Closing the Avalon accounts of two long standing members

[aranuk]

I have not visited Avalon for a few weeks and tonight I read with dismay this thread. My sympathies to Bill for such personal problems and glad to hear he is now ok. One thing I have not read so far is this: Christine stole Bill's inheritance from his dear mum and embezzled funds from the donations of Avalon members to support this magnificent site to which I owe a lot to in the way of information of the most profoundest kinds. She stole money from the Avalon members as well as Bill. This is not an acceptable thing to do. Someone said give Bill the $60k back but he didn't say give the Avalon money back to Avalon. Like Bill, I have had many events in my life where treachery by so called friends caused me grief and the only reasonable explanation I came up was karmic settlement issues. Lets leave it there.

Stan

[Mike]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Seek emotional detachment.

I have zero attachment to this thread and it's contents. I have no understanding of the reason it is considered contentious.

I went beyond these sort of emotional convolutions long ago.

Yes, but not beyond the egoistic convulsion that compels one to declare their self-perceived superiority, apparently.

[sandy]

Looks like you may have to be moderated Mike for that insult to Carmody.


Well I just posted this and looked back and Mike's insult has been removed!!

Does this mean he is on moderation for awhile?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by sandy (here)
Looks like you may have to be moderated Mike for that insult to Carmody.


Well I just posted this and looked back and Mike's insult has been removed!!

Does this mean he is on moderation for awhile?

No - a few words are unlike to put one on moderation. It had been so many years (literally) since I had used that tool that I had forgotten I could do that, until something someone said to me reminded me of it.

You have to bang on us pretty hard to get "moderated", and you have to be a fairly valuable member of long standing to avoid simply being sent on "vacation" in such a case.

[Sierra]

Posted by sandy (here)
Looks like you may have to be moderated Mike for that insult to Carmody.


Well I just posted this and looked back and Mike's insult has been removed!!

Does this mean he is on moderation for awhile?

Mike moderated himself.

[Mike]

Ive found the moderators to be reasonable and patient over the years Sandy.

There are many forms of "moderation" ..both subtle and overt. Within this scale, I have certainty been moderated from time to time over the years. I don't mind. It was always very fair and kind.

But it appears youre adopting a convenient naivete to make a faulty point, honestly.

[ulli]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
Seek emotional detachment.

I have zero attachment to this thread and it's contents. I have no understanding of the reason it is considered contentious.

I went beyond these sort of emotional convolutions long ago.

Yes, but not beyond the egoistic convulsion that compels one to declare their self-perceived superiority, apparently.

Someone has to be the standard bearer, Mike.
And when people reach that level of non-emotionalism they are usually by then also devoid of egoistic convulsions and state their position more as a matter of fact.
Or perhaps as a tease, to see what reaction they might get.
Adds to the spice of life.
But I'm glad you took the bait. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

[Mike]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
Yes, but not beyond the egoistic convulsion that compels one to declare their self-perceived superiority, apparently.

Someone has to be the standard bearer, Mike.
And when people reach that level of non-emotionalism they are usually by then also devoid of egoistic convulsions and state their position more as a matter of fact.
Or perhaps as a tease, to see what reaction they might get.
Adds to the spice of life.
But I'm glad you took the bait. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

I understand sticking up for a pal, but you can't possibly believe this....i.mean, you don't really believe this, do you?.....do you??? (hook up lie detector and make youtube video please)

What can I say , Ulli, except, in the spirit of friendship I agree to disagree

[ulli]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Someone has to be the standard bearer, Mike.
And when people reach that level of non-emotionalism they are usually by then also devoid of egoistic convulsions and state their position more as a matter of fact.
Or perhaps as a tease, to see what reaction they might get.
Adds to the spice of life.
But I'm glad you took the bait. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

I understand sticking up for a pal, but you can't possibly believe this....i.mean, you don't really believe this, do you?.....do you??? (hook up lie detector and make youtube video please)

What can I say , Ulli, except, in the spirit of friendship I agree to disagree

You may disagree. I just think it's a guy thing.
Both the challenging comment as well as the response.
But I won't start a gender thread over this.
Because that will definitely lead to more retirements and we don't want any more hurt members.
Once bitten, twice shy.

[3(C)+me]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
Seek emotional detachment.

I have zero attachment to this thread and it's contents. I have no understanding of the reason it is considered contentious.

I went beyond these sort of emotional convolutions long ago.

Yes, but not beyond the egoistic convulsion that compels one to declare their self-perceived superiority, apparently.

Here's how I handle said person on his self important comments, seems he does if for effect, I just ignore him, it works pretty much all the time.

[Mike]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
I understand sticking up for a pal, but you can't possibly believe this....i.mean, you don't really believe this, do you?.....do you??? (hook up lie detector and make youtube video please)

What can I say , Ulli, except, in the spirit of friendship I agree to disagree

You may disagree. I just think it's a guy thing.
Both the challenging comment as well as the response.
But I won't start a gender thread over this.
Because that will definitely lead to more retirements and we don't want any more hurt members.
Once bitten, twice shy.

I think it would be a good thread! Might be a nice change of pace around here. I think youd do a good job with it.

For me, its not a guy thing. I responded to Carmody the same way even back when I thought he was a she.

Anyway...

[sandy]

Hey Mike,

Pffft.......................................................



sorry

[Ultima Thule]

Just a small sidetrack here - regarding ownership and how it was earlier argued (by Valley, I think) that owning something is old thinking and we should all relate to things as shared. Well, anyway that paraphrasing was what I got out of it. I get the idea, we shouldn't kling to possession. On the other hand I feel that this argument can't and should not be used as a caveat for stealing.

Because the logic fails in several points:
A.doesnt stealing of property then encompass the stealer to wan't to own something. No higher ground there.
B. The person who has been stealed from can't (to my knowledge anyway) take back the 60$ from the local grocery shop (a third party) just yet - everything is not that shared yet.
C. I find that if you replace the word owning with responsibility over something, it is easier to understand the dynamic. If I have a responsibility over 60$ or a dog or a garden, unless that responsibility is given away by:"would you take this and take care of it?", it doesn't really work, does it? You can't take over my responsibilityship and just be the new gardener or puppy walker unless consulting with me first?

Sorry to write it in so many words, but the point is: imho no new paradigm can create any caveat to take over the ownership (or responsibilityship) of really anything unless it is first agreed upon.

UT
Ps. I am sure that Valley didn't really mean the idea as a promise to steal, it just got me thinking of how we could see ownership in a different way.

[Beren]

Don`t you feel, all of you here on this thread that you have been harvested? I mean literary by stirring the pot of negative energy here, some others are harvesting you.
Today was a special negative outburst day in general, why perpetrating it further?

How many times this forum has to go through same things?

Get back to real life, helping others and yourselves in raising the awareness and living it. Denouncing the old programs and actually living love...through respect, understanding, truthfulness, calmness but firmness in justice and rooted in Love...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Beren (here)
Don`t you feel, all of you here on this thread that you have been harvested? I mean literary by stirring the pot of negative energy here, some others are harvesting you.
Today was a special negative outburst day in general, why perpetrating it further?

At times I suspect that we, and our conscious activities such as our participation in this thread today, are but a little bit of froth on the tip of a breaking wave on the seacoast. The turbulence goes far deeper than what shows in a few pages of one forum's posts, or I can verbalize in the tiny portion of my mind that speaks English.

[transiten]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
I understand sticking up for a pal, but you can't possibly believe this....i.mean, you don't really believe this, do you?.....do you??? (hook up lie detector and make youtube video please)

What can I say , Ulli, except, in the spirit of friendship I agree to disagree

You may disagree. I just think it's a guy thing.
Both the challenging comment as well as the response.
But I won't start a gender thread over this.
Because that will definitely lead to more retirements and we don't want any more hurt members.
Once bitten, twice shy.

I think it would be a good thread! Might be a nice change of pace around here. I think youd do a good job with it.

For me, its not a guy thing. I responded to Carmody the same way even back when I thought he was a she.

Anyway...

Interesting! I also thought for a long time Carmody was a she! Can't figure out why..maybe the light purple and rings in his avatar? On another forum yet where i didn't have my picture a man thought I was a he because of my way of communicating! Long ago an astrologer commented "Not much femininity in that chart".

Yesterday the former MD of SAS said we're heading into a matriarchy......

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Could taking sides and assigning blame with the issues discussed here be a successfully engineered plan by the dark side to create separation and destroy unity?

United we stand, divided we fall.



Let the positive issues where we agree be so loud that what remains is barely audible. When we can respect yet laugh at our differences, we are almost home.

I eagerly look forward to the time when humans become so smart, so clever, so intuitive, so wise that manipulation and lies are no longer effective.

Our time is coming.

[Valley]

I'm not going to stop talking here... I don't think we should be afraid of talking things out like this... that's how we learn to get along and figure things out here. So, everyone please continue sharing your thoughts and feelings, as usual.

I also observed that there was a whole mixture of feelings and important information shared throughout this particular 'threading' of consciousness. It wasn't just a bunch of negativity for "harvesting", that's for sure.

Posted by Beren (here)
Don`t you feel, all of you here on this thread that you have been harvested? I mean literary by stirring the pot of negative energy here, some others are harvesting you.
Today was a special negative outburst day in general, why perpetrating it further?

How many times this forum has to go through same things?

Get back to real life, helping others and yourselves in raising the awareness and living it. Denouncing the old programs and actually living love...through respect, understanding, truthfulness, calmness but firmness in justice and rooted in Love...

[raregem]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
Seek emotional detachment.

I have zero attachment to this thread and it's contents. I have no understanding of the reason it is considered contentious.

I went beyond these sort of emotional convolutions long ago.

Yes, but not beyond the egoistic convulsion that compels one to declare their self-perceived superiority, apparently.

WOW. How is Carmody being self-perceived superior ? A statement was made to go beyond and leave the mundane. I must admit that "egoistic convulsion" was a funny. I am seeing more back biting on PA lately. I consider your statement one of those but for Carmody I see it as a statement of been there, done that and grew from it all. No more , no less.

[greybeard]

Thanks Valley
Was listening to a song by Crowded House.
The line of interest is "Everything is good for you if it doesn’t kill you"
That might be stretching the imagination to apply it to this thread but.
But " Nothing is good or bad till thinking makes it so"
So lots of positive things can come from this thread of that I have no doubt.

Think it has just about run its course.

Chris