The Billy Meier case: what's the truth?

[Cidersomerset]

Well there is definitely something about this case that at the basic level is intriguing
for me ,and the alternative is that Billy was wondering the world talking to
imaginary friends on his varied and sometimes dangerous adventures......

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UFO_Reopening_of_the_Billy_Meier_Case_3of3_Phobol_Cheng_1999.avi

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pf8LaD3pFHg

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India 1964:

The Foundational Evidence

that Establishes the Authenticity

of the

Billy Meier UFO Contacts

India 1964

In 1964, Billy Meier was interviewed by a S. Venkatesh, a reporter for
the New Delhi Statesman, a prominent Indian newspaper in existence
since 1818. At this time, Meier was studying in the Ashoka Ashram, in
Mehrauli, a remote area approximately one and one-half hours outside
of New Delhi. Meier, whose full name is Eduard Albert Meier, is referred
to as "Mr. Edward Albert" in the article. He acquired the nickname, "Billy",
by which he is now widely known from an American woman he also met in
1964, in Pakistan. She thought that he reminded her of the legendary
Wild Bill Hickok.

The photo below shows Meier in Pakistan in 1964, one of 43 countries he
hitchhiked through over a 12-year period, dressed in garb similar to
American cowboys.



The 1964 Newspaper Article





The above information establishes that:

Meier was in India in 1964 and was interviewed in a well respected, credible publication.

The author of the article had personally seen 80 of Meier's UFO photographs.

At the time, Meier was a poor hitchhiker who had no money or other known resources.

As is also stated in the article, Meier didn't seek any publicity during this time
and it wasn't until 11 years later, in 1975, that he first went public, at the
request of the new group of extraterrestrials who had contacted him. He verifiably
had neither the means nor opportunity to have hoaxed this foundational evidence.
Nor can it be said that he had any discernable motive, as he eschewed public
attention for well over a decade after having shown the 80 UFO photographs
to the reporter.

And perhaps of the utmost importance is the fact that when Meier did go public
it was primarily with the evidence from 1975 on. He didn't draw any attention
- well deserved as it would have been - to this foundational evidence that
effectively closes the door on all theories of hoaxing, seeking fame and fortune,
etc. Considering how ironclad it is, one must wonder why Meier didn't capitalize
on it from the very beginning...if his motives were such as the skeptics have
long accused him.

Retired UN Ambassador

http://www.tjresearch.info/Phobal_plain_text.htm

Phobol Cheng, a now retired UN ambassador who represented Cambodia for 12
years in the General Assembly, not only corroborated Meier's story, and the
information in the article, she showed some of Meier's UFO photos from that
time (see below) and described details about them in her filmed presentation.
She reported that, in addition to herself, numerous witnesses had not only seen
the UFOs but had also seen an extraterrestrial woman known as Asket.

Phobol Cheng and Meier were both evaluated for truthfulness by an expert
consultant to the U.S. Army Special Forces who specializes in teaching how to
read - and evaluate - body language. He gave them both a thumbs up for honesty.

Unlike the majority of historical source material, the Meier evidence doesn't rely
on strictly anecdotal information. It incorporates all of the most desired elements
for establishing historical accuracy, i.e. dated, published, eyewitness accounts that
are substantiated by clear, specific physical evidence referred to in the accounts, as
well as verifiably credible, still living witnesses who were filmed corroborating the
story and the evidence first presented in it decades ago.

It really doesn't get much better than that.

The India UFO Photographs



Phobol Cheng and her grand father...

http://caveviews.blogs.com/cave_news...kodak-fol.html

Meier took a number of photos of Asket's, and her people's, UFOs over the Ashoka
Ashram, using an old Kodak bellows type (folding) camera, which he later sold in
Kurdistan:










(Enlarged below)




Eight UFOs over the Ashoka Ashram



The photo below shows eight UFOs over the Ashoka Ashram with Phobol Cheng's
ayah (nursemaid) in the foreground looking at the ships. During her presentation,
Phobol described this photo, "OK, this is a very interesting, and also important to
me. This is a whole bunch of them around on top of the Ashoka. This is the
background of the place. You cannot see very clearly of the reproduction here.
But this is one of my ayahs washing my clothes sitting in the veranda outside of
my room. She's washing here (pointing with laser pointer) my school uniform. On
the original photos it's much more clear. So we shared these stories because we
had interacted with her quite a bit -- the washing lady. For me it's very important,
because when I had my experience it was not something.. -- for me it was very
natural and have seen [to have seen?] a lot of ships over the temple or over the
-- we have a large area -- over the trees, near the well, over the house.":




UFO in Night Sky over Ashoka Ashram:



The Most Amazing Photo


In his 1964 New Delhi Statesman article, Mr. Venkatesh referred to this startling
photo below as showing "a big, bright cross". Meier had asked Asket to demonstrate
something dramatic that her ship was capable of, which she clearly did using a
technology unknown to Meier. (There is conjecture that the cross was a kind of
holographic projection, perhaps similar to that which was used by another
extraterrestrial race that created the Miracle at Fátima illusion.) Notice that
directly behind Meier, who is sitting in the foreground in this daytime photo, is
the same tower as the one in the lower corner of the nighttime photo above (130).



The cross was widely seen by other people in the area, including two women who
worked with Meier at the ashram helping to take care of animals, Mrs. Fiske and
Mrs. Crystal Rogers, both of whom were actually present with Meier at the time
this photo was taken. Mrs. Fiske was an English governess who came to India to
teach the children of a maharaja. She then came to the ashram to teach Phobol,
but this was not for very long, because she tried to force Phobol to become an
English "Lady".



Consider that Meier was in India to study Buddhism. Among the things that he came
to learn was meditation and to study the teachings that included information on
reincarnation. Just a year earlier, in 1963, he and Isa Rashid had co-discovered an
ancient document in a long forgotten tomb in Jerusalem. So Asket may have used
this opportunity to also include a hint pertaining to one of Meier's own previous
incarnations, when he was also an important prophet for humankind who came to
teach in India, after having survived being...crucified.:





In Appreciation of Mr. Venkatesh

In Gary Kinder's book, "Light Years", (Part 4, page 47) we find the following information:

"Many years after the article appeared in the New Delhi Statesman, the reporter,
S.Venkatesh responded to a letter inquiring about the mysterious Mr. Albert. He
wrote: 'I distinctly remember meeting the man and he seemed, on recollection,
very serious about what he was saying. I for one would be eager to know what
he did later on, whether he encountered any more space men and ships and
whether he disclosed anything to anyone later, as he promised he would.'"

In 1965, a year after his experiences in India, Meier lost his arm in an accident in
Turkey. Some 10 years later, in 1975, he began to release to the world volumes
of the clearest, most unambiguous photos, film, video, sound recordings and even
metal samples of the UFOs, all of which were shown to be free of manipulation,
models, special effects, etc. It must be emphasized that the sheer variety,
quantity - and quality - of Meier's more recent physical evidence exceeded
anything he presented when he had two hands to work with.

I think Mr. Venkatesh would have been very interested to know just how much
"Mr. Edward Albert", aka Billy Meier, has indeed experienced and disclosed to
the world, since their meeting in India, in 1964. And, while he is no longer
amongst us to receive it, we offer our appreciation to him for providing such
rare, historical evidence that at once establishes the truthfulness of Meier's
claims and confronts us with the most important story in human history.

[url]http://theyfly.com/India_1964.html[/url

[ghostrider]

Posted by Precog (here)
What I would really like to know is if Billy was getting all of this information about future events coming, why no info on 9/11? When he spoke out about 9/11 on one of his DVDs he claimed we were attacked by 19 high-jackers witch is not what happened.

there was info on the 9-11 attacks . one supervisor and two agents brought intel to president Bush , he chose to ignore it ... quetzal gave information around 1987 about the WTC attack ... Billy was told to be discreet about certain events until after they happened ... He was given the date and time of several world leaders for over 60 years , you can read the date and time stamped notes of the predictions given to him by the plejaren , even the name of the ET giving the prediction ...

[ghostrider]

I find it interesting the UFO community in general , wants nothing to do with a one armed Swiss farmer , who talks face to face with off world humans for over 70 years now and the contacts are still ongoing to this day ... 26,000 pages of notes , 1200 clear daytime photo's made before photo shop and the internet , metal samples , sounds recordings , future predictions , 100 witnesses to the beamships , a retired LT. Col from the air force's testimony , alien hand prints on the hood of his cars , that are still burnt into the metal , ancient scrolls left for him by Immanuel called the Talmud of Immanuel , landing tracks that are still there from the 70's , Swiss fighter jets in some of the photos of the beamships , four beamships in some photos at the same time in broad daylight , people from the ashram seeing him walking with asket(ET) in the garden , and oh , he gave predictions in the 80's that America would be in two wars in Iraq and the second war would be led by the son of a former president ... not one other case has this much hard evidence ... and he is ignored ... I am resolved to the opinion that some don't want to believe that our world is under an illusion by religion , government , the military , and some well meaning people who care more about money and fame than truth and the future of generations to come after us who will live through what we have allowed to be created on Earth ... His contacts state their forefathers were the gods of our past , they built huge stone cities on every continent , a member of their race along with 200 scientist and 70,000 people stole a beamship and fled into space and came here ... they feel responsible for Earth for what their forefathers did , genetically altering man , and enslaving the world with religion , allowing a man (human being) to be worshipped above Creation , presenting himself as the Creator of Creation and his guard angels co-creators ... this lie still lingers today , Jehav and his son Jehovah are some names you might know ...

[giovonni]

Personally i have no major issues with Billy Meier's story ... It's Michael Horn (his publicist/rep) i can't stand.
i sense the eccentric Meier's has allowed him way too much control of himself and his material ...
And note Billy doesn't have an exclusivity on contact ...

[Cidersomerset]

Personally i have no major issues with Billy Meier's story ... It's Michael Horn (his publicist/rep) i can't stand.
i sense the eccentric Meier's has allowed him way too much control of himself and his material ...
And note Billy doesn't have an exclusivity on contact ...

I know what you mean , I have not listened to
Michael Horne for a few years , and I do not listen
to the contact material although I have heard some
of the tapes.

As I said on several threads . I'm more interested
in the fact it happened and was one of several contacts
after WW11 and as Stanton Friedman says from the
ET's point of view ' The kids have found the matches'
a ref to the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan
and the nuclear arms race during the cold war.

This brought various humanoid ET's into contact with
various contactees . Then there are the negative ,
neutral and inter dimensional ET's that have probably
always been visiting and may of had a hand in our
development and spiritual guidance ??

[ghostrider]

Posted by giovonni (here)
Personally i have no major issues with Billy Meier's story ... It's Michael Horn (his publicist/rep) i can't stand.
i sense the eccentric Meier's has allowed him way too much control of himself and his material ...
And note Billy doesn't have an exclusivity on contact ...

I would urge you to focus on the message , and overlook the messenger , Michael rubs my wrong at times as well ... The plejaren's message to us is = if the world is going to change it's up to us , to learn to control our thoughts , feelings , and actions ... this is a process they undertake with various worlds who have reached a level of rational thinking , to prepare them for the thought they are not alone in the Universe ...

[OMG]

Michael Horn debates with Santon Friedman about the Billy Meier case being basically the ONLY legitimate UFO case on record that has actual and irrefutable PROOF beyond just testimony. And the vast amounts of PROOF is so overwhelming that alien disclosure has already happened if people would honestly just observe the case.

In addition and even more relevant to Horn tha proof of aliens is the message that we MUST act to prevent cataclysm through self empowerment and social responsibility against the forces that seek to destroy us. And among ALL of the UFO cases available Billy's is by far the most reliable, accurate, truthful and best to use as a catalyst for convincing the masses of such realities.

Part 1: http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/9/c/0/9c0b...eb19664c48c26b

Part 2: http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/3/3/f/33ff...103f93dd7f1a4a


Michael Horns website http://theyfly.com

[Bill Ryan]

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I read Gary Kinder's most excellent book Light Years back in 1988, and it captivated me. I then became extremely interested in Billy Meier's story.

There are a number of early videos he took (all on his own, with his one arm) that look really pretty real — published LONG before any kind of CGI was readily available.

I also talked at length with George Green (see this Camelot interview), who had had personal, highly strange experiences with Billy back in the 1980s — and I had the privilege to meet and talk with Wendelle Stevens, before he died.

I do believe that Billy did had some very genuine contact experiences, back in the early days. Kerry Cassidy and I visited his farm in Switzerland (it was impossible to talk with Billy himself, though, who trusts no-one any more). There's a little barn there turned into a kind of visitor center, with displays of large, high-resolution, early photos that look stunning and impressive... far more so than a small image you might see on a web page.

But there is very compelling (almost overwhelming) evidence that after those early days, he began to fake and fabricate things. Not smart, of course... because it means then all his legitimate material could also be thrown out with the bathwater. (And it has been, by many people.)

And Michael Horn (Billy's professional, full-time paid PR spokesman) does not help. He is (let's put it this way) highly committed to Billy, but he's an unpleasant, ferocious attack dog in defense of Billy's stories, and is almost impossible to dialog with. Almost everyone I know in the UFO community has kind of washed their hands of the whole thing, because it's become so muddy and tainted, and really hard to deal with from an honest researcher's point of view.

Only Billy knows the truth of what really happened. I would love to have interviewed him... and I really tried. In summary: the early evidence way well be largely for real (and is extraordinary). The later evidence is largely not, at the same time as the claims became more and more outlandish and extreme. And if one visits the They Fly website, you can get lost in all the detail for literally hours and days.

[Karpos]

Bill Ryan made a great post above that i think echoes how many of us feel/felt about Meier, but ...

It's possible that billy meier was a lying scam artist fraud from the start. Just sayin'.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HxHt-R687pE

[Cidersomerset]

I'm also not a Michael Horne fan and as Bill said he is a long term devoted
investigator and spokeman for Billy . I find him a ' hard listen' . I do like
the early investigations , though the seventies/documentary is of its
time with private investigation team straight out of an American cop show.

There are several threads about this here and I find the early 1960's photos from
India compelling and his general story makes him a real life Indiana Jones.This is
where people who have looked into this split in two and as with the Sean Morton
interview I heard yesterday which sounded straight out of a Science fiction novel ,
which ironically he was using the material as part of a series of books. Science
fiction and ufology are so inter twined the average person would not be able to tell
the difference in a lot of cases imo. The info Sean and Kerry were discussing were
from many cases I knew or recognised , but for anyone new listening in , it must
have sounded odd...LOL

Which is why screen writers are looking thru alternate information all the time and I
see aspects of many cases quoted or copied in the many scy -fy series , movies and books.

Back to Billy I remember back in the late 1970's an atrticle on the TV news about a
Swiss farmer filming UFO's. which is where I first became aware of the case , but it
was not until much later when I had access to the internet that I could look it up
and the Wendell Stevens interviews and various debates with the film analyst Jim
Dilettoso's and the original investigation team that makes me believe its a
legitimate case. The intelligence services certainly did, as Wendelle explained when
he was detained by them in London and asked questions on his way back from
Switzerland.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IgblP8d-DEQ

Wendelle Stevens talks on how they - as ufo-investigators on the case, were
watched and followed by the CIA and the international intelligencia, while
scrutinizing this ufo-contact in Switzerland in the 70ths. This while the same hidden
power people ridiculing this, and similar cases to the deceived society.


Like all these cases unfortunately we are in the hands of others and we can only
keep piecing all the pieces together as we are doing, and the full landscape will
come into view I hope.

[ghostrider]

Edwards case has 1,200 clear daytime photos before photoshop , 8mm films , sound recording s, metal samples, landing tracks , over 100 witnesses to the ships , one of them is an ambassador to the U.N. 26,000 pages of contact notes , hand prints burnt into the car in his driveway, food grown in the drifting gardens of the great spacer, he has taken pictures of the beamships from the inside of a beamship , they have landed in his driveway, hovered over his house, hovered in his trees , many clear sharp up clise daytime photos ... they have given him ancient earth history predictions for the future, and it continues to this day for over 73 years face to face speaking with the watchers ... no other case has this much evidence ... their ancestors called themselves the sons of heaven ... they feel responsible for what their ancestors did coming here posing as gods/angels ...

[Cidersomerset]

UFO_Reopening_of_the_Billy_Meier_Case_3of3_Phobol_Cheng_1999.avi

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pf8LaD3pFHg

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India 1964:

The Foundational Evidence that Establishes the Authenticity of theBilly Meier UFO Contacts

India 1964

In 1964, Billy Meier was interviewed by a S. Venkatesh, a reporter for
the New Delhi Statesman, a prominent Indian newspaper in existence
since 1818. At this time, Meier was studying in the Ashoka Ashram, in
Mehrauli, a remote area approximately one and one-half hours outside
of New Delhi. Meier, whose full name is Eduard Albert Meier, is referred
to as "Mr. Edward Albert" in the article. He acquired the nickname, "Billy",
by which he is now widely known from an American woman he also met in
1964, in Pakistan. She thought that he reminded her of the legendary
Wild Bill Hickok.

The photo below shows Meier in Pakistan in 1964, one of 43 countries he
hitchhiked through over a 12-year period, dressed in garb similar to
American cowboys.



The 1964 Newspaper Article





The above information establishes that:

Meier was in India in 1964 and was interviewed in a well respected, credible publication.

The author of the article had personally seen 80 of Meier's UFO photographs.

At the time, Meier was a poor hitchhiker who had no money or other known resources.

As is also stated in the article, Meier didn't seek any publicity during this time
and it wasn't until 11 years later, in 1975, that he first went public, at the
request of the new group of extraterrestrials who had contacted him. He verifiably
had neither the means nor opportunity to have hoaxed this foundational evidence.
Nor can it be said that he had any discernable motive, as he eschewed public
attention for well over a decade after having shown the 80 UFO photographs
to the reporter.

And perhaps of the utmost importance is the fact that when Meier did go public
it was primarily with the evidence from 1975 on. He didn't draw any attention
- well deserved as it would have been - to this foundational evidence that
effectively closes the door on all theories of hoaxing, seeking fame and fortune,
etc. Considering how ironclad it is, one must wonder why Meier didn't capitalize
on it from the very beginning...if his motives were such as the skeptics have
long accused him.

Retired UN Ambassador

http://www.tjresearch.info/Phobal_plain_text.htm

Phobol Cheng, a now retired UN ambassador who represented Cambodia for 12
years in the General Assembly, not only corroborated Meier's story, and the
information in the article, she showed some of Meier's UFO photos from that
time (see below) and described details about them in her filmed presentation.
She reported that, in addition to herself, numerous witnesses had not only seen
the UFOs but had also seen an extraterrestrial woman known as Asket.

Phobol Cheng and Meier were both evaluated for truthfulness by an expert
consultant to the U.S. Army Special Forces who specializes in teaching how to
read - and evaluate - body language. He gave them both a thumbs up for honesty.

Unlike the majority of historical source material, the Meier evidence doesn't rely
on strictly anecdotal information. It incorporates all of the most desired elements
for establishing historical accuracy, i.e. dated, published, eyewitness accounts that
are substantiated by clear, specific physical evidence referred to in the accounts, as
well as verifiably credible, still living witnesses who were filmed corroborating the
story and the evidence first presented in it decades ago.

It really doesn't get much better than that.

The India UFO Photographs




Phobol Cheng and her grand father...

http://caveviews.blogs.com/cave_news...kodak-fol.html

Meier took a number of photos of Asket's, and her people's, UFOs over the Ashoka
Ashram, using an old Kodak bellows type (folding) camera, which he later sold in
Kurdistan:










(Enlarged below)




Eight UFOs over the Ashoka Ashram



The photo below shows eight UFOs over the Ashoka Ashram with Phobol Cheng's
ayah (nursemaid) in the foreground looking at the ships. During her presentation,
Phobol described this photo, "OK, this is a very interesting, and also important to
me. This is a whole bunch of them around on top of the Ashoka. This is the
background of the place. You cannot see very clearly of the reproduction here.
But this is one of my ayahs washing my clothes sitting in the veranda outside of
my room. She's washing here (pointing with laser pointer) my school uniform. On
the original photos it's much more clear. So we shared these stories because we
had interacted with her quite a bit -- the washing lady. For me it's very important,
because when I had my experience it was not something.. -- for me it was very
natural and have seen [to have seen?] a lot of ships over the temple or over the
-- we have a large area -- over the trees, near the well, over the house.":




UFO in Night Sky over Ashoka Ashram:



The Most Amazing Photo


In his 1964 New Delhi Statesman article, Mr. Venkatesh referred to this startling
photo below as showing "a big, bright cross". Meier had asked Asket to demonstrate
something dramatic that her ship was capable of, which she clearly did using a
technology unknown to Meier. (There is conjecture that the cross was a kind of
holographic projection, perhaps similar to that which was used by another
extraterrestrial race that created the Miracle at Fátima illusion.) Notice that
directly behind Meier, who is sitting in the foreground in this daytime photo, is
the same tower as the one in the lower corner of the nighttime photo above (130).



The cross was widely seen by other people in the area, including two women who
worked with Meier at the ashram helping to take care of animals, Mrs. Fiske and
Mrs. Crystal Rogers, both of whom were actually present with Meier at the time
this photo was taken. Mrs. Fiske was an English governess who came to India to
teach the children of a maharaja. She then came to the ashram to teach Phobol,
but this was not for very long, because she tried to force Phobol to become an
English "Lady".



Consider that Meier was in India to study Buddhism. Among the things that he came
to learn was meditation and to study the teachings that included information on
reincarnation. Just a year earlier, in 1963, he and Isa Rashid had co-discovered an
ancient document in a long forgotten tomb in Jerusalem. So Asket may have used
this opportunity to also include a hint pertaining to one of Meier's own previous
incarnations, when he was also an important prophet for humankind who came to
teach in India, after having survived being...crucified.:





In Appreciation of Mr. Venkatesh

In Gary Kinder's book, "Light Years", (Part 4, page 47) we find the following information:

"Many years after the article appeared in the New Delhi Statesman, the reporter,
S.Venkatesh responded to a letter inquiring about the mysterious Mr. Albert. He
wrote: 'I distinctly remember meeting the man and he seemed, on recollection,
very serious about what he was saying. I for one would be eager to know what
he did later on, whether he encountered any more space men and ships and
whether he disclosed anything to anyone later, as he promised he would.'"

In 1965, a year after his experiences in India, Meier lost his arm in an accident in
Turkey. Some 10 years later, in 1975, he began to release to the world volumes
of the clearest, most unambiguous photos, film, video, sound recordings and even
metal samples of the UFOs, all of which were shown to be free of manipulation,
models, special effects, etc. It must be emphasized that the sheer variety,
quantity - and quality - of Meier's more recent physical evidence exceeded
anything he presented when he had two hands to work with.

I think Mr. Venkatesh would have been very interested to know just how much
"Mr. Edward Albert", aka Billy Meier, has indeed experienced and disclosed to
the world, since their meeting in India, in 1964. And, while he is no longer
amongst us to receive it, we offer our appreciation to him for providing such
rare, historical evidence that at once establishes the truthfulness of Meier's
claims and confronts us with the most important story in human history.

http://theyfly.com/India_1964.html

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...060#post548060

[OMG]

It would be awesome if you (Bill) could ever interview Billy. And I don't like some things about Billy, such as him basically demeaning any language that isn't German, or closing himself off from interviews anymore, etc.

Also I understand the complaints about Horn's strong devotion and impassioned views. But I also have listened to numerous rebuttals regarding the many "fake" claims and I think Horn wins most of these discussions if you critically examine what's being put forth.

Regardless of any latter year questions of Billy - the early work of his by itself is clearly irrefutable PROOF in my determination. And it should be at the forefront in this genre instead of swept under the carpet as many do.

It really is truly amazing stuff!

p.s. Since Corey Goode spoke of the inner earth beings, among other people, I have often wondered if these weren't the beings that actually contacted Billy with their own hidden agenda's, etc.

[Cidersomerset]

Bill Ryan made a great post above that i think echoes how many of us feel/felt about Meier, but ...
It's possible that billy meier was a lying scam artist fraud from the start. Just sayin'.

Every case is open to being debunked from Roswell to the Phoenix lights , but I like
to look at the secondary researchers and witness's if available. With Billy there a
several reputable people involved that make this such a compelling case imo....

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Wendelle Stevens Team-Jim Dilettoso's Methodology & Testing of Billy Meier UFO Photos

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NrV63mZOSp8

This is a extended version of the above presentation....with analysis
of the Phoenix lights phenomennon as well...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F7sZx_bmKTw

These are very good films explaining some of the principles of film analysing,
definately worth adding to your knowledge on the subject imo ...Cheers Steve

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Karpos (here)
Bill Ryan made a great post above that i think echoes how many of us feel/felt about Meier, but ...

It's possible that billy meier was a lying scam artist fraud from the start. Just sayin'.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HxHt-R687pE

Thanks... I just watched this. Yes, the 'Semjase' photo was clearly a fake , and some of the others (the 'Wedding Cake'! ) are patently ridiculous also.

But I'm not sure if the original contact reports can be dismissed on the back of silly photos. There might well be both truth and fakery all blended together in here. As I said above, this is why people walk away.

I have a friend in Pasadena, CA who spent time with Billy back in the early 1980s, and like Kal Korff, has original material... in her case, she has many boxes of Billy's original notes of his contact experiences. I don't think even Michael Horn knows they exist.

I've never seen them myself, but they would be a researcher's gold mine. She is convinced Billy's stories (at that time) were for real. The stories are different from the photos. But it's very understandable for people to bracket them all together.

Re the 'dinner plate UFOs', here's a real one... taken in Peru in the 1960s. I know the person who took it. It's totally genuine. It's not the same as the Meier photos, but is similar. As best I know, there ARE other photos, from other parts of the world taken by different people, that look very similar to Meier's 'beamships'.

[Cidersomerset]

Whats interesting about Lee Elders and his team who had no links to ufology either
way and were conducting an investigation into the truth of the case from third
party point of view , still stood by their original findings years later....

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Produced for TNN's American Magazine, this feature looks at the strange case of
Billy Meier, a one-armed Swiss farmer. He reportedly had contact with
extraterrestrials on numerous occasions. Original airdate 6/1989

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uecnF71bXc4

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uecnF71bXc4

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ubTQswUPt7g

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ubTQswUPt7g


Lee Elders comments at the end of part 2 Lee said that he would not
exchange his experience for a million dollars. But would not also not
take a million dollars to do it all over !! Shows what a profound
experience they all had...

Billy subjected himselfe to scrutiny and passed a lie detector test....

The debunking stuff is fine and all UFO researchers have vids and
critics of their work even our own Bill & Kerry and sure some of the
going ons at FIGU may not be to every ones liking but just to 'trash'
it after all the work by Wendell and others seems a shame imo ......



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post548064

[Cidersomerset]

This is just coincidence I watched Childhoods end and it well worth a watch imo
and posted the Tlr on an Arthur C Clarke thread I did a few months ago and on
it is a contact from his TV show that reported on mainstream TV at the time
about a visit by similar beings that Billy interacted with. They may have been
another group we will never know as there was no conversation involved, but
worth a post as it came up and obviously wants to be included ...LOL

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Re: Arthur C Clarke, Major Wayne Aho + others....Radio show on UFO's..2.May.1958

Very interesting re the High German - I have not watched this yet, so perhaps I should not ask - but is this Althochdeutsch? And, as an aside, how many native English speakers understand "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight"?

You have a point , but I think Reinhold Schmidt has German speaking parents and understood parts
of it ? The point is its 1957 well before Meier went public, though his contact started in the 1940's.
May just be coincidence and a hoax , but its unlikely ? there are many other languages Schmidt
could have chosen , bare in mind Plejaren are telepathic and may have realised he could understand
German as well as English, only a thought.


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This case was on the Arthur C Clark vid above...

UFO ENGLAND DOCUMENTARY Out Of This World Staffordshire 1954

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=npCZ3W7Qtz4

http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/...encounter.html




https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post998687

[Hervé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Re: the above picture, see this other discussion starting here <--- with the main point being that those trees are not native to Peru (any Peruvian on PA to confirm/infirm?)

[Mutchie]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I read Gary Kinder's most excellent book Light Years back in 1988, and it captivated me. I then became extremely interested in Billy Meier's story.

There are a number of early videos he took (all on his own, with his one arm) that look really pretty real — published LONG before any kind of CGI was readily available.

I also talked at length with George Green (see this Camelot interview), who had had personal, highly strange experiences with Billy back in the 1980s — and I had the privilege to meet and talk with Wendelle Stevens, before he died.

I do believe that Billy did had some very genuine contact experiences, back in the early days. Kerry Cassidy and I visited his farm in Switzerland (it was impossible to talk with Billy himself, though, who trusts no-one any more). There's a little barn there turned into a kind of visitor center, with displays of large, high-resolution, early photos that look stunning and impressive... far more so than a small image you might see on a web page.

But there is very compelling (almost overwhelming) evidence that after those early days, he began to fake and fabricate things. Not smart, of course... because it means then all his legitimate material could also be thrown out with the bathwater. (And it has been, by many people.)

And Michael Horn (Billy's professional, full-time paid PR spokesman) does not help. He is (let's put it this way) highly committed to Billy, but he's an unpleasant, ferocious attack dog in defense of Billy's stories, and is almost impossible to dialog with. Almost everyone I know in the UFO community has kind of washed their hands of the whole thing, because it's become so muddy and tainted, and really hard to deal with from an honest researcher's point of view.

Only Billy knows the truth of what really happened. I would love to have interviewed him... and I really tried. In summary: the early evidence way well be largely for real (and is extraordinary). The later evidence is largely not, at the same time as the claims became more and more outlandish and extreme. And if one visits the They Fly website, you can get lost in all the detail for literally hours and days.

I noted with GREAT INTEREST that Bill's take on Billy the Meier story was EXACTLY what John Lear said to ME about it a few years ago....The early stuff was ALL real but then he made stuff up.

Does this mean Billy ended up with UFO DISEASE ???

[JChombre]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Wendelle Stevens talks on how they - as ufo-investigators on the case, were
watched and followed by the CIA and the international intelligencia, while
scrutinizing this ufo-contact in Switzerland in the 70ths. This while the same hidden
power people ridiculing this, and similar cases to the deceived society.
.

Thank you Cidersomerst for providing video 1/3 of Wendelle Stevens presentation. Enclosed are the other two videos. They are short and they provide the information on how Billy material might have been interfered with.

As several people have mentioned here, Billy Meier early work and information seems to be authentic, and it is.

However, there are a lot of questions about his later work, and the concern is well justified because this information and material was cleverly doctored and falsified by others... perhaps to discredit Billy's work?

The point being made here is that Billy did not falsify or "cooked" his information and pictures, other people did it and put it under his name. Unfortunately, Wendelle Stevens, a man of high integrity, was used without his knowledge in this process.

I am not really into Billy Meier. However, a great deal of his information resonates with me but I am not sure that it is the only authentic info given to us as Michael Horne is saying... But I cannot help wondering what Billy is doing that seems to disturb so many people, agencies...?

Many blessings to you.

JC

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ysHlBT94YUQ