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    will share this here ...

    Quote Posted by giovonni (here)
    the latest ...

    Jeff Rense & Rebekah Roth - 9/11 ... Methodical Deception

    Clip from September 08, 2015 / Published on Sep 15, 2015


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    I don't think this has been posted , this should be interesting it starts with
    Christopher Bollyn 9/11 researcher followed by Rebekah Roth. John B Wells
    is a pretty good experienced well informed host...........

    Caravan To Midnight - Episode 369 A Methodical Deception



    Published on 18 Sep 2015

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    Episode 369 – In this edition we observe the 14th anniversary of the 9/11 attack
    alongside researcher and author Christopher Bollyn; followed by the return of Dame
    Rebekah Roth as she brings lots of new information concerning the aforementioned
    Methodical Deception.

    Buy This Caravan To Midnight Episode for 2.99
    http://caravantomidnight.com/product/...

    Former Host of Coast To Coast AM John B Wells is now in control on Caravan To Midnight

    ====================================================

    If you do not know who Chris is there are a couple of presentations on link below...

    Post # 19

    Christopher Bollyn 2015: ‘Solving 911 Ends the War’

    Wednesday 18th March 2015 at 07:14 By David Icke

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post945666
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Randy Maugans is another experienced host...


    OffPlanetTV - Randy Maugans talks to Rebekah Roth - 17 September 2015



    Published on 18 Sep 2015


    Support Free and Independent Media by purchasing a full HD copy of this show
    on www.ethimarket.com or go to our Network Support Fund at http://www.ethimarket.com/downloads/n...

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    The 2nd part after the midway break starts with Randy giving a
    good brief about other false flag and others events , then they
    carry on for a bit then 1:24 m they get into the Israeli Art student
    / bombers, withinstructions how to get to the picture on the link
    of the ' students' in the 91 story apartment in the tower.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    As hard as this might be to believe a group of foreign




    art students NOT U.S. Citizens managed to get temporary
    construction ID for the entire WTC complex. While there,
    they removed a window and extended a wooden balcony
    while their "sponsor" was in the Millenium Hotel taking
    photos, he also hired a helicopter to document the event.

    And only a retired flight attendant sees something fishy?




    Notice the BB-18 number for those fuse holders?
    http://www.littelfuse.com/~/media/el...owr_busbar.pdf


    What kind of ART project could these Israeli's be up to?


    Once a copy of this pass is in hand, one can be
    reproduced, a simple project for an artist.


    DEA report information HERE

    Click http://www.methodicaldeception.com/resource2.html

    More information on art students HERE....http://antiwar.com/rep/DEA_Report_redactedxx.pdf

    NY Times article HERE.....http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...ol_911_125.htm

    More from History Commons HERE....http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...e_911_timeline

    More spying info HERE....http://www.npr.org/templates/transcr...toryId=4785888

    http://www.methodicaldeception.com/resource2.html

    ===================================================
    ===================================================

    After this segment aprox 1:46 mins in they discuss 'Trolls and Parasites'....

    aprox 1:50 she mentions Bills interview ......About intel - surveillance

    Samson Option
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option




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    added later.......

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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Quote Posted by awakeningmom (here)
    Here's an interesting article about Roth's theories on the Truth & Shadows blog page. Paul Zarembka, a long time truth movement leader, tries to dissect whether Roth's claims about the planes all landing at Westover is feasible, given times of take-off, etc. An interesting read.

    https://truthandshadows.wordpress.co...lanes-on-9-11/

    Thanks for the link...yes an interesting read

    and after seeing this bit from it...

    Quote Roth is quite opposed, even violently so, to David Ray Griffin’s claim that calls could have been faked using voice morphing. Listen to her interview at Quantum Matrix Radio at around 23:30 and 53:10 until right after 1:05:03 when she threatens to leave the interview. In 2011, I also opposed Griffin on voice morphing, but never with her dogmatic tone (“Critique of David Ray Griffin regarding Calls from 9-11 Planes”; an error of mine regarding the Boeing 767 for AA 11 was corrected in a day, but the correction no longer appears on-line). In my case, I did not consider whether the calls came from the ground.

    Roth argues that passengers left on planes in Westover were gassed to death and that the Westover military airport had been evacuated beforehand. She claims that a reservist who was to be at the airport confirmed the closure to her. But Roth has not named the person who reported this, and so, in an evidentiary sense, it is simply hearsay. Even if it were fully confirmed, the question of establishing which planes went there would surface.

    I decided to listen to the Quantum Matrix Radio interview because, frankly, I am tired of the Bubbly, bright and breezy Roth (all the grinning and laughing while discussing mass murder feels disrespectful to me)

    Just listened to it...

    http://noliesradio.org/archives/96035


    Anyway very interesting for anyone who wants to take a closer look at all the stuff she is saying...

    starting around 01:01:00 ...Roth was claiming that hundreds of Airline people were getting in touch with her (every day) and were standing with her ..a couple of minutes or so later the interviewers suggested that a website for all these airline people to show support could be a good idea...similar to Architects and Engineers/ Pilots for truth, etc....one for flight attendants, pursers.. NAMED Airline people ....and Roth snapped - - 'this is bigger than a web site, this is the truth' ....

    OooooooKaaaay .......


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    I just finished the other two very good interviews above and
    commented on Bills Thread and was going to leave it for
    a while but this one started playing and I let it go.......
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    9/11 BOMBSHELL: METHODICAL DECEPTION -- Rebekah Roth



    Published on 17 Sep 2015


    Methodical Illusion 9/11 Deception.

    Former flight attendant turned researcher, truth teller and author
    Rebekah Roth joins me on the 14th anniversary of 9/11 to discuss
    her new book 'Methodical ...

    "Heres the link to the FULL 75 minute SGT Report interview: On
    Thursday, September 9, 2015 I interviewed author ...
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    Evidence That Rothschild's Mossad Did 9-11



    Published on 12 Sep 2015


    Rebekah Roth, author of "Methodical Illusion" and "Methodical Deception", with Jeff Rense, September 11, 2015.

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    I haven't seen the interview yet, so forgive me if this has been answered. My question is this: What is the purpose of landing the planes and faking the phone calls? Why wouldn't they just use the actual planes in question and run them into the buildings as planned? That seems much easier.

    Also, planes have air phones. Many of those calls were placed from said phones. Not sure why the cell phone theory is being passed around so virulently. You don't need a cell phone to make a call to a landline from a plane if you just use your credit card.

    Were any remains of passengers found at the crash site and identified? This would preclude her entire theory.

    Edit:
    http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/claim.html

    According to this, ALL of the passengers of flight 93 were identified at the crash site.
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    Quote Posted by PHennessey (here)
    I haven't seen the interview yet, so forgive me if this has been answered. My question is this: What is the purpose of landing the planes and faking the phone calls? Why wouldn't they just use the actual planes in question and run them into the buildings as planned? That seems much easier.

    Also, planes have air phones. Many of those calls were placed from said phones. Not sure why the cell phone theory is being passed around so virulently. You don't need a cell phone to make a call to a landline from a plane if you just use your credit card.
    These large Boeing airframes do not fly that fast, at that altitude. Impossible. Their engines are not strong enough to push the dense air near sea level aside that fast, and if the engines were boosted somehow, the wings would blow off.

    These large Boeing airframes, with their aluminum wings, don't slice through and inside buildings with thick and strong steel and concrete exterior walls, like a hot knife into butter, disappearing inside the building, even out to the thin, fragile, wing tips, without a visible trace left outside.

    The strong, high grade steel landing gear and the massive titanium engines on these planes do not vanish in crashes or fires, leaving not a trace to be found later.

    American Airlines planes, according to Rebekah Roth, and on this point I trust her expertise, had no working air phones in 2001. None.

    Airline hostesses do not sit and talk on the phone for 10 or 20 minutes during a hijacking, telling inconsistent stories from each other and sometimes even from what is possible.

    ... it's one thing to raise good counter points, with some basis. But to just repeat variants of the official story in the form of questions, seemingly unaware of the substantially better and more consistent evidence to the contrary, is ... well ... frustrating.

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    I encourage you to listen to some of Rebekah's interviews .
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Related imo...part of a post I put on Bills thread as well....

    If there were no jet liners actually 'high jacked' on 9/11, just
    planes used in the drills going on as per RR & others, theories...





    Mike Rupperts analyst would also fit , He says there were only 8 fighters available
    at the critical moment and as they fly in pairs that means only four response teams.
    At the time there were up to 21 false potential 'hijack' blips on NORADS radars
    from the various wargames and exercises , so it could have been set up to
    hide the fact there were no real airliners used in the actual attack as RR and
    Judy Wood and many others speculate....





    http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/...nt-conspiracy/

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1002840
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    These large Boeing airframes, with their aluminum wings, don't slice through and inside buildings with thick and strong steel and concrete exterior walls, like a hot knife into butter, disappearing inside the building, even out to the thin, fragile, wing tips, without a visible trace left outside.
    All good points, but on the above, I agree that you wouldn't normally think so - if they really were Boeing airframes. But no one knows the materials, composition or true nature of the objects that collided with the WTC and Pentagon - and something did hit them, I maintain that, it's what I personally believe.

    Here is a scientific paper published by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, entitled: “Chapter IV: Aircraft Impact Damage”. (Viewed here). Further chapters and information to be found here http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/.

    If these findings are to be accepted and believed, they determine that UA175, which hit the South Tower, did so with 3,658MJ of kinetic energy (MJ=megajoules – one megajoule equalling 1 million joules).

    The paper has this to say about the wing damage to the outer columns:
    Quote The external columns were impacted at a very high speed and the process is controlled mainly by local inertia. As the fuselage and wings cut through the steel facade of the Towers, the affected portions of the column sheared off. It was found that the momentum transfer between the airframe and the first barrier of external columns was responsible for most of the energy dissipated in this phase. The energy to shear off the column constituted only a small fraction of that energy. A more exact calculation performed in Ref. [2] give a slightly larger value E external_column =26MJ.
    The wingtips alone hit with 26 million joules of kinetic energy, they maintain, and caused this:

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    Is that possible? I state categorically that I do not know, because I do not have a PHD, I’m not a qualified engineer or a scientist, and I don’t have the skill or mathematical knowledge to break down and fully understand the complex equations that feature throughout this paper (which I have not quoted in this post, as most of us would not understand them). It's my opinion that anyone here who does not have a PHD or is not a qualified engineer is likewise, therefore, not qualified to contest these findings (categorically) either. This should be the case with Rebekah also. All we can do is proceed with the evidence, and counter-evidence, at hand, and make up our minds (if that is even possible!). Take another matter into consideration…

    What force, driven by purportedly aluminium, could cut through those exterior columns like a ‘hot knife into butter’? The steel columns on the outside of the WTC in question were also clad in aluminium. Inside was a mere shell of medium-grade A36 plate steel, and it was only 9.5mm thick. 9.5mm is all.

    Here's a cross section.
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    It’s hollow. And it’s not high grade steel or reinforced either, just a hollow shell.

    Quote However, the problem of a hollow beam striking another hollow column at a right angle and a speed of 240 m/s has not been analyzed in the literature. Therefore it is not possible, at this point in time, to give any detailed account on this interaction, between the wings and outer column, with a higher degree of accuracy than our approximate engineering analysis. The equivalent thickness of the hollow wing beam is approximately four times larger than the thickness of the exterior columns (9.5mm). It is therefore reasonable to treat wings as rigid bodies upon impact with exterior columns. (<-- my emphasis)
    That's a rigid knife, in other words, interacting with a less rigid other body.

    So what is one to make of this? Were those columns more ‘buttery’ than first assumed? Like I said, I do not know... But this should, I hope, be food for thought.


    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    American Airlines planes, according to Rebekah Roth, and on this point I trust her expertise, had no working air phones in 2001. None.
    I looked into this further, and found some evidence (now please don't get jumpy) - just evidence, stories, information, that indicates that this might not be correct.

    Wikipedia says:
    Air One, operated by AT&T Wireless division Claircom Communications Group, and was available onboard American Airlines, Northwest Airlines, and select Delta Air Lines aircraft. The Air One service was discontinued in 2002. (my edit --> not 2001)
    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfone

    Also...
    Airline Grounds In-Flight Phone Service
    7 February 2002
    Airlines are throwing away those phones built into the seats, and they're blaming it all on cell phones.
    American Airlines will discontinue its AT&T in-flight phone service by March 31, a spokesman for the airline said Wednesday. (this is 2002) American will stop the service by March 31 and then take steps to remove the phones from its airplanes.
    The airline will keep other communication services working. Passengers on Boeing 777 and Boeing 767-300 aircraft, which mainly fly international routes, will continue to offer an in-flight phone service that connects to an orbiting satellite for a $5 connection fee and a rate of $10 a minute.
    Source: http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/airline-...phone-service/

    It doesn’t expressly say that 757s were part of this cut, but implying that 767s and 777s will continue to offer an in-flight service, it could be implied as such.

    Also...
    From 911myths:
    "Of course our speculation has no particular value, so we asked American Airlines to look into this, and they reported":
    Engineers at our primary Maintenance & Engineering base in Tulsa tell me that they cannot find any record that the 757 aircraft flown into the Pentagon on 9/11 had had its seatback phones deactivated by that date. An Engineering Change Order to deactivate the seatback phone system on the 757 fleet had been issued by that time... It is our contention that the seatback phones on Flight 77 were working because there is no entry in that aircraft’s records to indicate when the phones were disconnected.
    John Hotard, Corporate Communications, American Airlines
    Source: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Am...light_77_Calls

    Also...
    Photo 1, from 2002. Air phones visible (on the back of the headrest) on an American Airlines 757: (photographed on Flight 1576 from Los Angeles to Chicago). http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=55280

    Photo 2, from 2004
    . Air phones not visible on an American Airlines 757 (a photo of economy class, during a flight from Cuba): http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=400651

    If this is correct, then judging by these images, it is not unreasonable to deduce or at least assume that American Airlines cancelled Air phones on their 757s somewhere between 2002 and 2004 (not in 2001).

    The whole theory of Air Phones not being installed on Flight 77, or any of American Airline 757s at the time, did not begin with Rebekah Roth. It probably started with 911Blogger David Ray Griffin.
    David Ray Griffin - Barbara Olson’s Alleged Call from AA 77: A Correction about Onboard Phones

    Quote David Ray Griffin
    May 7, 2007
    In my recently released book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking (1), I claimed that Boeing 757s made for American Airlines did not have seat-back phones or any other onboard telephones.
    This claim, if true, would be very important, because one could use it, as I did, to argue that the alleged telephone call from Barbara Olson to her husband, US Solicitor General Ted Olson, could not have occurred. It might be thought, to be sure, that the call could have been made from her cell phone. Ted Olson did, in fact, make this claim at times. As I reported, however, the evidence indicates that cell phone calls from high-flying airliners would not have been possible in 2001, given the cell phone technology of the time…[etc..]
    He goes on to say:

    Quote My Error
    I based my conclusion on conversations that Ian Henshall and Rowland Morgan had with American Airlines in 2004 while they were co-authoring book. In this book, 9/11 Revealed, they said: “A call by us to American Airlines’ London Office produced a definitive statement from Laeti Hyver that (AA’s) 757s do not have Airfones. This was confirmed by an email from AA in the US.” (2) Although this email correspondence was not printed in their book, or in Morgan’s later Flight 93 Revealed, in which it is also reported, (3) they allowed me to print it in Debunking 9/11 Debunking. In reply to their letter asking whether “757s (are) fitted with phones that passengers can use,” an AA spokesman wrote: “American Airlines 757s do not have onboard phones for passenger use.” To check on the possibility that Barbara Olson might have borrowed a phone intended for crew use, they asked, “(A)re there any onboard phones at all on AA 757s, i.e., that could be used either by passengers or cabin crew?” The response was: “AA 757s do not have any onboard phones, either for passenger or crew use. Crew have other means of communication available.” (4)

    The conclusion that Barbara Olson could not have made a call using an onboard phone seemed further confirmed by a page on the AA website that says, “Worldwide satellite communications are available on American Airlines' Boeing 777 and Boeing 767,” with no mention of AA’s Boeing 757.

    My mistake, like that of Henshall and Rowland before me, was to assume that the AA spokesperson and this website were talking about AA 757s as they had always been, not simply about 757s at the time of the query, in 2004.
    But the latter was evidently the meaning. Elias Davidsson, an Icelandic member of the 9/11 truth movement, sent me a story from February 6, 2002, which said: “American Airlines will discontinue its AT&T in-flight phone service by March 31, a spokesman for the airline said Wednesday.” (5) Davidsson also reported a 1998 photograph of the inside of an AA 757 showing that it did have seat-back phones. (6)
    Quote For all these reasons, the evidence that AA 77 did have seat-back phones does little to reinstate the credibility of the claim that Ted Olson actually received calls from his wife on that flight. (15)
    Of course, there are other problems with the whole Barbara Olsen thing, but the above information is *evidence* - and I swiftly emphasize that before I get destoyed - it is *evidence only*, just stories, theories, claims, that when taken altogether presents the possibility that Rebekah Roth's information is not 100% accurate. It shouldn't be immediately assumed as such. Because according to the above info, there is at least a suggestion that in 2001 AA 757s *may* have had an Air Phone system.
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    Default Re: Where Did the Planes Go? (Rebekah Roth exposes another piece of the 9/11 puzzle)

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    I thought I would see if I could get any info about Westover Reserve AFB, that Roth claims was closed on 9/11..

    It took no time at all to find a reference to the base on that day - yes just a passing remark, but that shows that the person writing the article had no agenda when it came to the mention or they would have made more of a thing of it ?


    https://afreserve.com/news-article/r...tanker-mission

    Quote Story by
    Lt. Col. Robert Couse-Baker
    349th Public Affairs

    041108-F-XX999-0239/10/2014 - TRAVIS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. -- On Sept. 11, 2001, a Travis KC-10 crew took off from Europe with the ordinary mission of ferrying six A-10 Warthogs back to the United States. However, 9/11 was no ordinary day.

    Capt. Jay Wahleithner, KC-10 Extender pilot, 1st Lt. Jerimy Wills, co-pilot, Staff Sgt. E.J. Abalos, engineer, and Staff Sgt. Steven Rodrigues, boom operator, were supporting a tanker air bridge. At the time, all four were assigned to the active-duty 9th Air Refueling Squadron, on temporary duty in Morón Air Base, Spain.

    "We took off thinking this was a normal fighter drag," Wahleithner said.

    When the KC-10 arrived for the pickup over Lajes Field, Azores, Portugal, only four of the A-10s were there to make the trip; two had maintenance problems. This resulted in the tanker having 50,000 pounds more fuel on board than they would need for the trip.

    The unplanned extra fuel would prove useful later in the day.

    "A-10s are really slow, so this was a really long flight. We'd been listening to the Atlantic Common Frequency and heard pilots talking about airline accidents on the East Coast. That was the first we heard that something was wrong," Wahleithner said.

    "Of course, the details were not very solid, with bits of information about mid-air collisions in New York and then possible bombings at the Pentagon. Shortly thereafter, New York Center announced all U.S. air space was closed.

    "The idea that ALL U.S. airspace would close boggled my mind and made the hair on the back of my neck stand up," he said.

    Wahleithner explained the radio technology 13 years ago was not as good as is now, so communications were chaotic after that announcement.

    "You've got all these commercial aircraft trying to divert to other countries; we couldn't get through to ATC (Air Traffic Control) or TACC (Tanker Airlift Control Center, Scott AFB, Ill.)"

    "As we approached the U.S., New York Center advised us that ATC services were suspended and we would have to proceed 'due regard' in the U.S.," he said.

    The phrase "due regard" has very specific meaning in aviation. It means that air traffic control services will not be provided and that the military aircraft commander is responsible for his own navigation and separation from other aircraft. In practical terms, it means something more like "Good luck with that, you're on your own."

    "I only knew of it as something I'd learned in training," Wahleithner said.

    As the KC-10 approached the eastern seaboard, they heard over the guard radio (international emergency channel) NORAD advising an unknown aircraft to identify itself.

    "Checking our position, we realized we were the unknown aircraft, so we responded," Wahleithner said.

    At the same time, New York Center informed the crew they had two "fast-moving" aircraft approaching the tanker's six o'clock position.

    011106-F-4308R-035"As soon as NORAD and the F-15s from the Massachusetts Air National Guard were convinced of our identity, NORAD asked if we had any available fuel," he said.

    Since two of the originally scheduled six A-10s had not taken off due to maintenance problems, the tanker carried an extra 50,000 pounds of fuel.

    The A-10s then departed to land at Westover Air Reserve Base, Mass., and the KC-10 set up a tanker combat air patrol over Boston.

    From his position in the boom pod, Rodrigues had a shocking view of Boston.

    "Looking down at Logan (International Airport) seeing planes parked everywhere, on taxiways and runways; nothing was moving. The freeways were almost entirely deserted," he said.

    "It all was very surreal. I flew throughout the northeast for almost five years while stationed at McGuire AFB, New Jersey, and it is possibly the most heavily traveled airspace in the world. That day, there were virtually no aircraft in sight and no one talking on the radios," Wahleithner said. "It was creepy, partly because we still had not been told what had happened," he said.

    The tanker spent the next two hours supporting four F-15s, off-loading 40,000 pounds of fuel and becoming one of the very first aircraft participating in what would be become Operation Noble Eagle.

    "It was only later we discovered that the first two F-15s we refueled were the initial fighters scrambled in response to the attacks in New York City," Wahleithner said.

    -------------

    Wahleithner is now a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserve and until recently the chief pilot of the 70th Air Refueling Squadron.

    Wills has since left the Air Force and is a pilot with Southwest Airlines.

    Abalos is now a master sergeant and is still on active duty, flying with the 9th ARS.

    Rodriquez is now a technical sergeant in the Air Force Reserve, flying with the 70th ARS.

    I've put the whole article because I had a bit of a problem with posting links the other day....


    this is the important bit regarding Westover..


    Quote The A-10s then departed to land at Westover Air Reserve Base, Mass., and the KC-10 set up a tanker combat air patrol over Boston.

    also there is this regarding reservists on 9/11...


    http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/rvp/pubaf/c...s6/sept11.html


    Quote One immediate consequence of the 9/11 attacks was the call-up of US military reserves, and those who answered included BC police officers Santos "Joe" Perez, an Air Force reservist who for the past year has been stationed at Hanscom Air Force Base, and Vinny Sena, a Marine who saw duty at Westover Air Force Base.

    I have quoted this not because of the Westover reference (although the piece came up because of the 'Westover on 9/11' search..) but because of the reference to the call up of reservists on that day -

    Of course reservists would be called up ASAP as the attacks were on the Delta level of security - (if that is the correct terminology)


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Force
    Quote The Delta Force (1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta), is a U.S. Army unit used for hostage rescue and counterterrorism, as well as direct action and reconnaissance against high value targets. Along with the Navy's SEAL Team Six, Delta Force represents the top tier of Joint Special Operations Command units, and the selection and training is considered the most demanding in the armed forces.

    Westover was a reserve base so it would be very busy that day..? not closed

    The affidavit that Roth claims to have from a local resident about stuff that fits in with her narrative is as good as useless because it is anonymous from our point of view and relies totally on believing what Roth says -

    My own BS detection meter swung to a high reading when I listened to Roth and the more time goes on the more confident I am that my BS-O-meter is working ok - I know this isn't how everyone feels about her and her story but I can take a more detatched view perhaps because the 9/11 inside job conspiracy isn't a fundamental part of my paradigm -

    I am highly suspicious about this latest avalanche of material dominating the 9/11 conspiracy arena over the last year and a half? even though I've only just caught up with it - - as 9/11 is a big interest of mine but not something that I bother with all the time -

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    Westover Reserve Base essentially being closed on 9/11 is central to Roth's narrative ... so all the dastardly deeds could be done -

    Here's more evidence to contradict that - although like all good fabrications a grain of truth is there in that the base, when it went to 'Delta' security level was closed to 'non-mission people'.... but to all intents and purposes it was apparently not closed - not by a long chalk -


    Again - it took me minutes to find this link - but from memory, I think RR said she tried to debunk herself for a month...!

    scroll down to page 12...


    http://www.westover.afrc.af.mil/Port...1/sept2011.pdf

    Quote America’s military worldwide went to Force
    Protection Condition Delta, the highest alert,
    used only to signal that an attack is in progress.
    The new,
    grimmer face of
    Westover started
    with heavy equipment
    operators lowering redtopped
    cement jersey barriers
    at parking lot and street
    entrances. Military and civilian
    members left their desks to set up plastic cones and
    yellow ropes around their buildings and move away their
    trash cans.
    They locked entrance doors in their buildings and set up
    tables at main entrances
    to check ID
    cards and take names of those
    coming and going.
    The Westover senior leadership established a Crisis
    Action Team in the Command Post. It’s mission was
    twofold: to protect Westover’s people and property,
    and to prepare aircraft, flight crews and
    support people who might be called
    into military or humanitarian
    action.
    Offices around the base
    began receiving calls from reservists who volunteered to
    report for duty if needed. Some traditional reservists
    like Col. Sarah Waterman, 439th ASTS commander, and
    Lt. Col. Terry Thomas, 439th MSS commander, simply
    showed up. “I couldn’t stay home,” Waterman said. The
    medical units called members and assembled rosters of
    volunteers available for short-notice alert.
    Westover closed its gate to all non-mission people. Incoming
    vehicles were subject to German shepherds of
    Massachusetts State police dog handlers and Westover
    Marines joined wing security members at the gate.

    Quote The first step to tighten security on the flight
    line and around base was to increase the number
    of security forces and frequency of patrols.
    Security forces armed with M-16s and M9
    Baretta pistols stood at entry control points
    to the flight line, patrolled in Humvees and
    walked the fence line to check for tampering.
    The civilian DOD police worked long hours
    and reservists of the 439th Security Forces
    Squadron called in to volunteer. The Westover
    force was supplemented by Massachusetts
    Army National Guard military police. Maintenance
    members stood guard at the entry
    control point to the flight line.

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    Westover Reserve Base essentially being closed on 9/11 is central to Roth's narrative ... so all the dastardly deeds could be done -

    Here's more evidence to contradict that - although like all good fabrications a grain of truth is there in that the base, when it went to 'Delta' security level was closed to 'non-mission people'.... but to all intents and purposes it was apparently not closed - not by a long chalk -


    Again - it took me minutes to find this link - but from memory, I think RR said she tried to debunk herself for a month...!

    scroll down to page 12...


    http://www.westover.afrc.af.mil/Port...1/sept2011.pdf
    The pdf meta-data in that September edition of the Patriot shows that it was created and modified on Sept 7, 2001, four days before 9/11. So how does it come to contain an article reprinted from the October Patriot edition, that was post 9/11, and that shows a fair bit of reporting and production quality that would take a few days to accomplish ?

    My guess would be that that pdf is a combination of portions of both the Sept (pre 9/11) and Oct (post 9/11) editions of the Patriot ... which is not a crime nor is it decisive evidence, but is a bit confusing and puzzling.

    Now ... as to whether I'd trust something published in such a journal, from that source, a month after (the Oct 2001 portions) 9/11 ... well, no, I wouldn't.
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    Now ... as to whether I'd trust something published in such a journal, from that source, a month after (the Oct 2001 portions) 9/11 ... well, no, I wouldn't.

    That is your prerogative -

    but don't you think someone would have come forward to question or correct what the article says by now if it wasn't broadly factual?

    we're talking about high treason and mass murder here and a scar on the psyche of the nation...just how many people are their aiding and abetting it all to make what Roth says work - Roth who no one knows who she is - who's motives could easily be suspect..

    I think I've seen somewhere that you have been in the military, Paul..? not sure if I remember that right..

    Doesn't what I quoted and what was said in the article sound like just the sort of thing that would happen when the security goes to Delta..?

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    Now ... as to whether I'd trust something published in such a journal, from that source, a month after (the Oct 2001 portions) 9/11 ... well, no, I wouldn't.

    That is your prerogative -

    but don't you think someone would have come forward to question or correct what the article says by now if it wasn't broadly factual?

    we're talking about high treason and mass murder here and a scar on the psyche of the nation...just how many people are their aiding and abetting it all to make what Roth says work - Roth who no one knows who she is - who's motives could easily be suspect..

    I think I've seen somewhere that you have been in the military, Paul..? not sure if I remember that right..

    Doesn't what I quoted and what was said in the article sound like just the sort of thing that would happen when the security goes to Delta..?

    .
    I was in the military - Lieutenant in the United States Air Force from 1971 to 1975, radar operations in Tampa, Florida and Ko Kha, Thailand.

    I don't recall now whether I knew then what would happen at "Delta" security ... or even if that was what it was called then. I've long since forgotten such matters. What the article described felt plausible and typical enough, to my limited recall, yes.

    The counter-argument that "don't you think someone would have come forward" is a common one in 9/11 "debates". When such major false operations are undertaken such as I claim 9/11 was, then we seldom hear from those who would come forward. Someone else hears first, someone who is part of an organized effort, with deep surveillance capabilities and deep control of most of the media, and their organizations do whatever need be done to squelch, confuse, discredit, redirect, silence or destroy such leaks. That's an obvious part of how such operations are planned and executed.

    At least a couple such people have contacted Rebekah Roth, however defenders of the official 9/11 story (or minor variations thereof) prefer to discredit Rebekah with such nebulous lines as "who's motives could easily be suspect".
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    I was in the military - Lieutenant in the United States Air Force from 1971 to 1975, radar operations in Tampa, Florida and Ko Kha, Thailand.

    I don't recall now whether I knew then what would happen at "Delta" security ... or even if that was what it was called then. I've long since forgotten such matters. What the article described felt plausible and typical enough, to my limited recall, yes.

    ok thanks ...


    Quote The counter-argument that "don't you think someone would have come forward" is a common one in 9/11 "debates". When such major false operations are undertaken such as I claim 9/11 was, then we seldom hear from those who would come forward. Someone else hears first, someone who is part of an organized effort, with deep surveillance capabilities and deep control of most of the media, and their organizations do whatever need be done to squelch, confuse, discredit, redirect, silence or destroy such leaks. That's an obvious part of how such operations are planned and executed.

    At least a couple such people have contacted Rebekah Roth, however defenders of the official 9/11 story (or minor variations thereof) prefer to discredit Rebekah with such nebulous lines as "who's motives could easily be suspect".

    How can one actually discredit someone who is totally anonymous..?.a rhetorical question

    The FACT is...we have no idea who she is....her background...where she worked... nothing...

    So logically we have no idea of her motives... she might turn round in a few months and whip the wig and glasses off and say....'thank you everyone this has been a psychological experiment on how far people will go to suspend judgement when confirmation bias is in play...'

    Just one possible scenario...

    But I won't take up any more of your time today...

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    ... Someone else hears first, someone who is part of an organized effort, with deep surveillance capabilities and deep control of most of the media, and their organizations do whatever need be done to squelch, confuse, discredit, redirect, silence or destroy such leaks. That's an obvious part of how such operations are planned and executed. ...
    To be more, but still not entirely, explicit, such operations include encouraging and supporting trolls (who may or may not realize they are serving in such a role) to post the usual confusions on Web forum threads that are getting too close to the truth.
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    How can one actually discredit someone who is totally anonymous..?.a rhetorical question

    The FACT is...we have no idea who she is....her background...where she worked... nothing...

    So logically we have no idea of her motives... she might turn round in a few months and whip the wig and glasses off and say....'thank you everyone this has been a psychological experiment on how far people will go to suspend judgement when confirmation bias is in play...'
    That's a problem both ways ... how do I discredit you? I don't even know what color your wig is.

    In the final analysis, I can't necessarily do that.

    Each reader will determine for themselves which reporter and which reports seem credible.

    I currently find Rebekah Roth credible. I cannot say as much for your anonymous, ad hominem, efforts to discredit her.
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