Road to world peace

[Rusalka]

Offering an alternative to all the false flag claims and non stop watching of the news from Paris, analyzing every detail. Let us divert our attention and therefore manifestation a little bit, shall we?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hYl7sHxaBZc

[observer]

Yes araucaria, how perfectly silly of me; a fool such as I. Of course, you must be right.... it's depression.... and possibly because my mommy didn't properly potty train me. I should listen to all those calming voices of reason. How could I ever consider walking into a crowded room of peaceful souls, yelling "fire" - never mind the exit doors are all ablaze. Of course, you are right.

I should just go back to my room and listen to all those many channels to whom I spent so many years of my adult life believing. How correct you all are when you chant, "our reality is created by our individual thoughts". This all makes perfect sense to me now. How could I ever have doubted it all.

Everybody, just ignore observer's anti-social tendencies.... He's just a bit delusional.... Everybody, just breath deeply.... Keep moving, there's nothing to see here....

Puff....

[Delight]

Posted by araucaria (here)
It is only natural when one feels alone to… feel alone; the only way out is to accept contradiction from someone telling you you are not alone. This difficulty is why places like Avalon are so useful: people here reach out indiscriminately to anyone and everyone, and so it is easier to break down that barrier. If not you, some reader will surely find this useful; so please take it from me, I am not talking about you at all. Let’s just thank you for this opportunity to put this out for whomever it may concern.

Thank you for sharing so much of yourself. I know how feeling alone does just what you say...leads to more feeling alone. Thanks. Maggie

[araucaria]

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
It is only natural when one feels alone to… feel alone; the only way out is to accept contradiction from someone telling you you are not alone. This difficulty is why places like Avalon are so useful: people here reach out indiscriminately to anyone and everyone, and so it is easier to break down that barrier. If not you, some reader will surely find this useful; so please take it from me, I am not talking about you at all. Let’s just thank you for this opportunity to put this out for whomever it may concern.

Thank you for sharing so much of yourself. I know how feeling alone does just what you say...leads to more feeling alone. Thanks. Maggie

Thank you Maggie, that's all right. Observer's reaction, on the other hand, would be extremely hurtful if I didn't have at least some idea where he is coming from, so that's all right too, and as I said, not unexpected.

[ulli]

In 1983 I thought that I had found the road to peace when I joined the Baha'i community. The main keyword was "unity", or rather "unity in diversity", but I soon found out that there was too much push for uniforminity. Too much for my liking, anyway. And who were all those people who managed to take control of the rest? And why did they push to spread the teachings only to the least educated? Because that way they maintained the control they were seeking. So much for equal rights!
Anyway, I became more cynical each year. And disillusioned. Having been raised on a farm which was surrounded by bomb craters by a German mother who had been in a Russian POW camp with all the psychological fall-out such a destiny could produce I sought for my mission. In my immature stage I thought it was to escape unhappiness by making money and join the ranks of the rich and famous. After getting a more spiritual vision of life I became a seeker, and like observer started investigating metaphysical stuff. In my early twenties I found all sorts of metaphysical books for which London was a treasure trove.
But then came the doubts in their authenticity. Few teachings really cut it, or convinced me. And I remember the day that I began to wonder if Baha'u'llah's message was not just a telepathic implant from some secret societies. Or some ET, the same one that was behind the other Abrahamic religions.
Yes, there is telepathy. Lots of evidence to support that. But can one trust that promise of world peace?
Will an education of political correctness ensure that there will be no more wars?
My hunch now is that only the artificial lowering of testosterone levels in men and estrogen changes in women can make a dent in this old paradigm.

[araucaria]

Posted by ulli (here)
But can one trust that promise of world peace?

“Promise” suggests a two-stage process of saying and doing. Mind that gap! You can’t have a piece of Peace, you just enter it as one state, no gaps, no empty promises, no need for trust in the future. It is trust right now.

My hunch now is that only the artificial lowering of testosterone levels in men and estrogen changes in women can make a dent in this old paradigm.

This might help, yes. And also the lowering of captogen levels in certain populations, including but by no means limited to terrorists.
http://xrdarabia.org/2009/05/05/the-saudi-drug-problem/

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
But can one trust that promise of world peace?

“Promise” suggests a two-stage process of saying and doing. Mind that gap! You can’t have a piece of Peace, you just enter it as one state, no gaps, no empty promises, no need for trust in the future. It is trust right now.

My hunch now is that only the artificial lowering of testosterone levels in men and estrogen changes in women can make a dent in this old paradigm.

This might help, yes. And also the lowering of captogen levels in certain populations, including but by no means limited to terrorists.
http://xrdarabia.org/2009/05/05/the-saudi-drug-problem/

I followed the link and it appears that captogen acts like an amphetamine would.
The fact that such a large part of the population want to boost their performance levels tells me that the cultural pressure is such that many people feel the need to keep up with that pressure. So, actually, without that artificial boost they may be more docile and hence less prone to go on a war path.
So, who supplies them?
Reminded again of Terrence McKenna's words: "culture is not your friend."

[araucaria]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
But can one trust that promise of world peace?

“Promise” suggests a two-stage process of saying and doing. Mind that gap! You can’t have a piece of Peace, you just enter it as one state, no gaps, no empty promises, no need for trust in the future. It is trust right now.

My hunch now is that only the artificial lowering of testosterone levels in men and estrogen changes in women can make a dent in this old paradigm.

This might help, yes. And also the lowering of captogen levels in certain populations, including but by no means limited to terrorists.
http://xrdarabia.org/2009/05/05/the-saudi-drug-problem/

I followed the link and it appears that captogen acts like an amphetamine would.
The fact that such a large part of the population want to boost their performance levels tells me that the cultural pressure is such that many people feel the need to keep up with that pressure. So, actually, without that artificial boost they may be more docile and hence less prone to go on a war path.
So, who supplies them?
Reminded again of Terrence McKenna's words: "culture is not your friend."

It removes fear and empathy, and is produced chiefly in Lebanon and now Syria

http://www.liberation.fr/planete/201...-jihad_1341671

[greybeard]

I very much get what you are saying Ulli. Any religious community will eventually spawn leadership--for the best possible reasons no doubt.

For myself non-duality does it --there is a wealth of teaching--ancient and modern ---without any hierarchy---buildings--collections.
You move at your own pace---you can have or not have a teacher.
All your own choice--whatever you are led to and that will evolve and change--you are not stuck with your original choice of teaching--teacher.
For me this has proven to be a road to peace.
The proof is that I now have a peaceful fairly quiet mind and a nature that is ok with myself and others.
Challenges abound but they seem to resolve them selves in the main.
This teacher helped greatly.


"To endeavor to evolve spiritually is the greatest gift one can give. It actually uplifts all mankind from within because of the nature of power itself. Power radiates and is shared...All society is subliminally and subtly influenced by every kind and loving thought, word, or deed. Every forgiveness is a benefit to everyone."

Quoting
The Eye of the I pg 204
Written by the late Dr David Hawkins

Great book, I can recommend it.
Best wishes
Chris

[ulli]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I very much get what you are saying Ulli. Any religious community will eventually spawn leadership--for the best possible reasons no doubt.

For myself non-duality does it --there is a wealth of teaching--ancient and modern ---without any hierarchy---buildings--collections.
You move at your own pace---you can have or not have a teacher.
All your own choice--whatever you are led to and that will evolve and change--you are not stuck with your original choice of teaching--teacher.
For me this has proven to be a road to peace.
The proof is that I now have a peaceful fairly quiet mind and a nature that is ok with myself and others.
Challenges abound but they seem to resolve them selves in the main.
This teacher helped greatly.


"To endeavor to evolve spiritually is the greatest gift one can give. It actually uplifts all mankind from within because of the nature of power itself. Power radiates and is shared...All society is subliminally and subtly influenced by every kind and loving thought, word, or deed. Every forgiveness is a benefit to everyone."

Quoting
The Eye of the I pg 204
Written by the late Dr David Hawkins

Great book, I can recommend it.
Best wishes
Chris

I used to lurk on a number of non-duality forums.
None exist today, as all the members ended up accusing one another of still being in duality.
I was quite ironic. That's where my ideas were born; re. testosterone being the culprit.

[Skyhaven]

Castrated dogs will bite just as hard when treated badly...

[greybeard]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
I very much get what you are saying Ulli. Any religious community will eventually spawn leadership--for the best possible reasons no doubt.

For myself non-duality does it --there is a wealth of teaching--ancient and modern ---without any hierarchy---buildings--collections.
You move at your own pace---you can have or not have a teacher.
All your own choice--whatever you are led to and that will evolve and change--you are not stuck with your original choice of teaching--teacher.
For me this has proven to be a road to peace.
The proof is that I now have a peaceful fairly quiet mind and a nature that is ok with myself and others.
Challenges abound but they seem to resolve them selves in the main.
This teacher helped greatly.


"To endeavor to evolve spiritually is the greatest gift one can give. It actually uplifts all mankind from within because of the nature of power itself. Power radiates and is shared...All society is subliminally and subtly influenced by every kind and loving thought, word, or deed. Every forgiveness is a benefit to everyone."

Quoting
The Eye of the I pg 204
Written by the late Dr David Hawkins

Great book, I can recommend it.
Best wishes
Chris

I used to lurk on a number of non-duality forums.
None exist today, as all the members ended up accusing one another of still being in duality.
I was quite ironic. That's where my ideas were born; re. testosterone being the culprit.

Yes I get that too Ulli---the thread here, which is loosely non-duality, (enlightenment and related matters) has been going God only knows how many years without a cross word.
Good company and just a few regular participants.
What ever works--in that respect we are all different.

Regards Chris

[Calz]

Much wisdom shared ... diverse ... polar in some cases ... paradoxical???

I don't know ... the more I learn the more I understand that humbling fact.

Where do the "voices in the head" come from???

Some are sought ... others simply come.





My friend observer makes some good points ... the odds of peace seem to rank right up there with the lotto winners.

... and yet ...

Chris mentions David Hawkins who I have read much of.

I also popped for one of his audio works and probably what impressed me most of all (perhaps cuz I could hear his voice, inflection and sincerity) was when he said:

*everything* is *exactly* as it should be ...

That has always stuck with me (although the vast majority of my "new age" book collection has not).


Peace???


Perhaps that isn't what we are here to learn???


Regardless ... since there is such a massive organized push by the NWO to instigate "WW3" (against Islam) I will post this by Cat Stevens (prior to changing his name along with his priorities in life).


Just cuz I can and like balance ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gLG91tOLPdQ

[greybeard]

Yes Claz--it seems The Universe--The Totality brings everything about.
There is a move in human consciousness towards peace.
Much compassion is shown for those deserving it.
Not that much hate--get even--etc is actually being shown.
So thats a definite improvement.

Through the Internet people are becoming aware that others are just like them.
Easier to hate a faceless enemy than see the havoc brought about by some in the name of peace by our own country.
That is changing people are beginning to awaken to the point of questioning--"What is really going on here??"
Main media is no longer believed automatically.
Some media men are actually beginning to question what is going on.
We no longer see our country as being the good guy.

There is hope and there is evidence enough to sustain and justify that hope.

Chris

[Delight]

Posted by ulli (here)
None exist today, as all the members ended up accusing one another of still being in duality.
I was quite ironic. That's where my ideas were born; re. testosterone being the culprit.

I think you are correct about the effects of testosterone.

I know that this may be off topic for some but I consider this work here described on C2C to be about what we are doing here as people who observe a planet whole scale. We also observe on a small scale and how can we have peace? Everyone I admire points me in the direction of "becoming peace". But how do we achieve that? IMO, we did not know how to achieve that and we're here for the purpose to learn to create changes in matter based on changing OUR Mind.

We also are not fully feeling connected to being "the One". To me that is the nonduality talk versus "experience" I do not want to talk the talk divorced form experience. None of us do...we want to be the real thing. We are learning this as a whole. Individually is the way through practice. BUT information is for the mind. Talk cannot suffice but it can tease.

If we know that through practice we are energy and information that creates, we are definitely not as attached to the outcome of any momentary events. If one does not know, one will react. I will experience an affect of circumstances imagined in chains of events.

My family has members who seriously think we could just "nuke" the middle east to solve the problems. Testosterone hate.
That is so far off my chart as to make communication impossible. And what of the ping pong where hate triggers action that leads to more hate and more action. I see all that as being matters we must separate out from to change. So, since we are here and since we have the inkling FOR peace, IMO that is the Big Top Show and we the stars.

We are each on such different paths that it almost proves to me that the world is not meant to be "real". It is meant to stretch us to the max. I am so far from peaceful myself that I cannot judge the emotions of "war".

On the other hand, if I was asked to shoot someone, I know that I would refuse. I know I am afraid of pain, not death but I will not lower my standard to save the body.. I doubt terrorism's purpose can be brainwashed into my psyche. I have too much information that is a larger context to act out now. That to me is progress....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v1E3Yoj4PGo

From the video
"Subjective mind has an effect on the objective world.
(then there is explanation of how the field of energy collapses to particle "collapsing the wave function")
Somebody's mind (the observer) observing that affect caused energy to collapse into matter.
When they turned away that particle turned back into energy. (That is called a quantum event).

Physicists agree it works on the very small (micro) but we are macro.
We are "particularized" on a macro scale in our physical focus.
Dr. Dispenza suggests from in his research, we are all more "matter" and less "energy" in awareness.
he suggests that when one is caught in material focus, one cannot exert much influence on the creation of matter
Energy to matter creates, not matter to matter.

[Skyhaven]

Well yes, when you view a human being as a machine soley acting upon chemistry... I personally believe there is a bit more to it than that.

[Skyhaven]

Ps why do people in these kinds of discussions only thank the ones they agree with... I say, thank you all for your perspectives!!!

[greybeard]

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
Ps why do people in these kinds of discussions only thank the ones they agree with... I say, thank you all for your perspectives!!!

Not guilty--smiling.
I agree with you---I sometimes just thank people because they took the effort to post and yes opposing views widen my perspective and are thanked too.
If I feel like disagreeing I will say so, but still thank the other for their response.
We are on the same page Skyhaven.

Chris

[Delight]

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
Well yes, when you view a human being as a machine soley acting upon chemistry... I personally believe there is a bit more to it than that.

I just want to throw in an idea about the material uncovered by Joe Dispenza. First off, YES, we are totally machine-like IF we are just at the mercy of the body mind. Dispenza suggests that the body is the "unconscious" mind itself that has memorized a set of patterns and reacts through changes in biochemistry.

That is not all there is of us, he talks about going to an aspect of self where we are no body, nothing, no one. It is the field. From there we gain attention for our ability to set up new conditions of biochemistry of "our machine". It enlarges into very strange metaphysical experiences of healing, of gaining 360 degree awareness, changing one's reality experience.....all just now being learned.

It is likely that many humans are totally controlled by this condition where the body mind is in a primarily programmed state.

The work here is about our consciousness awakening in the body. It is definitely not about "just being chemistry cascades at work". The body mind operates in a state of unconscious reaction unless we are able to direct the process. He did it himself when his back was broken. Very intriguing information IMO but one has to do the work.

[Skyhaven]

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
Well yes, when you view a human being as a machine soley acting upon chemistry... I personally believe there is a bit more to it than that.

I just want to throw in an idea about the material uncovered by Joe Dispenza. First off, YES, we are totally machine-like IF we are just at the mercy of the body mind. Dispenza suggests that the body is the "unconscious" mind itself that has memorized a set of patterns and reacts through changes in biochemistry.

That is not all there is of us, he talks about going to an aspect of self where we are no body, nothing, no one. It is the field. From there we gain attention for our ability to set up new conditions of biochemistry of "our machine". It enlarges into very strange metaphysical experiences of healing, of gaining 360 degree awareness, changing one's reality experience.....all just now being learned.

It is likely that many humans are totally controlled by this condition where the body mind is in a primarily programmed state.

The work here is about our consciousness awakening in the body. It is definitely not about "just being chemistry cascades at work". The body mind operates in a state of unconscious reaction unless we are able to direct the process. He did it himself when his back was broken. Very intriguing information IMO but one has to do the work.

Wow great post!

I agree, for many it's very rough to break through the default state of their biochemical make-up. But I believe ones consciousness is leading for the creation of a particular biochemical makeup. Consciousness is a briljant chemist you see. It guides every cell division and every heartbeat, and it knows very well what is doing when its making testosterone. There is a reason why things turn out as they do, there is a plan when you come in, and consciousness embraces the dark side just as much as the light side to get the job done, I believe.

The question is will you embrace the dark side? See that the light is by virtue of the dark.

Can you forgive god(yourself) for the horrors?