Anomalies in The Ruiner's material

[Catsquotl]

So here's a rather extensive blog.
And we are arguing it's trustworthiness over a letter that either was or wasn't written by the author.

If evidence of deceit was piling up... Maybe a letter like that would be the final nail... As it is though....
I'm not convinced by the evidence of any Ruiners mindtricks.

Mind you being who I am I enjoyed his blog, but didn't find it more enlightening or spindoctory as many other "Truths" out there..
It also didn't change me that much except for the fact that after the corey thing and the camp's that started forming around the Ruiners blog I am less and less involved on the 'truth' community..

Heck with the way we seem to bicker who needs a psy-op to get us off track ey.

With Love
Eelco

[norman]

Yes, I'm glad that you, Bill, are sticking to the point that there seems to be a second level of manipulation going on with the alternative scene.

I have no idea what to think of this particular issue you've raised here in this thread, but I'm also feeling a sense that the 'game' has been well and truly 'uped'.

I don't want to go off on a ramble about why I feel this. I'll stick with just saying, Flat world, and Jade 2 ( as being the 2 most screamingly obvious red flags to my mind ). I think we are all being both extended to our edges of narrative credibility, and, an ultra fine definition analysis A.I. tool is being used to profile us while under this assault. Meaning, we are both being intellectually stress tested AND the data is going straight into an A.I. super project.

Is Shane being employed in this in some way? I've honestly got no idea. What I DO think is a bit suspect, though, is the dual narrative scenario. I can imagine how that could be very interesting for the developer of the A.I. that's using all this feedback to gain the upper hand over us again. "Tell us 2 different lies and take our pick". Firstly, it conditions us or desensitises us to the instinctive sense that we are absorbing a lie as a truth narrative. Secondly it reveals which kind of lie we like the flavor of best. If there isn't a 'truth' anywhere in the mix, we don't have a gut instinct left to match stories with any more. It levels up the field of lies and makes it all the more artificially reproducible.

SO, is there good reason to be very very careful about the info that's floating around at the moment, and also to be very careful about our responses to it as well. ? Absolutely YES !

Is this Ruiner Blog an asset in what appears to be a very much upgraded assault on our intellects.................. you call it your way, I'll call it mine, but it's a tough call.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I know exactly what you mean, Bill.

I recall, in this life, an episode when I was seventeen. I was investigating and dabbling in ESP (extra-sensory perception). I thought I started receiving coded messages from an unknown source. They were coded because they were short and ambiguous. It started with this voice stating I'd been noticed (remember, I was working on ESP). A few weeks later the voice said there were three levels to mastery. A few weeks later the voice was back stating I was at level two now. I should clarify that since I was deep into my research I was aware of the fact that I might be causing these episodes myself, kinda wishing them into being.

Maybe a few months later, after much success with ESP, amulets and spells the voice was back. It stated I was on the verge of level three. That all I needed to do was reach across the void of improbability, and from there reach back. I understood that as meaning: leave your doubts behind, clear yourself of limitations imposed on you by lesser selves and just simply impose your own will.

A picture flashed in my mind of what to do. Had I done it, I knew there would never be turning back, that my reality would change forever. But there was a portion of that code that bothered me - there was an undercurrent of superiority, of class and hierarchy that did not sit well with me, but I did not know why. Then it dawned on me, "Lesser selves?". There are no lesser selves in my world. We are all human - at the same level of consciousness. Sometimes we are sentient, sometimes less so. So I rejected the voice and refused the test. I dropped my study of ESP that same day.

That episode was subjective. There was no proof, no tangible evidence to support any of my successes or to verify the voice in my head was other than my own. I admit I was sceptical from the beginning - was I making it all up? I don't think I did. But I think I might have knocked on the wrong door. That is the feeling I had. Forty years later I still feel the same way. I remember that feeling and whenever I have felt the same I have always associated it as a warning, not necessarily of danger but that something is up and to pay attention.

Was this episode real? It was real to me. It has shaped who I am and what I believe, even what I know. The reality of it impinges on everyone since it changed me. But did it happen or did it all take place inside my head? I guess the answer depends on what you believe. There are so many ways to take this that I'll just drop it.

For the record: I don't remember any past life events but I do sometimes remember future ones.

And Bill, you are a great investigator! That two dot thing - genius.

[sarah22]

Ok, so my question to the group is; if this is a psyop, what is the endgame here?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by norman (here)
Yes, I'm glad that you, Bill, are sticking to the point that there seems to be a second level of manipulation going on with the alternative scene.

I have no idea what to think of this particular issue you've raised here in this thread, but I'm also feeling a sense that the 'game' has been well and truly 'uped'.

Yes - the present control structures, political, economic, monetary and religious, that have in one variant or another been suitable for controlling humanity, in the form of "competing tribes on various sub-continents of one planet", for the last millenia or two, have reached their "sell-by" date.

Our technology and civilization capacity and resource needs are rapidly expanding to the level of a solar system. New political, economic, monetary and religious control structures are being formed from the ferment, and those who have been at the top of the control heap and who are desperate to remain there are striving mightily to form the new control structures, to maintain control over the rest of us, and to struggle for power amongst themselves.

A good part of what we're seeing here is the formation of a new religion, which like most such endeavors, is a rather messy affair that takes a few generations. By "religion" I mean "the commonly accepted explanations for that which lacks more mundane explanations allowed in public discourse."

[Bill Ryan]

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On record here (my sincere thanks to Shane, who has just sent it to the mods): here's the original letter, not the version transcribed by Chloe from the radio show.

Dear Mr Green

As you've told me I don't have a heart many times you will understand that I could not face you. Didn't have the heart haha.

It appears you were right. But I had already resolved to end this life without your dramatic display.

You never changed. Still that 15 year old boy they gave to me. Just as green as you ever were. I though by now we would have found a way to break you.

Alas, you have thrived. No matter what you say you are not an indication of what they can do. They will break your bleeding heart. Watch my words come true.

But you have your chance. Your father left, your old friend is impotent and you are all fired up.

All of my best wishes, because my wishes are not equal to my belief. A belief I will not repeat now. I am trying to compose a pleasant goodbye to a beautiful man I love, even if he could never love me.

I do have a heart. You've just refused to see it. True to say, I never let you see it.

Which is not why I leave this life. This is not an act of love or compassion or understanding it is desperate and selfish and everything else you would expect from a symbol of worship and fear. The latticework is broken and cannot be repaired. The dark prince has no teeth. Then there's you.

So neither of us will have what we wanted. You will join me soon enough in a departure.

You memory is long but selective just as you say about others. Your eyes are open but bloodshot.

Following your failure, we will meet again. I promise you that.

So long Mr Green. I love you with the same fire you hate me. I always have.

[norman]

Posted by Paul (here)

A good part of what we're seeing here is the formation of a new religion, which like most such endeavors, is a rather messy affair that takes a few generations. By "religion" I mean "the commonly accepted explanations for that which lacks more mundane explanations allowed in public discourse."

If I'm being utterly paranoid, I can even imagine that "they" created the entire "breakaway conspiracy theory world most of us here live in" deliberately to produce a free-from-the-old-structures mass of minds they could then use to model their ideas for future control structures with. They couldn't get anything like a realistic mind mass from us before we developed this 'out of the old box' way of thinking. We had to be brought up to speed where we were almost, at least, as savvy as they were, BUT, they had to get the operation done and over with before our numbers grew too great for them to control the ever ruling numbers game of using the bigger mass to control the lesser mass.

They NEEDED a mass of us to do our research and get up to speed ( ish ), and to become a community mind, but they also needed us to do it all as a significant minority of the total population.

The 'seat of the pants' dare devile dynamics of the way they have done all this is stunning. I just have to assume that some kind of artificial intelligence has been calling the shots from the get go.

[OmeyocaN777]

NO ONE really knows the Truth......
Not even the "dark" side or the "light" side
They exist beings in more higher dimensions that wait for us to find our harmony so they can invite us to their family.....
WAKE Up people and stop "fighting" each other
Everyone have one piece of puzzle....all together we can see the whole picture (inclunding the dark side)
I really enjoy hearing Shane And Simon....their side of story (i must confess i have with them many common opinions)
You Know What......????
The KEY is about Cooperation
Shane understood this, thats why he stands in the middle
Something that us the "light" family (i suppose) we have a long way to comprehend it
We are all ONE
Namaste

[samildamach]

There is a paper trail left behind in all things we do.you own a house buy a car see a doctor or dentist with out record.move money buy equipment .there would it seem in my mind plenty of evidence to verify that the elders excisted worked on there projects employed people owned property all which could verify the truth.the question is what is dangerous to reveal

[Cristi Copac]

the one thing that is most suspect is this. parents exist. what? yes they exist and have existed for 10 thousand years. they have life prolonging tools or methods. so cool. now after 1 month me is telling you that they are gone. they killed themselves. ??? so they lived for ten thousand years and now they killed themselves after 1 month after a very small number of people find out of their existence? these are not special times. they never were. every election , every revolution, every change , every war is followed by people with the line- "though times we live in". really? what about 100 years ago when some western countries had hunger and many many other problems ? what about 2000 years ago, what about 1000 years ago. death was a constant throughout history. the only thing that is criminal is that we were lied to. big time.

[Nasu]

I would like to thank Bill and the mod team for this excellent thread and exercise in discernment and transparency. And for keeping their minds open and not failing to do what must be done in the face of obvious discrepancies. Clearly, at this point, the jury is still out, one way or the other on Shane's material. If it turns out to all be the sham that many of us saw it as on day one, then so be it, it is what it is. To be fair though, he was always very clear about the fiction part....

Anyhoo, I don't blame Shane, so much as I blame Paul, who introduced me and the rest of us to this distraction!! Only kidding, Paul, I will follow you off the cliff one of these days! till then...x... N

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Nasu (here)
Anyhoo, I don't blame Shane, so much as I blame Paul, who introduced me and the rest of us to this distraction!! Only kidding, Paul, I will follow you off the cliff one of these days! till then...x... N

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[sarah22]

"Ok, so my question to the group is; if this is a psyop, what is the endgame here?"

I wrote the above question and here are some of my thoughts around this. When I retell a story that is true, I doubt I tell it in exactly the same way each time, with the exact same words, phrases, and cadences. That doesn't mean it's not true. When I write, I don't always use the same style of writing or the same grammar- not because I am lying but because I am human, I was tired when I wrote that, I was trying to be eloquent when I wrote that, I was angry when I wrote that.... I understand the relevance of a linguistic fingerprint but after I spending way too many hours on this, I am coming around to the idea that it's possible that the minutia of Mr. Shane is being over analyzed and that simple possibility is, that much of what he is saying is true, even if some of the details aren't.

Would any of our e-mails/ conversations held over months or years, hold up to the scrutiny we are placing on what he has written/said? I don't think our casual and true, honest conversations if scrutinized over time would hold up. I think we all could be accused of lying. But changing our minds or mixing up details here and there happens over time and NOT because we are lying. Could Shane be lying? Sure, but that doesn't mean he is. One of the reasons some of the smaller details could be getting confused is that he is trying to make sure, as he is speaking, that he doesn't violate their disclosure agreements and inadvertently hurt his family, maybe? I want to point out here that I don't know Shane and I am not trying to stand up for him in any way, these are just my opinions.

I have just finished sending a PM to wonderful Bill and now as I write this, it will be obvious to Bill, if he is reading this, that I have come to a slightly different conclusion. When I look over Shane's posts, most of them feel true to me. After all this time spent on it, that is what I keep coming back to. Bill is right, "feeling something" is not proof of anything. Maybe I am being taken in and duped.

But for what purpose? I am a very small part of this community. I don't have a website or a blog. I rarely post and mostly just read when I visit here. I am grateful to have a place where I can write my thoughts when I want to and I appreciate reading others' opinions, especially opinions that are different than mine.

But if I am being duped, my opinion is not going to mean much here. I am not anyone important, so his blog sparking memories that put together missing pieces for me, is not going to affect many people and since I don't talk about this, it really won't. Maybe it's a long con game that will affect how I.. something.. in the future?! Maybe... ( Opps, I just typed three dots instead of two, I must be a liar! I know linguistic fingerprinting is a useful thing, I am making a joke here )

Finding those missing pieces sparked by his blog has not changed my opinions or my feelings about the importance and beauty of human life and the Earth, it has enhanced them. Beyond that, what has been relevant to me from his blog, has been very personal. So, if Shane and his blog were a psyop, what was the point? Thanks PA community for letting me think this out and write about it here.
Best, Sarah

[transiten]

Mercury just went direct today and will take some week to "regain speed" symbolically speaking. Disinformation runs rampant during the retrograde phase, information is missing, misunderstandings etc. A perfect time for this kind of investigation and "review" though.

I just happened to find this interview today but stopped listening since the diction of these guys was so blurry I often couldn't hear what they said. I scrolled down and found the transcription but when I was going to post a thanx I popped out of the thread? And then I ended up here.

My gutfeeling is this reptilian story is not my cup of tea.

[Nasu]

Came across this quote in my inbox, just now, thought it was interestingly coincidental, given the nature of this thread. I suppose it could be for Shane, or it could be for all of us, either way, I thought it had some merit:

“The easiest thing to be in the world is you. The most difficult thing to be is what other people want you to be. Don't let them put you in that position.”

― Leo Buscaglia

[Selkie]

Posted by transiten (here)
...My gutfeeling is this reptilian story is not my cup of tea.

Precisely. Mine neither.

[Tangri]

Posted by Octavusprime (here)
If this is in fact fantasy and "The Ruiner" is just a character created by Shane then I wish he would stop beating around the bush and just say it.

This whole "it wasn't meant for Avalon" crap is ridiculous. If it truly was meant for your friends then email them. Fine you blogged it, then don't come onto Avalon and answer questions. The whole thing is wonky and makes little logical sense.

On another note: I was very skeptical and critical of both Shane and Corey when they first came out. In both cases many people (both mods and members) came out in support of these two. Most of it was character endorsement. Basically I felt my discernment and criticism was not wanted. So I quietly left the discussions. I personally think it is dangerous, in my eyes, group censorship. I didn't feel welcome to criticize or investigate in an open forum.

I'll admit I lurked both threads waiting for the sheet to hit the fan. /popcorn I'm greatful that the veil was finally lifted. I just hope we can be a little more careful in the future and not jump to support the next "big insider".

Granted the mods have to walk the fine line of giving people a safe place to disclose and vetting out the fakes. The mod team has to be very careful with their endorsements because like it or not there is a flock of followers that take their word as gospel.

Well said. Thank you, I wouldn't agree more

[Savannah]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I know exactly what you mean, Bill.

I recall, in this life, an episode when I was seventeen. I was investigating and dabbling in ESP (extra-sensory perception). I thought I started receiving coded messages from an unknown source. They were coded because they were short and ambiguous. It started with this voice stating I'd been noticed (remember, I was working on ESP). A few weeks later the voice said there were three levels to mastery. A few weeks later the voice was back stating I was at level two now. I should clarify that since I was deep into my research I was aware of the fact that I might be causing these episodes myself, kinda wishing them into being.

Maybe a few months later, after much success with ESP, amulets and spells the voice was back. It stated I was on the verge of level three. That all I needed to do was reach across the void of improbability, and from there reach back. I understood that as meaning: leave your doubts behind, clear yourself of limitations imposed on you by lesser selves and just simply impose your own will.

A picture flashed in my mind of what to do. Had I done it, I knew there would never be turning back, that my reality would change forever. But there was a portion of that code that bothered me - there was an undercurrent of superiority, of class and hierarchy that did not sit well with me, but I did not know why. Then it dawned on me, "Lesser selves?". There are no lesser selves in my world. We are all human - at the same level of consciousness. Sometimes we are sentient, sometimes less so. So I rejected the voice and refused the test. I dropped my study of ESP that same day.

That episode was subjective. There was no proof, no tangible evidence to support any of my successes or to verify the voice in my head was other than my own. I admit I was sceptical from the beginning - was I making it all up? I don't think I did. But I think I might have knocked on the wrong door. That is the feeling I had. Forty years later I still feel the same way. I remember that feeling and whenever I have felt the same I have always associated it as a warning, not necessarily of danger but that something is up and to pay attention.

Was this episode real? It was real to me. It has shaped who I am and what I believe, even what I know. The reality of it impinges on everyone since it changed me. But did it happen or did it all take place inside my head? I guess the answer depends on what you believe. There are so many ways to take this that I'll just drop it.

For the record: I don't remember any past life events but I do sometimes remember future ones.

And Bill, you are a great investigator! That two dot thing - genius.

You would enjoy "The Hungry Ghost", a great read about the traps that people fall into when they contact the Astral realm. Tom from Montalk.net sent it to me and I was very grateful. When I first started to channel and have out of body experiences I wish someone would have given me that book 25 years ago.

[ulli]

I have this hunch that this is all an experiment in collective consciousness manipulation and myth seeding.
When I first discovered the Wingmakers website back in 2000 and found my investigation into UFO/ET reality and government cover-up had been given an extra dimension, I was thrilled that whistle blower Dr. Anderson had come and told his story. Believed every word. Then came the great announcement that it was a myth.
Yet the effect it had had on my belief system and the subsequent changes in my own being I will never forget.
People's speculation about whether it was all truth or fiction was also a great eye opener, and even when it was disclosed that it had all been fiction, with an element of truth I like many others were ok with that.
Because the new paradigm is about what each of us believe, and how to go from there, when creating our future.

[Selkie]

If I may, it would seem that the purpose of Shane, Corey, Simon, Lash (and possibly others, although I have not been witness to them) has been the sowing of dragon's teeth,

The five survivors joined with Cadmus to found the city of Thebes. The classical legends of Cadmus and Jason have given rise to the phrase "to sow dragon's teeth." This is used as a metaphor to refer to doing something that has the effect of fomenting disputes.

(my emphasis)