The Billy Meier case: what's the truth?

[zakkyD1302]

So i have been reading and watching some stuff on Billy and I find his stuff to really be amazing and quiet credible but that's my opinion. Anyways People have said that the picture he took of the female ets That were called Asket and Nera were fake and that he got them off the Dean Martin show I don't know if any one has made this connection but I found it kind of interesting and thought I would share it with others. But listen to the lyrics to the song of dean Martin ( it's easy to remember but hard to forget) maybe it's a coincidence who knows lol here's the link to the show

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x6edQVowYLA

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Zakky this always polarises opinion , there is interesting plausible material
and some suspect aspects like the afore mentioned photos , some of the models
Billy had made , the ray gun and other bits and pieces. There also is loads of
intrigueing photos film and witness testimony interviews and research by
credible investigators. If, like many you find the case fascinating don't get
drawn in to either extreme side of the debate , until you know more about it,but
follow your own instincts and if it feels it has some merits dip in and out. If not
don't let it bog you down in trying to debunk it as many have tried before.

I think there is something to it and his early material and photos in India look
genuine , so no doubt you will get various responses if this follows other Billy Meier
threads....

Previous thread.....Some of the U/tubes have timed out , but you should be able to
find , refreshed versions.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...060#post548060

Another interesting thread I noticed when I searched for one above...
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...a-Desert/page3

[WhiteFeather]

IMO I believe he's real and his material had been tampered and slandered by TPTW. Again its my opinion. I could be wrong. But I don't feel like it. Something of truth with the meir visitations feels right to me.

We are all 1 tribe.....

W
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[Mike Gorman]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Hi Zakky this always polarises opinion , there is interesting plausible material
and some suspect aspects like the afore mentioned photos , some of the models
Billy had made , the ray gun and other bits and pieces. There also is loads of
intrigueing photos film and witness testimony interviews and research by
credible investigators. If, like many you find the case fascinating don't get
drawn in to either extreme side of the debate , until you know more about it,but
follow your own instincts and if it feels it has some merits dip in and out. If not
don't let it bog you down in trying to debunk it as many have tried before.

I think there is something to it and his early material and photos in India look
genuine , so no doubt you will get various responses if this follows other Billy Meier
threads....

Previous thread.....Some of the U/tubes have timed out , but you should be able to
find , refreshed versions.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...060#post548060

Another interesting thread I noticed when I searched for one above...
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...a-Desert/page3

Those models were actually made to test how 'a model would look in the distance' by a film effects company, and some guys found a couple of them and attributed them to Billy, ironically enough.
i think the work by Wendall Stevens is particularly good, his group really put Billy's evidence under the rigour of science and the original film and audio was found to be authentic, and the photographs, not so sure about the dinosaur
picture and some of the time travel stuff - but it seems obvious something happened, and that account by the lady diplomat who lived in the Indian ashram Billy stayed at with the visiting craft, witnessed by many. Interesting stuff for sure.

[EWO]

I read ALL of Meiers contact reports. At the beginning (70s-80s) it was fascinating. He had so much details and evidence. Then in late 80s and on the reports got repetitive and strange. My conclusion at the end was that Bill did have contact with ETs but at some point they broke it off, but Billy didnt. He kept writing and taking pictures and the material shows this.
IMO I think the ETs were using Billy for their own agenda but when that didnt work as planned they simply left. Poor Billy was too immersed in that experience he could not let go so for the sake of the group he kept on writing.

Good ETs Bad ETs, it doesnt matter, everyone has their own agenda, just like our politicians, that will never change.

[ghostrider]

the contacts are still going on to this day ... He writes the spiritual teaching for the ETs ... they pick it up every Thursday , via telemeter cloaked disk that hovers over the SSSC... the world and UFO community will do what they can to discredit him , yet they cannot stop the tidal wave of truth that has begun ... We are not alone in the Universe , they have allowed their ships to be photographed in the daytime , clear picture taken prior to the internet and photoshop ... hell he even has a photo taken of a ship from inside another ship ... they have allowed their ships sounds to be recorded , they have given metal samples , and predictions for the future , all to get us to wake up and learn how to think ... then the real point for the contacts begins , teaching of the laws of Creation so we don't do what our and their forefathers did ... Blow up civilization ... every civilization in the past has fallen , due to the lust for power and control that keeps incarnating on Earth ... their forefathers brought it here , the plejaren feel responsible for Earth ...

[Cidersomerset]

Those models were actually made to test how 'a model would look in the distance' by a film effects company, and some guys found a couple of them and attributed them to Billy, ironically enough.
i think the work by Wendall Stevens is particularly good, his group really put Billy's evidence under the rigour of science and the original film and audio was found to be authentic, and the photographs, not so sure about the dinosaur
picture and some of the time travel stuff - but it seems obvious something happened, and that account by the lady diplomat who lived in the Indian ashram Billy stayed at with the visiting craft, witnessed by many. Interesting stuff for sure.

I know its all on my thread , there are some good interviews on there.......

Wendell was one of best known researchers into the Billy Meier case and is
one of the most respected Ufologist's to date.


Wendell Stevens on Billy Meier UFO

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jm1h7f3QsmA

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UFO researcher, USAF Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens last interview

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YttTjl_ZMPM

Uploaded on 2 Nov 2011

In Memory of UFO researcher, USAF Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens. Many thanks for
your great work!! more info on: http://www.openminds.tv/videos/

[Tyy1907]

I agree with the fact that Meiers character was deliberately attacked and discredited which speaks volumes.

Don't mean to hijack but was Semjase a 4d Pleiadian that manifested a 3d body to interact with Billy, or was she always 3d human?

[mahigitam]

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
I agree with the fact that Meiers character was deliberately attacked and discredited which speaks volumes.

Meier claimed that he has prophecized or predicted a lot of world events and scientific discoveries before our scientists did and yet when verified there is zero evidence to prove it; in fact there is more evidence of backdating.
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...-calculations/

At the same time claimed that he went on space and time travel and took photos, but when these photos are investigated they are identical to photos from TV shows, magazines, etc. Remember these space photos have been authenticated by Plejaren as genuine in 2001 and are published in new edition of contact notes.
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/photos-and-videos/

[Tyy1907]

The waters have been muddied quite a bit with this case. Reminds me of what Jesus said back in the day, his message was for those that had ears to hear. So what was important in the Meier case? What was the intent of his contacts? What's more important the message or the messenger?

[thepainterdoug]

i have always found the meier case to be credible. i ask myself if it was my intention to hoax something, could i pull it off, not just for a day week or month etc, but for 30 years, being interviewed, scrutinized and so on , only to be found a fraud for doing so.
and for what benefit ? is this a money or career maker ?.
i recently met travis walton in person in nyc at the screening of a doc film about his ufo event. 30 years later, he's still telling the same story consistently. The event completely changed his life, altered his career path, job opportunities , marriage and personal life etc.
for what? a lucrative career at 100 dollars an appearance ?
so I feel if most of us went to see billy meier, sat and talked with him at his home as wendell stevens did, we would have little doubt .

[Bluegreen]

There are many sides to this story
Just sayin

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=19qYgUhkM5M

[Precog]

What I would really like to know is if Billy was getting all of this information about future events coming, why no info on 9/11? When he spoke out about 9/11 on one of his DVDs he claimed we were attacked by 19 high-jackers witch is not what happened.

[Cidersomerset]

I have posted this interview on previous threads and is all part of the
story and is a sad aspect of the situation , and like all organisation like
FIGU there is good and bad.

There were lots of problems with this case from the start , Billy himself was a
wayward child , and was & is a flawed human being he is not God. Domestically he
failed as a 'classic father' as with millions of others. Methulsalem mother also had
marital problems with Billy and the whole situation , and it came to a head over this
period and incidents occurred ,which some would call it discipline others abuse , it
certainly has left psychological scars.

His wife and children obviously suffered with the time Billy spent at his work . In
hind sight he probably should of stayed single and as shown in the early
documentaries he kept open house and many photos were stolen and Billy was
running a small holding and the centre had been infiltrated by the intelligence
agencies and there were many assassination attempts on his life. Although
Methulsalem is sad and upset about how he was treated by some members at FIGU
and not being understood and helped more by his father. He does not debunk the
work of his father and as far as he knows the contacts were genuine.

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As I said above there are aspects of the case that seem implausible
and dis info and possible spin by some members of FIGU has probably
gone on over the years. I do not follow their work and most of my
interest comes from the basic question are UFO's real ? and
who ? Are ? When ? questions that follow from that.

I think they are , though we have probably got human craft
doing similar things now.

The ray gun looks suspect , but as Methulsalem says he saw the
hole in the tree , and who knows what such a weapon should
look like , human fire arms come in all shapes and sizes....

Billy posing with gun..


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Platic guns look like toys and some look real



http://www.3ders.org/articles/201405...nted-guns.html

[Camilo]

I have reviewed his material over the years and I feel this is the most compelling case, and of course TPTW have done everything withing their power to discredit him, because of the potential consecuences.

[Rex]

Reminded me of this clip (can't remember if this was Encounters or Sightings, but I remember watching it when it aired):

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi..._VS_Kal_Korff/

The clip is of Jim Delittoso vs Kal Korff taking sides on the Billy Meier case regarding their personal research into it. Clocks in at a quick 7:13.

Unfortunately this will only muddy the waters further. Jim seems to solidly lose his case to Kal, but in hindsight does the show do this intentionally? Who's calling the shots? I remember seeing this and then being surprised to discover that Richard Hoagland and Jim worked together for awhile.

I did a quick google of Kal and was surprised to see how far he seems to have fallen. Or has he?

Apologies

[Cidersomerset]

This is from 2012 I think ? though could be earlier , but many years after the initial
investigations , and like Wendelle and others who looked into the Billy Meier case
did not make money out of it. They did it because they were/are enthusiasts like
many on forums like Avalon and are interested in the unknown and as Jim says its
a hobby , other wise he would not of spent thousands of hours on this subject and
others. In this presentation he gives background on the subject and how he
approaches his work. These are genuine people and have done their best to get to
the bottom of some aspects of Billies claims. A good interview to get an insight
from Jims perspective.......

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Wendelle Stevens Team-Jim Dilettoso's Methodology & Testing of Billy Meier UFO Photos

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NrV63mZOSp8

Published on 12 Apr 2012


Wendelle Stevens Team-Jim Dilettoso's Methodology & Testing of Billy Meier UFO Photos

My website dedicated to researching and archiving both the pro & con
evidence of the Meier case: http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/

[Tyy1907]

Just found this- a woman that met Asket at the same ashram that Billy was at several years earlier

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iRm-X6UVjGg

[Elainie]

I got heavily into the Meier material back in the 80's. My ex husband and I befriended Wendelle and ex even flew to Switzerland to meet Billy, all he met was the inner circle but he was impressed (back then) with what they had to say.

I do find the models, the faux ray gun and the pictures of Asket And Nera (an outed hoax) disconcerting. I don't know what to make of the case anymore, but theories like Nazi's from the South Pole doing a Psy ops have run through my mind.

[DeeMetrios]

I briefly looked into his contact reports some years ago now & all was good positive reading ...
but a few years ago i found out that his sources say "they are the one & only true source of information"
& that other contactee's & channels are not genuine .
I never bothered with him again , as is evident .......... his material & what he brings forth is tainted .