Obama plans to reveal massive cache of UFO secrets before leaving office: report

[Mark]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Obama has a long and proven track record which can be summed up in two words
nondisclosure & secrecy. I understand the need that people have when they 'want' to believe something but to completely abandon reality is simply asking for disappointment.

Thanks for that in-depth analysis. It is certainly true and on point, as far as it goes. In regards to these other issues aside from Disclosure, Obama, as every American president has done before him, toes the line. Walks the walk. Acts as POTUS with the expected allegiances and obligations. Without getting into the associated Obamaspiracies, suffice it, on my part, to say that he is no different, no better or no worse than anyone else who runs for that office and achieves it. Or, probably, any other office in any other country.

So animus directed at him particularly is misplaced in this discussion and I'd like to keep us on that topic specifically as I've already made clear earlier in this thread.

I expect that the potentiality of Obama trumping Hillary or Trump for some unscrutable purpose might be the only takeaway from this entire meme as it makes its rounds on the Internet.

And who knows? It might finally be in the interests of the PTsB to release more information. In order to move the game one step further along.

[Agape]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

This does fit into our current Alt Community understanding. In the modern era, going back to the agreement made after Roswell to give up humans for alien experiments in exchange for alien technology. Going back further and into mythology, whoever those known as the Anunnaki really are, be they Tall Whites or Reptilians or both simultaneously. Anybody listening to Rudolph of Germany? I'm about 60 vids in.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0k4eh8Y2G90

That's just sick . I wonder how such a video can stay on youtube . You know , I'm sorry if I won't repeat myself on this *same* topic today because I did already and the alternative media and so called 'witnesses' most quoted these days are full of the 'powerful draco conspiracy' ,
mean and meaningless to any decent being .

Why do people quote the same nonsense , all the time , trying to sort out cutting-edge paradigms with IQ worth swinging wooden horse ?

Anunaki is only a name , human term signifying possibly 'Star Visitors', term popularised through and by Zacharia Sitchin who tried translating Sumerian texts , not a specific race of beings.
How much did the people quoting the term study the work of Sitchin or indeed , other experts in Sumerian hieroglyphs and how much are they aware of cultural interconnectedness of the Old World that survives to this day ,
in the Sanskrit language and Vedas and Old Persian and whole array of cultural diversity of the East ?
How much are any of these 'talkers' studied in wider frame of historical perspective they like to quote and how much are they 'to fact' .

Reptilians are a story you can keep telling people as long as there is no proof on the plate about who your visitors are and scare children with it .

How new is it that people would feed themselves with every testosterone enhancing drug and plenty of other supplements , regardless their origin including human flesh , in order to achieve invincible super-human power ?

This whole 'cover story' seems to exist to explain behaviour of psychopaths who want to live in civilisation but can not tame their perversity ,
and their dreams are nothing else than that, part of their perversity . And I fear such is not treatable through feeding them more luxurious caviar and powder from rhino horn ,
it's just a dangerous trend involving much fear that people will lose all controls under circumstances ,
the most scared are those who have lost them .

[Mark]

Posted by Agape (here)
That's just sick . I wonder how such a video can stay on youtube . You know , I'm sorry if I won't repeat myself on this *same* topic today because I did already and the alternative media and so called 'witnesses' most quoted these days are full of the 'powerful draco conspiracy' ,mean and meaningless to any decent being .

Why do people quote the same nonsense , all the time , trying to sort out cutting-edge paradigms with IQ worth swinging wooden horse ?

I thought the same thing. This guy though, is not a witness. He claims to be a "Tall White", and states that most who call themselves "white" are not at all. Instead, they were created "out of Africa", as evidenced by Mitochondrial Eve. The "real" aliens are a small minority, in the low thousands, who are, really, incorporeal and inhabit human bodies that have been genetically determined in families that have done so for generations. In about video 50, the man who hosts "Rudolph" speaks, and his behavior and body movements are noticeably different. In effect, this body you see, is channeling an entity. Or so it seems. If he is playing, he is very good at it.

He says a lot of other things as well. In a long series of very short videos.

Posted by Agape (here)
Anunaki is only a name , human term signifying possibly 'Star Visitors', term popularised through and by Zacharia Sitchin who tried translating Sumerian texts , not a specific race of beings.
How much did the people quoting the term study the work of Sitchin or indeed , other experts in Sumerian hieroglyphs and how much are they aware of cultural interconnectedness of the Old World that survives to this day ,
in the Sanskrit language and Vedas and Old Persian and whole array of cultural diversity of the East ?
How much are any of these 'talkers' studied in wider frame of historical perspective they like to quote and how much are they 'to fact' .

I am very familiar with Sitchin's work as well as the resultant controversy. Rudolph does not mention the term Anunnaki once in his videos. Nor does he claim to be Anunnaki. He uses the phrase "Tall White" exclusively.

Posted by Agape (here)
Reptilians are a story you can keep telling people as long as there is no proof on the plate about who your visitors are and scare children with it .

I have no personal experience with such creatures and so cannot confirm or deny it. It is another of many Alt Community standards, which I am very familiar with as you are. I try not to make too many conclusive statements or judgments about these issues that I cannot confirm from personal experience. Difficult, yes, as there is so much out there and so many theories.

Posted by Agape (here)
How new is it that people would feed themselves with every testosterone enhancing drug and plenty of other supplements , regardless their origin including human flesh , in order to achieve invincible super-human power ?

Are you among those who see Transhumanism as the future of humanity? I've read you many times, but don't think we've ever interacted directly on these questions.

Posted by Agape (here)
This whole 'cover story' seems to exist to explain behaviour of psychopaths who want to live in civilisation but can not tame their perversity , and their dreams are nothing else than that, part of their perversity . And I fear such is not treatable through feeding them more luxurious caviar and powder from rhino horn , it's just a dangerous trend involving much fear that people will lose all controls under circumstances ,
the most scared are those who have lost them .

This, I agree with fully, as a very real concern. To me, this is the only real distinction in the human family. The psychopaths, wanna-be psychos (sociopaths) and the rest of us.

[rgray222]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
So animus directed at him particularly is misplaced in this discussion and I'd like to keep us on that topic specifically as I've already made clear earlier in this thread.

No particular enmity towards Obama, my displeasure with politicians runs the full spectrum. That said, my point was that Obama has a track record that speaks for itself.

Steve Bassett does not profess to have any special or inside knowledge that any type of disclosure is near. Wishful think on his behalf is not much to go on.

[Mark]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
So animus directed at him particularly is misplaced in this discussion and I'd like to keep us on that topic specifically as I've already made clear earlier in this thread.

No particular enmity towards Obama, my displeasure with politicians runs the full spectrum. That said, my point was that Obama has a track record that speaks for itself.

Steve Bassett does not profess to have any special or inside knowledge that any type of disclosure is near. Wishful think on his behalf is not much to go on.

Thank you. I love to talk about these larger issues, so distractions about the current POTUS as an individual just make me tired at this point and not wanting to conversate.

While the skeptic in me agrees with your underlying contention that this is probably bogus, a part of me wonders, as official movement on this topic in the United States seems to have been stalled at some point. These times feel important, the Shift and technological advancements, the oncoming Singularity and other indicators are continuing to compound and move our society forward. So at some point, there has to be further movement in the arena of Disclosure. I'd say, with no supporting evidence, sooner rather than later.

[ThePythonicCow]

I split seven posts off this thread to a separate thread: Split thread about Obama, from "Obama plans to reveal massive cache of UFO secrets".

[giovonni]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by giovonni (here)
I would expect a 'slip of disclosure' could be in the cards - Especially heading into his final days in office ... Perhaps after the election ... Note it would not necessarily compromise nor commit the new incoming administration of any responsibilities - But could even make the subject matter more palatable for seated government officials to acknowledge and further address and expand on in the possible near future ...

This is a reasonable theory. It doesn't even have to be much, or deep. Just more than we've had. And something indicating the seriousness of the topic, the REALITY of it. With the way this Administration has been going after Whistleblowers, it is interesting that they have NOT been going after the many who have come out speaking on certain types of programs and claiming that they have been vetted to speak on certain topics. And here, I'm speaking of those few who speak primarily of UFO-related topics and have validated roots in the military-industrial complex. Do you think that the near future holds something that might make Disclosure necessary?

Posted by giovonni (here)
The reality is - we've been getting a soft version of disclosure (via Hollywood and the Alternative Media) for a long while now ... And such a news item would facilitate in allowing for the ultimate 'attention deficit' diversion - For the final fleecing of what's left of America's wealth and world power significance.[/I]

So true, one of my favorite topics. Especially the most recent crop of shows, like "Under the Dome", "Extant" and others. I'm curious, why do you think that the PTsB put the truth out in these tv shows and movies?

Yes a good question ...

From my perspective - no matter what the true realty or consequences that 'real disclosure' might really encompass ... I would imagine no one government or aligned secret group entities has had a complete controlling hand in containing this worldwide UFO phenomena ... And obviously (to me) this is the way this phenomena has gradually unfolded over the last seven decades ... ... While allowing those in power to set up and benefit from such contact possibilities ... And most probably any info/leakage into the general public view was contained and handled through secret gov/agencies to be dealt with when required.

TPTB over this period of time - while overseeing the regulatory control with the emergence of the new media of television - along with radio programing - could directly influence the publications of UFO/scifi topic books/magazines, pop music and of course Hollywood movies ... This would facilitate and allow for the containment of the official perception and acceptance of this phenomena reality persona to the general public for as long as needed ... And one has to admit it has worked very well so far.

Now - one might wonder why such MSM controlled programing such as the History Channels - Ancient Aliens - is seemingly opening the floodgates to these possibilities - I can only speculate it's close to showtime folks ...

[Agape]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
That's just sick . I wonder how such a video can stay on youtube . You know , I'm sorry if I won't repeat myself on this *same* topic today because I did already and the alternative media and so called 'witnesses' most quoted these days are full of the 'powerful draco conspiracy' ,mean and meaningless to any decent being .

Why do people quote the same nonsense , all the time , trying to sort out cutting-edge paradigms with IQ worth swinging wooden horse ?

I thought the same thing. This guy though, is not a witness. He claims to be a "Tall White", and states that most who call themselves "white" are not at all. Instead, they were created "out of Africa", as evidenced by Mitochondrial Eve. The "real" aliens are a small minority, in the low thousands, who are, really, incorporeal and inhabit human bodies that have been genetically determined in families that have done so for generations. In about video 50, the man who hosts "Rudolph" speaks, and his behavior and body movements are noticeably different. In effect, this body you see, is channeling an entity. Or so it seems. If he is playing, he is very good at it.

He says a lot of other things as well. In a long series of very short videos.

I don't know if he's 'Tall White' , you know I'm researching this topic for many years now and authored my un-influenced report , or better say purely ET sourced report from Bodhgaya 2002 on the subject of ET origins of mankind, happy to provide you with reference links if you don't have them,
so being cautious here much as possible but he actually states some nonsense about the 'white race' ,
too close to the idea that is obsessing mankind for long yet . The way you describe it sounds almost plausible and fitting with my own testimony but it's not what he's saying .

Confessing I've not watched all those videos .. but as long as his supposed knowledge and deliberations seem to go, he's using lots n lots of information available from many open access sources ( human sources ) which is what thinking 'white man' would do but 'Tall White' ( ET ) won't .
I think I can appreciate the difficulty in what he thinks he's doing , pioneering an 'educational project' on behalf of the ETs , and I'm not sure you really want me to feel sorry for him or not ,
being dumb human .

I really don't want to be overly critical or anything of that sort but his mannerisms too seem just human to me .
The only excuse I can apply to this is that it's psychologically nearly impossible task for an ET to hijack human IT services - without using the human inter-face of course - and so perhaps there's someone in there who won't tell us about themselves a lot.

While defining 'white man' would be also nearly impossible task and I suspect that from many ancient cultures to the modern ones , 'skin tone' is usually part of a fad and fashion
and while the makings of 'privileged white men' oppressed and exploited many human cultures of past millennia in domineering quest for 'civilisation'
to this day .. any sort of 'original man' is perhaps a rare residue and the rest of our human society are already programmed and 'civilised' by the same 'pale face' ,

todays 'white man' is a programmable man . In fact most of the 'civilised culture' as we know it was created to fit the needs of man in needs of 'programming'.

It's unfortunately taken over most of the old original cultures, people , cost their lives and fates, sold them to alcohol and drugs and social nihilism and depression they never knew before .. and that's sort of 'known'.

Original human beings are very smart, entertaining , self-sufficient and thinking creatures .
That's how they served to entertain the 'white man' because he needs a program to be happy . Without a program he gets bored .
They really seem to be that way, unhappy without endless curriculums, programs , everything has to be prepared forwards, spontaneity scares them a lot .
They feel lost in nature and alien to every other type of human society and the other people are all here to serve them .
And if they do something that the locals do everyday they're great heroes of course .

I'll stop here before creating major faux pas

I am very familiar with Sitchin's work as well as the resultant controversy. Rudolph does not mention the term Anunnaki once in his videos. Nor does he claim to be Anunnaki. He uses the phrase "Tall White" exclusively.

I've just said so because how frequently is the term used in alternative media including what probably ought to be 'advanced research' reports ,
I used that as an example for many similar terms circling around in presumably 'attested categories' , making people believe in something/someone defined , a complex story that does not have real footing.

Of course I do wish that some 'ET remains' ( or DNA ) were recovered from under the pyramids or in ancient Babylon, in the Sumerian queen or one of the Egyptian pharaohs or else-where ..
so far it did not really happen but maybe one day . ..

Are you among those who see Transhumanism as the future of humanity? I've read you many times, but don't think we've ever interacted directly on these questions.

I'm not . I think that humans should understand about themselves better before considering 'upgrading' themselves to someone they're not.
There are of course , medical conditions and situations where technological or biological enhancement seems to be the only 'option' for people to achieve the life they deserve so they can't be really advised against such options .

If you ask about my 'ET view point' , the more and most advanced space races do not permit any sort of say gene-recombination or experimentation among themselves neither they'd do so to others .
It does not match their ethical standards .. and the list would go long here on what humans do or think want to do that does not match those standards
but humans - no matter what they really think of themselves - are considered 'civilisation in dire emergency ' so they're being looked upon as such,
without much judgement .

Toying with life in big way, even artificial life , never - ever plays well at the end .

If there are 'ETs' ( and their messengers ) who claim to be responsible for 'creation' of human race they're the 'perfect lie' people have been waiting for,
like orphan kids , waiting for their presumed 'parents' . It always feels good being someones kid ( or pet, in worse case ) but the truth about it is , the advanced spacefaring ET is in strongly advantageous parental role towards small, grounded human being ,
but .. they can't be 'honest friends' unless you grow up enough to be their good friend too .
If you ( rhetorical you of course ) miss omniscient Godhead , a Creator of your genome , parent , teacher or a spouse, in short .. till you miss your own intelligence and do not know yourself, are in fact unfamiliar with your self and not keen to be in charge of your-self , their intelligence will almost automatically supplicate and fill those categories for people , each of their own.


...

This, I agree with fully, as a very real concern. To me, this is the only real distinction in the human family. The psychopaths, wanna-be psychos (sociopaths) and the rest of us.

I wish - but wish it is - that humanity would survive . Because people are beautiful ..

but wish they would find way back to who they are and meant to be, in truth . Wish they were honest and subtle and have those old good manners
but not the programmed so called 'manners' instead and shy when appropriate instead just primed for aggression and arrogance and knowing would stop being a myth but things like wars and dictators would instead fall to oblivion

this type of human civilisation I wish for .. while it's almost gone extinct these days together with our survival instincts , common reasoning , respect to life and all else that no 'original man' would doubt in himself and the other ..
but todays 'civilised and educated' man does.

[Atlas]

Posted by rahkyt (here)
[...] april ryan asks press secretary josh earnest about the increased interest in roswell. [...] "i’ll just say, april, there are some questions that even the white house press secretary doesn’t have answers to, and this is one of them."

Source: Watch on Vimeo

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CQ3Q9fBMSL4

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
What would be the purpose of keeping people's hopes up, unless it was to somehow utilize this popular belief for their own purposes, at some point?

I think that's a Bingo!

Check. Perfect cover for the Nordics, otherwise known as Nazi International currently stashed on the dark side of the moon, Mars and potentially other locations, to return as world saviors, with non-souled Greys and human hybrids as working partners as Archon-controlled Reptilian Overlords look on?

Or something to that effect?

Sorry for the late reply - had to really think about it - the reasons are many, including what you surmised.

As some of us know, Obama was [allegedly] going to make some huge announcement about this years ago, around the time of his Nobel Prize. As legend would have it, he was apparently threatened (the Norway Spiral) by the Cabal and backed off.

My belief is this: if anyone is part of, or under the control of the "Cabal" then it's presently unlikely that any such announcement would implicate them in any way, or admit to the years of secrecy and atrocities committed to keep it secret, and I also believe it's directly connected to the Secret Space Program, what's really going on in Antarctica - and "below ground" shall we say? - true history of Nazi interference and influence, etc etc - which would open an even bigger can of worms. It would be their complete undoing.

Certainly any announcement by Clinton would be for her personal gain (not ours). Trump? Who knows... And Obama? Despite what may be his best intentions, if he wants to live a long time, I doubt it will be anything "unsafe". That Ace is likely to be played from elsewhere

The rumours have also been flowing for some months now about the Cabal infighting, and whether we get full or only part disclosure and that some kind of massive information dump was likely within the next few months, depending where you look.

Remember the line that Jack Nicholson uttered, in A Few Good Men?
(Listen to the rest of it in relationship to disclosure and imagine someone else saying it... a high up Cabal member maybe?)

"You can't handle the truth!"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk

The sudden dumping of ALL the disclosure info - even a portion of it - would throw the world into absolute chaos. As much as we would like to believe we're ready for the Truth, many are not.

The most we're likely to get in such a "massive cache" are a few more interesting unsolved sightings & encounters, (they probably number in the thousands), and perhaps an acknowledgement "they exist".

Yeah, well we already "know" that.

[Agape]

I am very familiar with Sitchin's work as well as the resultant controversy. Rudolph does not mention the term Anunnaki once in his videos. Nor does he claim to be Anunnaki. He uses the phrase "Tall White" exclusively.

I've read Charles James Hall Millennial Hospitality books about 2 years ago, all 5 of them and could not put them down really ( though number 5 is more less summary of the previous ) ,
...

and due to my personal and long lasting ET connections I was contemplating finding the place where he served and going to see them .

Why not. But then I took the maps out ( some of the most detailed weather and geography maps Charles Hall himself provides ) and the google maps and went to search where 'Dog Bone Lake' is and figured out it's actually within the Tonnopah range , close to the nuclear testing site so in fact , one of the most secure territories on the planet where they most likely , do not like trespassing

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=34fshvHGWBw

Speaking of 'Tall Whites' and if they have any sort of security agreement with the US government they'd most likely press on the non-disclosure button as long as possible , for their own safety .

It's not even clear to me if they're the same people our ancestors were , maybe just relatives .


I wonder if you had any personal experience with those or similar Beings in this lifetime ...?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
...Clinton has promised that if she is elected, her administration will release the information...

I wouldn't believe a word that woman says. The same promise was made back in the campaign days of Jimmy Carter...he fully intended to release all 'the secret UFO information' if he got into office.

[Mark]

Posted by giovonni (here)
From my perspective - no matter what the true realty or consequences that 'real disclosure' might really encompass ... I would imagine no one government or aligned secret group entities has had a complete controlling hand in containing this worldwide UFO phenomena ... And obviously (to me) this is the way this phenomena has gradually unfolded over the last seven decades ... ... While allowing those in power to set up and benefit from such contact possibilities ... And most probably any info/leakage into the general public view was contained and handled through secret gov/agencies to be dealt with when required.

While I've perused as much info as anybody about the makeup of the Cabal at the uppermost echelons, its ability to maintain a worldwide paradigm through a broad network of esoteric organizations still escapes me. The sheer scale of it and necessity for operation security boggles the mind. Outside of direct experience, it is still truly possible to disbelieve in the existence of advanced technology and non-terrestrial intelligences.

Posted by giovonni (here)
TPTB over this period of time - while overseeing the regulatory control with the emergence of the new media of television - along with radio programing - could directly influence the publications of UFO/scifi topic books/magazines, pop music and of course Hollywood movies ... This would facilitate and allow for the containment of the official perception and acceptance of this phenomena reality persona to the general public for as long as needed ... And one has to admit it has worked very well so far.

Now - one might wonder why such MSM controlled programing such as the History Channels - Ancient Aliens - is seemingly opening the floodgates to these possibilities - I can only speculate it's close to showtime folks ...

It is my understanding that they must tell the truth. That there is some higher directive at the ethical/spiritual level that all must abide by or risk consequences. It is allowed for them to include out and out lies and misdirections, but somewhere in the mix, there must be truth. We are each responsible for finding the truth. Those who lie as easily as breath are not responsible for our laziness in determining truth.

I get the same feeling, that we are close to something. As that is a relative measurement, "close" in this instance and to me, means within this lifetime and, even more specifically, within a span of 10 years.

[Mark]

Posted by Agape (here)
I don't know if he's 'Tall White' , you know I'm researching this topic for many years now and authored my un-influenced report , or better say purely ET sourced report from Bodhgaya 2002 on the subject of ET origins of mankind, happy to provide you with reference links if you don't have them,
so being cautious here much as possible but he actually states some nonsense about the 'white race' ,
too close to the idea that is obsessing mankind for long yet . The way you describe it sounds almost plausible and fitting with my own testimony but it's not what he's saying .

Well, I guess we have a different understanding, but he has repeated the idea numerous times over the span of the 60 videos that I've watched. That most who call themselves white are actually descended from Africans. While those, like him, who are Tall Whites, are extra-terrestrials. Is the human host of alien dna? The old, aristocratic German family that is related to Hitler? Or, is the entity Rudolph, who inhabits the bodies of the eldest son of this family, the alien? He has not yet made that clear.

Posted by Agape (here)
Confessing I've not watched all those videos .. but as long as his supposed knowledge and deliberations seem to go, he's using lots n lots of information available from many open access sources ( human sources ) which is what thinking 'white man' would do but 'Tall White' ( ET ) won't . I think I can appreciate the difficulty in what he thinks he's doing , pioneering an 'educational project' on behalf of the ETs , and I'm not sure you really want me to feel sorry for him or not , being dumb human .

It is an amazing series, to me. I have been watching it looking for inconsistencies. I'm surprised by his consistency. Also, some of his methods. He uses NLP, meditations and other methods and is seeking with these videos to move beyond the old racist categorizations of the Nazis. He has stated that the entity, Rudolph, has decided those methods are ineffective and he seeks to cultivate a multiracial group of initiates for some reason that is not yet clear to me.

Posted by Agape (here)
I really don't want to be overly critical or anything of that sort but his mannerisms too seem just human to me . The only excuse I can apply to this is that it's psychologically nearly impossible task for an ET to hijack human IT services - without using the human inter-face of course - and so perhaps there's someone in there who won't tell us about themselves a lot.

Yes. You have to watch the "lesson" where the host speaks. Note his unconscious mannerisms and body movements. After watching "Rudolph" for 50 videos, seeing the host speak and the difference between them is striking.

Posted by Agape (here)
While defining 'white man' would be also nearly impossible task and I suspect that from many ancient cultures to the modern ones , 'skin tone' is usually part of a fad and fashion and while the makings of 'privileged white men' oppressed and exploited many human cultures of past millennia in domineering quest for 'civilisation' to this day .. any sort of 'original man' is perhaps a rare residue and the rest of our human society are already programmed and 'civilised' by the same 'pale face' ,todays 'white man' is a programmable man . In fact most of the 'civilised culture' as we know it was created to fit the needs of man in needs of 'programming'.

What we call "white" today and what we understand as the "white race" is a social construct that began here, in the United States in the late 1600s early 1700s to differentiate the Irish from the Blacks, with whom they had found common cause and were begin to rebel against the landowners and southern aristocracy. The Irish and others now considered white were given land and power, were hired as overseers and conscripted to the "slave patrols" to control the enslaved black populations. This is the first iteration of the "white race" known on this planet. Before then, different ethnicities were often considered to be different racial groups by Europeans.

Posted by Agape (here)
Original human beings are very smart, entertaining , self-sufficient and thinking creatures . That's how they served to entertain the 'white man' because he needs a program to be happy . Without a program he gets bored . They really seem to be that way, unhappy without endless curriculums, programs , everything has to be prepared forwards, spontaneity scares them a lot . They feel lost in nature and alien to every other type of human society and the other people are all here to serve them . And if they do something that the locals do everyday they're great heroes of course .

I'll stop here before creating major faux pas

You said quite a lot here. Thank you for that. I'm sure a lot of it hits the mark.

Posted by Agape (here)
I'm not . I think that humans should understand about themselves better before considering 'upgrading' themselves to someone they're not. There are of course , medical conditions and situations where technological or biological enhancement seems to be the only 'option' for people to achieve the life they deserve so they can't be really advised against such options .

If you ask about my 'ET view point' , the more and most advanced space races do not permit any sort of say gene-recombination or experimentation among themselves neither they'd do so to others . It does not match their ethical standards .. and the list would go long here on what humans do or think want to do that does not match those standards but humans - no matter what they really think of themselves - are considered 'civilisation in dire emergency ' so they're being looked upon as such, without much judgement .

Thank you for that perspective. It makes sense for these races to want to retain their essential beingness. Have you read alien mind by George Lubuono? This link is to the pdf. He claims direct experience and speaks on some very interesting topics. Human capacity is underrated by most humans. We are capable of so much more than we believe. These bodies are, as are the limitless spirits and souls within them. Our limitations are only caused by a lack of experience and understanding. Even space travel is not beyond us, individually and collectively, without space ships.

Posted by Agape (here)
If there are 'ETs' ( and their messengers ) who claim to be responsible for 'creation' of human race they're the 'perfect lie' people have been waiting for, like orphan kids , waiting for their presumed 'parents' . It always feels good being someones kid ( or pet, in worse case ) but the truth about it is , the advanced spacefaring ET is in strongly advantageous parental role towards small, grounded human being , but .. they can't be 'honest friends' unless you grow up enough to be their good friend too . If you ( rhetorical you of course ) miss omniscient Godhead , a Creator of your genome , parent , teacher or a spouse, in short .. till you miss your own intelligence and do not know yourself, are in fact unfamiliar with your self and not keen to be in charge of your-self , their intelligence will almost automatically supplicate and fill those categories for people , each of their own.

You sound like George. He is writing a sequel, which will be complete in another few months. Spirit is mandatory and, apparently, understood throughout the rest of the universe. Our issues of polarity, of extreme materiality, are a drag on our evolution as a species it seems. Well said.

Posted by Agape (here)
I wish - but wish it is - that humanity would survive . Because people are beautiful ..

but wish they would find way back to who they are and meant to be, in truth . Wish they were honest and subtle and have those old good manners but not the programmed so called 'manners' instead and shy when appropriate instead just primed for aggression and arrogance and knowing would stop being a myth but things like wars and dictators would instead fall to oblivion

this type of human civilisation I wish for .. while it's almost gone extinct these days together with our survival instincts , common reasoning , respect to life and all else that no 'original man' would doubt in himself and the other ..
but todays 'civilised and educated' man does.

Just lovely. Thank you so much. Many of us try to embody this way of being, and also wish for the same.

[Basho]

Learned a lot from reading the posts on this thread, especially the last 2 posts. So thank you rahkyt!

Gonna enjoy watching the rest of the Rudolph vids & reading the George Lubuono PDF this weekend

[Carmody]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
So animus directed at him particularly is misplaced in this discussion and I'd like to keep us on that topic specifically as I've already made clear earlier in this thread.

No particular enmity towards Obama, my displeasure with politicians runs the full spectrum. That said, my point was that Obama has a track record that speaks for itself.

Steve Bassett does not profess to have any special or inside knowledge that any type of disclosure is near. Wishful think on his behalf is not much to go on.

Thank you. I love to talk about these larger issues, so distractions about the current POTUS as an individual just make me tired at this point and not wanting to conversate.

While the skeptic in me agrees with your underlying contention that this is probably bogus, a part of me wonders, as official movement on this topic in the United States seems to have been stalled at some point. These times feel important, the Shift and technological advancements, the oncoming Singularity and other indicators are continuing to compound and move our society forward. So at some point, there has to be further movement in the arena of Disclosure. I'd say, with no supporting evidence, sooner rather than later.

Well, if they do not reveal... and the reveal comes regardless, they are looking at total annihilation if they do not reveal ---first.

The difference between admittance and damage control vs being caught out.

In this case it verges on being an annihilation that goes right to to their genetic capacity to reproduce.

The rage of the public will have no bounds, nay... it will be driven.... in a way that is, for all intent and purpose, unfathomable.

for example, even the idea of looking out a window, at the sidewalk and the grass, that entire scenario is totally out of kilter, it is all a lie, a lie of unimaginable twisting. Everyone you know who has died, or lived, in all of the past 70 years, minimum, all of it is a lie.

Their lives, their hopes, their fortunes, their deaths, their pains, the careers, the deaths, the cares and concerns, all of it a giant stinking twisted LIE. The condition of the world, as you know it, right now, all of it is an unnecessary lie.

For..if people understand that everything is wrong, all of it, all of it is twisted..... Their very idea of being alive and intelligence, futures...is twisted beyond belief, beyond their very innate capacity to comprehend. To wake up and find you are a manipulated short lived RETARD.

That this encompasses the entire planet and all of it's facets both grandiose and micro, all directions, environment, radiation, pollution, mass extinctions....the whole thing in all possible ways.

All because of this alien secrecy.

Think about the kind of rage that will engender. There is not even a human capacity to express or relate the level of rage. It is totally out of all bounds.

[Agape]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
I don't know if he's 'Tall White' , you know I'm researching this topic for many years now and authored my un-influenced report , or better say purely ET sourced report from Bodhgaya 2002 on the subject of ET origins of mankind, happy to provide you with reference links if you don't have them,
so being cautious here much as possible but he actually states some nonsense about the 'white race' ,
too close to the idea that is obsessing mankind for long yet . The way you describe it sounds almost plausible and fitting with my own testimony but it's not what he's saying .

Well, I guess we have a different understanding, but he has repeated the idea numerous times over the span of the 60 videos that I've read. That most who call themselves white are actually descended from Africans. While those, like him, who are Tall Whites, are extra-terrestrials. Is the human host of alien dna? The old, aristocratic German family that is related to Hitler? Or, is the entity Rudolph, who inhabits the bodies of the eldest son of this family, the alien? He has not yet made that clear.

I can only explain this to you from 'deep within' my life experience , physical, physiological, psychological, central European , Tibetan and Indian , extraterrestrial visitor above them all .
And where things do get some 'justice' and when they don't.

I've received my share of deep knowledge because I went searching for it, physically too .. I went for that long journey to Himalayas many times decided never to come back till I know .
I did find and follow some of my teachers there and still do but not the 'white mans teachers' . I did not get my share of knowledge and encounter 'for free' or just copying it and dreaming i'm someone important.
I hate to say those things but it's true. I walked the path on my own , perhaps the last years when finding the authentic seers of old was somehow possible .

I'll have to skip over a lot right now otherwise we would get drawn in much human chatter and there are others here to have their say .
You can always read about what I saw in Bodhgaya 2002

And somehow , I was rewarded , from those I never expected , called for or worshipped . Those I could only 'sense' before to be me and with me but I mean in spirit , not in this 'human flesh' .
So I saw where the truth is , and how complicated it is , globally and how much do we really know , on the bottom line when we are in our own natural environment - time space and the same reality being quite well defined , corporeal as well .

Technically , you could probably describe the same phenomenon as 'walk-in' though I don't think it's completely fitting its purpose here .
( for me , a 'walk-in' would be someone 'walking in' or taking conscious possession of human body for period of time then 'walking out' ) . From the ET perspective we're probably just that . From human perspective, we're 'born-ins' .
There're terms specific to certain Tibetan tantras ( the Guhyasamaja tantra , for example that I've studied ) that describe the same phenomenon as 'illusory body' and there are many types of them , for starters.
The 'illusory body of the training path' differs from 'the illusory body of attainment' , and there are 'impure illusory body' and 'pure illusory body' and that's from the bottom-up human perspective,

similarly , where the process of 'born-ins' or what we could vaguely translate as 'incarnations' of various entities ( ETs in this case ) to human body/realm ,
there are also many levels and varieties of such .

There's common misconception about Tibetan term 'tulku' ( tul- meaning illusion and -ku meaning body ) signifying 'buddha incarnates' but it was explained countless times to us during personal teachings this is really mistranslation and misinterpretation of facts .

I won't have time or even the courage to go to the depth of teachings found in the Guhyasamaja and other tantras dealing with the topic but for the sake of the topic here ,

it would take hours really of knowing 'Rudolf' personally to decide who is he .

One thing I can clear with certainty .. no matter what your family claims you for, it's 'not in the genes' .
My own mum was unfortunately to genetics among else and all those 'correct methods' when they were still in real diapers ( and me too ) and she spent half of her life disputing me because how I was different .
Without doubt , the tale goes you choose the 'human host' , more likely the mother and father or even the baby , the 'life' .

As an entity though you have nothing to do with the way how the human body works and what it does but living sort of parallel existence , you merge, mentally and physically as well .

Even if you have human body ( like a set of cloth ) you still know you are not a human body . You know that naturally , without anyone having to tell you and more likely , it spoils part of your human existence as well because there's always struggle other people won't have a feeling for .
You can only wish that science invents an apparatus that would be able to show people 'someone is in'.
But .. you don't wish that to happen before the same science achieves unbiased wisdom.

The 'human likeness' sometimes gives out an impression that it's somehow essential to being 'you' . The human being wants to connect to at least some of its human kins and minds naturally and in gist, there's always only one you .
E.T.s can mimic humans to some ends but it's much more complicated for human being to mimic the more subtle and advanced ET though both was probably tried many times ,

the real problem I've encountered with explaining the ET data I received - for example - is mixing of human and ET information field - the kind of thing Rudolf tries to do - leads inevitably to much confusion and nonsense .

I understand he may be trying to 'break through' his human psyche and programming through all the NLP and meditation methods and all you have but if he needs those methods ..
the stakes are high he's not 'there' . These methods are fun and mostly useful for human beings to understand themselves better but they rarely if at all apply to any ET mind,
if only for the fact they're 'evolved with and for humans'.

But I'm still willing to watch somewhere ( seen video no 50 ) , that did not convince me a lot ( most of my good friends can do that ) ,
he's 'being himself' .

Me being myself .. can look and sound very funny but the way humans would play it out would be still infinitely, more entertaining . To themselves of course ..

more later times

Who can surpass the manners ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rOrDCpAv-sM

THANKS TO YOU

[T Smith]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
...Clinton has promised that if she is elected, her administration will release the information...

I wouldn't believe a word that woman says. The same promise was made back in the campaign days of Jimmy Carter...he fully intended to release all 'the secret UFO information' if he got into office.

Then he was debriefed, and, reportedly (from whatever it was he learned), put his head down on his desk in and wept...

[Mark]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
As some of us know, Obama was [allegedly] going to make some huge announcement about this years ago, around the time of his Nobel Prize. As legend would have it, he was apparently threatened (the Norway Spiral) by the Cabal and backed off.

Now that you mention it I recall that, I had forgotten.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
My belief is this: if anyone is part of, or under the control of the "Cabal" then it's presently unlikely that any such announcement would implicate them in any way, or admit to the years of secrecy and atrocities committed to keep it secret, and I also believe it's directly connected to the Secret Space Program, what's really going on in Antarctica - and "below ground" shall we say? - true history of Nazi interference and influence, etc etc - which would open an even bigger can of worms. It would be their complete undoing.

Below ground? Inner Earth Agartha? Where Nazi International is supposedly holed up? Where the Ubermensch that Hitler met came from? Of whom he was afraid? That "bigger can of worms" is the biggest. What would this nation and the world do if they realized so much of their, our, money, had been spent to build a technological civilization that we are receiving only the barest and belated benefit from? That they, now generations into the experiment, don't even feel like they are of us, or owe us any largess from that provided by the planet, to their advancement?

I don't know if it would be their undoing. It is always the bane of evil men to believe that others would do to them as they have done. People in general and the world, are pretty forgiving. If they would SHARE, and create the world that should exist in the here and now, the world might be content.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Certainly any announcement by Clinton would be for her personal gain (not ours). Trump? Who knows... And Obama? Despite what may be his best intentions, if he wants to live a long time, I doubt it will be anything "unsafe". That Ace is likely to be played from elsewhere

The rumours have also been flowing for some months now about the Cabal infighting, and whether we get full or only part disclosure and that some kind of massive information dump was likely within the next few months, depending where you look.

And that is all that I'm talking about right there. It seems to me that it is just time, the way things are moving currently. Whether Obama releases sanitized and old experiencer files or even only NASA documents and videos of what they've seen out there in Earth's near-space, it would move the narrative along nicely. This stall that seems to be never-ending must end, soon. It cannot remain the way it currently is, with little news and millions of people knowing something is going on because they've seen it with their own eyes, and no word from official sources outside of the unofficial releases in the entertainment media and through fallible whistleblowers.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
The sudden dumping of ALL the disclosure info - even a portion of it - would throw the world into absolute chaos. As much as we would like to believe we're ready for the Truth, many are not.

The most we're likely to get in such a "massive cache" are a few more interesting unsolved sightings & encounters, (they probably number in the thousands), and perhaps an acknowledgement "they exist".

Yeah, well we already "know" that.

OK, I've heard that before as well and am not sure I believe it. That the world is not ready, that is. People get used to things really fast and really easy. The strangest and most uncomfortable of living situations. Of realities. Look at our modern society, even though we've spent generations getting used to this unnatural way of living, if you look at Amazonian or south Indian civilizations that are being overrun my technological civilization, they get used to it pretty quickly.

An acknowledgement that "they exist" would send us to the next level. Seriously. Because, then, people who are already experiencers would redouble their efforts and be supported, validated. And the flow of information, like Spice, must flow.

[Mark]

Posted by Basho (here)
Learned a lot from reading the posts on this thread, especially the last 2 posts. So thank you rahkyt!

Gonna enjoy watching the rest of the Rudolph vids & reading the George Lubuono PDF this weekend

Thank you so much for commenting. Please share your thoughts, after you read the PDF and watch some of the videos. At first, I was a bit put of by Rudolph, but when I saw where he was coming from, I went forward as I was then intrigued. He uses pedestrian means to attempt to pull people in psychically and emotionally, but he states some things, I think, that are worth hearing. I would not advise you to do the meditations unless you feel drawn to do so.

The book is so good I read it in about 4 hours! Excelsior!