The Billy Meier case: what's the truth?

[Biff]

I have contradicting views on this subject depending
on whose material you read/watch and quote. But I
am pretty sure we are not alone and never have been,
Can I prove that ? no but I cannot prove a lot of things
but I 'believe' they are true......

I get that. I get that a lot, where when some one tries to debunk a contactee, you get the "What? You don't believe we are not alone?!" response. That's not how it should work. I can believe in life outside earth, and intelligent life having influence on earth, without having to believe every contactee case out there, especially one as flawed and exposed as Billy Meier.

[DNA]

Posted by Biff (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

And as for fantastic claims, didn't Meiers actually claim he is the reincarnation of Jesus?

He did.

But to Meier's credit he supports reincarnation and states that the current bible is a crude bastardization of the original document. And you want to know something crazy?

Meier collaborated with an archeologist to uncover the original book of Mathew.

The book is called "The Talmud of Emmanuel".

And just to say it to say it, it appears vested interests have worked to suppress the work. For instance the archeologist who worked with Meier to uncover it was killed.


Just saying. This causes you to wonder. Is Meier making this stuff up and if so not only is he the worlds best UFO model maker and photographer he is also a world class forger of ancient documents and he happens to be able to speak ancient Aramaic and he is a creative author capable of writing a plausible story about Jesus Christ.

We're supposed to to take billy meier's word about finding the scrolls, where this man hoaxed photos and proved his dishonesty...

"Some questions are pertinent to this find story:

The location of the cave is not given. Why?

Why are there no records of the alleged excavation, and no information about what finds were made and how (in what scientific way) they supported the genuineness of the alleged scrolls?

Why are we not given any information about Rashid? What was his full name? Where was he ordained? Under which bishop did he serve as a priest? The churches keep records which should verify at least that he existed.

The letter from Rashid speaks of him travelling with his family. Where are they today? They ought to be able to verify some of the information about him.

At which university did Rashid learn Aramaic? Universities keep records, so we should be able to verify not only that Rashid existed but also what subjects he studied.

How did Rashid get to know Eduard Meier? Why did he select Meier and no-one else as his coworker in the manuscript publishing?

Since he had the scrolls for 11 years, why did he not make a single photograph or xerox copy of them?

How did “the church” and the Jews find out about his manuscript find?

How could the “church” or the Jews know that the scrolls contained material that would be damaging to their religions, when not an iota of the material had been published and the only two people who had seen the scrolls were Rashid and Meier?

Is it consistent with what we know of church and Israeli behaviour in other cases when faced with other manuscript finds, that they try to suppress them or murder the finders?

The answer to all these questions is simple and obvious. The cave, Rashid and the scrolls never existed."

https://questionyourreality.wordpres...uel-is-a-hoax/

http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.c...r_jmmanuel.htm

Look, I'm not asking anyone to believe anything. I'm certainly skeptical as well. But there is actually more in the way of proof in so far as Meier is concerned.
Meier published his work in 1975 and Wendelle Stevens hand picked certain aspects of this work and published it in 1982.

Meier was able to make quite a few accurate predictions about the solar system before NASA published any of this details included but not limited to where the largest volcano in the solar system was. Meier also gave the date that the first successful cloning of an animal would take place and named the animal as a sheep.

Meier also made some predictions we seem to be on precipice of.
Meier stated that France and England would be shaken to their very core due to an influx of Muslim immigrants. And that these Muslim immigrants would cause extreme civil unrest and destruction, to the point of threatening those very countries existence. This was written in 1975 and I can't help but to make a correlation with that prediction and the present scenario that is taking place with all of the refugees being placed all over Europe.

Meier also states that Russia will attack and conquer most of Europe while at the same time fighting the US.
He even gives the various weapon types that will be used, and it is scary and now it seems plausible.

So I have to disagree with you on Meier making all of this up, because I just don't see anyone being this smart and or clairovoyant.
Also and this was a big one for me.

Meier predicted an increase in earthquakes due to oil drilling.
Meier stated we would see a large increase in earth quakes due also to earth projects such as the damming of water, the removal of water, oil and minerals from the ground.

There was no scientific papers to approach this subject until 1999.
And these papers did in fact agree with everything Meier stated on this topic.

So add to you list of things Meier would need to be a genius at to include Geology, Genetic Engineering and Sociology.

[Cidersomerset]

I get that. I get that a lot, where when some one tries to debunk a contactee, you get the
"What? You don't believe we are not alone?!" response. That's not how it should work. I can believe
in life outside earth, and intelligent life having influence on earth, without having to believe every
contactee case out there, especially one as flawed and exposed as Billy Meier.

Of course you can believe that , if Billy's story does not resonate or you just
think its BS that's ok and there are many others who feel that, but I still
think there is something to it especially the timing .......

[Biff]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Biff (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

And as for fantastic claims, didn't Meiers actually claim he is the reincarnation of Jesus?

He did.

But to Meier's credit he supports reincarnation and states that the current bible is a crude bastardization of the original document. And you want to know something crazy?

Meier collaborated with an archeologist to uncover the original book of Mathew.

The book is called "The Talmud of Emmanuel".

And just to say it to say it, it appears vested interests have worked to suppress the work. For instance the archeologist who worked with Meier to uncover it was killed.


Just saying. This causes you to wonder. Is Meier making this stuff up and if so not only is he the worlds best UFO model maker and photographer he is also a world class forger of ancient documents and he happens to be able to speak ancient Aramaic and he is a creative author capable of writing a plausible story about Jesus Christ.

We're supposed to to take billy meier's word about finding the scrolls, where this man hoaxed photos and proved his dishonesty...

"Some questions are pertinent to this find story:

The location of the cave is not given. Why?

Why are there no records of the alleged excavation, and no information about what finds were made and how (in what scientific way) they supported the genuineness of the alleged scrolls?

Why are we not given any information about Rashid? What was his full name? Where was he ordained? Under which bishop did he serve as a priest? The churches keep records which should verify at least that he existed.

The letter from Rashid speaks of him travelling with his family. Where are they today? They ought to be able to verify some of the information about him.

At which university did Rashid learn Aramaic? Universities keep records, so we should be able to verify not only that Rashid existed but also what subjects he studied.

How did Rashid get to know Eduard Meier? Why did he select Meier and no-one else as his coworker in the manuscript publishing?

Since he had the scrolls for 11 years, why did he not make a single photograph or xerox copy of them?

How did “the church” and the Jews find out about his manuscript find?

How could the “church” or the Jews know that the scrolls contained material that would be damaging to their religions, when not an iota of the material had been published and the only two people who had seen the scrolls were Rashid and Meier?

Is it consistent with what we know of church and Israeli behaviour in other cases when faced with other manuscript finds, that they try to suppress them or murder the finders?

The answer to all these questions is simple and obvious. The cave, Rashid and the scrolls never existed."

https://questionyourreality.wordpres...uel-is-a-hoax/

http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.c...r_jmmanuel.htm

Look, I'm not asking anyone to believe anything. I'm certainly skeptical as well. But there is actually more in the way of proof in so far as Meier is concerned.
Meier published his work in 1975 and Wendelle Stevens hand picked certain aspects of this work and published it in 1982.

Meier was able to make quite a few accurate predictions about the solar system before NASA published any of this details included but not limited to where the largest volcano in the solar system was. Meier also gave the date that the first successful cloning of an animal would take place and named the animal as a sheep.

Meier also made some predictions we seem to be on precipice of.
Meier stated that France and England would be shaken to their very core due to an influx of Muslim immigrants. And that these Muslim immigrants would cause extreme civil unrest and destruction, to the point of threatening those very countries existence. This was written in 1975 and I can't help but to make a correlation with that prediction and the present scenario that is taking place with all of the refugees being placed all over Europe.

Meier also states that Russia will attack and conquer most of Europe while at the same time fighting the US.
He even gives the various weapon types that will be used, and it is scary and now it seems plausible.

So I have to disagree with you on Meier making all of this up, because I just don't see anyone being this smart and or clairovoyant.
Also and this was a big one for me.

Meier predicted an increase in earthquakes due to oil drilling.
Meier stated we would see a large increase in earth quakes due also to earth projects such as the damming of water, the removal of water, oil and minerals from the ground.

There was no scientific papers to approach this subject until 1999.
And these papers did in fact agree with everything Meier stated on this topic.

So add to you list of things Meier would need to be a genius at to include Geology, Genetic Engineering and Sociology.

Excellent points, if this is all true, which I believe you. It's just a shame that he either sabotaged himself with fake photos and possibly fake narrative re: the Talmud scroll, or as others suggest, he was targeted to be discredited, which worked for the most part. Thanks

[Cidersomerset]

I just posted this on another thread about possible ET contact
and that's without the Greys and the many others. Which is
why I was referring to who/what/where you read/watch/listen
or research.....

Re: Is Mt Ziel, Australia, The Central Hub for ETs?

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...83#post1063283

I can remember a quote from an interview early on either from Coast or
a project Camelot interview that there was several joint ET Human bases
around the world and one was at Pine Gap in the centre of Australia,
described as an ET R & R way station.

Australian Underground Alien Base??

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wNjFpU4qHe4

Published on 8 Aug 2013

Could there be an Alien underground Base in the outback of Australia, this video could be proof.


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The day UFOs stopped play......Florance Italy 1954 // UFO Files of the Italian Air Force



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lian-Air-Force


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There are other ET races supposedly here.....

XCon 2005 - Charles Hall - The Tall Whites - ET Experiences in the Nevada Desert



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Nevada-Desert

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I've been trying to find some mainstream info about the 'Norwegian alians' with 24
teeth ? Its suggested they are related to the Sammi/Lap people of Northern
Scandinavia/Russia. I have not found any mainstream article about human
anomalies such as 24 teeth...



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Nevada-Desert

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https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ans#post868936

[DNA]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

A farmer born in the town of Bulach in the Swiss Lowlands, Eduard "Billy" Meier's
claimed his first extraterrestrial contacts occurred in 1942 at the age of five with an
elderly extraterrestrial human man named Sfath. Contacts with Sfath lasted until
1953.

If the German NAZIS had this tech in 1942 the war would have been over before
the US war machine was able to turn the tide , which became the Mil ind complex
Eisenhower warned about.

Billy also said when they researched the German language to speak to him they
were using a 'high German' dialect .But most communication came from telepathic
or information downloads.

I don't know all the ins and outs of Billys story but the early material and
investigation seems genuine to me. Of course it could be hoax , but I don't get that
vibe. Billy will be probably leaving this plane in the next decade or so and
it will be interesting if we get real undisputable disclosure about the Plejaren
before he goes. Many others say disclosure has already happened unofficially and
ET has always been here and probably had a hand in creating homo sapien sapien,
( us ) from earlier indigenous hominoid mixing with their DNA.

There are many way you can go from there as there are now many researchers on
the various themes that we are not alone in the universe and never have been.
I have contradicting views on this subject depending on whose material you
read/watch and quote. But I am pretty sure we are not alone and never have been,
Can I prove that ? no but I cannot prove a lot of things but I 'believe' they are probably true given the amount of witness and research coming to light......

I hear what you say Cider, especially in so far as it relates to Meier's early abductions/contacts.

It does seem that those would have predated a settled Antarctic civilization.

I could offer a plausible stretch and state that the early memories could have been planted by those who contacted him at a later date. But as I remember the early stories, I think there was a local parish priest who Billy confided in and who told Billy not to tell anyone else about the contacts and assured Billy that the beings were benevolent.
It seems like it would be a stretch to state those memories were implanted. Possible but a stretch.

[Cidersomerset]

It does seem that those would have predated a settled Antarctic civilization.

I was thinking about the Ant artic NAZI link and there is a lot of research into that,
the first contact after WW1 was with the race from Aldebaron communicating
Telepathically thru mediums which does have some similarity to how Billy claims
to get his 'down'loads of info.....

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I've been looking thru my thread archives and I know I have posted on this subject
many times but they are probably on other members . A couple below I found
are related though some of the vids have timed out......


Did the Nazis have an atomic weapon? and did they develop a flying saucer to deliver the bomb ?

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...liver-the-bomb

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The Vril & Thule societies & NAZI UFO's

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ies-NAZI-UFO-s

[DNA]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
I've been trying to find some mainstream info about the 'Norwegian alians' with 24
teeth ? Its suggested they are related to the Sammi/Lap people of Northern
Scandinavia/Russia. I have not found any mainstream article about human
anomalies such as 24 teeth...

I remember John Keel mentioning the Laplanders in his Men In Black lecture here.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y6BI6ktTp9w

I can't tell you where in the lecture he starts talking about them but from memory I can sum it up.

Keel mentions that the folks known as Laplanders where reknown to have some kind of powerful magic back in the middle ages.
And it was also reported at this same time that not a few of the victories attributed to the Anglo leaders of the area was known to be assisted on some strategic level by the Laplanders.

Keel mentions this because when folks are asked to identify the persons from their Men In Black experience when shown men of differing races they almost always find themselves pointing to the Laplander photo in describing the race of the person they met/saw.

Keel then goes on to China, where he talks about how it was known in China that the King of The World lived in the middle of the earth, and that he would often send his emmisaries to the royal courts of China to let his bidding be know. He would always send an envoy of three individuals and there seemed to be much in the way of correlation to connect the two for Keel.

And in running through some information looking for this Keel video I ran into this Billy Meier video.

I thought it was cool. In this interview Billy Meier states in his contact that the Men In Black are indeed Sirian in origin. Now might all of this mean that the Laplanders are Syrian in origin? I don't know, but I find this data correlates well.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-DK6PDLVzGc

[Cidersomerset]

I remember John Keel mentioning the Laplanders in his Men In Black lecture here.

This is same presentation on one vid....

He mentions them twice aprox 7 mins in and again later in the vid
interesting , the whole interview although outdated in some aspects
in others he is quoting memes going on at the time and covering the
period mainly from WW11. He quotes a lot of related material mainly
men in black reports , but other phenomena as well.It does remind
you this has been going on a long time, and many of the cases he
refers to are familiar , Aurora Texas and other news paper ,magazine
articles of strange going on , and sightings.....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vMYorwx_lic

Published on 24 Aug 2014


John Keel Men In Black Lecture 1986
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/video-jo...
John Keel is regarded by many as a pioneer in the field of Fortean studies. He popularized,
and indeed may have created, the terms "Men In Black" and "Ultraterrestrials" but Keel is
most well-known as the main researcher and investigator of the Mothman experiences. He
wrote a number of books including The Mothman Prophecies, Disneyland of the Gods, Our
Haunted Planet and Jadoo.

[mahigitam]

Meier case has been and still is nothing other than a grand hoax. Our recent investigation, at BMUFOR, has conclusively proved that point.

http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...ual-teachings/
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...d-predictions/

And here are our earlier investigations:
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...ravel_pictures
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...s/#Conclusions

[Cidersomerset]

Meier case has been and still is nothing other than a grand hoax. Our recent investigation, at BMUFOR, has conclusively proved that point.

If this is all a hoax and the figment of the imagination of a young 'tear away'
youth , who led the life of a adventurer travelling the world with his imaginary
friends, until losing an arm , marrying and starting a family on a small holding
in Switzerland working the land as well as a job as a security guard. Before going
into any ET or spiritual material.

I think this is pretty interesting in itself. His down loads and multiple visitations
suggest most of the info is not his but given to him either by ET's as he tells us. Or
as many others have over the centuries had information given to them for all
sorts of subjects from religion , scientific inventions and just pleasure from ,
dreams , visions and sub conscious idea's from non-physical on the astral plane or
where ever ?

David Icke has said many times that with all the research he does daily , that when
it comes to writing a book the information suddenly comes to him in the right order
it is supposed to over the past 25 years. It happens quickly he may feel a
new book is due then one day he will get up and the info flows from his sub
conscious directing him to links etc.

He has probably gathered much of the info but not all of it and it difficult to explain.
I think he said Einstein and others just woke up with many of their greatest finds or
inspiration.Was it their own creation ? Help from non - physical ? or Et or some
other download by creators monitoring our evolution. There are always more
questions than answers and with the quantum world being theorised and explored,
reality is not what the current scientific meme suggest.

For me the fact at the atomic level nothing is solid and everything in this reality
is holographic opens up many possibilities and goes for me into the ion material.
This also quotes all different subjects as everything is created by us . The wonderful
human creators , so all knowledge good and bad is created stored in a non -
physical archive ' Guf' these have been quoted by various prophets and religions
over the centuries so Billy spiritual material may well be similar to other sources...

[KiwiElf]

Here's what I gleaned from earlier documentation:

Like Adamski, Meier's camera could only be used with a telescope, which means in order to have faked the photos from the 70's he would have had to use full-size "models" (translate that as at least 36 ft in diameter), on a crane and some how erase the wires holding them. (Same applies to the Adamski photos btw). May I remind readers that the original photos and movie footage from that period have NEVER been proved to be fake, irrespective of the models that were found after the fact (...so what? He made models of what he saw!).

As for the movie footage, it was done on 8mm film (as in TINY frames), impossible to edit pre-Photoshop.

The video footage of one of the saucers, flying in low circles in front of and then BEHIND his house and a tree, which is "disturbed" by the motion, clearly visible in the hard-to-find footage of the period (how convenient).

Professional sound editors who listened to and analysed the recordings of the "saucer sound" could not figure out how it was done.

Billy provided samples of the metal the Pleiadians gave him for a govt lab to analyse; It was made up of many known Earthly elements, and some that were not. Unlike a cake, where you mix many ingredients and get a fairly even distribution, this showed something quite different from our known alloys and unknown at the time. Then the sample "disappeared" from the govt lab, the "proof" lost.

The conclusion was that he had to be the best SFX, modeller, metallurgist and sound editor around at the time (and even today) if they were faked.

Can someone explain that?

[HaveBlue]

'Billy was given metal pieces but by morning they had dissolved'. It all sounds too much like the gangbanksters and Fort Knox who offer up much the same excuses.

Dissolving metals with acids is no mystery anyway, if indeed the story has any merit at all.

As a side note, I find it interesting that both the names Lazar and Meijer are listed as being in the top 13 illuminati bloodline familes.
Lazar (who I believe) from the get go said how much the sport model at S4 looked like the Billy Meijer one.
Perhaps this is all a kind of disclosure of sorts, with each not knowing exactly what part they play.

Truth mixed with lies is probable. So that those who can't handle truth don't have to by force of overwhelming and officially sanctioned evidence and those that can get their head around it and discern wheat from chaff can choose to.
Stan Deyo (very credible IMO) says the tech for UFOs was worked out long before the 70s, back in the 50s, even to the point where Deyos training had him believe he had 'cracked' the secrets to it all himself, subsequently Stan Deyo was shown he had indeed not, but had recalled what he had been entrained with years earlier by way of very fast moving images on a TV screen of sorts.

[Cidersomerset]

Depends who you believe ? Some will say this is proof others will say its BS.

Like the Roswell metal some say its ET , others say its just aluminium foil....

An Analysis of a metal sample from a Plejaren space craft by Marcel Vogel

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JwxmRfhptgA

Uploaded on 26 Jan 2007

An Analysis of a metal sample from a Plejaren space craft by Marcel Vogel


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A longer version with more detail....

1985 - Beamship - The Metal Analysis PART 1 of 5_2.mp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cFr3zzFeYk

[Cidersomerset]

inventing the consensus .......segment last approx 25 mins

Aprox 33 mins in Johns intro is very appropriate for this
and most of the threads we enjoy, and he puts it into
words better than I can. Its upto you if you listen to
it all he starts off with another conversation he had
with a mainstream science editor......

Consensus is not just a collection of experts who are all
saying the same thing,thats what many people in media
believe, and some people in the public believe. He said
its a lot worse than that , we invent consensus & I hope
you understand that distinction for its the Key....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yNoQQdhuRqY

Published on 23 Apr 2016

It's Thursday and it's another FADERNIGHT with Jon Rappoport...and we also play
tribute to Prince, who left this Earth earlier in the day...we play some selected
tracks from his last public performance that took place one week earlier at the Fox
Theatre in Atlanta, GA.

[Ines]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Hi Zakky this always polarises opinion , there is interesting plausible material
and some suspect aspects like the afore mentioned photos , some of the models
Billy had made , the ray gun and other bits and pieces. There also is loads of
intrigueing photos film and witness testimony interviews and research by
credible investigators. If, like many you find the case fascinating don't get
drawn in to either extreme side of the debate , until you know more about it,but
follow your own instincts and if it feels it has some merits dip in and out. If not
don't let it bog you down in trying to debunk it as many have tried before.

I think there is something to it and his early material and photos in India look
genuine , so no doubt you will get various responses if this follows other Billy Meier
threads....

Previous thread.....Some of the U/tubes have timed out , but you should be able to
find , refreshed versions.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...060#post548060

Another interesting thread I noticed when I searched for one above...
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...a-Desert/page3

Thank you Cidersomerset... this threads you open in 2012, in the SubForum "Future Talk. 2012 and Beyond". are very complete with information about the Billy Meir Case. Lots of evidence, testimonials, photos and videos.... everything is in there ! you did a lot of research.

And many people keep trying to debunk all of that, based on ONE silly thing or another.

I have had read enough documentation to be convinced that BILLY MEIR was authentic, the real thing !
Thank you for all your research work, Cidersomerset.

[Ines]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Here's what I gleaned from earlier documentation:

Like Adamski, Meier's camera could only be used with a telescope, which means in order to have faked the photos from the 70's he would have had to use full-size "models" (translate that as at least 36 ft in diameter), on a crane and some how erase the wires holding them. (Same applies to the Adamski photos btw). May I remind readers that the original photos and movie footage from that period have NEVER been proved to be fake, irrespective of the models that were found after the fact (...so what? He made models of what he saw!).

As for the movie footage, it was done on 8mm film (as in TINY frames), impossible to edit pre-Photoshop.

The video footage of one of the saucers, flying in low circles in front of and then BEHIND his house and a tree, which is "disturbed" by the motion, clearly visible in the hard-to-find footage of the period (how convenient).

Professional sound editors who listened to and analysed the recordings of the "saucer sound" could not figure out how it was done.

Billy provided samples of the metal the Pleiadians gave him for a govt lab to analyse; It was made up of many known Earthly elements, and some that were not. Unlike a cake, where you mix many ingredients and get a fairly even distribution, this showed something quite different from our known alloys and unknown at the time. Then the sample "disappeared" from the govt lab, the "proof" lost.

The conclusion was that he had to be the best SFX, modeller, metallurgist and sound editor around at the time (and even today) if they were faked.

Can someone explain that?

Maybe BMUFOR, can explain it. Do you think that might try... mahigitam ...?

[KiwiElf]

To debunk the debunkers even further, I should have also mentioned in the above post that Billy had the use of only one arm? (it's been stated in the earlier posts but it needs re-emphasizing...): to fake those photos/8mm movies the way I described ie with full size 36 ft diameter models and a crane, would have, in the 70's, been impossible to fake for a film studio of the period, let alone a poor, one-armed farmer achieving it.

I haven't seen any documentation from the original investigations to the claim that the metal samples dissolved; the samples were handed in good faith to a lab to analyse - their findings were that the technology to "fuse" the alloys in that manner was unknown at the time (and may still be); the samples "disappeared" from the lab (which is in the original Japanese video documentaries, along with the saucer-sound analysis; the professional sound engineers couldn't duplicate it)

[Mike Gorman]

Whatever you might think about Mr Meir there are those very good photos he took, and the footage from the earliest contacts which no 'de-bunker' has managed to re-create with their claims of 'trick photography' and 'Miniature trees', NONE of them has credibly presented anything near the same quality, IN FACT THEY ARE LAUGHABLE. Wendel Stevens was no fool, he put Meir's evidence through some pretty rigorous tests, from 3rd party science experts. The results from these earliest evidence examples was 100% genuine. Certainly there have been some odd **** going down, personality cult-ish behaviour. But Billy has certainly not profited very much financially, and in fact has suffered a great deal. There is something very credible and odd about the Billy Meir case, and you have to expect a lot of the usual obfuscation efforts from hostile quarters-and he has his share of enemies, always a sign that there is something threatening to certain people here. I like Billy, but I would like more surety, I think the original contacts were genuine.

[mahigitam]

Posted by Ines (here)
Maybe BMUFOR, can explain it. Do you think that might try... mahigitam ...?

Sorry, just this day I came across this 7 day old post.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Here's what I gleaned from earlier documentation:
Like Adamski, Meier's camera could only be used with a telescope, which means in order to have faked the photos from the 70's he would have had to use full-size "models" (translate that as at least 36 ft in diameter), on a crane and some how erase the wires holding them. (Same applies to the Adamski photos btw). May I remind readers that the original photos and movie footage from that period have NEVER been proved to be fake, irrespective of the models that were found after the fact (...so what? He made models of what he saw!).

No, Meier's camera's doesn't need telescope at all. And how they likely have been taken, has been demonstrated by Phil Langdon.
www.billymeierufo.com

Meier never submitted any ORIGINALS (films, negatives, slides, etc.) at all. His excuse was that they stolen or exchanged with fakes or simply lost with time. So basically any tests done on the nth generation prints or negatives are useless. It has been reported and concluded by several organizations that Meier's photos are fake. And again Meier has excuse - "MIB/CIA did it".
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...ion-of-others/

Moreover, recently it has been came to light that Wendelle and Elders have allegedly suppressed the negative results of investigation conducted by IPI Laser analysis.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-UnRelea...p2047675.l2557

By the way did you check our investigation into Meier's so-called authentic space photos:
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/photos-and-videos/

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
As for the movie footage, it was done on 8mm film (as in TINY frames), impossible to edit pre-Photoshop.

The video footage of one of the saucers, flying in low circles in front of and then BEHIND his house and a tree, which is "disturbed" by the motion, clearly visible in the hard-to-find footage of the period (how convenient).

Please refer to the above Phil Langdon's work, who also have demonstrated how Meier might have shot his most likely faked videos.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Professional sound editors who listened to and analysed the recordings of the "saucer sound" could not figure out how it was done.

This is not exactly a sound rebuttal but Langdon and several other sound engineers or technicians (in forums) have pointed out how similar Meier's beamship sounds are similar to known sounds and how easy it could have been faked. So Meier's audio recordings can't be seen as conclusive evidence. Also refer to Langdons site and also that of Derek Barthlomaus' (www.billymeierufocase.com) on this.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Billy provided samples of the metal the Pleiadians gave him for a govt lab to analyse; It was made up of many known Earthly elements, and some that were not. Unlike a cake, where you mix many ingredients and get a fairly even distribution, this showed something quite different from our known alloys and unknown at the time. Then the sample "disappeared" from the govt lab, the "proof" lost.

Pure bull****. Check out our article on this metal samples saga.
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...ystal-samples/