Why Stefan Molyneux Supports Donald Trump - Best Explanation Yet!

[ExomatrixTV]

Why Stefan Molyneux Supports Donald Trump [Best Explanation Yet!]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c4YCs63R4JY

[OnyxKnight]

... "correcting is not endorsing"

Then later we have "someone who has been fairly consistent" - Excuse me, what? Trump? Consistent? Yes, if you don't pay attention what he said yesterday, let alone the week before.

Not sure why I expect logic coming from an anarcho-capitalist. And of course, only an anarcho-capitalist would favor somebody like Trump over Sanders. They want the same system, just with a few strings cut loose for more leeway and room for power.


Stefan Molyneux is a snake oil salesman and I'm not sure why he (and his views on Trump) are shared on Avalon...

[ExomatrixTV]

OnyxKnight postings from Avalon members like me is NOT the same that the poster assumes Avalon "must" endorse the posting... I go even a step further: everything that I post is NOT necessarily "proof" that I endorse what I post! DO YOU GET THAT? ...

I share NOT because I think it "must" be true or false ... I share because I want to learn from the (hopefully intelligent) responses and I consider possibilities nothing more nothing less! Now I know SOME do not like that approach because you suppose to chose sides for or against ! In that way you may get cornered for the same reasons that tyranny is promoting "divide & conquer" tactics aka "Hegelian Dialectic" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
OnyxKnight postings from Avalon members like me is NOT the same that the poster assumes Avalon "must" endorse the posting... I go even a step further: everything that I post is NOT necessarily "proof" that I endorse what I post! DO YOU GET THAT? ...

I share NOT because I think it "must" be true or false ... I share because I want to learn from the (hopefully intelligent) responses and I consider possibilities nothing more nothing less! Now I know SOME do not like that approach because you suppose to chose sides for or against ! In that way you may get cornered for the same reasons that tyranny is promoting "divide & conquer" tactics aka "Hegelian Dialectic" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

This is your video, and you say [Best Explanation Yet]. There wasn't much room for me to draw any other conclusion, was there now? You didn't add a disclaimer, or a foreword of some sorts prior to the content of the video or in the opening post. Yes, endorsing was wrong word choice, I've edited that part out. But the video was shared here and it brings a snake oil salesman giving praise to another, bigger, snake oil salesman, now running for presidency. That's the facts.

[ExomatrixTV]

OnyxKnight your accusation that Stefan Molyneux "must be a snake oil salesman" is NOT backed with any substantial evidence or examples to proof your claim ... so I put that in the "cheap name-callings" category ... never impressed me ever (that kind of rhetoric).

[ExomatrixTV]

Think You Hate Donald Trump? Radio Host Outlines Why You Shouldn’t, Answers Popular Trump ‘Untruths’ [Video]

While Donald Trump supporters have been labeled by many Trump haters as “uneducated,” “stupid,” and “racist” for following a man that many claim has inflammatory rhetoric, at least one highly educated man is taking a stand against the media’s “dishonest” portrayal of the business mogul. Stefan Molyneux, a former software entrepreneur and executive turned internet radio host and author, is hoping to put to rest common Trump “untruths” that he says are the product of a bias and overzealous mainstream media hellbent on getting a “viral” story no matter the cost. If you want to be certain you hate Trump for the right reasons, not ones construed by the media, watch Molyneux’s video below to hear the real meaning behind Trump’s most controversial statements to make the judgement for yourself.

Freedomain Radio is “the largest and most popular philosophical show in the world” with users making over 100 million downloads on the 100 percent viewer-funded radio website. In addition to the website, Freedomain Radio‘s founder Stefan Molyneux has over 359,000 subscribers on his YouTube channel which has received over 87 million views and counting. That’s why it may come as a surprise to Trump protesters that Molyneux is using his voice to help Trump overcome some common “untruths” surrounding some of his controversial statements in the media.

While you can call Molyneux many things, you can’t call him uneducated or “stupid” like many Trump protesters would have you believe. He is the founder of a successful online radio podcast and is the author of 10 books including two novels. So if his video doesn’t change your mind on the media bias towards Trump, he can at least change your opinion on the type of person who may be voting for Trump.

Bill Whittle & Stefan Molyneux On Donald Trump & The Liberal Mainstream… https://t.co/1bvnuu1fw3 via @YouTube

— Trudge (@Trudginon1) March 19, 2016

As Stefan outlines in his video above, he felt compelled to wade through the “half truths,” “untruths,” and misrepresentations about Donald Trump in the media and is doing so by providing viewers with the entire context of some of the most popular Donald Trump “untruths” that have been used by mainstream media and Trump protesters in a bid to stomp Trump’s presidential campaign. However, Molyneux says that many of the popular “problems” people have with Trump are actually the creation of the media by taking Trump’s words and misconstruing them in a way that paints the businessman in a bad light. Therefore, the Freedomain Radio host created a list of the most popular myths to give viewers a better understanding of exactly where Trump really stands on a number of controversial issues.

“Since 1988, Donald Trump has been discussed as a potential United States presidential candidate, but when he officially announced his candidacy on June 16, 2015 the mainstream media refused to believe it. Over the next many months, Donald Trump would be attacked and criticized by the media – but were these criticisms legitimate? What is the Untruth About Donald Trump?”

With the popularity garnered from the first video, Stefan Molyneux created a second video to tackle some more of the “untruths” he has seen in the media about Donald Trump. Much like the first video, each “untruth” is outlined by what the media headlines boasted about Trump in comparison to the “full story” as provided by complete speech transcripts and documents.

What do you think about Stefan Molyneux’s correction of popular Donald Trump “untruths?” Does the thorough rebuttal for Donald Trump’s rhetoric change your opinion on the businessman?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qwJZGlC5lXM

[risveglio]

Molyneux has some really powerful videos, The Story of Your Enslavement being one of the best to wake people up on the evils of government. I don't always agree with him but I don't know why you think his views should not be shared on Avalon. I mean, there are people here that post Krugman on a regular basis and his is a tool of the elite.

I don't like Trump but I think he is consistently a nationalist. He is building his base on an anger and on a pro-America type of nationalism that seems to be having a come back both here and in Europe. That along with this Socialist / Fascist (Trump included) buildup by other candidates makes me wonder if we have gone back in time 100 years.

[ExomatrixTV]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

[robinr1]

clearly that was just your opinion. maybe u should go back and edit your post also.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
OnyxKnight postings from Avalon members like me is NOT the same that the poster assumes Avalon "must" endorse the posting... I go even a step further: everything that I post is NOT necessarily "proof" that I endorse what I post! DO YOU GET THAT? ...

I share NOT because I think it "must" be true or false ... I share because I want to learn from the (hopefully intelligent) responses and I consider possibilities nothing more nothing less! Now I know SOME do not like that approach because you suppose to chose sides for or against ! In that way you may get cornered for the same reasons that tyranny is promoting "divide & conquer" tactics aka "Hegelian Dialectic" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

This is your video, and you say [Best Explanation Yet]. There wasn't much room for me to draw any other conclusion, was there now? You didn't add a disclaimer, or a foreword of some sorts prior to the content of the video or in the opening post. Yes, endorsing was wrong word choice, I've edited that part out. But the video was shared here and it brings a snake oil salesman giving praise to another, bigger, snake oil salesman, now running for presidency. That's the facts.

[Caliban]

I don't know about Molyneux's views on Trump, not sure I care. But I'm pretty sure he seems to buy into all the staged/FF events that have been happening. I've heard a couple of his tearful rants regarding Paris and Belgium, sounded rather self righteous. Does he really believe these events are as MSM portrays?

Don't forget this is a guy who's made hundreds of videos by himself staring into a camera.

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by robinr1 (here)
clearly that was just your opinion. maybe u should go back and edit your post also.

How about no?

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
OnyxKnight your accusation that Stefan Molyneux "must be a snake oil salesman" is NOT backed with any substantial evidence or examples to proof your claim ... so I put that in the "cheap name-callings" category ... never impressed me ever (that kind of rhetoric).

Snake oil salesman is somebody trying to sell you lies, that only benefit themselves.If you watched any of his other videos, you would see why this name suits him, and is no way an insult.

But like I said, you endorse both guys, so I can see why you steer my "rhetoric" towards "name-calling".

What is anarcho-capitalism to you? To Stefan, it's the perfect social system (and he must think Donald will bring it since Donald will fair even better in such a system, they both will). I'm interested why you support it, and where does your endorsement come from?

[risveglio]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by robinr1 (here)
clearly that was just your opinion. maybe u should go back and edit your post also.

How about no?

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
OnyxKnight your accusation that Stefan Molyneux "must be a snake oil salesman" is NOT backed with any substantial evidence or examples to proof your claim ... so I put that in the "cheap name-callings" category ... never impressed me ever (that kind of rhetoric).

Snake oil salesman is somebody trying to sell you lies, that only benefit themselves.If you watched any of his other videos, you would see why this name suits him, and is no way an insult.

But like I said, you endorse both guys, so I can see why you steer my "rhetoric" towards "name-calling".

What is anarcho-capitalism to you? To Stefan, it's the perfect social system (and he must think Donald will bring it since Donald will fair even better in such a system, they both will). I'm interested why you support it, and where does your endorsement come from?

Anarcho-Capitalism is freedom and liberty and Donald Trump does not endorse anything close to Anarcho-Capitalism. Trump calls for tariffs. That is not Capitalism.

Are you are dissatisfied with the services from the government?

Do you feel like you can govern yourself?

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by risveglio (here)
Anarcho-Capitalism is freedom and liberty and Donald Trump does not endorse anything close to Anarcho-Capitalism. Trump calls for tariffs. That is not Capitalism.

Are you are dissatisfied with the services from the government?

Do you feel like you can govern yourself?

Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron, if there ever was a perfect candidate for oxymoron when you open a dictionary. To call it freedom and liberty one has to either be sarcastic, or ignorant of what the type of system entails, or a supporter/advocate. I guess you're the third?

I am (dissatisfied), but not to the point of abolishing it (not my local one anyway). I'm an anarchist at heart, but I'm observant enough to see that the world is not ready for practical anarchism yet. We have a lot more growing up to do before we get there. That's the equivalent of graduation from school, there's much to learn in the meantime. Anarcho-capitalism, is definitely not a step forward. It's a step sideways.

Yes, I can govern myself, but I can't say the same for most people around me. Probably the same applies for the larger portion of the world.

[risveglio]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)
Anarcho-Capitalism is freedom and liberty and Donald Trump does not endorse anything close to Anarcho-Capitalism. Trump calls for tariffs. That is not Capitalism.

Are you are dissatisfied with the services from the government?

Do you feel like you can govern yourself?

Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron, if there ever was a perfect candidate for oxymoron when you open a dictionary. To call it freedom and liberty one has to either be sarcastic, or ignorant of what the type of system entails, or a supporter/advocate. I guess you're the third?

I am (dissatisfied), but not to the point of abolishing it (not my local one anyway). I'm an anarchist at heart, but I'm observant enough to see that the world is not ready for practical anarchism yet. We have a lot more growing up to do before we get there. That's the equivalent of graduation from school, there's much to learn in the meantime. Anarcho-capitalism, is definitely not a step forward. It's a step sideways.

Yes, I can govern myself, but I can't say the same for most people around me. Probably the same applies for the larger portion of the world.

There is nothing remotely contradictory between anarchy and capitalism. Anyone that has ever made a choice for themselves is an anarchist at heart. You are just so much better than all those people who can't take care of themselves I guess. It's impossible to think that a community could take care of their less fortunate without some entity solely based on the use of force. Sanders and Socialism is 15 steps backwards but I guess some delusional European kid knows better.

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by risveglio (here)
Sanders and Socialism is 15 steps backwards but I guess some delusional European kid knows better.

Not sure where you got that from, but who ever was teaching you, sold you a lie. Anarchy and capitalism are not the same. They can't be more different from each other.

Same goes for socialism and social democracy (which is what actually Mr. Sanders endorses, if you actually bothered to check facts), they're not the same.

[risveglio]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)
Sanders and Socialism is 15 steps backwards but I guess some delusional European kid knows better.

Not sure where you got that from, but who ever was teaching you, sold you a lie. Anarchy and capitalism is not the same. They can't be more different from each other.

Same goes for socialism and social democracy (which is what actually Mr. Sanders endorses, if you actually bothered to check facts), they're not the same.

You obviously have been sold the lie. You are delusional if you think Sanders solution of more government is going to do anything but destroy this country. You need to study quite a bit more. The latest numbers say a family of 4 that make $80,000 a year would see tax increases of $200 / week. Plenty of middle class Americans pay more in taxes than all other expenses combined. Sanders will destroy this country just like Socialism is destroying Brazil and already has to Venezuela and Argentina. Bernie Sanders is just about wrong an everything. He is the same as Trump as he can take the low hanging fruit that people are mad about and twist it to his idiotic ways to promote his idiotic ideas. Government and Bankers are the problem so lets just have more Government. Please!


Democratic Socialism is no different than Socialism

https://mattwilson32.wordpress.com/

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by risveglio (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)
Sanders and Socialism is 15 steps backwards but I guess some delusional European kid knows better.

Not sure where you got that from, but who ever was teaching you, sold you a lie. Anarchy and capitalism is not the same. They can't be more different from each other.

Same goes for socialism and social democracy (which is what actually Mr. Sanders endorses, if you actually bothered to check facts), they're not the same.

You obviously have been sold the lie. You are delusional if you think Sanders solution of more government is going to do anything but destroy this country. You need to study quite a bit more. The latest numbers say a family of 4 that make $80,000 a year would see tax increases of $200 / week. Plenty of middle class Americans pay more in taxes than all other expenses combined. Sanders will destroy this country just like Socialism is destroying Brazil and already has to Venezuela and Argentina. Bernie Sanders is just about wrong an everything. He is the same as Trump as he can take the low hanging fruit that people are mad about and twist it to his idiotic ways to promote his idiotic ideas. Government and Bankers are the problem so lets just have more Government. Please!


Democratic Socialism is no different than Socialism

https://mattwilson32.wordpress.com/

Sanders is no hero or the best candidate ever. He's the best candidate you have right NOW. The only candidate worth voting put next in line with Hillary and Trump. He went to jail for his beliefs which have not shaken one bit since his 20s. Considering Americans won't be paying healthcare and education, slightly higher taxes in exchange is no big deal, they'd still save up money. Don't forget that proportionally higher taxes are expected to be cut from the wealthier bunch (unless you conveniently left that out?). You know, people like Trump? Hillary too? Considering both love money so much, the former starts lawsuits every second tuesday over who said what about him on social media, and the other gladly slurps cash just to attend somewhere and deliver a speech of 3-4 sentences. Not to mention the fundraisers etc. Pretty obvious why neither would like Sanders in office. Also, I'm not sure where you get those numbers you quoted but I'd like to squeeze them source-wise if I may.

Sanders wrong on "just about everything"? So he's wrong for the legalization of marijuana? Wrong on taking down Wall Street? Bankers? Industry moguls/tycoons? On fracking? On GMOs? On war and terrorism? The social equality issues he stands for? Thank you for confirming that you have no clue what Sanders' agenda is. Not much more than you do about anarchy either.

Socialism? Let's see. I live in a country that has it's communist days, socialist days, capitalist-transitioning days and stuck in a WIP social democracy at present. So yes, I know better, I have direct experience and/or first-hand people I can learn/talk/consult with about all those topics, including anarchist organizations (if you personally count me out as an anarchist, because I'm talking crap about Stefan, the King of the Oxymorons). My father is a law graduate, my mother is a sociologist. I do believe I know what the f*** I'm talking about, and can tell the difference, but thanks for the "delusional" adjective, that really brought a lot of substance to the discussion, and I believe you are generous in smacking that label on every person that doesn't quite agree with you.

Which in my case, is made worse, as you bring up my age too (a delusional kid). Ageist!

[risveglio]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)
Sanders and Socialism is 15 steps backwards but I guess some delusional European kid knows better.

Not sure where you got that from, but who ever was teaching you, sold you a lie. Anarchy and capitalism is not the same. They can't be more different from each other.

Same goes for socialism and social democracy (which is what actually Mr. Sanders endorses, if you actually bothered to check facts), they're not the same.

You obviously have been sold the lie. You are delusional if you think Sanders solution of more government is going to do anything but destroy this country. You need to study quite a bit more. The latest numbers say a family of 4 that make $80,000 a year would see tax increases of $200 / week. Plenty of middle class Americans pay more in taxes than all other expenses combined. Sanders will destroy this country just like Socialism is destroying Brazil and already has to Venezuela and Argentina. Bernie Sanders is just about wrong an everything. He is the same as Trump as he can take the low hanging fruit that people are mad about and twist it to his idiotic ways to promote his idiotic ideas. Government and Bankers are the problem so lets just have more Government. Please!


Democratic Socialism is no different than Socialism

https://mattwilson32.wordpress.com/

Sanders is no hero or the best candidate ever. He's the best candidate you have right NOW. The only candidate worth voting put next in line with Hillary and Trump. He went to jail for his beliefs which have not shaken one bit since his 20s. Considering Americans won't be paying healthcare and education, slightly higher taxes in exchange is no big deal, they'd still save up money. Don't forget that proportionally higher taxes are expected to be cut from the wealthier bunch (unless you conveniently left that out?). You know, people like Trump? Hillary too? Considering both love money so much, the former starts lawsuits every second tuesday over who said what about him on social media, and the other gladly slurps cash just to attend somewhere and deliver a speech of 3-4 sentences. Not to mention the fundraisers etc. Pretty obvious why neither would like Sanders in office. Also, I'm not sure where you get those numbers you quoted but I'd like to squeeze them source-wise if I may.

Sanders wrong on "just about everything"? So he's wrong for the legalization of marijuana? Wrong on taking down Wall Street? Bankers? Industry moguls/tycoons? On fracking? On GMOs? On war and terrorism? The social equality issues he stands for? Thank you for confirming that you have no clue what Sanders' agenda is. Not much more than you do about anarchy either.

Socialism? Let's see. I live in a country that has it's communist days, socialist days, capitalist-transitioning days and stuck in a WIP social democracy at present. So yes, I know better, I have direct experience and/or first-hand people I can learn/talk/consult with about all those topics, including anarchist organizations (if you personally count me out as an anarchist, because I'm talking crap about Stefan, the King of the Oxymorons). My father is a law graduate, my mother is a sociologist. I do believe I know what the f*** I'm talking about, and can tell the difference, but thanks for the "delusional" adjective, that really brought a lot of substance to the discussion, and I believe you are generous in smacking that label on every person that doesn't quite agree with you.

Which in my case, is made worse, as you bring up my age too (a delusional kid). Ageist!

So I have to pay more in taxes and be forced to send my children to a school that sucks and teaches complete garbage like socialism is a viable option, FDR had to imprison the Japanese and Truman had to drop the Atomic Bomb along with a ton of other falsehoods. Forced to use the Medical system approved by Chairman Sanders which will poison my children with pharmaceuticals approved by the state. Usually when you tax the wealthy, if they are producers, they charge more which in the end hurts the consumers (middle class) more than the upper classs.

The only issue that Sanderrs may be right on is the legalization of marijuana but he wasn't the first candidate to make the suggestion and he doesn't go far enough. He is wrong on why there is a problem with Wall Street, Bankers, Industry, Fracking, GMOs (not all GMO is Monsanto and that should be a choice - FREEDOM). He does nothing to stop the wars, never has. He doesn't understand why there is social inequality. And if you think you can legislate social equality by using violence, you are wrong! He has completely no clue on how an economy is supposed to work and thinks food rationing is a good thing

You claim there is no consistency in anarcho-capitalism but it is probably because you don't understand either First off, there has been no true capitalism in the US in well over 100 years. Capitalism is the voluntary exchange of goods and services free from the state. Anarchy advocates stateless societies based on voluntary associations. Both require no or minimal state power. They seem quite consistent from where I stand. Very little of what Molyneux said in that video had to do with Trump. It was mostly about peaceful parenting so maybe you hate Molyneux because you want to beat your kids.

Oh your Dad is a lawyer in Europe, that means so much. I have a friend who's Mom is a lawyer and his father is a surgeon and he is dump as ****. History shows that socialism doesn't work, never has, never will. It is based on violence and has no moral justification. If you don't like that your neighbor makes more money than you, then work harder. Find something that people want and you will make plenty more than he ever could. Socialism (even the democratic kind) breeds laziness, contempt and stifles innovation.

Almost all of my relatives came here with nothing. Some worked two, three, in some cases four jobs to go from immigrant poor to the middle class. In one generation, due mostly to government handouts, I have a tenth of my extended family that are completely dependent on government because of horrible social policies. When given viable options for employment, the common answer is that they can't because they are going to lose their government benefits.

When I work in the soup kitchens I often here the same thing. "If I get a job, I will lose my welfare". Three years ago a company had 10 openings for work. It provided 3 months guaranteed pay, it included housing and two meals a day. I was only able to get one person to say yes in 4 Sunday's. That's your Socialism. We don't need or want the US to become Europe. Most of us left Europe because it is completely ****ed up.

[DouglasDanger]

Posted by Caliban (here)
I don't know about Molyneux's views on Trump, not sure I care. But I'm pretty sure he seems to buy into all the staged/FF events that have been happening. I've heard a couple of his tearful rants regarding Paris and Belgium, sounded rather self righteous. Does he really believe these events are as MSM portrays?

Don't forget this is a guy who's made hundreds of videos by himself staring into a camera.

I have seen 90% of what Stephan has produced and none of it was tearful, rage filled sure. His program is called Freedomain Radio if you had watched more than just a few clips you would see how he lays things out in point form and most times, if needed, he has other visual aids other than "just staring into a camera".

Your post reads like you are jealous he gets paid for making You Tube videos.



Thank you ExomatrixTV for introducing Avalon to him, Stephan Molyneux is insightful and informative IMHO.

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by risveglio (here)
The only issue that Sanderrs may be right on is the legalization of marijuana but he wasn't the first candidate to make the suggestion and he doesn't go far enough. He is wrong on why there is a problem with Wall Street, Bankers, Industry, Fracking, GMOs (not all GMO is Monsanto and that should be a choice - FREEDOM). He does nothing to stop the wars, never has. He doesn't understand why there is social inequality. And if you think you can legislate social equality by using violence, you are wrong! He has completely no clue on how an economy is supposed to work and thinks food rationing is a good thing

I'm sure even if I post verbatim **** Sanders has said on these topics you will find a way to spin them around. But no, none of what you said is what Sanders supports. He's not your kind of candidate? Fine. Vote for Trump then. See how that goes.

Posted by risveglio (here)
You claim there is no consistency in anarcho-capitalism but it is probably because you don't understand either First off, there has been no true capitalism in the US in well over 100 years. Capitalism is the voluntary exchange of goods and services free from the state. Anarchy advocates stateless societies based on voluntary associations. Both require no or minimal state power. They seem quite consistent from where I stand. Very little of what Molyneux said in that video had to do with Trump. It was mostly about peaceful parenting so maybe you hate Molyneux because you want to beat your kids.

If you want anarchy applied, look at the Venus Project/RBE social model, or the Star Trek society. Yes, they beat capitalism in all respects as a better model. There are systems that are inherently bad and flawed, and then there are systems who are fine, but have leaders who are inherently bad and flawed. When you have a marriage between such a system and such leadership, you end up with your country.

I only opened the video to check the points he made about Trump, the rest I either agree with or don't care about. Don't worry about my kids, physical discipline is not one of the tools I plan on using as a parent. But thanks for the assumption! Colorful thinking!

I don't like Molineux on questions concerning alternative topics, and the way he treats people he debates with. So yes, the guy has left a sower taste in my mouth, very subjective opinion there. What's objective is the analysis of Trump and what he said about Trump. So I called out on the bull****.

Posted by risveglio (here)
Oh your Dad is a lawyer in Europe, that means so much. I have a friend who's Mom is a lawyer and his father is a surgeon and he is dump as ****. History shows that socialism doesn't work, never has, never will. It is based on violence and has no moral justification. If you don't like that your neighbor makes more money than you, then work harder. Find something that people want and you will make plenty more than he ever could. Socialism (even the democratic kind) breeds laziness, contempt and stifles innovation.

You asked how I knew what I was talking about - so I let you know. Old enough to taste a couple of different systems, young enough to require impression, experience and educated opinion from people in fields of law and sociology. Grandad was a miner, but he loved Tito for instance. So, no lawyer or anything, so does his opinion count? (I dislike Tito, just to clear any possible confusion). History has shown that socialism doesn't work when people try to trick the system and make it their own version like they are doing a cover song their own damn way. But it has worked for my country, so, history what?

Yes, money. The root of all problems. It's not that you make more money. I don't want anyone making any money, including myself. Period. I can work just as hard without that. Those who need such an incentive to work at all, those are the lazy bunch you should have a problem with, if laziness and contempt are your banes.

Posted by risveglio (here)
Almost all of my relatives came here with nothing. Some worked two, three, in some cases four jobs to go from immigrant poor to the middle class. In one generation, due mostly to government handouts, I have a tenth of my extended family that are completely dependent on government because of horrible social policies. When given viable options for employment, the common answer is that they can't because they are going to lose their government benefits.

When I work in the soup kitchens I often here the same thing. "If I get a job, I will lose my welfare". Three years ago a company had 10 openings for work. It provided 3 months guaranteed pay, it included housing and two meals a day. I was only able to get one person to say yes in 4 Sunday's. That's your Socialism. We don't need or want the US to become Europe. Most of us left Europe because it is completely ****ed up.

You are equating welfare with an entire system? What kind of system is you present one remind me? You left Europe because it's completely ****ed up? Oh, please, tell me more how your current setup is so much nicer! I'm dying to hear more!

(tango and tango we dance, but we keep ending up on the argument of flawed system + flawed leadership = bull****^2)