Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[turiya]

"All words are lies" - turiya

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.

Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no". No need for me to explain my past.

If you ask if I was ever a student at Reed College, I would answer truthfully "yes".

In a complex interaction (with a bit of pink smoke) it might be unobvious which question Drake answered with his simple "no".

With my lousy hearing, I have no way, short of a careful and complete transcript, to know what question Drake was answering. And as I say, it might not even be obvious in this case with a good hearing or a good transcript.

[gripreaper]

Drake fired back. He sited de facto adjudication as one avenue for redress of his grievance about how his character "might" be defamed and the legal actions he "might" take.

Why would anyone want to go into the Crown's tribunal and adjudicate an inquisition with attorneys, who are agents for the Crown, to get remedy for defamation? The de facto courts, ALL courts for that matter, are inquisitions of debtors and there is no justice or civil liberty ANYWHERE in the court structure.

I challenge anyone here to show me where there is any type of structure on this planet for adjudicating true justice between two aggrieved parties, by unbiased peers of those who are in controversy. Isn't controversy, by it's very nature, divisive? Is not divisiveness and separation what we are hoping to move AWAY from while bringing forth a new paradigm?

Drake should know better than to fan these flames.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TURIYA (here)
"All words are lies" - turiya

That depends on the listener as well as the speaker/writer.

Words can be used to help convey truth, between two people inclined to be sympathetically tuned to that truth.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.

Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no".

But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least?

[tenacity1]

so what should Drake have done? Remained silent? I don't think so. As one who had to stand up for myself and others I can tell you that some circumstances call for heroic action taken not for oneself but for everyone. Sometimes, you have to stop thinking of yourself and give so others can live. I still have hope that this will come. I've waited 20 years to see redress of grievances . I've seen too many people die in our culture of social Darwinism.. I will always hold out hope that the LIght shall win. To do otherwise would be to cast myself into the abyss of abject cynicism and dark thoughts. We can choose to be the LIGHT or we can wait to see the LIGHT.. what will you do?

[turiya]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Drake fired back. He sited de facto adjudication as one avenue for redress of his grievance about how his character "might" be defamed and the legal actions he "might" take.

Why would anyone want to go into the Crown's tribunal and adjudicate an inquisition with attorneys, who are agents for the Crown, to get remedy for defamation? The de facto courts, ALL courts for that matter, are inquisitions of debtors and there is no justice or civil liberty ANYWHERE in the court structure.

I challenge anyone here to show me where there is any type of structure on this planet for adjudicating true justice between two aggrieved parties, by unbiased peers of those who are in controversy. Isn't controversy, by it's very nature, divisive? Is not divisiveness and separation what we are hoping to move AWAY from while bringing forth a new paradigm?

Drake should know better than to fan these flames.

http://www.ucadia.com/gen_laws.htm

[gripreaper]

Posted by aranuk (here)
I follow my heart dear. If I would let it rip upon you or Vivek I would most probably be expelled from here. It is quite clear that you and him have backing from Bill Ryan and Paul.

Come on Stan, this is divisive. You know that anyone can stick to the facts and debate issues here, as long as they keep perrsonal attacks out of it.

Posted by aranuk (here)
I rest my case. I cannot speak freely here as you know. That is the liberty you take here with descent people here. If we had a level playing field here I would take you guys on in a serious debate, however my hands are tied behind my back and you ****ing people know it.

Stan

The playing field IS level Stan. Go ahead, take it on. Take me on, take Unified Serenity on, take Vivek on, take anyone you want on. Be prepared with the facts and be able to support them, and you're ON

[NancyV]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
The hypocrisy here is overwhelming in its grandiosity and arrogant blindness.

Within the realms of the Federal Government, which I don't like very much anyway, but might serve a purpose, there are things called "terrorism" that I don't think you wanna deal with, in terms of that website, and some of the things that have been posted, some of the things that have been done there, recently, under its present management and control, are such that both cans of worms are open. Both the litigation and to the summary removal of the website for "activities that are opposite the betterment or continuation or continuity of government".

It reminds me of the phrase: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

What is Drake if not someone who wants to carry out "activities that are opposite the ..... continuation or continuity of government" ... the present elected one, anyway?

This shows that he will be yet another leader that shouts 'terrorist' every time someone says or does something that runs counter to his agenda.

If Drake had more sense he would think a bit more in depth about how his lawsuit would look in a court of law. "Your honor, the defendants (Kerry Cassidy and Vivek) have defamed my client. They slandered him and spoke against his claims that he has the backing of 90% of the military and a million men in militia and patriot groups who are preparing to arrest all politicians and high government officials up to and including the president of the United States. They will then replace them with a temporary government of their choice until elections can be held. These vile non believers had the audacity to question the legitimacy of Drakes word!"

Sounds like an overthrow of the government. Sounds like a coup (despite Drakes continual denial that it is a coup).

A coup d'état (English: /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, French: [ku deta]; plural: coups d'état; translation: strike (against the) state, literally: strike/blow of state)—also known as a coup, putsch, and overthrow—is the sudden, illegal deposition of a government, usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another body; either civil or military.

Oh....he says it's not "illegal" since he's just restoring the constitution which all military men have sworn an oath to uphold. Technically he's correct, but technically won't win him a court case. Wesley Snipes was "technically" correct that he shouldn't have to file income taxes, but he now admits he was naive as he's serving his 3 year sentence for failing to file for 10 years.

Bringing a lawsuit against Kerry or anyone else because they refuse to believe his most probably inflated if not outright lying claims would likely get Drake arrested for sedition or treason, whether it is technically true or not. His threats are so much hot air, just like his claims that arrests will happen by the end of June. But he has put out veiled threats of what could be construed as bodily harm with his talk of retribution from the dragon family or group. Threatening bodily harm is illegal. It may be a minor offense but it will be on Drake's record if someone decides to charge him for his threats.

It looks like threatening is a standard operating procedure for Drake. "If you talk against me you could be hurt!" Well...at least that's more honest than the veiled threats from the present government. It's like the difference between the illusion of a democracy and just having an honest tyrant who says believe me or suffer the consequences.

[gripreaper]

Posted by TURIYA (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Drake fired back. He sited de facto adjudication as one avenue for redress of his grievance about how his character "might" be defamed and the legal actions he "might" take.

Why would anyone want to go into the Crown's tribunal and adjudicate an inquisition with attorneys, who are agents for the Crown, to get remedy for defamation? The de facto courts, ALL courts for that matter, are inquisitions of debtors and there is no justice or civil liberty ANYWHERE in the court structure.

I challenge anyone here to show me where there is any type of structure on this planet for adjudicating true justice between two aggrieved parties, by unbiased peers of those who are in controversy. Isn't controversy, by it's very nature, divisive? Is not divisiveness and separation what we are hoping to move AWAY from while bringing forth a new paradigm?

Drake should know better than to fan these flames.

http://www.ucadia.com/gen_laws.htm

Turiya, the "Rule of Law" is still patriarchal and is still part of the problem, although I did site Ucadia as a great resource. I think Frank O'Collin's is on the right track, but is still stuck in the paradigm of the rule of law.

See my thread I started last night here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...277#post483277

[turiya]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by TURIYA (here)
"All words are lies" - turiya

Words can be used to help convey truth, between two people inclined to be sympathetically tuned to that truth.

Words can be used to help carry the truth, but cannot be the truth. "The Tao that is said is not the true Tao" - Lao Tzu

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person for revealing that you were once a student there, wouldn't that imply that there is still an assocation with Reed College ...maybe through the Alumni, at least?

It might raise reasonable suspicions that there was still an association, but I don't think it logically implies that.

I might want to hide/deny the fact that I was ever a student at Reed, even though I have no association now.

For some better examples, in this forum, I might want to deny/hide the fact that I ever supported the Bush/Cheney presidency and the War on Terror, post 9/11. Or, when I was a very active member on FreeRepublic.com (a forum that is strongly pro-Bush and the War on Terror), I might have wanted to deny/hide the fact that I ever supported the Democrat party and the radical feminist agenda of the National Organization for Women (including being on the Board of Directors of Atlanta NOW.)

Associations and allegiances can shift, dramatically. That I do know.

[Lost N Found]

My goodness, just look, just feel all the energy that is flowing through this thread. I think if I could just dive into this computer (TRON) I could do anything by using the energy. Granted, there is the positive and the negative but in essance it is all one. I am going to levitate today. I really love all of this energy moving along. Drake, Drake, Drake, look what you have done. Just poping on the scene has brought so many folks together in this energy stream. Just look at the billions and trillions of brain cells that are clicking together. What can we do now?

YvonneG, you are so right, start right down in the local community, it does make a hugh difference. Now if we can pull this much energy together on this thread, just think what we can do around us in our communities.

All who are here, I thank you so much for bringing all of this energy. All of your knowledge.

Peace be to all

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
But if you then threatened to set the bullyboys of Reed College on to a person ...

Aham - on rereading your post - yes - if I threatened to have some Reedies get after you, that would suggest I still had a connection with Reed.

Good point .

[xbusymom]

Posted by YvonneG (here)
NO ONE IS TAKING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Criminals within the government and banksters who have helped bring us the current set of affairs in our country and in our world killing innocent people in other countries, stealing their resources and not to mention our rights...they are the ones that are going down. NOT OUR GOVERNMENT.

THANK YOU!, YvonneG... our current Government is a psuedo-government!!!

If you all keep discussing things at least keep tell it like is. This going back and forth is feeding the negativity...the fear. The most honest thing anyone can say is that we don't know for sure.

stop making it easy for THEM to divide and conquer US...

And Drake is not threatening. He obviously knows his rights.

Besides- that is not what I heard... what I heard Drake say is that the Dragon family took exception to something that was said and was warning the 'offender' that if THEY decided to deal with it in a public manner - it would go thru the courts, but if THEY decided to deal with it in a private manner- 'the offender' might want to try to vanish...

I will end this with a quote from David Wilcock's blog

[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.

** and NO- I havent decided for myself one way or t'other on this issue... the only thing I have decided to do is keep a positive mindset for "the best outcome for all concerned".

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by xbusymom (here)
Besides- that is not what I heard... what I heard Drake say is that the Dragon family took exception to something that was said and was warning the 'offender' that if THEY decided to deal with it in a public manner - it would go thru the courts, but if THEY decided to deal with it in a private manner- 'the offender' might want to try to vanish...

Ah - so Drake did not threaten to send the Dragons after us; rather he warned us the Dragons might (perhaps of their own choice) come after us.

If that's the case, then Drake is not implying he is still connected to the Dragons. He's only implying that he has some knowledge of how the Dragons might react.

[turiya]

Ah! Thank you, gripreaper, for those youtube links. Haven't seen these.
Am viewing them at this moment.
Turiya

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by TURIYA (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Drake fired back. He sited de facto adjudication as one avenue for redress of his grievance about how his character "might" be defamed and the legal actions he "might" take.

Why would anyone want to go into the Crown's tribunal and adjudicate an inquisition with attorneys, who are agents for the Crown, to get remedy for defamation? The de facto courts, ALL courts for that matter, are inquisitions of debtors and there is no justice or civil liberty ANYWHERE in the court structure.

I challenge anyone here to show me where there is any type of structure on this planet for adjudicating true justice between two aggrieved parties, by unbiased peers of those who are in controversy. Isn't controversy, by it's very nature, divisive? Is not divisiveness and separation what we are hoping to move AWAY from while bringing forth a new paradigm?

Drake should know better than to fan these flames.

http://www.ucadia.com/gen_laws.htm

Turiya, the "Rule of Law" is still patriarchal and is still part of the problem, although I did site Ucadia as a great resource. I think Frank O'Collin's is on the right track, but is still stuck in the paradigm of the rule of law.

See my thread I started last night here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...277#post483277

[Ishtar]

Posted by eyeswideopen (here)
My goodness, just look, just feel all the energy that is flowing through this thread. I think if I could just dive into this computer (TRON) I could do anything by using the energy. Granted, there is the positive and the negative but in essance it is all one. I am going to levitate today. I really love all of this energy moving along. Drake, Drake, Drake, look what you have done. Just poping on the scene has brought so many folks together in this energy stream. Just look at the billions and trillions of brain cells that are clicking together. What can we do now

"Drake, Drake, Drake, look what you have done."

Adoramus te. Glorificamus te. Gratias agimus tibi
Propter magnam gloriam tuam. Domine Deus, Rex coelestis,
Deus Pater omnipotens. Domine Fili unigenite, Drake!


Why are thanking Drake for something that goes on here 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and has done for years? We just happen to be applying our energy in his direction at the moment, not least because he's threatening us. Next week, it will be someone or something else.

We don't need a Drake for us to discuss these issues. We've been well aware of them all for a long time. Maybe these issues are new to you, and Drake introduced you to them. But you can't assume what others know from your own experience.

As Terri said last night, at the beginning of the broadcast, some of you need to stop thinking of Drake as God, which also means letting go of the doctrine that anyone who disagrees with his 'plan' (I won't dignify it with an upper case P) is obviously in the grip of evil entities. (That last directed at Yvonne).

This is called healthy debate. I don't know if you have this on the Freedom Reigns forum but this is what it looks like.

You could engage with it positively and in a self-determined, independent thinking way if you could let go of the idea that to do so would be somehow blasphemous to Drake.

[NancyV]

Calling the present government a "pseudo government" doesn't make it so in the minds of those who voted it in. Changing the meanings of words to suit your own purposes doesn't work when at least 80% of the people won't believe you. One of the problems with people who have seen through the illusion is that they often think everyone SHOULD be able to see it the same way they see it. It doesn't work that way. Most people will consider Drake and his "group" to be a small group of disruptive and potentially treasonous terrorists who have already stated that there will be bloodshed involved in this overthrow of the government. Just because you say they are "restoring the legitimate government" by removing the pseudo government, doesn't make it so. Just because they say it will be as peaceful as possible doesn't mean it won't be a violent process.

Personally I don't care what happens but I do occasionally get overwhelmed by the ongoing irrational behavior of those who ignore the consensus reality. We cannot change their reality or their government. We are living within their consensus reality, within the matrix. The brainwashing is well established in 80-90% of humans. Those of us who refuse to accept the ultimate power of the matrix might be better advised to implement a different reality on a personal level, with friends, perhaps a community level.... instead of attempting to change the consensus reality with such grand and sweeping plans of a complete overthrow and arrest of the cabal, elites, politicians, etc. These plans are merely tilting at windmills.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by xbusymom (here)
Besides- that is not what I heard... what I heard Drake say is that the Dragon family took exception to something that was said and was warning the 'offender' that if THEY decided to deal with it in a public manner - it would go thru the courts, but if THEY decided to deal with it in a private manner- 'the offender' might want to try to vanish...

Ah - so Drake did not threaten to send the Dragons after us; rather he warned us the Dragons might (perhaps of their own choice) come after us.

If that's the case, then Drake is not implying he is still connected to the Dragons. He's only implying that he has some knowledge of how the Dragons might react.

I may be wrong, Paul, but the way I heard it, he had been in contact with them and was waiting for a phone call or some kind of contact back.

Jeez... I guess there's nothing else for it, I'm going to have listen to it again!

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by NancyV (here)
These plans are merely tilting at windmills.

At least windmills don't shoot back .