Closing the Avalon accounts of two long standing members

[greybeard]

If something similar to this arises again--heaven forbid.
On a need to know basis it could be aired in the member only section surely.

I agree with a lot of what Dennis said however, if I was a young girl, raped a year ago and having sought legal redress--shared with friends and found the details on the front page of the local Gazette I would not be over joyed.
Some things should be private and that which affects others perhaps not.

Sure members perhaps should be notified of the possible dangers of accepting healing from the unqualified former members and what allegedly happened to donations.

Accepting that its one thing for me to make suggestions when I was not privy to the discussions between mods, another thing to be part of the process of decisions made.

Chris

[Carmody]

Seek emotional detachment.

I have zero attachment to this thread and it's contents. I have no understanding of the reason it is considered contentious.

I went beyond these sort of emotional convolutions long ago.

[Jake]

Yes grip, go wash! Seems appropriate.

Your ranting is understood. You are completely out of line, but that's your choice.

You are charging Bill with crimes against humanity for how a discussion forum is moderated, while completely ignoring ACTUAL CRIMES?

That is quite interesting.

Make sure you wash behind yer ears!
Jake

[ThePythonicCow]

I have moved the two posts that Jake refers to (in his post, just above) to a new split thread in the Members only area: Split posts from the "Closing Avalon accounts" thread.

I have also placed gripreaper's account on "Moderated" status, which means that his subsequent posts will not become visible to read until they are first reviewed and accepted by a moderator.

We do have a rule on this forum that we don't insult other members. Gripreaper was in clear and substantial violation of that rule.

[Curt]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Seek emotional detachment.

I have zero attachment to this thread and it's contents. I have no understanding of the reason it is considered contentious.

I went beyond these sort of emotional convolutions long ago.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iAKfbVaSN4Y

[Valley]

So it's alright for a mod to insult a member like this, but not ok for a member to insult the mods? Something seems amiss here.

Posted by Jake (here)
Make sure you wash behind yer ears!
Jake

[Jake]

Posted by Valley (here)
So it's alright for a mod to insult a member like this, but not ok for a member to insult the mods? Something seems amiss here.

Posted by Jake (here)
Make sure you wash behind yer ears!
Jake

So after all that has been discussed and all of the implications,,, this comment is what is 'amiss'?

I can respect the maticoulous way in which mods are being held to a high standard! Thank you.

Jake

[Valley]

Hey, somebody's got to watch you guys. I guess that's always been a trait of mine, being "meticulous". I didn't graduate high school as Valedictorian on accident.
Peace...

Posted by Jake (here)

Posted by Valley (here)
So it's alright for a mod to insult a member like this, but not ok for a member to insult the mods? Something seems amiss here.

Posted by Jake (here)
Make sure you wash behind yer ears!
Jake

So after all that has been discussed and all of the implications,,, this comment is what is 'amiss'?

I can respect the maticoulous way in which mods are being held to a high standard! Thank you.

Jake

[Jake]

For the record, Grip,, im sorry for the wee jab! I was continuing a play on words from the 'hot shower' remark. It was perhaps not appropriate, and i apologize. I am glad you are here, of course.

Jake

[greybeard]

Posted by Jake (here)
For the record, Grip,, im sorry for the wee jab! I was continuing a play on words from the 'hot shower' remark. It was perhaps not appropriate, and i apologize. I am glad you are here, of course.

Jake

Aw Jake that was nice of you---its your true nature.
I have a lot of respect for you, I also have a lot of respect for Grip, we have both been here a long time and seen many good friends depart .
I dont always agree with the way he makes a point but he is meticulous in presenting his opinion with the best interests of Avalon in mind.

Chris

[Billy]

Posted by greybeard (here)
If something similar to this arises again--heaven forbid.
On a need to know basis it could be aired in the member only section surely.

I agree with a lot of what Dennis said however, if I was a young girl, raped a year ago and having sought legal redress--shared with friends and found the details on the front page of the local Gazette I would not be over joyed.
Some things should be private and that which affects others perhaps not.

Sure members perhaps should be notified of the possible dangers of accepting healing from the unqualified former members and what allegedly happened to donations.

Accepting that its one thing for me to make suggestions when I was not privy to the discussions between mods, another thing to be part of the process of decisions made.

Chris

Yes heavens forbid Chris.
From a moderation perspective, from day one there was a difficulty separating Avalon business from personal issues, the problem was an energic thread interconnecting at every junction. For example the highjacking of the Avalon donations concerned every member here on Avalon, therefore all members were informed at that time that a new Paypal account had been opened. whereas the theft of Bill's mother's inheritance and other properties not mentioned, was a personal loss for Bill.
The problem was how to separate something which is massively connected energetically. The mods decision was, as all is part of the bigger picture, you cannot separate that which is already connected energetically. I will also add that energetically this goes far beyond anything I have ever encountered. Which includes personal attacks for all involved. Attacks on Avalon, diabolical infections from many sources that spread into loving souls that did not know how to protect themselves. This made me cry to watch with feelings of helplessness.

Christine's written decision was to be forever silent. All doors closed. My personal view is better out than in. Keeping it in only suppresses the emotions, which in turn causes more sickness. As with out there is release and a chance for openness, for healing. This is what we all wish for.

Scotland is a long way away, i go through my life wishing no harm to anyone. My philosophy on how to live is simple, don't be a bastard. <------you can use whatever expression suits you. but you get the point. How sad it was that I could not meet up with Christine when she visited my town recently. I had always said I would take her places when she visited. So so sad.


You also said.

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Sure members perhaps should be notified of the possible dangers of accepting healing from the unqualified former members and what allegedly happened to donations.

The latter part of this comment has been answered above. This may be news to some but Members were informed at that time in the "Member's Only" forum about the donations.

Concerning the former part of your comment. Now we come to the important reason as to why we went public with this thread. The danger's and harm one can cause by self proclaimed healers and counselers, This was a warning for members and non members alike. Please take heed.

The damage was done a long time ago. As yet we are not able to turn time back, but we can start new beginnings. This cannot heal until it is brought into the light.

Time to let the healing begin. I love you all.

[greybeard]

I would like to point out the obvious that this is Avalon.
The reaction to the opening post is completely normal for Avalon.
People, including me, are pretty predictable in their way of responding and that is healthy is it not?
Glad to see that the thread has been split and the other part out of public domain--but that's just me.

Chris

[greybeard]

Thank you Billy for that---I really do see where you are coming from.
No one here wants anyone hurt and I am sorry that the meeting with Christine could not happen.

With respect for you Billy--Lang may yir lum reek.

Chris

[Valley]

We just lost members Delight and Cristian a little over an hour or so ago... Looks like they may have 'exited' because of this latest action against Grip... Did they give any other reason I wonder? I'd like to see that 'leash' be taken off his membership myself, ASAP. I feel like he's one of the most thorough and talented writers/communicators still on these forums, and I think this is causing more 'turbulence' having him 'caged up' around here. How long are members usually put under this kind of moderated status?... Or do they ever get returned to 'normal'?

[Sierra]

Posted by Valley (here)
We just lost members Delight and Cristian a little over an hour or so ago... Looks like they may have 'exited' because of this latest action against Grip... Did they give any other reason I wonder? I'd like to see that 'leash' be taken off his membership myself, ASAP. I feel like he's one of the most thorough and talented writers/communicators still on these forums, and I think this is causing more 'turbulence' having him 'caged up' around here. How long are members usually put under this kind of moderated status?... Or do they ever get returned to 'normal'?

Delight and Cristian asked to retire, as is their choice.

Moderated status changes when either the posts under moderated status no longer insult others or ... Anyway...

Things usually change.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Valley (here)
We just lost members Delight and Cristian a little over an hour or so ago... Looks like they may have 'exited' because of this latest action against Grip...

They gave little or no reason, and I wouldn't share such if they did. But if you view their recent posts, they apparently found reasons to support Christine's side in this recent affair, and chose not to continue to be active on this forum at this time, perhaps on account of that issue. Or perhaps not. One of them actually applied for retirement prior to my putting gripreaper on moderation, so that's not why that person retired from the forum.

[Fairy Friend]

I say "the proof is in the pudding". If one says they are a healer and may throw out some credentials, charges for their services, then I am going to ask what is their success rate. What is their experience? Has anyone been healed, has any lost children been found, any cancers cured, lumps disappeared? Those who are beginners in healing have to get experience somehow and how do you know unless you try. So don't get me wrong. Raw talents are out there. People with dormant abilities suddenly open up. But so are experienced, talented healers out there. But the proof is still in the pudding. Have they had successes or failures? Are they charging for their services? It applies to all.

Hopefully, I am not derailing the conversation.

[Nasu]

I posted this on the split of this thread, what I say bears repeating here...

I totally agree with the sentiment that both sides should be represented and that they have not been here. However this is not always possible, like in this instance, as has been explained. After some time and much discussion it was thought better to post publicly than to keep silent, I understand this too. I totally get why Avalon needed to distance itself from implied approval or perceived sponsorship, posting this in members only would not help any non members who may need counciling to make their minds up on who may be best placed to help them heal...

As I see it, as a fairly long time member here, is that the gold, property, relationship, et al, is none of my business, it helps paint a picture perhaps, but from only one side as others have brought up. The main issue at hand, is distancing the forum from implied support. Hense the post and this cavalcade of thoughts from our members.

For me though, the real issue, the one that realy makes my blood boil, is that she purposefully changed the PayPal and stole members donations, thinking us all witless fools... For me, this is the ONLY issue that draws me unequivocally to Bill's side, that and many years of getting to know him.. She did wrong, plane and simple, if her only punishment is public shaming for stealing members hard earned money, then she got off lightly, IMHO...x.... I love you all, warts and all...x.... N

[giovonni]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I would like to point out the obvious that this is Avalon.
The reaction to the opening post is completely normal for Avalon.
People, including me, are pretty predictable in their way of responding and that is healthy is it not?
Glad to see that the thread has been split and the other part out of public domain--but that's just me.

Chris

Yes indeed ...

And me as well Chris ...

And I would encourage any members who recently departed our ranks - To please reconsider.

[Tangri]

Posted by Jake (here)
My mother and sister consider themselves powerful esoteric healers. My sister just opened a website offering 'healing'. I feel it is worthwhile to clarify my understanding regarding 'healing'.

If i break a bone, i need it 'set' and properly treated by a physician.
If i need a heart replacement, i most certainly need a surgeon.
If i cut my skin, i need stitches.
If i contract ebola, i need to be quarantined and treated.

I would not go to an esoteric healer, sitting in front of a computer, logged into Skype! That is common sense, no?

A MILAB is a tortured person/soul. Someone who has been psychologically, physically, and spiritually TORTURED AND RUINED. Broken bones, broken souls, broken minds. They suffer from untold mind control modalities and have been experimented on by untold and unethical processes. They often have past life connections to their trauma that is exploited in unspeakable ways. They suffer memory loss, blockages from direct influence and through trauma. They have implants, both physical and mental that are preprogrammed to trigger and cause further detrimental and self-destructive behavior. They have terrifying memory fragments that cause them physical and emotional pain.

i could go on and on and on and on....

It DOES go on and on. Then there are victims of other types of systematic ritual abuse so downright evil that most folks don't believe it even happens.

These folks need their plight to be taken much more seriously!!!!!

I have a MILAB friend. I haven't seen him since his 'breach', he is completely ruined. I was with him when he was taken to Inpatient, (psych ward). I haven't seen or heard from him since then. His mom told me that they wont let her see him anymore, but the last time she was there he was sedated, being treated for biting off part of his tongue!

I sometimes imagine him being charged money from someone who claims they can heal him remotely over a feckin Skype session!!!!

My friend need ENTIRE TEAMS of doctors, both psychological and physical. My friend sits there and rocks back and forth and doesn't even realize it. When they came for him i got a sense of how detrimental his condition (s) are.

I digress. There is a lot of amazing work being done by lots of intuitive healers, and we are learning about our potentials as humans.

Ive seen too many 'healers' become infected with whatever it is they think they are healing. Like a nurse who gets a cold treating a patient... MILABS and ritual abuse victims (many times) are programmed/infected with unknown and dangerous triggers that infects the 'healer'.

That is what they are up against. That is what WE are up against!

If you think it is ethical to exhault yourself to a point where you are FURTHER EXPERIMENTING on these tortured souls then you are a fool!!!

I foresee a future where we have entire medical facilities that incorporates hard and soft healing modalities as well as the support for friends/family/community. I really do!!!

I can see the building blocks of such an endeavor. And it takes all of us.

Personal sovereignty includes empowering others as opposed to exhaulting yourself. I have turned folks away who were offering me cash for healing that was 'out of my lane'.. It would have been unethical to even consider it...

The MILAB/Ritual abuse victim is layered with different types of physical/mental/emotional/esoteric torture.

As well, they need layers of professional healing and support that cannot be achieved over a Skype session.. no offense...


I support a team effort as opposed to privately conjoling victims into your own private, self-declared healing experiments...


(they are worth much more than that)

Jake

Thank you button was not a satisfied for me, for your post. If someone asked, my professional opinion on this charlatan type of healing business, I wouldn't write to much to add your post.