Why Stefan Molyneux Supports Donald Trump - Best Explanation Yet!

[sigma6]

Posted by Caliban (here)
I don't know about Molyneux's views on Trump, not sure I care. But I'm pretty sure he seems to buy into all the staged/FF events that have been happening. I've heard a couple of his tearful rants regarding Paris and Belgium, sounded rather self righteous. Does he really believe these events are as MSM portrays?

Don't forget this is a guy who's made hundreds of videos by himself staring into a camera.

according to Alex Jones... he doesn't

[risveglio]

I think your mind is so very much of that of the collective (Maybe you were on a BORG ship) that I don't think we can communicate. You do not see how ending the progress of the mind is the only way you can stop freedom and that socialist policies do nothing for the overall better of humanity. The nice thing about this is since I know this, it doesn't matter what your intention is. Maybe you generally believe one man can control the lives of others or 51 humans deciding for 100 which side has to die. Or 2 men and one woman deciding what constitutes as rape.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)
The only issue that Sanderrs may be right on is the legalization of marijuana but he wasn't the first candidate to make the suggestion and he doesn't go far enough. He is wrong on why there is a problem with Wall Street, Bankers, Industry, Fracking, GMOs (not all GMO is Monsanto and that should be a choice - FREEDOM). He does nothing to stop the wars, never has. He doesn't understand why there is social inequality. And if you think you can legislate social equality by using violence, you are wrong! He has completely no clue on how an economy is supposed to work and thinks food rationing is a good thing

I'm sure even if I post verbatim **** Sanders has said on these topics you will find a way to spin them around. But no, none of what you said is what Sanders supports. He's not your kind of candidate? Fine. Vote for Trump then. See how that goes.

I know more about Sanders's voting record. I know more about his history. Sanders is popular for the same reason Trump is popular. He says nothing in a very popular way. They create a monster for all our problems without even skimming the service. That's the idea. Those that make the rules don't want you think about the rules. They just need you to have an enemy, so lets just pit them against each other. They do not want you to think of him as a human being, how he wants what you want, to live, succeed, love, enjoy life, provide for those you bring into the world and make them good people.

It works here. I blame our collectivists school and our worship of a cloth. I believe there is either a dumbing down or an intentional softening. They definitely sold us democracy which as a student of revolutionary history is quite ironic. I think US founders would have seen an entity with a monopoly on force being able to use that force based on the majority as Satan.

I have no intention of voting but I guess as a collectivist who knows his way to live is better, he is willing to use force, you had to end with a command.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)
You claim there is no consistency in anarcho-capitalism but it is probably because you don't understand either First off, there has been no true capitalism in the US in well over 100 years. Capitalism is the voluntary exchange of goods and services free from the state. Anarchy advocates stateless societies based on voluntary associations. Both require no or minimal state power. They seem quite consistent from where I stand. Very little of what Molyneux said in that video had to do with Trump. It was mostly about peaceful parenting so maybe you hate Molyneux because you want to beat your kids.

If you want anarchy applied, look at the Venus Project/RBE social model, or the Star Trek society. Yes, they beat capitalism in all respects as a better model. There are systems that are inherently bad and flawed, and then there are systems who are fine, but have leaders who are inherently bad and flawed. When you have a marriage between such a system and such leadership, you end up with your country.

I don't think you have any idea what the capitalist system is supposed to be, at least the one Molyneux is endorsing. I think you struggle with all the good social policies being something that can only be done by the state which is hogwash. I think in a voluntaryist society, most small communities would pretty much be socialists in the rosy colored way you see socialism, there would be a lot of shared resources, probably better ones, less corrupt ones. Probably ones that did not have to have a plaque to a racists because he was once a President of some club and donated millions.

As for the Venus Project and a Star Trek economy. Both pipe dreams unless you can can make energy a hell of a lot cheaper. Until that technology is either found or released or given to us. (Come on man, ask your buddies) we have done a better job with "capitalism" than any "socialists" countries do in lighting the world and lifting the extreme poor. Socialist countries seem to be good at keeping things stagnant, partying a lot, taking a lot of time off, not thinking things beyond what is taught to them. Reminds me of college life in America. .... hmmm

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
I don't like Molineux on questions concerning alternative topics, and the way he treats people he debates with. So yes, the guy has left a sower taste in my mouth, very subjective opinion there. What's objective is the analysis of Trump and what he said about Trump. So I called out on the bull****.

My defense wasn't for Molyneux but he is a philosopher so is supposed to make you think. You also probably went in with the wrong attitude. Target's posts can help you with that, they helped me at least.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)
Oh your Dad is a lawyer in Europe, that means so much. I have a friend who's Mom is a lawyer and his father is a surgeon and he is dump as ****. History shows that socialism doesn't work, never has, never will. It is based on violence and has no moral justification. If you don't like that your neighbor makes more money than you, then work harder. Find something that people want and you will make plenty more than he ever could. Socialism (even the democratic kind) breeds laziness, contempt and stifles innovation.

You asked how I knew what I was talking about - so I let you know. Old enough to taste a couple of different systems, young enough to require impression, experience and educated opinion from people in fields of law and sociology. Grandad was a miner, but he loved Tito for instance. So, no lawyer or anything, so does his opinion count? (I dislike Tito, just to clear any possible confusion). History has shown that socialism doesn't work when people try to trick the system and make it their own version like they are doing a cover song their own damn way. But it has worked for my country, so, history what?

Yes, money. The root of all problems. It's not that you make more money. I don't want anyone making any money, including myself. Period. I can work just as hard without that. Those who need such an incentive to work at all, those are the lazy bunch you should have a problem with, if laziness and contempt are your banes.

Posted by risveglio (here)
Almost all of my relatives came here with nothing. Some worked two, three, in some cases four jobs to go from immigrant poor to the middle class. In one generation, due mostly to government handouts, I have a tenth of my extended family that are completely dependent on government because of horrible social policies. When given viable options for employment, the common answer is that they can't because they are going to lose their government benefits.

When I work in the soup kitchens I often here the same thing. "If I get a job, I will lose my welfare". Three years ago a company had 10 openings for work. It provided 3 months guaranteed pay, it included housing and two meals a day. I was only able to get one person to say yes in 4 Sunday's. That's your Socialism. We don't need or want the US to become Europe. Most of us left Europe because it is completely ****ed up.

You are equating welfare with an entire system? What kind of system is you present one remind me? You left Europe because it's completely ****ed up? Oh, please, tell me more how your current setup is so much nicer! I'm dying to hear more!

(tango and tango we dance, but we keep ending up on the argument of flawed system + flawed leadership = bull****^2)

I do not see money as a problem. Money, in the current system is definitely a problem. Ok, so maybe money in our system is not "socialists" but it is not "capitalists". Money is not the problem but it is one of the tools Satan has always used and always blamed. Money, Drugs, Weapons, Religious Items, a Rock do not care if you use them for good or bad. They have no conscious.

I say any system that allows one man to control another is a flawed system or it is a belief that there are some men/women better than others. I think we should give humanity more of a chance to see that it is not true. We have shown that race doesn't matter (more than once), sex doesn't matter (more than once), social status doesn't matter (more than once) give us some more time. We are new at this freedom thing.

I equate socialism with force. Violent, Aggressive force. Doing what you think is good by forcing others is wrong. History teaches to me that as a Government gets power it only knows how to take more power. Goodness, in our country it is already excepted. If a budget doesn't go up, we are told it took cuts cause the concept of a government getting smaller is ludicrous.