PLEIADIAN Books: FRAUD or LEGIT? (Your quick opinion)

[Twelve]

I've been highly attracted to the Pleiadian teachings- they seem to resonate with me for some reason- but with so much disinformation out there I can't get a sense of what's real or what's not anymore. The only channeled book that I can say is for real without a doubt is A Course In Miracles, which I consider to be a spiritual masterpiece that is truly unparalleled. But I'd like everyone's opinions on 3 particular authors of Pleiadian books:


1. Barbara Marciniak
2. Amorah Quan Yin
3. Barbara Hand Clow

I've heard quite a few people mention that they strongly feel Marciniak is a Fraud and an agent of disinformation, but I just didn't get that impression myself. Her books are all about looking at both the dark and the light, not judging one as better than the other per se (just a different stage of consciousness), and leaving the individual empowered to be compassionate and stay discerning. The books inspired me to make many positive changes like changing my diet so that I'm not indirectly helping to continue the cruel treatment of animals, and to begin recycling because I'm more conscious of my connection to the earth, and to be more compassionate even as I look on the "dark" inside of me and the world, and so on and so on. In short, only good has come of it, and not of the simplistic new age kind that has me thinking only positive thoughts and not acknowledging the darker aspects of myself or the world. So I can't for the life of me understand what others are seeing in these books that I'm missing that makes them think Marciniak is a fraud and an agent of disinformation. I'd sincerely be open to hearing one thing that can hurt someone or leave them blind or ignorant after reading her books.

As for Amorah Quan Yin and Barbara Hand Clow, I haven't heard anything bad, although some of the stuff they write about seems more far fetched than Marciniak's stuff.

I would welcome any thoughts anyone has on these authors along with specific reasons why you think they're great or a fraud (instead of just feeling that way without being able to point to how their teachings could help or hurt). I would be especially interested to hear if anyone has attended any of Amorah Quan Yin's Pleiadian Lightwork trainings in California or elsewhere.

Thank you

[ghostrider]

There are no pleadians, that term was put out by the Plejaren and Edward Meier to openly expose hoaxers ...you can read some of what the plejaren had to say about certain individuals in the contact notes , visit the future of mankinds website and just type in the name in question... There were 5 or 6 people in telepathic contact with them most are passed away now ... One is still alive...

[RunningDeer]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
There are no pleadians, that term was put out by the Plejaren and Edward Meier to openly expose hoaxers ...you can read some of what the plejaren had to say about certain individuals in the contact notes , visit the future of mankinds website and just type in the name in question... There were 5 or 6 people in telepathic contact with them most are passed away now ... One is still alive...

The Future Of Mankind: main page & search page

[Michelle Marie]

The Earth, the Cosmos, and You was published in the late 90s. My grandmother told me how great it was and I read it then, and then again in the last couple of years. Helpful.

Information about a previous race who used surveillance and deception to trick people into giving up their sovereignty and free will choice smacks of conditions today in our world. I'm strong about using my own free will choice. I don't watch tv. I don't listen to radio stations (commercials). I don't buy into the deceptive practices because of these warnings and understanding. Knowing about potential pitfalls helps to avoid them. Knowing the roots of the agenda raises awareness, which in turn, helps you see things coming.

I meditate/contemplate the truth about stuff. Then I figure what is my relationship to the information. I ask my higher Self to discern what is my role in regards to this stuff. I use the useful info.

Hope this helps.
Lots of love,
Michelle Marie

[waves]

I bought into Marciniak back then and have discarded it all. Watch any conference video of her awful acting and exaggerated drawl supposedly answering questions while 'channeling'. Even back then Clow set off my red flags bigtime and I walked out of a lecture, but Marciniak does now too in flames, besides having caught on to the whole channelling scam. I don't think aliens would be using all the slang and sometime backwoods colloquialisms or making the stupid jokes for starters. No opinion on Amorah for having spent little time.

I greatly respect your refusal to ignore clues around you and the willingness to question and reconsider.

[ALLiTiZ]

Edward Meier's contact notes are the most interesting, entertaining, and is likely the most import topic I've ever researched. I read the "Message from the Pleiades, Volume 1-4, 2nd Edition: The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier" by Ted Denmark Ph.D. in about a month, Billy Meier's story is amazing.

[Bluegreen]

There are those who may want to see the information firsthand available from bibliotecapleyades

The Pleiades - Articles - about half in English
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_pleyades.htm

Barbara Marciniak - Bringers Of The Dawn
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pl...leyades_14.htm

Preston Nichols - Peter Moon
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_preston_moon.htm

[eagle0027]

Trust your OWN instincts 12...i as well resonate with the info you have described...as well as other info that others are now popoing as their apparent source magically has the correct info.And what may I ask makes them think their info is so perfect???
As my jinshindo mentor says...trust your own instincts and write your own book(metaohorically)

[Aurelius]

.. why not get the info straight from the horses mouth?

[dim]

but is the dirt, the mud, the little cuts or maybe the deeper ones, that boost our immune systems
it is among all the disinfo and frauds the soul builds its spiritual muscle, the spirit's weightlifting
the more we indulge the sooner we fed up for our discernment became sharp like a katana
then we overgrow past them and the true painless light shines by itself

in essence, disinfo plays a valuable role to our awakening, don't be afraid of it

[Twelve]

Thanks for all of your replies everyone. Much appreciated. I checked out the Future of Mankind site and searched for the authors on there, and the discourse about them was very harsh and smacked of anger, strong negativity, and defensiveness. Even if it were true that all of the authors I noted here are complete Frauds, I would think that spiritually advanced beings that are in contact with Billy would be more emotionally neutral, at the very least, in their discourse. Maybe I'm just projecting this on the writing, but I could literally feel a seething anger come from the words, which doesn't make sense to me. Not to say that spiritually advanced beings need to be all happy and flowery all the time, but they also wouldn't outright attack others with their words either in my opinion. They would simply state things as matter of fact and move on. Despite that, however, I'm going to read the Contact Notes of Billy Meier and make a more informed decision about who's being truthful.

Thank you all for the info!

[raff]

Apparently B. Marciniak did openly come out and say that the pleiadians she was channeling were reptilians. In Jelaila Starrs book (she's only written a couple and I can't remember which) she was at a expo and came out publicly annoying a lot of people and i believe slowed or at least stopped channeling since then.

[Twelve]

Didn't find anything about Marciniak admitting that, but from the bit of reading I did about Starr, it's much more likely that she's the one who's the disinformant. Ahhhh.... it gets more and more complicated

One thing to add, is that David Icke, who's work I greatly respect and who is someone that I think has done more to expose the truth about the world we live in than almost anyone else, mentions (in his book the Perception Deception) that he personally knows Barbara Marciniak and has read her books and finds her very grounded and real. This coming from a man who's entire career has centered on exposing lies and secret agendas of the powers that rule this world.... Just something to think about..

[EdithGibbs]

it always amuses me when the moderators n avenues of belief are questioned. We as a society have swallowed unbelieval lies throughout our lives. The information from a the Pleaidians is more believable than that of thousands years or more "everything has been a lie".
I personally believe all of these writers regarding their experiences. I was i

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Twelve, I hope you enjoy your Avalon experience

In my eyes, it all eventually comes to our own expactations from it - are we looking for a hand to hold tightly or maybe some guidelines for an existance that we not yet versed on and aware of. With regards to the quality of the information supplied, a good point for thought is if the suggested 'complete picture' of the material presented is for us human beings to continue our dwelling in a developement and evolvement within the Matrix ( being 'free' but greatly impacted by the needs and developement stage of others, being subordinated to them without our knowledge), or outside of it (becoming complete free soverign beings who are able to interact with others under universal spiritual laws with gentle assistance and considered as equals). The second one is the 'kaviar' of all outcomes but there's a psycological barrier for the fact that we don't request it for ourselves, being the 'beaten species', much as the 'beating', reduced from our own understanding of ourselves and our potential and immersed in amnesia, and with that we are supposed to understand the balance of powers and make our choice... information and encouragement is thrown at us.. not a very comfortable situation. Because for a potentially complete soverign outcome we need to desire it, ask for it and work our butts off for it ourselves so we can be considered as a species who have evolved enough and can be autonomous, but it is a rare destination and is hardly encouraged in any channeling, even the most sympathetic one to the condition of the human race. We ought to keep in mind that our future fate is strongly related to the presence fate of others. There are many considerations to take while we make our stand internally and externally, but eventually, we are all the same body. Different organs with different functions, so, when love, respect, sincerety and integrity and the encouragement for freedom for all leads the way in any one message we recieve, then we know that we can all release this game.

[TargeT]

everything is related, we live in a fractal universe (the scale is just hard to comprehend at times). All true knowledge will be repeated large and small, above and below; you will see echo's of truth everywhere. This is expected.

But a fractal can still be true to the pattern with slight deviation from the greater whole (with a large correction in the wings, as everything ebbs and flows (cycles) in and out of the "master" pattern) so even the "Pleiadian" writings can "sound" right or "resonate" with you, because a lot of the correct pattern is there, just slightly deviated.

But then, you asked for "quick", so here's quick: FRAUD.

There are no saviors from "out there"; unless you consider how disconnected we are from ourselves and our environment; I suppose we are "out there" really... YOU are the hero of your story, act like it!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YTuElM6T50w

[AxisMundi]

Interesting thread and interesting to see the divergent opinions. Personally I found 'Bringers of the Dawn' by Marciniak to be a beautiful and inspired masterpiece. It came across as being very balanced in terms of dealing with many of very frightening topics (Reptilians, STS control system, Genetic Manipulation) and yet wasn't at all delivered in a 'Fear Based' style. It was very much 'This is what is happening and as multi-dimensional souled beings you humans have enough power to DEAL with this'.

I found the chapter(s) on human sexuality to be also very profound and seemed to tie in with alot of ancient Taoist teachings about the real nature and potential power of Male and Female sexual energies.

In contrast, I found Barbara Hand Clow to be almost unreadable. I can't comment on the other Author as haven't read anything by her............

[Lancet]

Everyone and everything has a purpose. I found some of these channellers - B. Marciniak, Bashar, and Delores Canon quite uplifting early on in my awakening. It was like a stepping stone. I still find that they have some relevance, and they are quite fun to watch in a way.

reflect on what they say, take what you need, and move on. And discover other things, and repeat. If you find a great truth then you can choose to internalize it.

JT

[MorningFox]

Posted by waves (here)
I don't think aliens would be using all the slang and sometime backwoods colloquialisms or making the stupid jokes for starters.

Rubbishing something off due to your own lack of understanding isn't really the best thing to do. I understand where you're coming from but how on earth do you know that real channelled information wouldn't use colloquialisms and stupid jokes? After all it's probably that if it is real and does exist, the ideas would come in to the mind in form as knowledge and would still have to be expressed through the human, in the humans terms.

[Pam]

Posted by waves (here)
I bought into Marciniak back then and have discarded it all. Watch any conference video of her awful acting and exaggerated drawl supposedly answering questions while 'channeling'. Even back then Clow set off my red flags bigtime and I walked out of a lecture, but Marciniak does now too in flames, besides having caught on to the whole channelling scam. I don't think aliens would be using all the slang and sometime backwoods colloquialisms or making the stupid jokes for starters. No opinion on Amorah for having spent little time.

I greatly respect your refusal to ignore clues around you and the willingness to question and reconsider.

I have to admit that some of the terminology used by these channellers was a real turn off to me as well. I guess you could consider that the entity using the individual has to operate through the filter of the individual and will therefore pick up on their traits and the way they phrase things.

At the end of the day, if someone has been able to make positive changes from this information it shouldn't really matter where it comes from.