"I Was There"... Imagine, John Lennon Isn't Dead!

[conk]

Lennon would look much older than this guy. He doesn't really look like Lennon either, only mildly so.

[Valley]

Welcome... These vids are from several years ago, but perhaps he's been taking very good care of himself... gardening, eating well, meditation, sleeping well, etc.
Like this woman here...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=O6oJA_xhTa8

Posted by conk (here)
Lennon would look much older than this guy. He doesn't really look like Lennon either, only mildly so.

Have you looked at all data/evidence in the PDF file and have any comments on that? Noone seems to want to look at the data there... seems rather odd to me on a site like this.

[Sean]

Lennon is dead and McCartney is really McCartney.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

[Valley]

Welcome...
You think so... but unless we were there ourselves how can one be so sure? I don't think "everything is a conspiracy", as you say... not even close. Have you seen me speak of any other here on Avalon? Have you looked at all the data in the PDF file yet?... Anything to comment on that material? Nobody has addressed any of it yet... and McCartney was never mentioned here until you brought him up.

But, on the lighter side... What did you think of the music posted from the movie?... What do you think of 'Staycer's' Lennon?

Peace...
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Here's an interview with the director of the movie, Peter McNamee, which includes other songs from the soundtrack, and several audio clips from the movie.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FfEQ9S50GpU

(Has anyone else seen or heard of this movie before, "Let Him Be"? Haven't watched yet myself, as I just discovered this a couple days ago.)

Posted by workingactor (here)
Lennon is dead and McCartney is really McCartney.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

[Valley]

Happy Birthday Bro!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wNcJ3jYOQGg

...And one more new song from movie, Let Him Be...
"Wrap Your Arms Around Me"...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MDsN5rXQpJ8

[transiten]

What do you mean? That Stacey is Lennon! NO WAY! Have you ever heared of talented imitators? We have that every Sunday on Swedish radio, and this one is not even a very talented one. I love Lennon and in the peacemovment I've sang Imagine hundreds of times. I'm also a voice coach, this guy doesn't have the timbre and glitches of Lennon, it's too hasty and the guitar playing is too stiff and although he is a look alike it's not him.

Also how would it be possible for Yoko Ono and his son Sean to fake this all these years? Or do you mean they don't know about this guy or that they are meeting now and then secretely?

[Valley]

Thanks for passing by and sharing your views Transiten... but have you looked at the extensive evidence discussed in the PDF file showing that 'Staycer' is most likely Lennon himself? The best evidence is towards the end of the file, so many probably never get that far.
The researcher of the info in the PDF file is professional portrait artist Miles Mathias. Here's one image he discusses in the PDF which seems to clearly show a doctored image of Lennon and alleged killer Mark Chapman... Chapman appears to be drawn in after the image was taken, and someone seems to have forgotten to 'draw in' one of his eyes and the top of his head is too short! This photo was supposed to have been evidence that Chapman was with Lennon just hours before the shooting.

[Mike Gorman]

This is simply clutching at straws - I can follow your reasoning, which is plausible in the theoretical 'N space' but there is too much weight against it being so-besides the similarity is only very superficial and the vocal signature is entirely different - I have known Lennon's appearance and voice since I was 5 years old - I'm 57, this just does not resonate with me at all-it's up to you what you believe but it is highly improbable!

[transiten]

Ok Valley, I started reading but had other things to do just then, I will read it through since I engaged myself in the first place and that a strong synchronicity happened in the other Lennon thread that made me pick up my guitar, open "Lennon the Solo Years" songbook singing/playing Imagine for the 1:st time in many years...

And 2 minutes after I now started reading my neighbour plays Imagine with John Lennon...

...and in the exact moment I read "screaming girls" my neighbours daughter starts screaming...

Now, should this imply that The Beatles didn't understand anything of this from start and then just couldn't or would not want to get out of being part of this psy-op-intelligence scheme? And I don't get if this article implies Lennons engagement in the peacemovement should have been all fake?

Since English is not my 1:st language and the plot is rather complicated I don't follow all the turns of selling publishing rights etc. I was surprised and blown away though by the thorough investigation of this guy but I have not the energy nor competence to decern whether it's corrrect.

Also I find it strange how someone who is not a psychopath can continue living with such a hughe lie and also Yoko Ono faking this Lennon memorial in Central Park and all the rest...

And the alleged murderer? Isn't he recognized by pple or has he had facial surgery right after the "killing"?

Would be interesting if someone else would care to read the PDF; am I the only one so far? I'm bewildered and don't know what to believe. I've been singing Imagine hundreds of times and now the writer says the lyrics were about destroying Christianity ...and that it might be others involved writing the lyrics..or am I - Mercury has not gained speed from retrogradation - misunderstanding that part?

[Valley]

I'm mainly just following the evidence in the PDF file that seems very straightforward to me... have you looked at that yet?
Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts/views.
Peace...

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
This is simply clutching at straws - I can follow your reasoning, which is plausible in the theoretical 'N space' but there is too much weight against it being so-besides the similarity is only very superficial and the vocal signature is entirely different - I have known Lennon's appearance and voice since I was 5 years old - I'm 57, this just does not resonate with me at all-it's up to you what you believe but it is highly improbable!

[transiten]

Posted by Valley (here)
I'm mainly just following the evidence in the PDF file that seems very straightforward to me... have you looked at that yet?
Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts/views.
Peace...

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
This is simply clutching at straws - I can follow your reasoning, which is plausible in the theoretical 'N space' but there is too much weight against it being so-besides the similarity is only very superficial and the vocal signature is entirely different - I have known Lennon's appearance and voice since I was 5 years old - I'm 57, this just does not resonate with me at all-it's up to you what you believe but it is highly improbable!

Of course I have read the PDF!? Otherwise I would not be able to ask the questions i did...I don't follow you now Oh sorry, I thought you were answering my post above

[Valley]

Yes, I was speaking to, and quoting GalaxyHorse, not you... but I found your previous posting quite interesting with those synchronicities you mentioned. As far as all your suppositions and questions... I think Lennon & Beatles were quite a positive influence for this world overall. If he's still around and the evidence which shows this, are the subjects I'm interested in and why I shared this with everyone here. The details surrounding his motives for 'disappearing' is something we're just speculating on here... maybe he was shot, but recovered in secret... maybe he was threatened at gunpoint by some 'Officials' and told to 'vanish' and was 'helped' to 'go underground'... I don't know. I wouldn't want to play any part in trying to diminish his character in any ways... I would just assume he had his own reasons which he felt were best at the time, or he was 'forced' to by some 'agency' or such.

The main thing I'd like everyone to consider is just to look at this information I recently discovered in this PDF file http://mileswmathis.com/lennon.pdf which points to a good likelihood that Lennon is still alive. All the personal speculations for motives in the PDF are not relevant to the fact that he could be still 'with us'... which I think he still is, after studying the data presented in this PDF.

All the Best...

PS... One *BONUS* Lennon tune

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qp9dc9im3-M

Posted by transiten (here)

Posted by Valley (here)
I'm mainly just following the evidence in the PDF file that seems very straightforward to me... have you looked at that yet?
Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts/views.
Peace...

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
This is simply clutching at straws - I can follow your reasoning, which is plausible in the theoretical 'N space' but there is too much weight against it being so-besides the similarity is only very superficial and the vocal signature is entirely different - I have known Lennon's appearance and voice since I was 5 years old - I'm 57, this just does not resonate with me at all-it's up to you what you believe but it is highly improbable!

Of course I have read the PDF!? Otherwise I would not be able to ask the questions i did...I don't follow you now Oh sorry, I thought you were answering my post above
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Ok Valley, I started reading but had other things to do just then, I will read it through since I engaged myself in the first place and that a strong synchronicity happened in the other Lennon thread that made me pick up my guitar, open "Lennon the Solo Years" songbook singing/playing Imagine for the 1:st time in many years...

And 2 minutes after I now started reading my neighbour plays Imagine with John Lennon...

...and in the exact moment I read "screaming girls" my neighbours daughter starts screaming...

Now, should this imply that The Beatles didn't understand anything of this from start and then just couldn't or would not want to get out of being part of this psy-op-intelligence scheme? And I don't get if this article implies Lennons engagement in the peacemovement should have been all fake?

Since English is not my 1:st language and the plot is rather complicated I don't follow all the turns of selling publishing rights etc. I was surprised and blown away though by the thorough investigation of this guy but I have not the energy nor competence to decern whether it's corrrect.

Also I find it strange how someone who is not a psychopath can continue living with such a hughe lie and also Yoko Ono faking this Lennon memorial in Central Park and all the rest...

And the alleged murderer? Isn't he recognized by pple or has he had facial surgery right after the "killing"?

Would be interesting if someone else would care to read the PDF; am I the only one so far? I'm bewildered and don't know what to believe. I've been singing Imagine hundreds of times and now the writer says the lyrics were about destroying Christianity ...and that it might be others involved writing the lyrics..or am I - Mercury has not gained speed from retrogradation - misunderstanding that part?

[transiten]

Hmmmm, interesting points, good material for a detective story. Check out the synchronicities that happened as I posted in the other Lennon thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1008424

Also the son of one of my best friends resembles Lennon a lot.

[Valley]

Ahhhh... nice to see some flexibility around here. You seem to have a special connection to Lennon for some reason... interesting.

All the Best...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pJplQmYlfgw

Posted by transiten (here)
Hmmmm, interesting points, good material for a detective story. Check out the synchronicities that happened as I posted in the other Lennon thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1008424

Also the son of one of my best friends resembles Lennon a lot.

[Akasha]

Thanks for starting this thread, Valley. Whilst reserving judgement on the is he/isn't he subject, I found the pdf fascinating, especially regarding Sgt. Pepper, and in particular the following paragraph:

Who is Sgt. Pepper? Well, just listen to the first line of the lyrics of the first song:

It was twenty years ago today, Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play.

The album came out in 1967, so twenty years ago it was 1947. First year of the CIA, which leads us in. Of course, the Beatles weren't American, they were British, so we should look at what the British Secret Service was up to in 1947. The research isn't difficult, which makes it all the more surprising no one has done it. Google on “Pepper MI6” and you find a Major John Pepper who was head of BSC in 1947. What is BSC? According to Wikipedia and Google Books, BSC is “the SIS cover organization in the United States.” SIS is just another name for MI6, the British equivalent of CIA. Pepper succeeded William Stephenson as chair of BSC. The BSC is the British Security Coordination, which even Wikipedia now admits was a covert organization set up in New York City in 1940 upon the authorization of Winston Churchill “to mobilize pro-British opinion in the US.” This “massive propaganda campaign” was mobilized from Rockefeller Center. It was supported by the OSS, the precursor of the CIA. The front for the BSC was the British Passport Control Office. Notable employees of BSC include Roald Dahl—who wrote Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (Willie Wonka), Ian Fleming (James Bond), the screenwriter Eric Maschwitz (later BBC and ITV head and creator of Doctor Who), Dorothy Maclean (Findhorn Foundation), and David Ogilvy (the father of advertising). As you can see from this list, the propaganda campaign extended into the arts, including literature and—as we now see—popular music. The Beatles themselves are telling you that the BSC “taught the band to play.”

Blue pill or red pill, anyone?

Watching the movie now. Why not? - it's Saturday night.

[Valley]

Welcome Akasha... and thanks for sharing your views. There is a lot of information in that pdf... the guy who wrote it offers many of his personal opinions mixed in with all the data he presents, so the file is rather good size. I'm more interested in the actual data, new movie, and new music than in the speculations and interpretations the author makes. I'll wait until I get more data so I don't jump to any false conclusions about all the reasonings for his 'apparent' survival.

Any thoughts on the song in the original post?

Peace...

PS... I also ordered a copy of the DVD for the movie "Let Him Be"... so I'll be sharing about that also after I see it.

[Circe]

John Lennon was a great Guy, a musical genius. Mark Staycer is an okay impersonator at best. John Lennon was murdered on Dec 8th 1980. I'm just a Beatles fan and John Lennon fan of over 47 years so what do I know?

[Valley]

Welcome Circe... Glad you've joined the conversation and shared your views. There's no need for us all to agree on any of this, so I won't argue with you... but any thoughts on what you think of the song in the original post, compared to a 'vintage' Lennon one? Would you be interested in watching the 2009 movie "Let Him Be"... which also suggests that Lennon could still be 'kickin'?

Here's a little comparison... same song... first Lennon, then 'Staycer'...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KkcRZSdc8us

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZQyi1zOFSA8

Posted by Circe (here)
John Lennon was a great Guy, a musical genius. Mark Staycer is an okay impersonator at best. John Lennon was murdered on Dec 8th 1980. I'm just a Beatles fan and John Lennon fan of over 47 years so what do I know?

Blessings...

[Valley]

Here's the full Lennon movie with the new music... Someone recently posted it up to YouTube. I just received the movie and 'Extras' DVDs and watched them a couple days ago... Highly recommended for any Lennon fan.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6sD2ajWzj8c

Also, here's another little musical clip from the 'Extras' DVD...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jvLsWFcK2Ck

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Valley (here)
Have a look at this evidence...http://mileswmathis.com/lennon.pdf

Miles Mathis just did a little update to this lennon.pdf, adding a second P.S., with a few more correlations that another reader noted.

I find the evidence Miles presents that the real Lennon lives, as shown in that 2009 "Let Him Be" movie, to be very compelling.

The couple dozen pages on related conspiracies involving Apple Music, Sony, Apple Computer, MI5, GCHQ, NSA, CIA, Blackrock, Blackstone, Michael Jackson, EMI, MCA, Rockefellers, etc, is also intriguing, and I suspect contains quite a bit of truth.