[Hoaxed 'confession'] Stanley Kubrick Confesses to faking Moon Landings

[KiwiElf]

Hi Ewan,

Bit of a sidenote and Further to Bill's info above, there has now been a significant amount of information (and videos) about the "alleged" Nazi technology regarding,... shall we say,... "advanced aircraft" (flying saucers to be exact ), which used both advanced conventional technology and later, pure anti-gravitational technology.

(allegedly), the Germans reached the Moon - and later Mars - before the end of World War 2. (The Germans were privy to their own "Roswell incident" in Freiburg, 1936, preceding Roswell by a good decade). Their own anti-gravity research began in the 1920's.

There are so many sources I wouldn't know where to begin, but the evidence is pretty overwhelming. (Probably deserves a thread of it's own). There have also been a number of posts here on Avalon over the years on the subject.

I recommend reading THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL which is available here on Avalon as a PDF. It details how the alien technology was reverse engineered from the recovered craft at Roswell.

That will give you some idea of how long this highly advanced (and secretive technology) has been around (and most likely was used on the LEM).

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

(allegedly), the Germans reached the Moon - and later Mars - before the end of World War 2.

I think the key word there is 'allegedly'. Quite a bit of that comes from Corey Goode, and is to be discounted. (He also stated the Nazis dropped nuclear bombs on the Martians.)

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

(allegedly), the Germans reached the Moon - and later Mars - before the end of World War 2.

I think the key word there is 'allegedly'. Quite a bit of that comes from Corey Goode, and is to be discounted. (He also stated the Nazis dropped nuclear bombs on the Martians.)

Sorry Bill, with all respect, NONE of the info I have comes from Corey (and pre-dates anything Corey said by about 20 years!)

ie Illuminati Chronology (dates from 1511-1994), Man Made Flying Saucers, UFO Secrets of the 3rd Reich, Renato, Terzisky & way too many other sources to note here. We could say it's all "unbelievable" - but as you say yourself, a lot of evidence, and no [physical] proof.

(Of course, Corey could well have used - and perhaps imbellished - the same or similar material - it's not hard to find). It was also the satirical theme for the movie IRON SKIES -

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

(allegedly), the Germans reached the Moon - and later Mars - before the end of World War 2.

I think the key word there is 'allegedly'. Quite a bit of that comes from Corey Goode, and is to be discounted. (He also stated the Nazis dropped nuclear bombs on the Martians.)

Sorry Bill, with all respect, NONE of the info I have comes from Corey (and pre-dates anything Corey said by about 20 years!)

Okay, thanks! Can you give us a reference for this? —>

the Germans reached the Moon - and later Mars - before the end of World War 2.

[KiwiElf]

Whoops sorry - you posted as I was editing haha as above

Edit from Bill: Thank you!

[KiwiElf]

Hmmmmmm interesting you mentioned Corey's claim re Nazi's Nuking Mars - perhaps he got it from this? (from my recently old archives) - I don't doubt the good Dr's theory, but Nazi's?? Who knows?

Nuclear Attack From Aliens Eradicated Life On Mars, Physicist Claims
The Cosmos News

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Ya-7_rEqYM

Published on Nov 24, 2014

Dr.John Brandenburg believes nuclear events wiped out all life on Mars.
A plasma physicist is advancing a theory in which he claims to have evidence of two ancient nuclear explosions on Mars, events that he believes wiped out an ancient civilization on the red planet.

Dr. John Brandenburg is set to present his theory at the 2014 Annual Fall Meeting of the American Physical Society in Illinois, which will be held this Saturday. His lecture, Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past, The Cydonian Hypothesis, and Fermi’s Paradox, will examine the theory, which he also advances in a paper set to be published in the Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle physics.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Hmmmmmm interesting you mentioned Corey's claim re Nazi's Nuking Mars - perhaps he got it from this? (from my recently old archives) - I don't doubt the good Dr's theory, but Nazi's?? Who knows?

Nuclear Attack From Aliens Eradicated Life On Mars, Physicist Claims
The Cosmos News

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Ya-7_rEqYM

Published on Nov 24, 2014

Dr.John Brandenburg believes nuclear events wiped out all life on Mars.
A plasma physicist is advancing a theory in which he claims to have evidence of two ancient nuclear explosions on Mars, events that he believes wiped out an ancient civilization on the red planet.

Dr. John Brandenburg is set to present his theory at the 2014 Annual Fall Meeting of the American Physical Society in Illinois, which will be held this Saturday. His lecture, Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past, The Cydonian Hypothesis, and Fermi’s Paradox, will examine the theory, which he also advances in a paper set to be published in the Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle physics.

Yes, and many thanks for posting that. John Brandenburg's work is really interesting. It seems that an ancient Martian nuclear war (or event/accident) has to be possible. (I'm wondering, btw, if this deserves its own thread?)

But surely you'd agree: if the Nazis actually had nuclear weapons, they would have used them in 1945... on Planet Earth.

[KiwiElf]

LOL exactly!

[Harley]

Clues! Don't ya just love clues!

Regarding KiwiElf and Bill's discussion (which began HERE) pertaining to the Germans "allegedly reaching the Moon - and later Mars - before the end of World War 2", here's an excerpt from an old report which was filed by a US Army OSS agent.

Read it and weep (Highlights are mine):

SUBJECT: Darmstadt Internment Camp Lectures - 20 June 1950

RE: V-2 and Flying Saucers

3. PRESENT INVESTIGATION.

In approximately January 1948, three (3) or four (4) lectures had been given at the Darmstadt Internment Camp, on the subjects of "Flying Saucers" and German "V2" rockets, which had allegedly been under construction by Germany, during the war on the islands of Usedom and Wollin. The person giving these lectures had allegedly worked on both of the fore-mentioned projects and had discussed and explained fully the various formulas and technical points of both these projects.

4. These lectures were attended by approximately fifty (50) persons who were allegedly screened out of the one-thousand (1,000) inmates of the camp. Due to the fact that at the time, lectures of any nature had to be posted on bulletin boards, the "cover" topic chosen for these lectures had been "Journey to Mars and the Moon".

5. The name of the person who had given these lectures is unknown, but his available data is the following: Approximately 40 years of age, 6' 2" tall, oval face, dark hair. This person also had a Doctors title and had been an SS Hauptsturmführer or an SS Sturmbannführer. This man had allegedly been released from the Darmstadt Internment Camp in May 1948.

7. UNDEVELOPED LEADS AND FUTURE ACTION:

b. If this person is found to interrogate him in order to obtain information from him regarding the Subjects of his lectures.

So did they ever find this guy? Well I know that it was only shortly after 1950 that the Air Force, the Army, the Navy, and others began investing very heavily in programs for Manned Orbiting Satellites, Moon and Mars Bases, and space travel in general - all of which were "officially" canceled by the mid-60's (or so).

Did we go to the moon with the Apollo Program? Of course we did! But it wasn't exactly in the way that it was presented to the world. Let me just say that the Air Force had an astronaut corp that dates back to 1954, which preceded NASA's introduction of it's first astronauts - The Mercury Seven - by five years (1959).

Now if one were to pay attention to all the dates that I've presented here, and not forget that NASA was created in 1958 as a "Civilian Space Program" (at just the right time), then a picture may begin to form.

The clues are out there. And when you begin to put them in their proper perspective they sometimes become overwhelming.

Oh, and as a side-note and heads-up: NASA is preparing to leave the ISS Program.

I can't wait, because it's up to them to keep us all informed of all of the fantastic advances being made with Human Spaceflight Technologies!

[KiwiElf]

Interesting dates!. Further to Harley's post above, it is "allegedly" claimed that a joint US/Russian saucer mission in 1956 (shades of Alternative 3) - were "guests" at the Nazi Lunar Base (established since the 1940's), and spent their first night there.

Trying to verify the info is at best difficult. Most witnesses to the possible fact are long dead and from what I've gleaned so far, the Nazi program was ruthlessly compartmentalised (although free thinking in terms of new machinery, weapons & inventions was openly encouraged).

In other words, the rocketry & missile side of it was completely separate from the saucer programs. It's quite possible that Werner Von Braun may have had little knowledge of projects outside of his particular field.

According to "legend", the saucers at the time (near the end of WWII), could not be successfully weaponised despite their "alleged" impressive capabilities, whereas the rocketry and missile programs were well developed & more advanced than anyone else had. (V1 & V2 etc)

There are many reports of those involved in these programs at the "worker" level being blackmailed or forced into working for the Nazi's then gassed or executed after they had produced what was required of them in order to keep their work a secret. Likewise, workshops, laboratories and bases were destroyed. This "philosophy" seems scarily similar to what has been reported in more recent times with "alleged" US secret programs.

In a nutshell, it appears that the 3rd Reich was not defeated at all; it simply packed its bags and was effectively "invited" into America through what became the CIA under the auspices of Operation Paperclip, which is well known, and the successive programs (hardly ever mentioned), Odessa, Sunrise & Overcast (Linda Moulton-Howe is the only person in the field that I've heard recently mention Operation Sunrise), so that these highly advanced programs could and do continue.

On a similar topic to this thread, it has been claimed for some time that Yuri Gargarin's space flights were also faked by the Russians (briefly discussed in the video documentary, "WHAT HAPPENED ON THE MOON").

A massive psyop by the leading world powers to keep us in the dark about what is really going on?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

On a similar topic to this thread, it has been claimed for some time that Yuri Gagarin's space flights were also faked by the Russians (briefly discussed in the video documentary, "WHAT HAPPENED ON THE MOON").

Yes, I saw an excellent documentary about that, presenting a compelling case. If I remember right (and I'd like to see it again), it was not actually him who made the first successful flight (which really did happen). It was a different cosmonaut, much more highly trained, but unknown to the west. Gagarin was just the groomed, good-looking poster boy rolled out for PR purposes.

Prior to that, there had been persistent rumors, although very hard to document, that there'd been quite a number of UNsuccessful flights. That's likely why they switched Gagarin: they wanted to be totally sure it would work this time, and if it'd been yet another failure, that would have been covered up as well.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Harley (here)

SUBJECT: Darmstadt Internment Camp Lectures - 20 June 1950

Harley, very many thanks indeed — where did you get this from?

I've not searched in great depth, but so far I can't find anything about this anywhere, and nor can I find the document images.

[KiwiElf]

Yep... and all of this - if it's true... ultimately brings us to Project Blue Beam - the Ultimate Nazi Plan for World Domination. On that assumption I firmly believe the Cabal has the capability of pulling off the perfect Alien Invasion in the near future - complete with highly advanced weaponry, spacecraft & "real aliens" (made on Earth). The destructive capability will have the world's population so terrified it won't matter if "we" know it's effectively a false flag - the rest of the population doesn't know and would be pretty powerless to do anything about it anyway.

I also believe this "build up to WW 3" is a test of sorts to try out some of these advanced weapons on a smaller scale, ie Russia allegedly using EMP-based weapons to take out some of the USA's latest (and apparently useless) war machines!

EDIT interesting "coincidence"... something just briefly knocked out my internet while I was posting this... :/

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

I firmly believe the Cabal has the capability of pulling off the perfect Alien Invasion in the near future - complete with highly advanced weaponry, spacecraft & "real aliens" (made on Earth).

Yes. Camelot witness Henry Deacon told us that holograms would not be needed... they could "fill the skies with their own craft" (my close paraphrase).

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

I firmly believe the Cabal has the capability of pulling off the perfect Alien Invasion in the near future - complete with highly advanced weaponry, spacecraft & "real aliens" (made on Earth).

Yes. Camelot witness Henry Deacon told us that holograms would not be needed... they could "fill the skies with their own craft" (my close paraphrase).

Just a passing thought...how many of us will recognise the lighted beings from the dark...or the real ET craft from theirs...?

When the time comes we all need to know the difference ... Bill.. Anyone ?

Viking

[KiwiElf]

I think WE will recognise it as such, my fears would be for the rest of the dumbed down population who will fall for it hook line and sinker. I think we're seeing the real start of this now, (although it's been going on for decades). Just remember, Hitler didn't take over Germany ... they gave it to him. The dissenters and disbelievers will become the new "Jews" to be hunted down and destroyed.

[Harley]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Harley (here)

SUBJECT: Darmstadt Internment Camp Lectures - 20 June 1950

Harley, very many thanks indeed — where did you get this from?

I've not searched in great depth, but so far I can't find anything about this anywhere, and nor can I find the document images.

Hi Bill,

My excerpts are from a 339 page pdf which contains a collection of declassified Army CIC and OSS documents which was released in 1994. It mainly consists of various documents pertaining to the Army’s investigation into the origins of “flying saucer” research in Germany and the research of the “Horten Brothers” – Walter and Reimar Horton who developed advanced “flying wings” for Germany during the 1940s.

I've had this pdf for years but had forgotten about it, so it was a bit of a chore for me to locate the link again.

At 339 pages long, this is exactly the type of file where gems are to be found - provided one wants to spend the time studying them. At the least it is quite interesting reading.

Here is the link:

https://www.foia.army.mil/ReadingRoom/Detail.aspx?id=64

[Wide-Eyed]

Posted by Harley (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Harley (here)

SUBJECT: Darmstadt Internment Camp Lectures - 20 June 1950

Harley, very many thanks indeed — where did you get this from?

I've not searched in great depth, but so far I can't find anything about this anywhere, and nor can I find the document images.

Hi Bill,

My excerpts are from a 339 page pdf which contains a collection of declassified Army CIC and OSS documents which was released in 1994. It mainly consists of various documents pertaining to the Army’s investigation into the origins of “flying saucer” research in Germany and the research of the “Horten Brothers” – Walter and Reimar Horton who developed advanced “flying wings” for Germany during the 1940s.

I've had this pdf for years but had forgotten about it, so it was a bit of a chore for me to locate the link again.

At 339 pages long, this is exactly the type of file where gems are to be found - provided one wants to spend the time studying them. At the least it is quite interesting reading.

Here is the link:

https://www.foia.army.mil/ReadingRoom/Detail.aspx?id=64

Harley thanks for valuable research and link. It can not be opened though, is there any other way to get a link that can be opened? It says your connection not private and people could hack your request?

[Wide-Eyed]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Hi Ewan,

Bit of a sidenote and Further to Bill's info above, there has now been a significant amount of information (and videos) about the "alleged" Nazi technology regarding,... shall we say,... "advanced aircraft" (flying saucers to be exact ), which used both advanced conventional technology and later, pure anti-gravitational technology.

(allegedly), the Germans reached the Moon - and later Mars - before the end of World War 2. (The Germans were privy to their own "Roswell incident" in Freiburg, 1936, preceding Roswell by a good decade). Their own anti-gravity research began in the 1920's.

There are so many sources I wouldn't know where to begin, but the evidence is pretty overwhelming. (Probably deserves a thread of it's own). There have also been a number of posts here on Avalon over the years on the subject.

I recommend reading THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL which is available here on Avalon as a PDF. It details how the alien technology was reverse engineered from the recovered craft at Roswell.

That will give you some idea of how long this highly advanced (and secretive technology) has been around (and most likely was used on the LEM).

Dr. Joesph P Farrell was one researcher in "Roswell and the Reich", that said of Roswell recovery that an army official and I'm not sure which asked, "where are the Horten Brothers?" - I think this needs to be thread of its own. Many excellent postings and information which should be zeroed in on to develop sound hypothesis. Harley's post alone is remarkable IMHO.

[Satori]

Consider the prospect that the US both went to the moon and that there is a hoax. And, that both of these "events" are sponsored by the same source(s) that have the power and connections to make both events happen, or not.