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    Default Re: Convincing Perpetual Motion System Explained Step by Step in 4 minutes!

    undeniable & undebunkable ... movement is (kinetic) energy = over-unity if it has NO input P E R I O D! ... checkmate debunkers!
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    I didn't hear any explanation! Only music.

    It looked interesting and fun, but more would be needed for anyone to replicate it and understand the interaction between all the components. One can do a lot of interesting things with magnets, but without clever electromagnetics in the mix too, it's extremely unlikely that this is 'a perpetual motion machine'.

    To demonstrate that, one would have to show a time-lapse film showing (or indicating) that it the motion was continuing uninterrupted, on its own, in a sealed (maybe transparent) container, for days or weeks. More convincing still would be to hook it up to a small dynamo powering a light bulb all that time, since perpetual motion = free energy.

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    Very clever side-stepping of the magnetic lock position by that lever that p[ushes the magnet up just as magnetic lock would occur. Simple and elegant. Nice!

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    Default Re: Convincing Perpetual Motion System Explained Step by Step in 4 minutes!

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    More convincing still would be to hook it up to a small dynamo powering a light bulb all that time, since perpetual motion = free energy.
    I don't quite equate perpetual motion with free energy - to connect to any dynamo would require a reasonable amount of resistance - an amount that might require a very large perpetual motion device, which only needs to get past it's own resistance to work.

    This looks possibly legit to me - if the correct material are used, the force needed to bump the one magnet out of position momentarily so as to create an unequal pull / push of magnetic energy, wouldn't need to be that great - and if done at the right time, the magnets themselves would assist the process a little. Looks like a perpetual motion machine to me, but yes a time-lapse of it running over a couple days would seal it.

    One would have to build a giant version for it to be able to actually produce any amount of electricity (in the way we are used to creating electricity), I would assume ... Not sure it would be a practical design for electricity creation ...
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    Very clever side-stepping of the magnetic lock position by that lever that p[ushes the magnet up just as magnetic lock would occur. Simple and elegant. Nice!
    It's hitting a lever on the bottom as well ... any idea what that is for?
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    Mike, I don't see another levered action at the bottom. I do see a reflection as the magnets pass in the acrylic - is that what you are referring to?

    I did some experimenting with magnets and that magnetic lock is hard to beat. In my design the lever was not supplied with enough force to overcome the lock. I needed better magnets but had no resources at the time. So I can maybe better appreciate this solution. It seems legit.

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    Mike, I don't see another levered action at the bottom. I do see a reflection as the magnets pass in the acrylic - is that what you are referring to?

    I did some experimenting with magnets and that magnetic lock is hard to beat. In my design the lever was not supplied with enough force to overcome the lock. I needed better magnets but had no resources at the time. So I can maybe better appreciate this solution. It seems legit.
    No there's definitely another functional lever at the bottom (video is pretty poor quality though). Go to 2:45 in the video - take a look, then watch it in motion at 2:58-ish; the "rocker" that lifts the top bar metal / magnet or whatever is also striking a lever at the bottom - but I can't really think of what it is doing - probably something obvious I am just not considering. ...
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    Mike, I don't see another levered action at the bottom. I do see a reflection as the magnets pass in the acrylic - is that what you are referring to?

    I did some experimenting with magnets and that magnetic lock is hard to beat. In my design the lever was not supplied with enough force to overcome the lock. I needed better magnets but had no resources at the time. So I can maybe better appreciate this solution. It seems legit.
    No there's definitely another functional lever at the bottom (video is pretty poor quality though). Go to 2:45 in the video - take a look, then watch it in motion at 2:58-ish; the "rocker" that lifts the top bar metal / magnet or whatever is also striking a lever at the bottom - but I can't really think of what it is doing - probably something obvious I am just not considering. ...
    The bottom striker would have to be a smaller magnet.
    when the drum is in rotation and the top magnet gets pulled away, the bottom magnet helps to boost movement. It is a smaller magnet because it lines up with the thinner cycle of the rotating magnets. This could work but you would also need gears to attach to it so the friction of an electric motor would not slow it down too much.

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    Funny, now its easy to see. I guess its like Bennycog says. Even cooler. Makes me want to get back into this. It would be fun to build a working model.

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    Mike, I don't see another levered action at the bottom. I do see a reflection as the magnets pass in the acrylic - is that what you are referring to?

    I did some experimenting with magnets and that magnetic lock is hard to beat. In my design the lever was not supplied with enough force to overcome the lock. I needed better magnets but had no resources at the time. So I can maybe better appreciate this solution. It seems legit.
    No there's definitely another functional lever at the bottom (video is pretty poor quality though). Go to 2:45 in the video - take a look, then watch it in motion at 2:58-ish; the "rocker" that lifts the top bar metal / magnet or whatever is also striking a lever at the bottom - but I can't really think of what it is doing - probably something obvious I am just not considering. ...
    The bottom striker would have to be a smaller magnet.
    when the drum is in rotation and the top magnet gets pulled away, the bottom magnet helps to boost movement. It is a smaller magnet because it lines up with the thinner cycle of the rotating magnets. ...

    Yup I can see it now - when the guy starts the device, it seems it wouldn't get past one full rotation without that second bottom magnet which seems to have the striker move it into position just momentarily - it like is a "push" magnet, whereas the one on the top is a "pull". It must be an integral part of the design. Pretty neat. I imagine the tolerances to build such a device are very small, especially at that size. Likely not easy to do.
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