference in speed ... it is so much more infinity faster (the mind) .. than being here ... with this body that we are forced to use to view from ...
do you see what I mean?

I think it is better to use the better half of you like you do ... but allowing a VIA other something you imagine as a creator ... ??? that is actually you the spirit outside trying to get it messages to you ... so I try to decide to get in better communication with because trying to do it with some all creator god gives me no free will to do what I want. I would assume this other part is doing all ... when it is just the other part of me.

jim

[Swan]

Posted by jiminii (here)
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I have already talked about this and you can prove it doing contact assist .. duplicating the exact creation of a cut on your arm by contact and recall and the cut will completely heal up not in days but a few minutes ... just by duplicating its creation


jim

Hello Jim,

I am enjoying your words, and your music.

Could you explain more about how to do "contact assist".


P.S. I have a feeling you and Sirdipswitch might hit it off...https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Soul-and-OBE

[jiminii]

Posted by Swan (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
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I have already talked about this and you can prove it doing contact assist .. duplicating the exact creation of a cut on your arm by contact and recall and the cut will completely heal up not in days but a few minutes ... just by duplicating its creation


jim

Hello Jim,

I am enjoying your words, and your music.

Could you explain more about how to do "contact assist".


P.S. I have a feeling you and Sirdipswitch might hit it off...https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Soul-and-OBE

you get in the exact same position you were and take the hammer and very lightly touch the finger you hit again and again .. you will feel pain blowing off ... then try to get the idea of the exact moment you hit the finger ... by looking back to that time and keep touching the place where the hammer hit . and it will hurt the most at the exact place the hammer hit ... and do this until all the pain is gone ... and there will be no swelling and no lose of a finger nail

jim

[jiminii]

Clif High WEBBOT : Global Coastal Event (Post #109):

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
maybe i'm the only one who has this problem but what i don't understand in all this is why pretty much everybody who makes doom predictions says stuff like "i hope i'm wrong" or similar things. haven't they looked around? it's not as if we're on our way to paradise.

there's endless talk about how things are getting better and this is being done behind the scenes and that is being worked on and soon all will be well but if you tune out all the love & light dribble and just take look at the world and how it has developed during the last few decades it should become clear to anybody that no, nothing will be well unless something happens that will completely turn us around because we're headed directly towards an abyss.

i've said it before and i'll repeat it ad nauseam...the only thing that can save humanity from either total enslavement or its own extinction is worldwide doom, an event or events that will totally destroy the current civilization so that we are forced to start again from scratch. anything less, that merely tries to correct some mistakes or mitigate our countless problems and does not totally remove them will never work because, no matter what the deluded love & light faction says, the forces that work against a positive development of humanity are, in our current state of affairs, much stronger than those that work for a positive future. too many controlling factors (such as money, governments, certain laws) are in place that prevent most people from finding back to their true "benevolent" state.

catastrophic earth changes and a worldwide destruction of the current system are the only things that can offer us the chance to create a different, positive future, at least for a while because knowing humanity, things will turn foul again soon enough.

Jim STARTS HERE

I had that thought too until I found this website ... if we let this disaster happen .. then they can just take the planet with no resistance ... we are the jedi ... the most powerful in the universe and the most powerful from the future came here too to help ... and the force fields have been removed from the planet that traps us here ... this tells me something ... if this now is no longer a prison planet ... then WHO IS WINNING???? .. everyone can leave and go home if they want to ... but NOT ME ... this place has been fought and won by US together as a collective ... a lot up there would just like to take it ... do you want to go back to where you came from? ... if you think the economic duress is bad here ... GO HOME .... and magnify this same USA and GLOBAL GREED ... by the size of this and other galaxies connected to this galactic government ... and that is how much you will have to fight up there ... it is a vacation here compared to what you will deal with up there. the thing is ... this place will have the most powerful in the universe running it ... and NO ONE CAN STOP IT ... and they will have to FOLLOW OUR RIGHTS TO RUN IT AND ANYTHING ELSE WE WANT TO ... THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE ..... They have created all this suppression that brought it down to this level EVERYWHERE and they are trying to make you think it is IDEAL up there ...IT IS NOT ...FAR FROM ... a lot of us came here by CHOICE because we KNEW ... this place is the only available place where we can take it and they can't stop it and after we take it ... WE will be the masters .... but this time we will not tolerate infiltrated groups that will try to destroy it from inside ... we will have an ethics system put in that will make sure that every ones case who is WILLING to change will be able to join us and the rest can just go back to that HELL they came from ... and that is the way it is ... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and we are powerful enough to SAY IT ...AND DO IT
AND MAKE IT A REALITY

it is all up to us ... no .. I put it another way .. since we already WON ... it is up to you if you want to go back to a place a million times worse then here ... I mean .. look this guy just bought himself an SUV ... what do you think you have up there ... ???? they may have better and more technical system .. BUT ... WHO OWNS AND CONTROLS IT ALL??? and how much of it do you get ... and how much freedom do you have .. etc ...

no I am staying here ... I fought for it and I earned it and NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE MY HOME ... which believe it or not ... I can still travel this world freely ... and I can still buy stuff and make my own game ... they have taken a lot ... but that game is over ...

jim

[jiminii]

the bottom picture it says color mij by the numbers and all the numbers are zero
the top picture shows the tarot card 0 THE FOOL extends to the right of the head to make it look like there is a hole in my head looking at the mountain in front with the fool standing there
the translation of the fool is here:

0 ZERO THE FOOL

With light step, as if earth and its trammels had little power to restrain him, a young man in gorgeous vestments pauses at the brink of a precipice among the great heights of the world; he surveys the blue distance before him-its expanse of sky rather than the prospect below. His act of eager walking is still indicated, though he is stationary at the given moment; his dog is still bounding. The edge which opens on the depth has no terror; it is as if angels were waiting to uphold him, if it came about that he leaped from the height. His countenance is full of intelligence and expectant dream. He has a rose in one hand and in the other a costly wand, from which depends over his right shoulder a wallet curiously embroidered. He is a prince of the other world on his travels through this one-all amidst the morning glory, in the keen air. The sun, which shines behind him, knows whence he came, whither he is going, and how he will return by another path after many days. He is the spirit in search of experience. Many symbols of the Instituted Mysteries are summarized in this card, which reverses, under high warrants, all the confusions that have preceded it.
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[thunder24]

i find this interesting...

The ancient Greek historian, Herodotus, known as the “Father of History” (because he collected his information very systematically), writes in his book, The Histories, Volume II:

"Herodotus says that the priests told him:

When Sethon died there had been 341 kings in Egypt, the son succeeding the father- That three races were equal to 100 years: and the entire period of time was 11,366.5 years. And they further informed him that within that period of time the sun had risen four times, not according to its usual rising, or extraordinarily that it had twice risen where it then set, and twice set where it then rose: that notwithstanding, nothing was changed in Egypt, neither of the things that proceeded from the land, not from the river, nor as to distempers and death."

Seems the ancients lived to tell Herodotus about it, so why should we worry?

http://www.examiner.com/article/magn...appened-before

[bruno dante]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Bruno dante (what does that mean, btw?!),

what he's drafted before committing to posting (which sometimes reads like a stream of consciousness).

My personal reading of bruno dante’s moniker has a lot to do with... stream of consciousness. In a collection of essays on James Joyce’s Finnegans Wake entitled Our Exagmination round his Factification for Incamination of Work in Progress, Samuel Beckett’s contribution, ‘Dante… Bruno. Vico.. Joyce’ examines Giambattista Vico’s application to his philosophy of circularity that of Giordano Bruno of Nola (burnt at the stake by the Inquisition).

There is no difference, says Bruno, between the smallest possible chord and the smallest possible arc, no difference between the infinite circle and the straight line. The maxima and minima of particular contraries are one and indifferent. Minimal heat equals minimal cold. Consequently transmutations are circular. The principle (minimum) of one contrary takes its movement from the principle (maximum) of another. Therefore not only do the minima coincide with the minima, the maxima with the maxima, but the minima with the maxima in the succession of transmutations Maximal speed is a state of rest. The maximum of corruption and the minimum of generation are identical: in principle, corruption is generation. And all things are ultimately identified with God, the universal monad, Monad of monads. From these considerations Vico evolved a Science and Philosophy of History.

Sorry, Bill, but you did ask Beckett’s take on Dante and Joyce based on this is also interesting, and I think relevant to Avalon.

Dante’s (Purgatory) is conical and consequently implies culmination. Mr Joyce’s is spherical and excludes culmination. In the one there is an ascent from real vegetation – Ante-Purgatory, to ideal vegetation – Terrestrial Paradise: in the other there is no ascent and no ideal vegetation. In the one, absolute progression and a guaranteed consummation: in the other, flux – progression or retrogression, and an apparent consummation. In the one movement is unidirectional, and a step forward represents a net advance: in the other movement is non-directional, and a step forward is by definition a step back. Dante’s Terrestrial Paradise is the carriage entrance to a Paradise that is not terrestrial: Mr Joyce’s Terrestrial Paradise is the tradesmen’s entrance on to the sea-shore. Sin is an impediment to movement up the cone, and a condition of movement round the sphere. In what sense, then, is Mr Joyce’s work purgatorial? In the absolute absence of the Absolute. Hell is the static lifelessness of unrelieved viciousness. Paradise the static lifelessness of unrelieved immaculation. Purgatory a flood of movement and vitality released by the conjunction of these two elements. There is a continuous purgatorial process at work, in the sense that the vicious circle of humanity is being achieved, and this achievement depends on the recurrent predomination of one of two broad qualities. No resistance, no eruption, and it is only in Hell and Paradise that there are no eruptions, that there can be none, need be none. On this earth that is Purgatory, Vice and Virtue – which you may take to mean any pair of large contrary human factors – must in turn be purged down to spirits of rebelliousness. Then the dominant crust of the Vicious or Virtuous sets, resistance is provided, the explosion duly takes place and the machine proceeds. And no more than this; neither prize nor penalty; simply a series of stimulants to enable the kitten to catch its tail. And the partially purgatorial agent? The partially purged.

While on this page, I’d like to link Jim’s stream of consciousness style with a notion he has stressed, that of playing a game (the kitten catching its tail). Being too serious, as we often are on Avalon, is a fear-based reaction, and as usual the answer is to chill out. Jim is the inventor of stream of consciousness (Jim Joyce that is), so we may as well go back to ‘source’ to understand what Jiminii is up to here. I tend to think that an interviewer might have his work cut out trying to detach a message from the medium… Beckett again:

His writing is not about something; it is that something itself (…) When the sense is sleep, the words go to sleep (…) When the sense is dancing, the words dance. Take the passage at the end of Shaun’s pastoral: ‘To stir up love’s young fizz I tilt with this bridle’s cup champagne, dimming douce from her peepair of hideseeks tight squeezed on my snowybreasted and while my pearlies in their sparkling wisdom are nippling her bubblets I swear (and let you swear) by the bumper round of my poor old snaggletooth’s solidbowel I ne’er will prove I’m untrue to (theare!) you liking so long as my hole looks. Down.’ The language is drunk. The very words are tilted and effervescent.

Bruno Dante is the alter ego of one of my favorite writers, Dan Fante.

[jiminii]

so how do you make your postulates worrk

you choose your words wisely

I want is pulling
i don't want is pushing
I need is pulling
I don't need is pushng
I like being with you iis not pushing or pulling and she will agree

how about finding the perfect girl
well when you want to find out if you like a candy bar or not ..you have to be willing to waste the candy bar

so I get on a dating site and I put my poems there and I don't talk sex ... that is the biggest turn off ever
it shows you are not interested in her you only want her body

I put my poems out there and I end up with about 200 or more chinese girls wanting to talk to me ...

I have so many emails that asianfriendfinder stops my emails and wants to know if I am trying to sell something or do something illegal
I have to call them and tell them I am only sending them my poems

they turned on my email

now you have sooooooooooooooo many girls you can't decide because all of them have this Chinese think of looking at marriage like a kind of business

it means what can they get ... type stuff ... and i get a girl who says she is looking for someone to inspire her

and I send her my poems .. she is in a remote part of china not a place i would look ... but she is perfect ...

so we got married

how about jobs
the biggest and best jobs i got in aerospace with the biggest in the world I simply go in
and let them hire me.

you see the recruiter wants to hire you ... so he has all this stuff he has to say about his company to impress you
so I let him run out his entire tape recorder in his head
smile and keep saying " good .. right ... sounds good .. I got i ... "
at the end of the conversation he knows nothing about me ..and I know everything about him .. so I must be the smartest man in the world ...

so he says "have you got any questions?"
I say, "you got any overtime?" they love this

he says "oh yes plenty of overtime."

he says, "do you want to know the benefits "
I say, " no the over time is ok for me"

he says, "when can you start?"
I say "I can start now"

he says, "ok show up monday"

postulates work by the wording ... if you don't want the effort counter effort then choose words that don't effort either way
if you don't want the pulling pushing ... from reverse vectors ... don't choose words that are pulling or pushing

simple

jim

[jiminii]

Re: Bill, Why Dianetics is Not For Me
Posted by we-R-one (here)
Hi Music,

I really appreciate your point of view and can in many ways relate to what you're saying. Just to be clear to the readers, I'm not picking one side over the other and I realize that's not what Music is implying either. I'm grateful for both perspectives as it aides in my growth and understanding. I can probably better address your point of view Music, more so than Dianetics as I've had no exposure to it's principles until now. Even then, my scope is limited because it takes time to absorb the methods and ideology behind it's makings.

Becoming heart-centered is key, I believe to our survival and ability to co-exist with one another and as one. I became aware of this only a year ago, when all the pieces to the puzzle of this particular aspect, started to come together for me, which was the inspiration for "The Solutions" thread. As mentioned before by David Icke, the Gnostic teachings even enforce this notion of humans being heart-centered in past writings, so this aligned with the thought process I had when I experienced the kundalini. The thought process was in the heart not the mind. To gain this understanding I had to go through 24 years of pain and abuse before I came to this conclusion. This was a spiritual awakening that wasn't realized until 21 years later! Had I done Dianetics would I have cleared this engram before and never coming to this understanding?

My journey to get to the point of where I am today was all organic. The star seed attributes started when I was about 5, though it's possible they could have been sooner, I just don't remember. I never studied under any one or anything and I have no formal training, I am self taught....at least in this lifetime. So when I look at the Dianetics aspect, and if I'm understanding correctly from what little I know, it's the quicker version for someone to obtain star seed attributes by clearing engrams so they can have more of the god-like abilities? So you cannot obtain these powers until you clear engrams, do I have that right? My concern would be that this isn't an organic approach and things could be missed that are of great value that one could only learn had they experienced the pain generated from the moment of the lesson rather than washing it away via an engram cleansing or whatever you want to call it. It was because of the "issues" put before me that I was able to understand and grow and become more heart-centered. You cannot avoid the pain! How can you be of service to others if have no understanding of the pain caused and felt by those experiencing the process of soul evolution? Frick I have so many questions that I haven't had a chance to ask Jiminii yet because I'm still trying to catch up on all the threads.

I'm probably the perfect person to look at dianetics because of my background of not being influenced by anyone's methodology and yet still being able to have obtained the so called "god-like" abilities without any teachings. I don't know why I can do these things...., an older soul from the future maybe?.... but I do feel that all have the ability at some point through the process of a natural evolution growth to obtain the same skill sets. If the point of Dianetics is to speed up the process, I do worry that the powers obtained can be abused by those who have yet to become heart-centered. It's kinda like the cart before the horse maybe? This is what I'm referring to when I say it's imperative that we get our spiritual houses in order first through being heart-centered. To obtain powers before hand could very well be catastrophic.

I'm having difficulty finding the words to express my thoughts and my response is probably premature since I've haven't read the book on Dianetics, but I felt the need to respond. I wish I had more time to explore this in depth and rapidly, in order to keep up with the flow of conversation of those who have already read. I'll do my best to take a look so I have a more well rounded viewpoint. I can understand your concerns Music and they should be taken into consideration by others in order to bring balance to the teachings of the likes of Dianetics or any other methodology that bypasses the organic state of being within the heart.



jiminii's answer to this post


getting out of the body alone ... would make you clear ... but it would be a key'd out clear ..a key's out clear can be key'd in again because he hasn't erased the pictures .. all Buddhist are key'd out clears . I am not looking for key'd out clears .. I am looking for natural clears .. they do not have a recording system .. so they don't have to clear recordings that could have someones' words in the recording giving the person hypnotic commands so they have weird reactions to life situations

I am looking for star seeds ... I only use this scientology to get the definitions I needed to explain the creation of this universe and how these spirits created viewpoints that most people think are some kind of spirit around the head. then there is the other entity the GE that is a created thought form that grows and manages bodies ... I will give you a simple explanation

imagine you learned how to create a sun to get light and then an earth .. and then you want to create something that moves around and has intelligence.
so you start making one cell animals .. and of course all your friends are up there creating all their little creations .. then you realized it needed some kind of thought form similar to yourself ... so you make this ghost and try to copy what information you have into it so you can have something that is more life like to communicate .
you get really good at this until you have animals with emotions and every other thing that is here .. and you've made them VERY REAL and VERY life like ... BUT

you know it is still basically a robot ... so then you attach yourself to one of these and try to manage if from the outside ... and you can manage this creation of a human or dog or anything you would like to manage ... then you want to go one more step and decide to figure out a way to change your viewpoints where you can be looking with the eyes you created in this human and its ears and all the sensations a body can feel ..

but during all this creation spirit beings found they can hurt other spirit beings unintentionally .. so they can get moody and decide to do a revenge to let the other person know what it feels like and then you get in wars and then you learn how to trap spirits in these bodies .and eventually you arrive here ...

now ... you still have battles and you learn how to trap the most powerful and you really have to do it if you want to win the battle ... so you can't kill a spirit being .. but you can trap him ... so he is not stopping you from wining the battle ... it doesn't matter what reason . you are here ...

so this LRH comes home from the war and finds his son is all messed up and does these technology he may have learned in asia dianetics because his wife got pregnant from a psychiatrist and tried many times to abort the child ... so he is trying to remove these engrams so his son can have a better life ...

this could be one of the reason's he created scientology ... but he was learning how to repair a meat body ... that is what dianetics is ... it is not designed to repair the mind though in the engrams they found the words said could act like hypnotic commands ... so then it goes into past lives .. he finds that he must run this to past lives or they won't erase .. so that is when he has to change it to scientology

I am just looking for star seeds .. and show them the basic tools of thought that I learned to make my miracles ... so maybe they can help fix this planet faster

I never did dianetics .. I am natural clear ... means no recording system .. so there are no engrams to erase in me.
I believe the star seeds are natural clears too .. so they will not need to do dianetics either.
in fact if you are Natural clear you can not do dianetiics at all ..you have to get up to OT 5 which allows and OT to repair his body.
and it is amazing stuff ... a guy goes in weighing 250 pounds and comes out 20 minutes later weighing 170 pounds
and then one goes in there weighing 250 pounds and comes out weighing 250 pounds and someone asked him, "hey why didn't your weight go away ??? "
and he answers and says "I like being fat"

and that is OT V

now I did all my miracles and never got any processing from Scientology ,,,, none .. I did it by reading the books and practicing how to make my thoughts work

now inelia has done things that Bill hasn't even put on the interview because it was too far out to believe
well I have the same as hers ... I have so many impossible things happen on the spur of the moment who is going to believe them

I would hitch hike a ride to san francisco and stop at a bar somewhere along the way ... and ask some girls where I can sleep.
they take me to a place where they are building houses ... and I sleep there.
in the morning I wake up in the corner and sit up like a buddhist and get some idea of running some kind of flow down to my neck

these 2 girls come in and looked shocked ... I said, "what's wrong?"
both of them said they can't see my head ... there is only some silver in the middle.
i said, "oh I know what that is .." and I pulled it down to my waist and then they couldn't see me from waist up.

these are impossible for others to believe .. but they happen again and again and again ...

I never once asked anyone to do dianetics .. it is totally up to you and it is not even my ententiion
and I never asked anyone to do scientology here too ...

I am looking for those few millions that I know are here .. and I will try to get them to realize what they are and what they can do ...

it they can't it is ok ... but some will be able to do it ... I am only giving my own experiences that I learned testing out the data I read

Hi Jim,

Thanks for such a detailed response. I'm still trying to catch up on your posts to get a better understanding of all that you share. I've tried to hold back from asking questions as I realize maybe they'll already be answered if I just continue reading further. So let me ask you this....though I do fit most of the characterizations of a star seed, I have experienced past lives and have memories from such as far back as the stone age. Most come in forms of emotions though some have been in pictures such as the life as a stone age female warrior. If I'm understanding the term correctly, I do "feel" clear. It does not appear that I have any karma left to contend with. As I watch others spin around in karma disarray, nothing seems to touch me in the way I see what others must contend with on a daily basis. The last issue I appeared to have was taken care of in 1990 when I experienced a kundalini. I equate this to emotional clearing which I believe is the same as when you refer to someone having cleared themselves. So it's possible that one can get to this point of clearing via different methods whether organic or through dianetics. The metaphysical abilities that I possess, started at a young age before you could say I was completely cleared, so how does that fit in to what you know? So if I understand what you're saying, you seem to be of the belief that you cannot obtain these "god-like" abilities until you are clear. And what I'm saying is I could perform some of these abilities before I was cleared if I'm actually clear in the first place like I think I am. Most of these abilities utilized the power of intention with the exception of shaking someone's hand and being able to read their thoughts. All seem to deal with the manipulation of energy which is something I understood at a very young age...it was never questioned, I just did things as if they were natural and then went about my business as if nothing happened. I have more questions, but maybe this isn't the right thread and I don't want to take away from Music's posts or topic.
she is right you don't have to do dianetics
and I don't recommend it ...
old dianetics took a long time to do running over and over and over the engram to erase it

new dianetics takes you to the thought itself ...you run the incidents to the first time it happened and then ask "what was the thought that started it"
the thought might be something like "if I get too close I may fall over this clift"
and doing it this way clears it instantly and the person gets a cognition like "now I know why I get all these feelings when I am close to clifts"

the needle floats showing it is erased
but it does prove one thing ... everything that happens to you or with you .. come from your own thoughts or in agreement with someone else's thoughts

and everything in this universe is created from thoughts

I think I have to create a new thread and look for all the posts I did and put them on this post called

"the impossible experiences for anyone to believe by jiminii"

as for clear ,.. somewhere there is a scientology glossary ... read the definition of clear
see if it is you?

jim

I am going to copy this over to the LRH thread and answer the rest of your questions

I believe intention is intention ... I even believe that a totally messed up person can make his thoughts work if he is a spirit ... a GE can't ... he just manages bodies

I went into scientology to get them to do the miracles so I could leave and go do my own life .. do my music and go around the planet and see how good I could get with my abilities

but apparently they don't read the stuff and they KNOW this is possible but if I go in there and prove it ... they will think I am insane ... but prove it again and again ... in 4 orgs and on the weeks I said it .. and I still get people who will say "you can not make the GI go up besides you just crashed the GI) ... GI is Gross income ...
this is a contradicting statement .. she is saying I have no power to raise the GI but I have the power to crash the GI and i told her I crashed the GI to put ethics in when I see people abusing others ...like work this japanese american for 11 months with an abscessed tooth .... every time he goes to medical they say they don't have the money ...this means he has to work ... and he can not go to study or get his processing as exchange for his work when he is on medical lines ... this is abuse .. a kind of catch 22 .... I ask them why you work him? ... they say .. He is really good doing central files ... I say then "why don't you fix his teeth"
and they say "he is just being humanoid" ... I think I would be a little humanoid if I had an abscessed tooth too

so I can not get them to do what I can do so I can finish what I promised and go back to my own game.

and it would be the same on this website .. only those who really want to expand their abilities will come to me .. the rest can do whatever they want ..

so as for going back to the stone age ... if you are a star seed from the future than I think you would be a brand new viewpoint from the future sent here ... like inelia and me ... never born before and all you are reading is the Genetic Entities pictures that would take you back to stone age ... because a spirit didn't go that way ... a spirit came from the stars

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by jiminii (here)
Re: Bill, Why Dianetics is Not For Me
Posted by we-R-one (here)
Hi Music,

I really appreciate your point of view and can in many ways relate to what you're saying. Just to be clear to the readers, I'm not picking one side over the other and I realize that's not what Music is implying either. I'm grateful for both perspectives as it aides in my growth and understanding. I can probably better address your point of view Music, more so than Dianetics as I've had no exposure to it's principles until now. Even then, my scope is limited because it takes time to absorb the methods and ideology behind it's makings.

Becoming heart-centered is key, I believe to our survival and ability to co-exist with one another and as one. I became aware of this only a year ago, when all the pieces to the puzzle of this particular aspect, started to come together for me, which was the inspiration for "The Solutions" thread. As mentioned before by David Icke, the Gnostic teachings even enforce this notion of humans being heart-centered in past writings, so this aligned with the thought process I had when I experienced the kundalini. The thought process was in the heart not the mind. To gain this understanding I had to go through 24 years of pain and abuse before I came to this conclusion. This was a spiritual awakening that wasn't realized until 21 years later! Had I done Dianetics would I have cleared this engram before and never coming to this understanding?

My journey to get to the point of where I am today was all organic. The star seed attributes started when I was about 5, though it's possible they could have been sooner, I just don't remember. I never studied under any one or anything and I have no formal training, I am self taught....at least in this lifetime. So when I look at the Dianetics aspect, and if I'm understanding correctly from what little I know, it's the quicker version for someone to obtain star seed attributes by clearing engrams so they can have more of the god-like abilities? So you cannot obtain these powers until you clear engrams, do I have that right? My concern would be that this isn't an organic approach and things could be missed that are of great value that one could only learn had they experienced the pain generated from the moment of the lesson rather than washing it away via an engram cleansing or whatever you want to call it. It was because of the "issues" put before me that I was able to understand and grow and become more heart-centered. You cannot avoid the pain! How can you be of service to others if have no understanding of the pain caused and felt by those experiencing the process of soul evolution? Frick I have so many questions that I haven't had a chance to ask Jiminii yet because I'm still trying to catch up on all the threads.

I'm probably the perfect person to look at dianetics because of my background of not being influenced by anyone's methodology and yet still being able to have obtained the so called "god-like" abilities without any teachings. I don't know why I can do these things...., an older soul from the future maybe?.... but I do feel that all have the ability at some point through the process of a natural evolution growth to obtain the same skill sets. If the point of Dianetics is to speed up the process, I do worry that the powers obtained can be abused by those who have yet to become heart-centered. It's kinda like the cart before the horse maybe? This is what I'm referring to when I say it's imperative that we get our spiritual houses in order first through being heart-centered. To obtain powers before hand could very well be catastrophic.

I'm having difficulty finding the words to express my thoughts and my response is probably premature since I've haven't read the book on Dianetics, but I felt the need to respond. I wish I had more time to explore this in depth and rapidly, in order to keep up with the flow of conversation of those who have already read. I'll do my best to take a look so I have a more well rounded viewpoint. I can understand your concerns Music and they should be taken into consideration by others in order to bring balance to the teachings of the likes of Dianetics or any other methodology that bypasses the organic state of being within the heart.



jiminii's answer to this post


getting out of the body alone ... would make you clear ... but it would be a key'd out clear ..a key's out clear can be key'd in again because he hasn't erased the pictures .. all Buddhist are key'd out clears . I am not looking for key'd out clears .. I am looking for natural clears .. they do not have a recording system .. so they don't have to clear recordings that could have someones' words in the recording giving the person hypnotic commands so they have weird reactions to life situations

I am looking for star seeds ... I only use this scientology to get the definitions I needed to explain the creation of this universe and how these spirits created viewpoints that most people think are some kind of spirit around the head. then there is the other entity the GE that is a created thought form that grows and manages bodies ... I will give you a simple explanation

imagine you learned how to create a sun to get light and then an earth .. and then you want to create something that moves around and has intelligence.
so you start making one cell animals .. and of course all your friends are up there creating all their little creations .. then you realized it needed some kind of thought form similar to yourself ... so you make this ghost and try to copy what information you have into it so you can have something that is more life like to communicate .
you get really good at this until you have animals with emotions and every other thing that is here .. and you've made them VERY REAL and VERY life like ... BUT

you know it is still basically a robot ... so then you attach yourself to one of these and try to manage if from the outside ... and you can manage this creation of a human or dog or anything you would like to manage ... then you want to go one more step and decide to figure out a way to change your viewpoints where you can be looking with the eyes you created in this human and its ears and all the sensations a body can feel ..

but during all this creation spirit beings found they can hurt other spirit beings unintentionally .. so they can get moody and decide to do a revenge to let the other person know what it feels like and then you get in wars and then you learn how to trap spirits in these bodies .and eventually you arrive here ...

now ... you still have battles and you learn how to trap the most powerful and you really have to do it if you want to win the battle ... so you can't kill a spirit being .. but you can trap him ... so he is not stopping you from wining the battle ... it doesn't matter what reason . you are here ...

so this LRH comes home from the war and finds his son is all messed up and does these technology he may have learned in asia dianetics because his wife got pregnant from a psychiatrist and tried many times to abort the child ... so he is trying to remove these engrams so his son can have a better life ...

this could be one of the reason's he created scientology ... but he was learning how to repair a meat body ... that is what dianetics is ... it is not designed to repair the mind though in the engrams they found the words said could act like hypnotic commands ... so then it goes into past lives .. he finds that he must run this to past lives or they won't erase .. so that is when he has to change it to scientology

I am just looking for star seeds .. and show them the basic tools of thought that I learned to make my miracles ... so maybe they can help fix this planet faster

I never did dianetics .. I am natural clear ... means no recording system .. so there are no engrams to erase in me.
I believe the star seeds are natural clears too .. so they will not need to do dianetics either.
in fact if you are Natural clear you can not do dianetiics at all ..you have to get up to OT 5 which allows and OT to repair his body.
and it is amazing stuff ... a guy goes in weighing 250 pounds and comes out 20 minutes later weighing 170 pounds
and then one goes in there weighing 250 pounds and comes out weighing 250 pounds and someone asked him, "hey why didn't your weight go away ??? "
and he answers and says "I like being fat"

and that is OT V

now I did all my miracles and never got any processing from Scientology ,,,, none .. I did it by reading the books and practicing how to make my thoughts work

now inelia has done things that Bill hasn't even put on the interview because it was too far out to believe
well I have the same as hers ... I have so many impossible things happen on the spur of the moment who is going to believe them

I would hitch hike a ride to san francisco and stop at a bar somewhere along the way ... and ask some girls where I can sleep.
they take me to a place where they are building houses ... and I sleep there.
in the morning I wake up in the corner and sit up like a buddhist and get some idea of running some kind of flow down to my neck

these 2 girls come in and looked shocked ... I said, "what's wrong?"
both of them said they can't see my head ... there is only some silver in the middle.
i said, "oh I know what that is .." and I pulled it down to my waist and then they couldn't see me from waist up.

these are impossible for others to believe .. but they happen again and again and again ...

I never once asked anyone to do dianetics .. it is totally up to you and it is not even my ententiion
and I never asked anyone to do scientology here too ...

I am looking for those few millions that I know are here .. and I will try to get them to realize what they are and what they can do ...

it they can't it is ok ... but some will be able to do it ... I am only giving my own experiences that I learned testing out the data I read

Hi Jim,

Thanks for such a detailed response. I'm still trying to catch up on your posts to get a better understanding of all that you share. I've tried to hold back from asking questions as I realize maybe they'll already be answered if I just continue reading further. So let me ask you this....though I do fit most of the characterizations of a star seed, I have experienced past lives and have memories from such as far back as the stone age. Most come in forms of emotions though some have been in pictures such as the life as a stone age female warrior. If I'm understanding the term correctly, I do "feel" clear. It does not appear that I have any karma left to contend with. As I watch others spin around in karma disarray, nothing seems to touch me in the way I see what others must contend with on a daily basis. The last issue I appeared to have was taken care of in 1990 when I experienced a kundalini. I equate this to emotional clearing which I believe is the same as when you refer to someone having cleared themselves. So it's possible that one can get to this point of clearing via different methods whether organic or through dianetics. The metaphysical abilities that I possess, started at a young age before you could say I was completely cleared, so how does that fit in to what you know? So if I understand what you're saying, you seem to be of the belief that you cannot obtain these "god-like" abilities until you are clear. And what I'm saying is I could perform some of these abilities before I was cleared if I'm actually clear in the first place like I think I am. Most of these abilities utilized the power of intention with the exception of shaking someone's hand and being able to read their thoughts. All seem to deal with the manipulation of energy which is something I understood at a very young age...it was never questioned, I just did things as if they were natural and then went about my business as if nothing happened. I have more questions, but maybe this isn't the right thread and I don't want to take away from Music's posts or topic.
she is right you don't have to do dianetics
and I don't recommend it ...
old dianetics took a long time to do running over and over and over the engram to erase it

new dianetics takes you to the thought itself ...you run the incidents to the first time it happened and then ask "what was the thought that started it"
the thought might be something like "if I get too close I may fall over this clift"
and doing it this way clears it instantly and the person gets a cognition like "now I know why I get all these feelings when I am close to clifts"

the needle floats showing it is erased
but it does prove one thing ... everything that happens to you or with you .. come from your own thoughts or in agreement with someone else's thoughts

and everything in this universe is created from thoughts

I think I have to create a new thread and look for all the posts I did and put them on this post called

"the impossible experiences for anyone to believe by jiminii"

as for clear ,.. somewhere there is a scientology glossary ... read the definition of clear
see if it is you?

jim

I am going to copy this over to the LRH thread and answer the rest of your questions

I believe intention is intention ... I even believe that a totally messed up person can make his thoughts work if he is a spirit ... a GE can't ... he just manages bodies

I went into scientology to get them to do the miracles so I could leave and go do my own life .. do my music and go around the planet and see how good I could get with my abilities

but apparently they don't read the stuff and they KNOW this is possible but if I go in there and prove it ... they will think I am insane ... but prove it again and again ... in 4 orgs and on the weeks I said it .. and I still get people who will say "you can not make the GI go up besides you just crashed the GI) ... GI is Gross income ...
this is a contradicting statement .. she is saying I have no power to raise the GI but I have the power to crash the GI and i told her I crashed the GI to put ethics in when I see people abusing others ...like work this japanese american for 11 months with an abscessed tooth .... every time he goes to medical they say they don't have the money ...this means he has to work ... and he can not go to study or get his processing as exchange for his work when he is on medical lines ... this is abuse .. a kind of catch 22 .... I ask them why you work him? ... they say .. He is really good doing central files ... I say then "why don't you fix his teeth"
and they say "he is just being humanoid" ... I think I would be a little humanoid if I had an abscessed tooth too

so I can not get them to do what I can do so I can finish what I promised and go back to my own game.

and it would be the same on this website .. only those who really want to expand their abilities will come to me .. the rest can do whatever they want ..

so as for going back to the stone age ... if you are a star seed from the future than I think you would be a brand new viewpoint from the future sent here ... like inelia and me ... never born before and all you are reading is the Genetic Entities pictures that would take you back to stone age ... because a spirit didn't go that way ... a spirit came from the stars

jim

did I miss any of your questions?

[we-R-one]

Hi Jim,
Sorry I couldn't respond till now. So if I have past life memories how can I be a natural clear? Maybe I'm not completely understanding you. So the memories I have are because I'm reading my own GE's pictures? I think I'm not quite grasping all this ...trying to find that post that defined GE, Theta, etc.....Let me ask this...recently someone approached me because they share a same past life as myself, could one of us be a GE and the other spirit?

I hear you when you say you don't do Dianetics, but for others who aren't "clear" they are seeking out this process in order to become "clear", so that's why I voiced the concern on Music's thread because it's by-passing the organic process of emotional clearing which from what I can see appears to be healthier. Also, in order for us to understand what you're talking about, some of us who aren't even familiar with scientology are finding the need to explore further in order to follow, since it appears you're using their vocabulary to describe exactly what you're doing. I'm not criticizing you, just explaining.

[we-R-one]

Let me add this too, the point of emotional clearing is to raise one's vibrations through love, forgiveness and compassion which in turn affects the entire source field. So if one bypasses this process through erasing the engrams, can you say their vibrational level will still increase automatically because the engram is erased?

[Hervé]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Let me add this too, the point of emotional clearing is to raise one's vibrations through love, forgiveness and compassion which in turn affects the entire source field. So if one bypasses this process through erasing the engrams, can you say their vibrational level will still increase automatically because the engram is erased?

Yep! (to the question)

Reducing and erasing engrams turns "entheta" (enturbulated "theta") into "theta."

In other words, it frees up the theta energy that's locked in the engram, unaccounted for and doing its own business which is most of the time counter beneficial and against the "free theta" available to the being/spirit (cf. the "R6 implant").

It's another way to express that the energy put out by the being for a certain purpose is being sucked into the engrams's circuits to produce/create the reverse of what one desired in the first place by hitting and thereby activating the "ridges" (the "filters" one sees the world through like pink colored glasses) one has in his/her field.

The latter gives another way of looking at what really feeds off one's energy and vampirizes it... you know, archons, demons, devils, angels, etc... It's like one thinks one is just plugging-in one's computer into the WWW and well protected behind a cascade of firewalls but, instead, the firewalls automatically plugs the computer into NSA's, CIA's, FBI's, KGB's, Mossad's, DVD's, MI6, DGRST's, Stasi's, , SKVD, etc... networks.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Let me add this too, the point of emotional clearing is to raise one's vibrations through love, forgiveness and compassion which in turn affects the entire source field. So if one bypasses this process through erasing the engrams, can you say their vibrational level will still increase automatically because the engram is erased?

Yep! (to the question)

Endorsed.

This is exactly what happens.

[we-R-one]

bloody hell, that's cheating! lmao....