Closing the Avalon accounts of two long standing members

[promezeus]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Jeffrey (here)
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I disagree with your premise, vigorously.

And I do, as well.

Jeff — forgive me, but I have to say this.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You use the word 'love' a lot, but your posts portray you as shallowly pious and self-righteous in an area where you don't know the facts — and, more worryingly, don't seem to be at all interested in what they really may be.

A true friend would have written me (or any of the other mods) privately, with sincere concern, knowing all the parties involved (and, heaven knows, maybe being in a position to help... did that ever occur to you? That's an honest question) — to ask in confidence what on earth had really happened.

But instead, you're grandstanding, and making yourself look not only naive but naively judgmental and naively opinionated. Your posts here have made up a sequence of saccharine, thinly-disguised insults.

I'd have thought you to be more wise, caring, and balanced. But rather, you seem to want to be a preacher, and quite a condescending one, too. You may have a lot to learn before you ever start talking with wisdom to real people about the real world, from which you appear to be very detached.

Here's one of your insults: implicit in your judgment is that the entire notion of love and trust (and, with that, an almost superhuman degree of responsibility, care and patience, too) was somehow quite unknown to myself or any of the moderators.

You seem to be saying that love, together with all these other qualities, was somehow quite absent. And — you suggest, really very arrogantly, that you may be the only person in the room who really knows what love is.

How wrong you are. You just couldn't be further from the truth.

If you want to know that truth, then write to me privately, and tell me in equal truth that you'd genuinely like to know exactly what happened over the course of the last 14 months. That'd be entirely welcome. But only if your request is sincere.

In reply, I'll give you my very best shot, and maybe the other mods will too. It might take a bit of time, because there's a great deal of detail, all documented.

But if you really don't want to know, then please leave this thread... and stop pretending to be a friend when you seem barely qualified to know what that really means.

These Jeffrey and Ruiner type infestations are exactly the kind of transhuman, stockholm syndrome, zombie humans that are being deliberately 'created' by the ptb as a cancer to infect all of humanity.
Biology researchers say that the normal healthy ratio of good to bad bacteria in the intestines is 85% to 15%. That's interesting and can be extrapolated to humanity at large.
A limited amount of adversity or bad bacteria infestation is healthy, but when a critical level is breached, and the Immune system can't fight it off, then the organism i.e individual or humanity, begins to succumb and die.
So it's up to us, the immune system of the planet, to stand up for what we know to be healthy in our GUTS.

[Ciaran]

Sorry to hear what happened to you Bill, as they say its only your friends and family that can **** you over, I have read a lot of new age nonsense spouted in this thread in regards to how you should deal or feel with this situation, a thief is a thief and no matter which way people want to spin it you are entitled to feel how you wish, righteous anger is a gift from the creator it can be a very powerful force for change, at least you got to see the true nature of these people involved and they are not part of your life anymore, this idea that we should automatically forgive people who wrong us is a programmed flaw by the elites, so that we don’t get off our knees and do something about the horrible injustices that are perpetrated against humanity on a daily basis, unfortunately we live in a reality were there are human parasites seeking opportunity’s to profit from our kindness and tolerances. What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger brother.

[mosquito]

Sooo much being stirred up here. We can either let it divide us, or we can let it heal us.

Jeffrey - Every message I've ever sent you, every post I've ever made regarding your work has been sincere. I admire your talent and I truly believe you're a blessing to this forum (and to life). Maybe what's going on here is outside of your current experience. That's not meant to be patronizing, just a statement. What's happened would have been outside my range of experience (I'm 57, been to 31 countries, lived and worked in 7, had at least 4 different lives in my 57 years) until 3 and a half months ago, so I'm not criticizing you for anything.

In early 2012 I started a new relationship. There was a huge cultural difference between us, but that was no real problem for me. I respected her wish to refrain from sex unless we were married; I respected her wishes, her values and the wishes of her family. I helped her in every way I could, loved her with the fullnes of my heart, supported her and was paying for her to go to university. She's from a country where you can't get ANY job without a degree; barmaids, supermarket cashiers - all graduates. I struggled through the 3 years, never turned her down, was always there for her when she needed me. I was staying with her in August this year, and noticed that my money appeared to be diminishing. So I set a trap (hating to be suspicious). I simple arranged my backpack and moneybelt in a particular way and waited to see if anything changed ... which it did. The amount was inconsequential, when confronted she admitted it.

The reason I'm telling you all this is because of the question of forgiveness. Whn I confronted my ex, I told her "If I'd had 3 years of joy and bliss with you, I could forgive you. But I haven't. I've had 3 years of stress and struggle. 3 years of respecting YOUR culture with no respect shown to me in return".

And right now, I still have no idea how to process this. No idea how to truly forgive. Sure I pardon her, I'm not going to take legal proceedings against her or anything. As I said, the amount was inconsequential, I just DON'T GET IT. I mean, WHY would would you steal from someone who has always given you everything you want ? From someone who so obviously loves you ? Every so often I just stop whatever it is I'm doing and try to figure it out. And I can't. Not because I'm a spiritual baby or an unwashed troglodyte with my knuckles scraping along the ground. I just don't get it.

Then there's my 2nd wife. But we won't talk about that, suffice it to say that after 12 years I'm no closer to "letting go" or comprhending.

So .... I fully empathise with Bill, I know how unimaginably difficult this kind of thing is to process and how it can threaten to undermine one's belief in human nature.

Be well all.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by promezeus (here)
These Jeffrey... type infestations are exactly the kind of transhuman, stockholm syndrome, zombie humans that are being deliberately 'created' by the ptb as a cancer to infect all of humanity.

Jeffrey’s not an infestation. Click here to get to know the person-whole. It’s a link to the 47 informative threads he’s shared with us.

If you’re short on time then read the titles. You’ll see why I can’t let your comment pass. I’m aware it’s not about the number of threads but it demonstrates Jeffrey's intent to assist in humanity's growth.

One last point, a picture’s worth a thousand words. This is the picture on Jeffrey’s message board. All of this is heart-breaking.

RunningDeer

[Sunny-side-up]

Only read through the first page Bill and I'm quite shocked really, I always thought she was a clean minded spiritual person and glad to think you two where together!
so
Sorry for your: situation, loss of a friend, loss of a partner, you don't deserve any of it

Hope all becomes good for you again and that if so desired you find that true partner for you!

Love
Alan

[Sunny-side-up]

Addition to my last reply here:
I hope Christine and Karelia get over what ever it is that has caused them to go off the rails like it seems they have?

Good health and Love to all
Alan

[Flash]

Hi Fairy Friend,

Do not hesitate again to give, the problem waw quickly solved by Bill. And yes, we call that funds embezzlement and I have seen many charities whose some workforce were caught doing this. It is much worse if giving to a charity for which we did not know, but it was in fact owned by the Clintons or Rockerfellers (similar thing happened to me 2 months ago lol)

I personnally think this thread should be closed too before creating further damages.

Posted by Fairy Friend (here)
How disappointing that money I donated was not used to support Project Avalon as intended and it's being used for who knows what purpose. If I donated to a charity and it was supposed to feed the hungry or give water to those dying of thirst and it is embezzled, then the purpose it was intended for is affected. People who could be helped are not. I hesitate to donate to that charity again as well. The charity may not have hard feelings nor a need to forgive, but there are ripples of those affected and it's purpose derailed.

[Marianne]

Posted by Fairy Friend (here)
How disappointing that money I donated was not used to support Project Avalon as intended and it's being used for who knows what purpose. If I donated to a charity and it was supposed to feed the hungry or give water to those dying of thirst and it is embezzled, then the purpose it was intended for is affected. People who could be helped are not. I hesitate to donate to that charity again as well. The charity may not have hard feelings nor a need to forgive, but there are ripples of those affected and it's purpose derailed.

I understand the disappointment anyone would feel if their hard-earned money donations went to something they hadn't intended.

To clarify, Avalon has a new Pay Pal account now that is as safe as possible, and under Bill Ryan's control. So please feel confident that the donations you make will go to the mission of Avalon.

Here's the post Bill made in August 2015 announcing the new Pay Pal account: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post986025

[giovonni]

This thread development has been very hard to ingest ...

For you have my sympathy Bill in all this very personal business.
As you might recall, I had the pleasure to meet and share a few
days with both You and Christine at the Eceiti Ranch (May 2012).
I remember then, observing a couple who appeared very devoted
and complementary of each other in a closeness of bond.

I do wish you both well, and pray this all will be peacefully resolved soon.

Blessings Always Gio

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Flash (here)
I personnally think this thread should be closed too before creating further damages.

Me, too.....

[poetbil]

i guess ,sometimes you have to be tough
It's ok ,and fair for both parts

[Frenchy]

Posted by Jhonie (here)
My heart goes out to you Bill. I am reminded of Eve Lorgen and her book, The Love Bite:

Your remarks to Bill are very astute and full of feeling. My cause for replying, not simply leaving thanks, is to write I find your post synchronistic, as , totally un-related to PA, I've just sent a long-overdue reply to a friend ( I've never met ), and writing in my mail to her about Eve's book, Love bites ! ! There are reasons for everything in life ! ( HeartSong , puts it brilliantly succicintly, " subject to this thing called life " ! ( School-of-life ? )!

[Lifebringer]

Our prayers for a tenfold financial blessing to ease the wrong done to Bill.

Humph.

[Sierra]

Posted by meeradas (here)
My only instant question was "why public?".
I hope you guys have weighed all the pros and cons of this kind of procedure carefully - beforehand.

As i would hate to see this place break apart over this kind of stuff.

It's the Milabs, Meeradas. The only reason this was made public.

The personal details are a heads up for those who understand character, and integrity *are* the foundation to any relationship.

If Avalon breaks apart protecting some of the most downtrodden people on the planet, it will be a good death, (but I think we're tougher than that).

The topic of Milabs is so misunderstood. Reiterating a little bit from the opening post:

It is also absolutely crucial at this time that we address the delicate subject of the health and safety of Milabs, abductees, ritualistic abuse victims, targeted individuals, and other such systematically abused victims.

The Avalon Community WILL NOT be used as a place where such systematically abused victims are "harvested", or otherwise privately cajoled into experimentation with non-professional counseling or unproven healing modalities, or earmarked as targets to further exploit with private agendas great or small. The moderation team feels it is important to add that Project Avalon does not endorse unprofessional or inexperienced psychological counseling of such victims. We encourage members to report any conduct they feel is to the contrary.

Good counselors save lives. Christine and Karelia appear to be talented, spirited individuals - however they are not trained counselors, nor are they qualified to declare themselves "healers" of what are some of the most psychologically complex and challenging abuse victims. These victims need (and deserve) highly-trained trauma/abuse-victim support. It is our hope that Christine and Karelia will take this into consideration as they tread forward on their path. It will not continue at Avalon!

There are many experienced, professionals available who have specific training in this field, and have been working with victims of such systemic abuse for 25+ years. We highly suggest that members take this into consideration when researching potential help. It is our hope that members will use discernment when joining in focus groups and if engaging, engage with caution when experimenting with various healing modalities.

Sierra

[Sierra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Into every ones life a drop of rain must fall.
Sometimes its a deluge.

Chris

You made me laugh.

Yeah... It's been a year the mods have been processing this and it was hard. Letting go, letting go, the stages of denial, anger, grief, acceptance, removing Skype contact names at one blow, removing names from my roll of Avalon friends at another blow.

Finally standing in prayer, standing in sovereignty, to give a formal farewell with a deliberate cutting of all energetic cords...

It hurt. Really bad. Wept much. Had to be done.

I love the mod team. I loved it when Christine and Claudia were there.

I wish them clarity, wisdom, and strength on the road they've chosen to walk.

Sierra

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All —

As you may have seen, I've not thanked any posts on this thread. It's always a dilemma... if I thank one, I kind of have to thank them all! So I quite often step back from thanking anyone, on some threads. That is never ever personal, in any situation.

But the above post from Sierra needs to be framed and stuck on the wall. I tried to talk about the love present in the mods team to Jeffrey here, but Sierra has just shown it.

Do please understand that many extremely close friendships have been fractured here. There have been many betrayals. The full story has not nearly been told, for all good reasons of sensitivity and propriety. (As Sierra underscored, the entire reason this decision was finally taken, and posted publicly, was to protect Milabs elsewhere on the internet from coming to harm.)

Long may Sierra have the heart of a small planet.. and all the mods do, believe me. She just has a very wonderful way of expressing it sometimes.

[Cristian]

Bill,

It was a relationship.

Thinking of the situation outside the relationship is maybe a waste of time.

That’s why entities are so interesting …understand the past and why.

Why a demonic entity chooses to possess some people? Why? It was a long chain of events that lead to that . Understand the events. The cause.

Why.

One can’t just post on a forum …Christine did this or that…

Why?

Admit she was hurt by you. Admit she was in pain . Admit you understood the energy inside her and the fact that at some point you disregard that. Admit the pain inflicted even if it was not intentional .
Understand the pain.

Nothing is simple ; nothing ‘’ just happens “. There is a cause in everything.

Admit it .

Why…You must know why...you must understand .

For once admit your pain…and forgive somebody else’s.

[Delight]

14 MONTHS! That is a long time. If we were not in the inner PA social group, this was all outside of our reading. Why NOW?

It's the Milabs, Meeradas. The only reason this was made public.

The personal details are a heads up for those who understand character, and integrity *are* the foundation to any relationship.

If Avalon breaks apart protecting some of the most downtrodden people on the planet, it will be a good death, (but I think we're tougher than that).

The topic of Milabs is so misunderstood.

Please explain the choice to disclose the Personal betrayal because of the Milab issue?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Delight (here)
Why NOW?

Because that's how long it took.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Delight (here)
Please explain the choice to disclose the Personal betrayal because of the Milab issue?

If it were just a personal betrayal, we'd surely have taken a different path.

The path that victims of systemic abuse travel is a difficult one. We help each other, whether we are aware of being such a victim our self or not, by sharing information and experiences that may help a little to light the way for others, and to warn of potential dangers.