Banning a thread

[giovonni]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
There is no cage to be rattled here imo.
And no, no the mods and this Forum is not sliding anyway into chaos and power misuse, you can mark my words.

Regarding the closed thread, the point was very clear as to why. I was trying to help make the threead a bit more possible via asking the op as to what in his opinion were the main arguments in the video. In that particular setup there was only "I'm convinced about this flat earth thingie, but you need to look at the videos (and first actually find them) to be even able to have an opinion about it". My paraphrasing..

I mean: set up a thread and present it properly and you can "get away" with just about anything.

Other thing that is good to mention here: the mods are imo very delicate considering what threads to close - imho we would all benefit from everybody thinking not once but ten times over whether the thread I am about to post is concise, well presented, not already gone through and finally: does the quality of the Forum go up when my thread is posted or at the moment it is closed? At the moment the majority of new threads are spur-of-the-moment-byproducts(I know, I've done that) - we could do with less of that and more of "less-is-more".

In that sense I would say that the free speech is not a king I would bow to - the one who knows when to be silent I would consider. Everybody "freespeeching" at will is chaos, only after censorship is introduced(Preferably by oneself or if need be by another party), free speech starts to be functional. Otherwise it's like transmitting all radio stations at the same time at the same frequency.

UT

I Totally Agree ...

But coming from me that's kind of an oxymoron ...

[Rocky_Shorz]

seriously, the earth is flat...

if you look at it on a computer screen, walk beside the computer and look, the dang thing disappears, in fact it is not only flat, it disappears the whole way around it until you complete the whole circle and are back where you began...

from my experience, I'm convinced the world is flat...

on a computer screen...


now I just shared a personal experience with all of you, and you know what?

I have no fear that Avalon wants to kick me out...

I have no fear they want to delete my post...


it's all in the delivery...

I always did hate clowns, that is a major fear of most humans, no idea why...

[Atlas]

Posted by Hervé (here)
The education these individuals received [...]

George Carlin - Dumbed Down Education

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WGL8FEMc378

[Atlas]

Posted by Paul (here)
I would censor your comment about censoring [...]

Censoring comments about censoring... that's an interesting question! Should we censor the censorship...?

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yWHhLfc0VLg

[Bubu]

Posted by M0JFK (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
Yet another useless distracting thread was closed. Thanks to the mods.

why not ban the poster as well or maybe slap with a suspension. For me knowingly posting an unwanted (by the great majority of the group) thread is like mocking. just a thought.

Take the pi.. out of Fulford and you will get a suspension. On the grounds of being rude to members according to the moderator...I pointed out that Fulford was not a member of this forum so whats the score with my suspension...NO REPLY. Moderators always ruin sites and they will ruin this one...just a matter of time and you Bubu are just one more member in an ever growing number that the moderators manage to pi.. off. I wouldnt ban Fulfords news but if we are going to start baning rubbish because it is self evident (like the flat earth alternative view) then lets start doing it with Fulford also. You see you can argue for any censorship but when the censorship starts you become worse than the so called people (elites) you castigated for censorship. Golden rule is free speech, your either for it or your against it. If its rude its rude, if its touchy its touchy...but in the end it is YOU the reader that should decide if you want to read rubbish or not...its your choice to do so not the bl..dy moderators.
So what if it brings the site into dis-repute or makes us look foolish... dont yeah think the people in the alternative media already bare that bl..dy label? so what?
No censorship, no baring of topics, your either for free speech or you aint...no middle road folks...you only need to post a disclaimer if your so concerned about what people may think and if you do then your in the wrong game here and I would take up knitting and leave the alternative community to the grown up's.

you seem to have forgotten the magic word... "balance" and all of us should guard it. No mods can abuse, just go on deleting threads if we are vigilant. Not different from the PTB we let them do their crap. On the other hand we just cant let the little villager go s*** around the village where neighbors can smell it just because he likes to do so.

[Skyhaven]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
So silencing the conspiracists on the CONSPIRACY BOARD is a little off to me.

You seem to think that this is a conspiracy forum, and that therefore, were it not for the arbitrary biases of the mods, all conspiracies would be welcome.

Not so.

We're not a conspiracy forum.

We're a shared understanding, awareness and support forum.

We gather here to support each other, in various ways such as we can via a web forum, including a search for better understanding and awareness.

Revisiting nonsense, that has already been thoroughly debunked, is a distraction from our work, and not welcome here.

If you hold to the principle that all theories are equally valid, because there is no shared reality that we can come to better understand, in a cooperative effort, then ... well you're welcome to think whatever you want. You own your thoughts, not us.

But don't expect this forum, its owner and his selected moderators, to run this this forum by such principles.

In other words, not all conspiracy theories are created equally. Some help shed more light on our situation; some are, in the views of the forum's owner and moderators, nonsensical distractions. Some are welcome here. Some are not.

... and that's that.

No I don't think this is a conspiracy forum, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I was just referring to the conspiracy sub forum.

[Citizen No2]

Regards.

[Snoweagle]

Great work and thank you to the Moderation Team.

What a firecracker of revelation of some of Avalons most proficient and "respected" posters to advocate discussion based on the "right to free speech". Driving the guilt "skewer" to force engagement and then the gang "warfare", "good cop, bad cop" arguments swinging back and forth, advocating crushing dissenters to their lies.

Begone the lot of you, only one has unsubscribed so far. Not nearly enough.

This activity we witness here is key to understanding why the world is in the mess it is in right now. The sheeple sit and hide, instead of raising their game and challenging this type of nonsense, they bury their heads in the sand hoping nobody notices them. Hoping it will go away. Hoping somebody else will stand and and shout for them.

This argument is a poison to the mind. It creates a "clown" intellect to be forever mocked by this small select group and they celebrate quietly amongst themselves at their collective intellectual destruction of mankind. This debate is one of many that in isolation is deemed fickle, yet overall with a range of disengenuous promotions elsewhere are driving the world back into the "stone age".

I celebrate the Moderation team here at Avalon. As argumentally "neutered" as I am with my own warnings from the same team, I "kneel to my sword" with absolute respect for their stance on this matter.

[joeecho]

Forever they will live in Flatland, for their greatest fear is the truly unknown. They shall be comforted with their summa cum laude degrees from Flatland University and like minded fellow Flatland scholars.

[jake gittes]

Posted by Citizen No2 (here)
Attachment 31937

Regards.

That's great, Citizen No2!! That poster should be plastered everywhere.

[jake gittes]

Perhaps it would have been better just to have merged the new flat earth thread with the existing one, where the information/debating is already posted on the subject.

If the point is to not waste people's time on a topic deemed a time waster, a re-direct to Crazy Thread Wasteland would likely not have caused as much of a forum disruption as what is now a 3-page thread about it.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi there, All —

It may sometimes be helpful to consider how the mods make these kinds of decisions... part of the context of which is de facto invisible to most members. And that's the application process.

As almost all of you know from your own experience, whether it was last week or several years ago, we ask members to outline something about themselves so that we can get a sense — both intuitive and data-driven — of who a prospective new member seems to be. This usually works really pretty well, though very occasionally we do make mistakes and let someone in who really should have been excluded right from the start.

And we DO sometimes exclude people at the start. We usually reject one or more applications every day. None of these are likely to be 'bad people' — but sometimes, their views seem to be immature, extreme, angry, prejudiced, inappropriate... you may get the idea. If we didn't have this filter in place, many threads might end up like YouTube channel comments.

The reason I'm explaining all this is to point out that not everything goes here. And not anyone, either. This is what makes Avalon the very special place it is. As Wade Frazier himself wrote yesterday (the honor of the millionth Avalon post serendipitously went to him)

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)

being at Avalon is by far the best forum experience that I ever had, and it is an honor to write here.

Quite so, and long may it stay that way.

For that reason, posts or threads made by someone who we might not have included if we'd known more of what their values and interests are may be removed, or threads closed. And, in extreme cases, we may acknowledge that we made a mistake — which we do sometimes — and realize that that person should really not have been a member in the first place.

What does this all mean? It means that at Avalon there is NOT an open season on

• Abuse
• Arrogance
• Extreme, unpleasant views
• Promoting clear falsehoods or prejudice of various kinds
• Or, in some cases, sheer uninformed unintelligence.

[Lionhawk]

You know, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but this all comes down to common sense. Ask yourself, "Who do you want in your house?" Free speech you say? What about the abuse of free speech? Or the abuse of your free agency? Lipstick on a pig? It's still a pig no matter how much lipstick you put on it.

Looking back, I can probably say I have been through most sides of this argument called "Censorship." We can easily get caught up in ourselves and our take on things without even thinking that there might be someone out there who might be younger and we are not setting a positive example for them. If it's not good for everyone, then it's not good for everyone! Consideration and respect so often gets laid to the wayside because of our selfish righteousness, not considering the whole.

It's called integrity. Which the world seems to be in short supply of. As of now, this house of Avalon has the best team of mods I have yet experienced. This hasn't always been the case but it is in the NOW.

I've dealt with the troll pollution on YouTube. I no longer comment on YouTube because of it. I've also dealt with a lot of trolls on forum boards. It's no picnic.

Meet Candy Bacon



And when you have your bacon and eggs in the morning and you find your bacon tastes like cherry chapstick, you might think it is the 9th wonder of the world.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Bubu (here)

Posted by M0JFK (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
Yet another useless distracting thread was closed. Thanks to the mods.

why not ban the poster as well or maybe slap with a suspension. For me knowingly posting an unwanted (by the great majority of the group) thread is like mocking. just a thought.

Take the pi.. out of Fulford and you will get a suspension. On the grounds of being rude to members according to the moderator...I pointed out that Fulford was not a member of this forum so whats the score with my suspension...NO REPLY. Moderators always ruin sites and they will ruin this one...just a matter of time and you Bubu are just one more member in an ever growing number that the moderators manage to pi.. off. I wouldnt ban Fulfords news but if we are going to start baning rubbish because it is self evident (like the flat earth alternative view) then lets start doing it with Fulford also. You see you can argue for any censorship but when the censorship starts you become worse than the so called people (elites) you castigated for censorship. Golden rule is free speech, your either for it or your against it. If its rude its rude, if its touchy its touchy...but in the end it is YOU the reader that should decide if you want to read rubbish or not...its your choice to do so not the bl..dy moderators.
So what if it brings the site into dis-repute or makes us look foolish... dont yeah think the people in the alternative media already bare that bl..dy label? so what?
No censorship, no baring of topics, your either for free speech or you aint...no middle road folks...you only need to post a disclaimer if your so concerned about what people may think and if you do then your in the wrong game here and I would take up knitting and leave the alternative community to the grown up's.

you seem to have forgotten the magic word... "balance" and all of us should guard it. No mods can abuse, just go on deleting threads if we are vigilant. Not different from the PTB we let them do their crap. On the other hand we just cant let the little villager go s*** around the village where neighbors can smell it just because he likes to do so.

some people really don't understand the power of words...

when you say this source is a dork... it is a direct hammer on the person who you are upset with...

when you say everyone who thinks this guy is real is a complete moron, you are insulting members.

it's really that simple...


Avalon is a forum that has world changing discussions that are archived through history, what we write here will be studied a 1000 years from now.

now when you go into a discussion of interest, and can't hold back from joining, before you post just a few simple questions...

Am I adding to the knowledge base?
Am I positive this is wrong because I was there and saw this...
are you replying to a member whether on topic or not, but it is important at the moment.
like learning Target has an injured knee, finding out why was more important to me than the OP, because he is a friend.
or am I just putting worthless words on the screen?

now that last one we get writers block from, no one feels they are perfect in delivering what they want to say, and many members delete and don't post because they have such high standards in what they want to contribute.

I'm guilty of babbling and posting stuff I shouldn't often, but that keeps the writers block from dropping in front of me, so do it anyways. We all have our Quirks...

none of us like trolls who joined for disruption, and our mod team is amazingly forgiving, offering warnings, moderating posts... the last thing they ever want to do is exile someone from our presence.

just be kind and have fun, exciting things are happening all around us, I learn more from popping into Avalon for 10 minutes than I could from watching news for 24 hours a day.

sorry the clown couldn't pull it together, but he won't be the last getting a boot to his posterior on the way out the door...

don't let it be you...

[Savannah]

Of course censorship is bad but that’s not what’s happening on Avalon. I was an academic and thus I understand the benefits and the pit falls of editing. If I submit a poorly referenced and poorly researched article for publication it will be rejected. That’s not censorship. It’s for the benefit of the readers of that Journal because they don’t waste their time or money buying and reading junk. Journal’s a have panel of “Peer Reviewers” and an Editor. If they reject an article it is not based on not liking an idea. It is based not using accepted research designs, logical arguments, presenting some type of evidence, logical arguments, collaborating facts etc. If I write about Flat Earth and also proved no new evidence worth listening to the Editor and Panel will rejects it because “it contributes nothing new to the field of study”. It is not about censoring its about quality control.

I had my work censored by the New Editor of Ozark Mountain Press Recently . see my Avalon thread “I Need Some Sage Advise”. My books was accepted by Delores Cannon for Publication because it was Channeling form the Gray’s. When I later wanted to add information into the book that would discredit channeling the book was rejected. That’s censorship, pure and simple.

I don’t see Avalon rejecting new ideas. New topics are discussed analyzed and we try to figure out if it has valuable or another Psy Op to keep us chasing our tails. To me it is the most valuable aspect of this forum. My frustration with this Forum is that at times it also has too much information. Why do people re- blog what’s in blogs unless they have something to say about it or they want feedback from others about its value. I can read all that junk out there, I come here for some signal from the noise and not being the victim of another Psy Op.

We all know why this is happening, to make it difficult to know what’s true but it also makes you feel angry and you question your discernment when you think something is real only to later find out it isn’t. They have really found out a good way not only keep us going in circles but makes us feel bad about ourselves and want to give up at times.

I have written a couple of times about my frustration with the disinformation and nonsense on the internet. I really appreciated http://montalk.net/ because he researched his subjects and supported his ideas. I wish we could go further on Avalon or maybe a sister site the likes of Wikipedia for Truthers. It would present the topic, the major contributors, the basic research and why many do or not support it. We need to find a way to fight back against this Psy Op and what Avalon did by removing this tread is one small part in making that happen.

[joeecho]

There are at least two sides to every story. It is ashame when it comes across as one.

Education is most assuredly a collective.

[Sierra]

Posted by joeecho (here)
There are at least two sides to every story. It is ashame when it comes across as one.

Education is most assuredly a collective.

Oh heavens, only two? Heh, not in the collective of Avalon moderators lol.

[Skyhaven]

Many out here actually perceive Avalon as a real community, a community that adheres to important communal values like tolerance, equality, freedom of speech and what not, but in reality it is a website that offers information on a broad range of topics. Sure we can socialize and be nice to each other but that's as far as the whole community concept goes for a website. In the end its about having some worth while content to absorb, and like any website in the end the owner of the website determines what gets to be on it and what not.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
Many out here actually perceive Avalon as a real community, a community that adheres to important communal values like tolerance, equality, freedom of speech and what not, but in reality it is a website that offers information on a broad range of topics. Sure we can socialize and be nice to each other but that's as far as the whole community concept goes for a website. In the end its about having some worth while content to absorb, and with any website in the end the owner of the website determines what gets to be on it and what not.

Well, maybe I can comment in a way to flesh this out a little.

Avalon is certainly not only about information. It's about friendship and more, connection for people who may have felt isolated and/or misunderstood much of their lives, support, encouragement, inspiration, healing, growth, the acquisition of new skills and abilities, understanding of bewildering experiences, and every kind of aesthetics, fun and humor. It's a real community in every sense... except for the physical co-presence.

Lives change here. That doesn't always happen when watching YouTube on one's own!

And the 'owner' (yours truly!) doesn't actually make most of the decisions. They're made to a very large degree through consensus or pure delegation among a very able and committed team. And what many reading this might have noticed many times is that I (and often the other mods) often don't have to say a word... the other members frequently take care of issues and questions themselves.

Although I felt I quite wanted to make this post myself, my guess is that there'd be many other members who might have replied in similar vein to add the above... with kindness and courtesy, as I hope I have done here myself.

[Lionhawk]

For the censorship in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Censorship.
Madama Anastasie (allegory of censorship) by André Gill, June 19, 1874

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.[1]


IMO, there are two types of information. Firsthand or secondhand. The latter is always subjective. You either "hope" or "fear" the information to be true or false. You either believe it or you don't. What has more value? Firsthand of course. Secondhand information has to be proven out into a knowing that can be validated. So in reality, most of the information here is secondhand. Although a poster may reveal a firsthand account, it is still secondhand to you. You didn't experience what the poster experienced. That is what firsthand information is about. Experience. Belief is a far cry away from experience.

If folks want to subscribe into the believing game, getting all caught up on something they can't prove otherwise and use that to insult folks on top of that......you wonder why the world is in a mess? Blue pill or the red one? All we can do is share our experiences and not expect folks to believe you, unless you can provide real evidence to the contrary.

All this political correctness is driving me nuts. If you come into my house, I will treat you with the utmost respect. But if you come into my house and insult it with everyone in here, am I supposed to say I love you for doing that? Then I am the idiot for allowing a moron to do that. Plain and simple.

This forum is not what I would call a publishing company in the sense of being in the business of publishing books. Although I cheer anyone here to pursue that quest and use what you have learned from here in the sense of firsthand experiences vs. writing editorials on secondhand gossip. If you believe in something then prove it out and you will go far with that endeavor.

If the subject matter is an inconvenience, then so be it. I don't think Bill has asked the impossible. He has also admitted that mistakes have also been made. You have to make some before you succeed. If you stick with it you will gain maturity. I think Bill has done that in a very graceful fashion.

One thing that also drives me a little batty is someone will post a new thread like everyday. Flash in the pan kind of stuff. Polarizing flypaper. Just seeking your opinion on secondhand information. Bout as useless as the newspaper in my outhouse. IMO. So I will excise my free agency and just stay away from gossip type postings. No good ever seems to come of it.

And this is coming from someone who had a thread banned at Avalon. I finally got the memo. And I will call myself an idiot for finally realizing why. I'm such a hard head at times.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg