Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

i was watching TV once. i think the program was called 'real TV',
and the vid they were showing was of a black dog that had been walking on a frozen lake or something,
and had fallen through the ice. it was fighting a losing battle trying to get out of the water.

a rescuer managed to get over to it, and after a while, got the dog into a boat,
at which point, the dog bit him on the face.
you see, the rescuer knew that the dog was frightened after having gone through a stressful ordeal
and was not bothered at all about the bite.

i reckon that it should be known by now, that if ANYONE comes onto this scene,
they will get both supported AND flamed by a people who have been bullsh*tted and disinformed,
and who's BS meters are by now on overdrive.

and in terms of the size of the 'thing' he say's he is trying to do,
why is he (as an ex military man) allowing himself to be distracted by something that is miniscule in comparison.
why is he threatening those whom he is trying to liberate, with the very system he is trying to take down?

sorry sarge, the mission failed because some school kids started calling me names through the bars of a playground fence.
we had to move to litigation....

needless to say, both rescuer and dog lived to tell the tale


PS, i am neither for or against him.

Lets face it folks, nobody REALLY knows anything - this is all based on hearsay, supposition and opinion.

I for one simply recommend listening to EVERY piece of the puzzle as offered, keep an open but critical mind, and unless you are bringing another piece to the puzzle, or offering a better alternative for us to consider, why not wait and see what picture the pieces are building into?

Just because you THINK you've already figured out what the picture is, doesn't mean you are correct. The thing about points of view is that EVERYONE had one - so endless debate about whose is correct is diversive and couter-productive.

If you have a real and actionable plan to end global tyranny, please share those plans - or at very least try to be supportive of those who risk their life at most, or reputation at least to move us in that direction.

*PEACE*

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These plans are merely tilting at windmills.

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At least windmills don't shoot back :).

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Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction...

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/alternat...revolution.jpg

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Me also think that there are too many strawmen lying on the battlefield in various state of decompositon... check this 9eagle9's post to learn what that means: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post483567

The biggest surprise of my recent life came when George Bush Jr. was elected for his second term. My jaw dropped upon learning that most people in America could not see the man for what he was.
Apparently, most people cannot see through the rhetoric.

Revolutions never have been successful. Even the American Revolution, can now be seen to be a failure.
The only revolution that can be successful is the one that goes on within the individual.

True, most do not consider that the present u.s. government is a de facto entity. Belief often times trumps fact.
Removing the present pseudo government is not the plan. The plan is to wait until the psuedo (de facto) government falls on it face.
It is ultimately rotten to the core. The house of cards will topple under its own weight due to the fraud that is woven through it.
Its about re-creating the de jure form of government (with people) that will fill the void that will be created when de facto falls. It will not be removed, it will be replaced after it dissolves away from the weight of its own death. This is how it will be peaceful. Many of those that work for the de facto will make the transition to the de jure in order to keep paying their bills.
There is no plan to oppose the present pseudo government. The plan is entirely about making the transition when the de facto disintegrates.

The real essence of change will be a bottom-up affair.

turiya

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Calling the present government a "pseudo government" doesn't make it so in the minds of those who voted it in. Changing the meanings of words to suit your own purposes doesn't work when at least 80% of the people won't believe you. One of the problems with people who have seen through the illusion is that they often thing everyone SHOULD be able to see it the same way they see it. It doesn't work that way. Most people will consider Drake and his "group" to be a small group of disruptive and potentially treasonous terrorists who have already stated that there will be bloodshed involved in this overthrow of the government. Just because you say they are "restoring the legitimate government" by removing the pseudo government, doesn't make it so. Just because they say it will be as peaceful as possible doesn't mean it won't be a violent process.

Personally I don't care what happens but I do occasionally get overwhelmed by the ongoing irrational behavior of those who ignore the consensus reality. We cannot change their reality or their government. We are living within their consensus reality, within the matrix. The brainwashing is well established in 80-90% of humans. Those of us who refuse to accept the ultimate power of the matrix might be better advised to implement a different reality on a personal level, with friends, perhaps a community level.... instead of attempting to change the consensus reality with such grand and sweeping plans of a complete overthrow and arrest of the cabal, elites, politicians, etc. These plans are merely tilting at windmills.

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Besides- that is not what I heard... what I heard Drake say is that the Dragon family took exception to something that was said and was warning the 'offender' that if THEY decided to deal with it in a public manner - it would go thru the courts, but if THEY decided to deal with it in a private manner- 'the offender' might want to try to vanish...

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Ah - so Drake did not threaten to send the Dragons after us; rather he warned us the Dragons might (perhaps of their own choice) come after us.

If that's the case, then Drake is not implying he is still connected to the Dragons. He's only implying that he has some knowledge of how the Dragons might react.

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I may be wrong, Paul, but the way I heard it, he had been in contact with them and was waiting for a phone call or some kind of contact back.

Jeez... I guess there's nothing else for it, I'm going to have listen to it again! :rolleyes:

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Yes, have just listened again, and his association with them is stated twice.

At one point when Drake is talking about the Illuminati, he refers to the White Dragons and says "I know some of these people and they have instructions for dismemberment on sight," meaning the White Dragons would dismember the member of the Illuminati.

But further on, the association is even more clear, when Drake says:

"You have denigrated the Dragon Families and the people associated with them ... I'll be in touch with them in the next couple of days to find out what they want to do about it."

And then he goes on to say that WDF might want to resort to legal action, or "you might want to pack your bags and leave town ..."

So the legal means or use of violence will be the choice of the WTF.... but they will have been triggered into action by Drake's phone call or email.... because he is still associated with them.

QED...I think! :cool:

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QED...I think! :cool:

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Sounds ... er eh reads ... that way to me too.

Thanks.

Hi guys i have been away for a while up the mountains with nature and trying to catch up.

I have just listened to Drakes radio Audio.

It appears some here are taking Drake's words way out of context, Listen to the audio again.

His gripe is not with Avalon or the thread that Vivek created, In fact he compliments the thread and the research and the feedback from most of the members
who responded on that thread. He is pissed off that a few of members have twisted his truth. Calling him a liar when he answered his own truth. There are a few untruths he would like to put right.

Give him the space to do this.

For some reason which i am not in the know as to why he is has taken offence to Kerry and Project Camalot. It seems this was due to a recent radio interview which Kerry was a guest on.

Why do some here waste so much treasured energy bringing down another beings efforts to assist humanity and our planet for the benefit of all. I cannot comprehend.

Be at peace within yourselves then you can be at peace with all.

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I follow my heart dear. If I would let it rip upon you or Vivek I would most probably be expelled from here. It is quite clear that you and him have backing from Bill Ryan and Paul.

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Come on Stan, this is divisive. You know that anyone can stick to the facts and debate issues here, as long as they keep perrsonal attacks out of it.

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I rest my case. I cannot speak freely here as you know. That is the liberty you take here with descent people here. If we had a level playing field here I would take you guys on in a serious debate, however my hands are tied behind my back and you ****ing people know it.

Stan

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The playing field IS level Stan. Go ahead, take it on. Take me on, take Unified Serenity on, take Vivek on, take anyone you want on. Be prepared with the facts and be able to support them, and you're ON

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Hi Gripreaper, you have much more knowledge than me of all the laws in the USA. I also have read a lot of your posts on other subjects of which you have great understanding on. I couldn't in any way put up a decent argument agaist you my friend. Consider my towel being thrown into the ring here. I have never made any claims that I have knowledge of Law in USA, for that matter I haven't got a clue either about sovereignty in USA or in Britain or Scotland. Therefore if I don't know anything about something I have only my intuition to rely on. In the case of Drake, my ears like what I hear from him and my heart warms as he speaks on behalf of the people. I don't trust politicians either whether they are from the USA or Britain. The people of the world have been duped into believing what the elite/cabal wish on them. It is about time these things went into an opposite state. Whether the big clean up happens, the way Drake says it will or not, remains to be seen. It could fail, I agree and I am not willing to speculate on what the reasons for it are. Anything is possible. After hearing Drake last night I felt warm in my heart and was dismayed at all the naysayers comments. I may have overstated my feelings too much and I now appologise if I have offended anyone. Truly. It is not in my nature to debate just for debating sake. I prefer sharing ideas, and arriving at a clearer picture and prefer not to be confrontational if you don't mind.

Stan

Stan,

You have it right, my friend! Stay true to your heart. It is your voice of reason amongst the murky depths of fear and doubt.

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Hi guys i have been away for a while up the mountains with nature and trying to catch up.

I have just listened to Drakes radio Audio.

It appears some here are taking Drake's words way out of context, Listen to the audio again.

His gripe is not with Avalon or the thread that Vivek created, In fact he compliments the thread and the research and the feedback from most of the members
who responded on that thread. He is pissed off that a few of members have twisted his truth. Calling him a liar when he answered his own truth. There are a few untruths he would like to put right.

Give him the space to do this.

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Hi BillyJi

Maybe that mountain air has gone to your head...I don't know, but you seem to be listening to a different radio show than I and others did, in which Drake states very clearly that his beef is about the LORD being associated with the Illuminati. So unless you have a personal line to him, and he's moving the goalposts, he is threatening to sue this website, this forum and just about anyone who posted in that thread.

So could you say from where you gained the impression you gave above?

However, while on the subject of the LORD and the Nahash Illuminati, that information came from a link on Drake's own site.

I'm quoting from the OP in that thread, Who Is Drake: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon.

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You should be at this page now (this next quote was not made by Drake, nor was it taken directly from his website, it is from a link on a website of his): http://wayback.archive.org/web/jsp/I...eely%2Fae.html

Scroll to the bottom again and you will find this:

Quote: These will be comprehensive to the initiates of the Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon (the original Nahash Illuminati) obviously anyone stumbling upon these serious meaningful equations will need the backround info of The Code Of The Ancients...

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In other words, Drake is threatening to set the White Dragons (who he claims not to be associated with) on various people for the 'crime' of repeating information they found through a link on his own website.

The man needs to get a grip.

Two depictions of the same event?

Here, we know of Drake's take on it.

Now, here is the other side of the same coin from Stan Deyo site:


May 4, 2012
Douglas J. Hagmann
Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. and Northeast Intelligence Network



1ST PAGE

• Civil war is coming to the US, and there's no stopping it
• DHS prepping for economic collapse and money will be worthless.
• Never seen it this bad; everyone is talking about what they personally will do.
• DHS brass don't care and are conducting overt actions in plain sight. Most incoming troops are not for training (some are) but as part of a larger force.
• All know BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) is constitutionally illegitimate.
• All in Congress know this, and their families are being threatened to keep them quiet.
• High level News Corp. people talked to the highest at DHS and TSA. The plan is to get people conditioned to seeing troops, paramilitary – get them conditioned to being searched.
• Dollar will collapse – that will be the bigger event. The trigger event starts in Europe and then heads here. When we see that – start counting because we have only days left.
• Bernanke / Geitner / top level bankers will be in hiding.
• Election year – watch BHO's body language. Does he look afraid of not getting elected? "WTF wake up."

2ND PAGE

• Then race riots, class riots.
• Farrakhan is on DIA payroll and he will help start these riots.
• Then Civil War, not sporadic riots and uprisings here and there.
• There will be no food – no ETMs – no gas.
• People will RUN to camps for assistance.
• Guns must be abandoned and left with police in order to get food.
• BHO & Bernanke are behind every stupid economic move.
• Something with China troops here, but China debt to be called in – 5.5 trillion total.
• Rosebud: How easy will will it be to quell 300+ million people?
  No, the question is: How easy will it be to quell 300+ STARVING people who are unprepared?
• Shoot to kill orders during collapse will be given to the police.
• End of meeting
• More later. Said next meeting 5 May (Sat.) outside of DC. Call Sunday.

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Corroborating event: Newly elected French president Francois Hollande is working at dumpimg the US dollar and at joining the BRICS nations (see: France to join BRICS nations?)

Are both real?

One disinfo of the other?

Which one?

Both disinfo?

Hi Folks - I wrote a letter to Drake and posted it in Vivek's thread... I hope I did good here, justoneman

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post483690

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Hi Gripreaper, you have much more knowledge than me of all the laws in the USA. I also have read a lot of your posts on other subjects of which you have great understanding on. I couldn't in any way put up a decent argument agaist you my friend. Consider my towel being thrown into the ring here. I have never made any claims that I have knowledge of Law in USA, for that matter I haven't got a clue either about sovereignty in USA or in Britain or Scotland. Therefore if I don't know anything about something I have only my intuition to rely on. In the case of Drake, my ears like what I hear from him and my heart warms as he speaks on behalf of the people. I don't trust politicians either whether they are from the USA or Britain. The people of the world have been duped into believing what the elite/cabal wish on them. It is about time these things went into an opposite state. Whether the big clean up happens, the way Drake says it will or not, remains to be seen. It could fail, I agree and I am not willing to speculate on what the reasons for it are. Anything is possible. After hearing Drake last night I felt warm in my heart and was dismayed at all the naysayers comments. I may have overstated my feelings too much and I now apologize if I have offended anyone. Truly. It is not in my nature to debate just for debating sake. I prefer sharing ideas, and arriving at a clearer picture and prefer not to be confrontational if you don't mind.

Stan

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Stan, I think you will find that most here are in total agreement with the "sentiment" of... The planet needs a change, a complete paradigm shift, a unified effort, a decentralization of power, a local community grass roots effort, and living from the heart. You have been very clear that this is your intention and your dream for mankind. That is very honorable.

Yet, there is debate about how this transition might occur, how we each might participate, what it might look like, and what those who are claiming to have a plan and the answers are really doing. That is healthy too.

I have made it perfectly clear that I want to see a complete tear down of the existing system, with a totally new paradigm, not based on "weights and measures" indexed to precious metals commodities, or a similar hierarchical pyramid of power with new benevolent leaders at the top, in some type of global fashion. That "smacks" of having the potential to be a way to keep the original power intact and just clean out some second and third tier players as sacrificial lambs, and bring in the New World Order anyway.

Even if Drake is on the right track and there really is a contingent of 146 countries who want the same thing as you and I and almost everyone here at Avalon do, there is still the potential that this is a false flag. The elite we are attempting to unseat are ruthless psychopaths and do not reason, and will eat their own children to accomplish their goal. The foe we are attempting to unseat is not going to go quietly into the night, and I don't buy for a minute that they are "on the ropes" and losing their position of power.

How can they be losing their power if they own and control everything? So what if they owe a bunch of old dynastic families trillions in gold that they cannot pay and they've been "liened" and asked to stop doing what they have been doing for thousands of years. They DO NOT CARE about any of that crap because they truly believe that they are the gods of this planet, they own it, and everything on it is just chattel for their enjoyment and use.

The rules do not apply to them and they could give a crap less about them. So, unless we claim our sovereignty, stand in solidarity against them with enough energy to change that paradigm, it's going to take awhile. A handful of Fulford Ninja's, or even the military is not enough. It requires enough energy of the people to WANT to be sovereign.

In regards to sovereignty, I recommend you grab your favorite libation and set aside a few hours and watch the movie Avatar. Also, listen to the one hour with Santos Bonacci I have linked in last nights thread started here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...277#post483277

Lover ya Stan, really do.

I came to this forum because I had heard it was a positive place. Looking at all the hoopla over Drake just makes me wonder.. I've always said that the only thing that separates the far left and the far right is semantics. I stand by that. Cynicism and constant picking at something because you can to attempt to discredit what could be the best thing to happen to this country since God only knows when... is just negativity.that's wht the media and Faux news has done from day one. Has anyone cosidered that there might well be COINTEL pro advocates here putting out negativity to dissuade folks from having hope. If it smells of fear I back away...
. why not take a wait and see attitude, why not give the man the benefit of the doubt.. why not listen and really hear his vocal intonations etc.. The more I am online the more I want to hang out with my garden. Nothing personal nothing derogatory..just my preferences. Spinach is at least nourishing..

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In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.

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Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no". No need for me to explain my past.

If you ask if I was ever a student at Reed College, I would answer truthfully "yes".

In a complex interaction (with a bit of pink smoke) it might be unobvious which question Drake answered with his simple "no".

With my lousy hearing, I have no way, short of a careful and complete transcript, to know what question Drake was answering. And as I say, it might not even be obvious in this case with a good hearing or a good transcript.

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Thank You, Paul... was the position I always took on the matter. I thought the constant labeling of Drake as a "liar" was a terrible disservice to our posting community.

Drake sounds so much like Draco -- & then there's the 'Dragon' /Reptilian thing -- the Dracos are having fun w/y'all, imo -- they like to see how gullible Humans are

PS -- also a good diversion from the fact that your planet is being nuked

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In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.

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Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no".

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But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least? ;)

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Of all the excellent posts you have made and your quite vast knowledge of the past and your acumen as a shaman, it really surprises me how important it is that you label Drake a "liar." It truly has taken on the flair of a witch hunt Ishtar and I say that with truly great respect... I have learned a lot from you and you have helped me raise my awareness and consciousness a lot. This seems so out of character for you. Anyway, I appreciate your input regardless of my agreement on this one.

My take on Drake's talk from yesterday, 5/6, is that he's threatening only Kerry, Camelot, posters on Camelot and staff, at least from the talk yesterday. I don't know if he's threatened anyone on Avalon, but the absurdity of his threatened lawsuit means he could threaten anyone who has posted against him or defamed him, in his mind.

This is the first 11 minutes of the talk yesterday (for those who won't or can't listen to it) where he dealt with the potential for the lawsuits, the dragon societies, etc.

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Deatra (not Teri) talks in the intro about Drake not being god or the messiah. Then she talks about clearing up info about the blog written on Camelot. She then asks him to address that post. She says he’s not the only one they’ve demonized and victimized.

Drake says: “some of the information is correct. Information-wise they’ve made a couple of glaring errors. One of the things I see that they really are adept at doing is creating controversy by taking a snip out of somebody’s overall conversation and saying “SEE, I told you he was nasty!” sort of thing. Clearly childish in some ways but it put an interesting political spin on it.

Now…I was a member of a group of veterans called the Vietnam Brotherhood. They state in that post that I was the founder of it, which I AM NOT. Now…what they don’t know is that these people are very sensitive about that and I’ll be surprised if they don’t file in conjunction with me the lawsuit that’s probably gonna come at you.

The second part of this is where they accuse me of being an Illuminati. I really take issue with that because I am not a baby torturing thingamabob that most of the Illuminati are. They accuse me of this because I at one time was affiliated with a group known as Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon. Now…anybody that’s done any homework, listened to anything and paid attention at all has heard of the White Dragon Society. They have heard of the Families. That’s what this pertains to. It does not have diddly squat to do with the Illuminati.

The Illuminati won't go near those people for one fact; their orders from the higher ups in those groups to dismember them on sight. And I guarantee you, I know a few of these people and they are very much capable of doing just exactly that.

Now, I asked to post on the website [Camelot] as a response to what they’ve posted. I had to register so that I could post. It takes 3 days to a week or so, or whenever they feel like it to authorize my capability to post on that website. Okay, well…the problem with that is that whenever you come out with intentionally misleading and blatantly, knowingly false information and you broadcast it on a website that covers areas that go across state lines, it’s not a local defamation of character, traffic ticket deal…it goes to federal court! Within the realms of the Federal Government, which I don’t like very much anyway, but might serve a purpose… there are things called terrorism that I don’t think you want to deal with, in terms of that website. [Camelo]. Some of the things that have been posted, some of the things that have been done there recently under it’s present management in control, are such that both cans of worms are opened. Both the litigation and to the summary removal of the website for activities opposite the betterment or continuation or continuity of government. So….you may be in a lot more trouble than you think.

I have not considered yet whether I am going to take these actions. I’m considering how and to what extent I want to take it. The individuals who are on the website, the individuals who posted, all of the people who can allow access to the website will all be held responsible in the case that I decide to litigate this. I’m presently seeking the advice and counsel of some legalists who are some of the finest in the world. We’ll see what their recommendation is. One of the things that I will not tolerate is that type of fun and games.

I do not propose to retaliate any further than this, IF it’s made available, and that is that I’m allowed to post corrections to that website on that specific proposition. And without the “I think so and maybe we’ll think about allowing you to post” part of it, as the admin that I talked to via email expressed in a permanent attachment to that particular post of my counter proposals to what was posted.

Now, I have talked to a couple of people and they’re having a little trouble correlating Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon with the Dragon Family. This goes to a secret society, royal bloodline that are the ones who kept the collateral accounts safe. Now that’s pretty awesome if you think about it. This is what we’re fighting against the present economic system about. These people have been stealing, leveraging, borrowing from these collateral accounts for years. Not only do they owe that but they also owe a per annum fee for portions of the allowed usage of the collateral accounts. At this point they cannot pay.

Well, the problem with the combination of that is the Illuminati would love to get their skinners on those accounts, simply so that they can continue to suppress the people. And the efforts of the website [Camelot] tend to show that these people seem to like that idea or they would not denigrate someone without doing research. Now, the research is simple. Anybody whose got a computer can look up the Vietnam Brotherhood and see that I’m not the owner. They don’t got one. And I was not the founder. I joined long after they started. Number two: anybody with a computer…and ya’know, you gotta be able to type a little bit, like L O R D …when you put that into the computer…Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon…look at the Royal Dragon society and then you’ll understand…because it is a loyalty oath to the morality involved in the lives lead by the people who were responsible, not only to but also for other people. For their betterment, to make sure their lives were not too unbearable. And this was done in a variety of ways and has been for thousands of years.

So you have denigrated the Dragon families and the people associated with them and this process. I’ll be in touch with them in the next couple of days to find out what they want to do about it. Now whether they take this personally or decide to do this publically, I don’t know yet. If it’s a public decision then this will probably go through the courts. If it’s a private decision, you might as well pack your bags and leave town. And that’s basically where this sits at this point.

I’m not personally going to address this other than officially from now on. By officially, that’s either through the courts or attorneys, attachments, etc. and things of this nature. As I said, when somebody tries to put me in bed with people that torture babies to death because they like to hear their squeals…it turns them on when they hear that noise… I don’t take [that] too kindly. Those people responsible, from my point of view at this point, should be held responsible for what they’ve done and I intend to see to it that they have a price to pay for their actions. And that’s basically all I’ve got to say on that subject."

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In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.

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Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no".

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But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least? ;)

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Of all the excellent posts you have made and your quite vast knowledge of the past and your acumen as a shaman, it really surprises me how important it is that you label Drake a "liar." It truly has taken on the flair of a witch hunt Ishtar and I say that with truly great respect... I have learned a lot from you and you have helped me raise my awareness and consciousness a lot. This seems so out of character for you. Anyway, I appreciate your input regardless of my agreement on this one.

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You replied to Paul's earlier post but there is a later one. I suggest you read my reply to Paul and Paul's further reply to me before labelling me as a someone on a witchhunt.

I am someone who has seen many Drakes in her life, and I know where what he is suggesting will lead ... there will be an enormous sacrifice for very little change, and I should have thought that how Drake has behaved in recent days should show you what sort of man he is. His default button is to bullying threats and violence ... he longs for the firing squads. He has threatened to shoot one person on sight. This man has a lot of pent up vengeance, and I can hear it in his voice. He is not a man that we should follow because we would be like lemmings going over the cliff. It has also been shown, from his words in last night's radio show, that he didn't tell the truth about his association with the White Dragon family.

I have been very honest and upfront about my opposition to Drake from the get-go and I've explained why, many many times.. .and I don't propose to repeat it all again here. You should listen to your own intuition. For me to go on a witch-hunt would be totally out of character ... you're right... so there has to be another reason.

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In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.

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Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no".

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But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least? ;)

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Of all the excellent posts you have made and your quite vast knowledge of the past and your acumen as a shaman, it really surprises me how important it is that you label Drake a "liar." It truly has taken on the flair of a witch hunt Ishtar and I say that with truly great respect... I have learned a lot from you and you have helped me raise my awareness and consciousness a lot. This seems so out of character for you. Anyway, I appreciate your input regardless of my agreement on this one.

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You replied to Paul's earlier post but there is a later one. I suggest you read my reply to Paul and Paul's further reply to me before labelling me as a someone on a witchhunt.

I am someone who has seen many Drakes in her life, and I know where what he is suggesting will lead ... there will be an enormous sacrifice for very little change, and I should have thought that how Drake has behaved in recent days should show you what sort of man he is. His default button is to bullying threats and violence ... he longs for the firing squads. He has threatened to shoot one person on sight. This man has a lot of pent up vengeance, and I can hear it in his voice. He is not a man that we should follow because we would be like lemmings going over the cliff. It has also been shown, from his words in last night's radio show, that he didn't tell the truth about his association with the White Dragon family.

I have been very honest and upfront about my opposition to Drake from the get-go and I've explained why, many many times.. .and I don't propose to repeat it all again here. You should listen to your own intuition. For me to go on a witch-hunt would be totally out of character ... you're right... so there has to be another reason.

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Ishtar, in part due to your posts, I have also further contemplated the what ifs if this Plan actually goes publicly operational and I have serious concerns - there very well be "an enormous sacrifice for very little change" - absolutely! All I am saying to you is that this "point" that he is a "liar" and that it goes on and on takes away from the good points you make! We aren't idiots here, we can see what he is or isn't as he puts himself in front of us all several times a week and for hours at a time. But also, you seem so hell bent to have others here agree with you as to the technical possibility "he lied" that it truly begins to look like a witch hunt. If you would move on from this and focus on the truly important possibilities that Drake may very well be a spokesman for a group that may very well try and pull off this action and what that could all mean for us then you are being super helpful.

I have my serious concerns about this action taking place. I do not see the rhetoric emulating my view as to how these "bad guys" should be handled nor if some type of "mass arrest" action is the right way to go.

And if this plan did indeed go publicly operational, I am very, very, very concerned that the new folks in charge would take improper actions against those they arrest. In fact, I think they simply allow the non earthly beings an easy escape route which allows them to find new hosts and probably find them right here on the very planet these Planners are trying to save!

Let's move on from this "liar" thing and focus on the truly important factors and possibilities about this plan thing. There's clearly some folks on board on this. The planners may go to the next stages. It may actually become a true, public event and that event may not go so well, indeed may be the worst thing that could possibly happen. Let's focus on those matters.

Opposition is one thing - all your valid points - especially the points that make Drake a little bit scary are very very very valid... but to base your opposition on him being a liar when its easy for others to see he is not technically a liar makes all your great points secondary and they should be primary.