Our Experience With Simon Parkes as a contactee (split from "Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor" thread)

[greybeard]

With respect I am severely dyslexic, Winston Churchill was dyslexic, he ran the country through a most difficult, stressful, period, many are dyslexic but function well in the world
I have never heard that this confers other dimensional abilities.

If Simon wishes he can post anything he wants on the forum, he is free to do so.
He can speak for himself, don't think there is any need to make assumptions as to why he is as he is.
That is not a judgment.
We are all as we are and equal.

All have the Creator within to the best of my understanding.

The only challenge I have is Simon promoting fear of going into the light when we leave the body.
Thats how some religions control and put the fear of God into people.
We have enough to contend with in the here and now without having to worry about going or not going into the light.

Also my belief is that there is only One (soul) which is what we truly are.-, part of that being that the soul can not be divided or split in any way.
Fair enough thats my personal belief, people are entitled to believe what they want--I just hope its a life supporting positive one that serves them well in this life--then see what happens.

Chris

[onawah]

That is a different discussion.
But as has been stated before, it is not going to the Light that Simon and others have warned about, it is going to the FALSE light which is designed to deceive souls into thinking they are returning to Source when in fact they are being pulled right back into the reincarnation loop.
I suspect that our Moon is the home of the advanced technology the Reptilians have been using to help keep this a prison planet, and why Gurdjieff warned about becoming "food for the Moon", and Castenada's teacher Don Juan warned metaphorically about the great Eagle that devours souls who are not conscious enough to escape its clutches.
Also why the Moon has been largely kept off limits to us, and why what is on the dark side has been kept secret, though it seems clear that the Moon is hollow, so whatever is most secret there is no doubt underground.
If we return to the true Source, as I understand it, we can choose whether to reincarnate or not, but if we fall for the deception, our choices are much reduced.
I don't think that fear can be created in people unless they have left themselves open to it or are simply refusing to look at something that needs looking at.
Warning people about a danger falls under a very different category.

[Agape]

Posted by onawah (here)

Thank you for your long and thoughtful post, Eva.

Thanks for yours Natalie. I know we are missing terms ( humanly and universally ) on many 'items' discussed here and many terms are misnomers as I'll try to explain from my perspective further
but I'm overjoyed at you being able to make good sense of the information .

And coming into even a slightest agreement here is a small miracle - from the 'insiders' ( or even researchers ) perspective , not so much from the 'believers' or even linguists perspective .
Believers are bound to jump from one theory bandwagon to another and those theories will change .
Linguists too will argue about terms eternally ..

From the 'truth seeker' ( research ) perspective it remains important whether something can be better understood and clarified or not.

I would like to say about the above quote (and perhaps you've missed it in former posts) but I have often questioned why anyone would accept things that Simon says (myself included) because we know very little about the Mantids except that (according to various sources and Simon included) they have been in a very long relationship with the Dracos and have been assisting them in abductions.

Well, one thing I can tell you about 'them' is that they're not any closer to an insect than you are . They're simply very subtle and that's how some ancient and modern human abducteee or contactee people came to describing them as such .

Relationship with Dracos is a Myth . We all hold diplomatic agreements with other civilisations , that's correct but in some cases it represents simply a peace .

The 'bad races' people so often quote and are afraid of , visited here in dim and past history of mankind when human tribes were in very primitive state of civilisation and consciousness - at least seemingly to the onlooker .
And so the story goes they've established temporary colony here and made some use of human slave labour and used some human specimen for genetic experiments.

[ terrible enough, it's probably all they did in reality ]

Later on and once this planet was discovered as inhabited by the group of various , benevolent civilisations [ reality check : 2 or 3 and none are here much and often ]
they were driven away, naturally .
The logic of why is really knowledge based . Once it was determinable that human beings are possessed of consciousness , higher cognition and prospectively a 'soul' though in the days of old few knew whence these humans really originated
[ and some visitors therefor, liked to claim them their 'own creation' which is a straight lie ]
by the power of treaties respected universally among advanced civilisations it was not permissible to use them to anyones advantage.

I have never held the opinion that Simon represents the best of the Reptilian, Mantid and Human races, nor have I thought that he's central to our understanding of the Universe, though he has a piece to share.

I think I was being both rhetorical and affirmative . Rhetorical in ''representing the best of both worlds'' ( it's how your parents do look at you usually, like it or leave it ) and affirmative in saying that his presence is rare,
but there are others . And we're all treated mostly , as 'the only ones' for some reason.

[ now, this ay not a parliament else they'd whistle me out ]

It's very important to note that the part of the Reptilian race (Annunaki) that he claims to descend from is not a positively oriented race (there are reportedly Reptilian races which are positively oriented, but the Annunaki are not one of them).

Annunaki only means 'Star Visitors' in Summerian . I'm just trying to clarify some terms here if allowed .
'Reptilian' too is really a misnomer . I know of advanced races who are oviparous and can shape shift ,
it does not make them 'reptilian' of any sort . They're of the 'second generation wave' from the 'space cradles' point of view,
the first wave gave birth mostly to immortals, humanoids, including the predecessors of human race.

They're still very advanced but have complicated evolution time-line - guess one reason why they remind you of reptiles .

I could go for a while with the definitions and boasting of their qualities but it's not the meaning here,
they are still all quite benevolent .

The myth of 'evil' that runs along their history has , at least partially, to do with genetic experiments they were 'very advanced' in , considering themselves nearly a 'master race' .
The projects they ran resulted in creating many chimeras , various new kinds of animals, plants , and some 'mishaps' - frankensteinian creatures came to existence too .
Historically, I'd not find too surprising if the age of the dinosaurs on Earth was somehow, associated with them .
But they're too far to visit here often so who knows .

Most of it really is memories, reliving the 'myth'. They're not here now or the latest thousands years of history .

Simon reports that the Mantids are hoping to "piggy back" with the human race while we attempt to make a leap in our evolution, and that they will become great allies.

I think , if I can get you correctly , we all do the same thing and yes , we're all meant to be great allies in future . It just may take time till we get there ..

[ except for us here ]

Perhaps, but in the meantime, as I have asked before: how do we know if they are trustworthy, given their alliance with the Dracos and their reported dependence on humanity for a "ride"?

The law is .. any entity or civilisation are truthworthy depending on their cognition and understanding capacity and unless they're proven guilty .
It means , you are only as truthworthy as you can understand and unless you commit an offence you can't be called a 'suspect' .

The true problem as of now really is with human recognition and definition capacity and how to initiate contact that would be of adequate , not to say equal value to both sides of the dialogue .
So far, any good definitions are missing . We are on the thin-thin edge of civilisation from where such communication could be initiated.

Till then the 'psycho-maths' ( short for trying to compute their psychology ) is virtually between many unknowns . The only 'knowns' you can supply to here are of 'human value' .
So in turn we are at speculation of the wildest calibre because even your physicists did not do the maths yet.

And if they are allies, what are they doing to assist and if so, why not more actively and openly?

That's a very good question, thanks Natalie. Think of the distances . The 'physical power' anyone from outside can afford to vest here without some sort of grim consequence anyway.
Secondly, most of the advanced beings are subtle compared to human density , physicality and even psyche as of the moment .
They find the Earth incredibly beautiful but very hard to live on. Most can not actually live here without some kind of technical adjustment ( own environ ).
The human body I suppose too serves as type of vessel , container , suit .

Even from within the body the ET being , and his/her intelligence can't make it much different than it is - it does copy certain information but not most or all of it .
It's like .. driving a very old, slow car model

It's somewhat adjustable but nowhere close to where you are really . And, God forbid it sees a girl with flying skirts ... ( now I'm joking and not of me or Simon , I don't know him that well to say ).


Back to your question , there's almost 'eternal' 'council' being held on that has to do with the current situation of mankind and how to alleviate it or assist for the best .
For long now I've believed there's open contact scenario inevitable and on plan as well but it would be against you if there's too much chaos , xenophobia and wars going on down here .
It would only polarise the extremes , even further . So unless there's peace and major improvement in what we see as humanitarian crisis on earth ,
the stress will continue to be on the 'benevolence' rather than on the 'visibility'.

Simon has said very little about the branch of the human race from the Inner Earth that he is aligned with, though he has said that he is taking the part of the entire human race in the battle for sovereignty.
(I think the latter may be true, but I also think he is probably being influenced by all three races more than he realizes, which can only put a different slant on his position, whether he realizes it or not.)
That group of Inner Earth humans may be more technologically advanced than we are, but we know very little about them otherwise (by their own choice), and as to whether Simon represents the best part of them, I have no idea and have never assumed that (though perhaps Simon has; I have avoided contradicting him as that has proven to be generally counterproductive to further discussion).

Inner Earth is but a shadowy dimension to your reality . You're there in your thoughts , dreams, work and art and meditation ..

if you think of it globally, it's naturally more advanced than what we have and can see in the 3D human reality , for the most of it .
It's long lived but equally vulnerable . Even this 'advanced earth' dimension is being affected and endangered by destruction of the natural environment here, living space, by human activity ,
overproduction , noise and minds .

It means we have to secure 'one earth' .

All these things I have expressed before on the forum.
I think people have misunderstood my position because I have tried to be as courteous as possible and neutral when dealing with Simon's info, especially when he was actively taking part with our discussions on Avalon, as I think is due to any whistleblower who shares with us here, and is the best way to draw them out.
So no offense, Eva, but my personal views don't match the conclusions you have drawn, but I thank you again for your post and your contributions to the conversation.

And I for one appreciate your courtesy and good stand with the topic .

I'm treading lightly here .. walking on eggshells , at least for now and till we all can find more sense and comfort with the subject and each other .
Other than that I'm happy to be even of little help.


Thanks again Natalie

[Agape]

Posted by greybeard (here)
With respect I am severely dyslexic, Winston Churchill was dyslexic, he ran the country through a most difficult, stressful, period, many are dyslexic but function well in the world
I have never heard that this confers other dimensional abilities.

If Simon wishes he can post anything he wants on the forum, he is free to do so.
He can speak for himself, don't think there is any need to make assumptions as to why he is as he is.
That is not a judgment.
We are all as we are and equal.

All have the Creator within to the best of my understanding.

The only challenge I have is Simon promoting fear of going into the light when we leave the body.
Thats how some religions control and put the fear of God into people.
We have enough to contend with in the here and now without having to worry about going or not going into the light.

Also my belief is that there is only One (soul) which is what we truly are.-, part of that being that the soul can not be divided or split in any way.
Fair enough thats my personal belief, people are entitled to believe what they want--I just hope its a life supporting positive one that serves them well in this life--then see what happens.

Chris

This is one reason why i am nervous about here . I thought [ each time ] , people would be interested to discuss information.
Concerning ET races and their knowledge in this case .. which is sort of technical endeavour from those involved

but the opposite seems to be more less true .. it ends up being 'about Simon' here or any other 'human personality' .

It's not my meaning . I bet sure it isn't his . This isn't some kind of human competition [ for the Eyes Who See ]

I am just mentioning it in context - not a direct reply to your comment , Chris.



Of my own .. I rarely start a thread , unless I feel the immediate impulse .


All deserve their comfort zone and peace

[onawah]

This discussion has strayed far from the original topic, which is OK with me, but I'm not sure how the OPs feel about it or the Mods.
In any case, I'm responding here to Eva's post with bold letters in italics.

Posted by Agape (here)

Well, one thing I can tell you about 'them' is that they're not any closer to an insect than you are . They're simply very subtle and that's how some ancient and modern human abducteee or contactee people came to describing them as such .

Relationship with Dracos is a Myth . We all hold diplomatic agreements with other civilisations , that's correct but in some cases it represents simply a peace .

It seemed clear to me (perhaps not to others though) from the first that the term "mantid" was being used as a descriptive term only, re the appearance of that race, and not because they are in any way related to insects.
As to whether they have a relationship with the Reptilians, of course, I have no direct knowledge.
I have been referencing information from Simon and abductees who have said that the Mantids were present and participated in the abductions, and there have been quite a lot of those testimonies, apparently.
Simon claims that a lot of Mantids have now incarnated as humans, which I believe was one reason why he created Connecting Consciousness, as a venue through which they can work together.

The 'bad races' people so often quote and are afraid of , visited here in dim and past history of mankind when human tribes were in very primitive state of civilisation and consciousness - at least seemingly to the onlooker .
And so the story goes they've established temporary colony here and made some use of human slave labour and used some human specimen for genetic experiments.

[ terrible enough, it's probably all they did in reality ]

Later on and once this planet was discovered as inhabited by the group of various , benevolent civilisations [ reality check : 2 or 3 and none are here much and often ]
they were driven away, naturally .
The logic of why is really knowledge based . Once it was determinable that human beings are possessed of consciousness , higher cognition and prospectively a 'soul' though in the days of old few knew whence these humans really originated
[ and some visitors therefor, liked to claim them their 'own creation' which is a straight lie ]
by the power of treaties respected universally among advanced civilisations it was not permissible to use them to anyones advantage.

I'm not sure what you are basing your statements on, but I think it's a subject for other discussions.
It seems clear though that now there are lots of ET races visiting us, and that the negative influences and effects of the earlier visits have been far reaching and long lasting, and need correcting soon. Not to mention the AI and archonic influences...

I have never held the opinion that Simon represents the best of the Reptilian, Mantid and Human races, nor have I thought that he's central to our understanding of the Universe, though he has a piece to share.

I think I was being both rhetorical and affirmative . Rhetorical in ''representing the best of both worlds'' ( it's how your parents do look at you usually, like it or leave it ) and affirmative in saying that his presence is rare,
but there are others . And we're all treated mostly , as 'the only ones' for some reason.

[ now, this ay not a parliament else they'd whistle me out ]

I think each contactee or whistleblower has to be treated individually, as each case is different, and those in the alternative community still don't have enough familiarity as yet with the phenomena we are dealing with to have a broad enough base of information to treat them in any other way.

It's very important to note that the part of the Reptilian race (Annunaki) that he claims to descend from is not a positively oriented race (there are reportedly Reptilian races which are positively oriented, but the Annunaki are not one of them).

Annunaki only means 'Star Visitors' in Summerian . I'm just trying to clarify some terms here if allowed .
'Reptilian' too is really a misnomer . I know of advanced races who are oviparous and can shape shift ,
it does not make them 'reptilian' of any sort . They're of the 'second generation wave' from the 'space cradles' point of view,
the first wave gave birth mostly to immortals, humanoids, including the predecessors of human race.

They're still very advanced but have complicated evolution time-line - guess one reason why they remind you of reptiles .

I could go for a while with the definitions and boasting of their qualities but it's not the meaning here,
they are still all quite benevolent .

The myth of 'evil' that runs along their history has , at least partially, to do with genetic experiments they were 'very advanced' in , considering themselves nearly a 'master race' .
The projects they ran resulted in creating many chimeras , various new kinds of animals, plants , and some 'mishaps' - frankensteinian creatures came to existence too .
Historically, I'd not find too surprising if the age of the dinosaurs on Earth was somehow, associated with them .
But they're too far to visit here often so who knows .

Most of it really is memories, reliving the 'myth'. They're not here now or the latest thousands years of history .

That is also too off-topic, I think, to include in this thread. But I always thought that the Reptilian races were described in that way because they operate mostly from what we call the reptilian brain, meaning aggressive, without emotion, competitive, patriarchal, etc. .

Simon reports that the Mantids are hoping to "piggy back" with the human race while we attempt to make a leap in our evolution, and that they will become great allies.

I think , if I can get you correctly , we all do the same thing and yes , we're all meant to be great allies in future . It just may take time till we get there ..

[ except for us here ]

Hopefully!

Perhaps, but in the meantime, as I have asked before: how do we know if they are trustworthy, given their alliance with the Dracos and their reported dependence on humanity for a "ride"?

The law is .. any entity or civilisation are truthworthy depending on their cognition and understanding capacity and unless they're proven guilty .
It means , you are only as truthworthy as you can understand and unless you commit an offence you can't be called a 'suspect' .

The true problem as of now really is with human recognition and definition capacity and how to initiate contact that would be of adequate , not to say equal value to both sides of the dialogue .
So far, any good definitions are missing . We are on the thin-thin edge of civilisation from where such communication could be initiated.

Till then the 'psycho-maths' ( short for trying to compute their psychology ) is virtually between many unknowns . The only 'knowns' you can supply to here are of 'human value' .
So in turn we are at speculation of the wildest calibre because even your physicists did not do the maths yet.

And if they are allies, what are they doing to assist and if so, why not more actively and openly?

That's a very good question, thanks Natalie. Think of the distances . The 'physical power' anyone from outside can afford to vest here without some sort of grim consequence anyway.
Secondly, most of the advanced beings are subtle compared to human density , physicality and even psyche as of the moment .
They find the Earth incredibly beautiful but very hard to live on. Most can not actually live here without some kind of technical adjustment ( own environ ).
The human body I suppose too serves as type of vessel , container , suit .

Even from within the body the ET being , and his/her intelligence can't make it much different than it is - it does copy certain information but not most or all of it .
It's like .. driving a very old, slow car model

It's somewhat adjustable but nowhere close to where you are really . And, God forbid it sees a girl with flying skirts ... ( now I'm joking and not of me or Simon , I don't know him that well to say ).

I have met people who I'm sure are newly here, and from other ET civilizations. (Also some hybrids.)
It was clear that they were having trouble adjusting to our planet, not to mention our "culture", such as it is, and understandably so, even though they were born here in human bodies.
So it would logically have to be much more difficult for ETs to be here in their ET bodies, unless they created their own, encapsulated environments, and we have been told they have done so, in bases underground, inside of mountains, etc. which seems quite likely.

Back to your question , there's almost 'eternal' 'council' being held on that has to do with the current situation of mankind and how to alleviate it or assist for the best .
For long now I've believed there's open contact scenario inevitable and on plan as well but it would be against you if there's too much chaos , xenophobia and wars going on down here .

I can't imagine that could cause worse problems than what we are already seeing, and what we are seeing will only get worse without intervention. So it seems to me like it's six of one and half dozen of the other.

It would only polarise the extremes , even further . So unless there's peace and major improvement in what we see as humanitarian crisis on earth ,
the stress will continue to be on the 'benevolence' rather than on the 'visibility'.

Simon has said very little about the branch of the human race from the Inner Earth that he is aligned with, though he has said that he is taking the part of the entire human race in the battle for sovereignty.
(I think the latter may be true, but I also think he is probably being influenced by all three races more than he realizes, which can only put a different slant on his position, whether he realizes it or not.)
That group of Inner Earth humans may be more technologically advanced than we are, but we know very little about them otherwise (by their own choice), and as to whether Simon represents the best part of them, I have no idea and have never assumed that (though perhaps Simon has; I have avoided contradicting him as that has proven to be generally counterproductive to further discussion).

Inner Earth is but a shadowy dimension to your reality . You're there in your thoughts , dreams, work and art and meditation ..

if you think of it globally, it's naturally more advanced than what we have and can see in the 3D human reality , for the most of it .
It's long lived but equally vulnerable . Even this 'advanced earth' dimension is being affected and endangered by destruction of the natural environment here, living space, by human activity ,
overproduction , noise and minds .

It means we have to secure 'one earth' .

That certainly makes sense.

All these things I have expressed before on the forum.
I think people have misunderstood my position because I have tried to be as courteous as possible and neutral when dealing with Simon's info, especially when he was actively taking part with our discussions on Avalon, as I think is due to any whistleblower who shares with us here, and is the best way to draw them out.
So no offense, Eva, but my personal views don't match the conclusions you have drawn, but I thank you again for your post and your contributions to the conversation.

And I for one appreciate your courtesy and good stand with the topic .

I'm treading lightly here .. walking on eggshells , at least for now and till we all can find more sense and comfort with the subject and each other .
Other than that I'm happy to be even of little help.


Thanks again Natalie

Thanks Eva.

[Agape]

'm not sure what you are basing your statements on, but I think it's a subject for other discussions.
It seems clear though that now there are lots of ET races visiting us, and that the negative influences and effects of the earlier visits have been far reaching and long lasting, and need correcting soon. Not to mention the AI and archonic influences...

Apologies for my overall sentiment about this Onawah but I am not intending to disrupt your believes here .

Unless you're aware of , I've shared some of my ET testimony since about 2006 ( ufocasebooks ) , then continued working with Barry King in private group for almost 9 years ,
the Bodhgaya ET Event Report was shared here in 2010 ,

gave an interview for the Camelot Project and more than 5 hours of it for Miles Johnston Bases series etc etc.

The way I am or being looked upon and down by anyone here and labeled 'one of your experiencers' by Bill is a matter of personal infidelity which does not resonate with respect and sensitivity towards anyone approaching research field from afar.
If people don't know you or don't care to know you personally, of course .. it changes the whole picture .
I was never allowed that much as Simon ( and others ) to speak live . Never ever .

The same question as what you are basing your statements on could be given to anyone sharing unverified information here .

I was more than aware of the risk of posting ANYTHING in this thread ,

and the 'moods' driven here towards me previously.

With that said , I'm not interested in debating you in this thread or topic Natalie albeit with what's called the Damocles sward of absurd 'character assassination' hanging over my head.

Everything in me is really protesting taking part in this debate. So before I slide to another allergy reaction to myself and everything ,

bowing out of this, with respect to those who are still seeking Simons advice .

[onawah]

Hi Eva,
No disrespect intended, and I have no desire for a debate either.
I just did not know what you were referring to specifically in regards to the subject matter of this particular thread.
I have read some of the Bodghaya thread, seen your interview with Kerry, read a lot of your posts here, but am not very well versed on the information you have provided.
And to cross-reference the information from those several sources and apply to the present conversation is much too daunting a task for me to take on.
If you do not care to either, I certainly understand.
Regarding your various causes for dissatisfaction, I can only sympathize, but addressing them is far beyond my scope.
I don't have beliefs so much as I do a no-more-than-average familiarity with what has been disclosed by various sources from insider government, military, individual witnesses, contactees, abductees and whistleblowers and changing opinions about that as time goes on.
I don't subscribe to everything they say or take anything as gospel, but I don't discount them either, at least to a certain extent.
The same applies to your disclosures, and that is not meant as discounting your validity as a source.
I am in a learning process, and claim nothing more.

[Agape]

Posted by onawah (here)
Hi Eva,
No disrespect intended, and I have no desire for a debate either.
I just did not know what you were referring to specifically in regards to the subject matter of this particular thread.
I have read some of the Bodghaya thread, seen your interview with Kerry, read a lot of your posts here, but am not very well versed on the information you have provided.
And to cross-reference the information from those two sources and apply to the present conversation is much too daunting a task for me to take on.
If you do not care to either, I certainly understand.

Hello Natalie , no disrespect towards you either and at all .

It's not that I 'don't care' . I just can't agree on sharing something I consider precious and taking the best of my soul experience and own resources
under a constant 'comparison' towards someone elses claims
and making me feel ashamed for 'posting in wrong thread' and so forth.

Sorry about that . I can't even start explaining ..all from scratch , all the reasons behind my incomplete testimony or people who did not give me the time to speak out - other than writing -
because it's the case of many people who are wrapped in complicated politicised agendas , personal circumstances and more .

It may be of interest to all reading here that people tend to be either 'spontaneous speakers' or 'spontaneous writers' , rarely both . It has something to do how our brains are wired . Written word and the way it's composed differs from language processing used for 'verbal speech' . I'm neither 'dyslexic' or 'dysgraphic' or any similar but I'm certainly 'spontaneous speaker' ( as most of my live friends know ) and was teaching for years before ..
not a 'writer' . The ET topic is still heavily tabuised in most of our cultures so not overly surprising there's no one really interested in that information or asking .

[Agape]

Posted by onawah (here)
Hi Eva,
No disrespect intended, and I have no desire for a debate either.
I just did not know what you were referring to specifically in regards to the subject matter of this particular thread.
I have read some of the Bodghaya thread, seen your interview with Kerry, read a lot of your posts here, but am not very well versed on the information you have provided.
And to cross-reference the information from those several sources and apply to the present conversation is much too daunting a task for me to take on.
If you do not care to either, I certainly understand.
Regarding your various causes for dissatisfaction, I can only sympathize, but addressing them is far beyond my scope.
I don't have beliefs so much as I do a no-more-than-average familiarity with what has been disclosed by various sources from insider government, military, individual witnesses, contactees, abductees and whistleblowers and changing opinions about that as time goes on.
I don't subscribe to everything they say or take anything as gospel, but I don't discount them either, at least to a certain extent.
The same applies to your disclosures, and that is not meant as discounting your validity as a source.
I am in a learning process, and claim nothing more.

What I'm referring to here really is ... many people with faint idea and some even with mature experience come to 'search for themselves' in this and similar information,

consultations , whistleblowers included . While most of such information is being absorbed, repeated, complied from bits over the internet and built to large sub-net of theories ,
and the caveat 'more credible than the other' can't be really applied here as this isn't reliable science field or 'spiritual teaching' where you can back yourself with well tested quotes of various masters for that matter ,

I came to this from non-internet backgrounds and years of meditation and knowledge acquired by first hand contacts .

It's not a fault or virtue but it's simply a directional difference . I'm not in need of this or another information being given to me .

If Simon and others uses information circulated globally , inevitably we all do in small amounts but where it comes to ETs and claims ,
either it is your knowledge and you can discuss this firsthands with me and others ,
or it isn't and the perspective is very different .

That's all about.

I've been questioned , I don't want to say attacked but certainly questioned on 'how do I dare to know' .

How any of the other people dare to know . You think they're somehow better than I'm because you so decided ?

You don't have to dissect and answer every sentence here , generally , if you can read the meaning in whole . It takes time to some people to step back , rethink and then reply .

To many - as observed earlier - this isn't really more than say, advanced entertainment ,
with no discrimination applied .

So yes please , get back to 'your topic' whatever that means and as Bill said , the thread was started by Alberto y Daniella ,
information discussed previously is something I considered pertinent to the debate ..


It's just practically impossible to keep explaining in every single post 'where do I come from' , especially till it irks so many people at all times.

It did not irk you with other witnesses, reasons why it does so with me are beyond our both access I think.


Clean table ..

[araucaria]

Posted by Agape (here)
As Araucaria suggested earlier .... when the pile of misunderstanding grows too tall with respect to your personal testimony it is sometimes better to call it a quit .

I don't recall saying exactly that. However I do recall posting this just today: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1077852

[araucaria]

Posted by Agape (here)
I'm no expert on judging 'human stuff' .

This is hugely problematic. You come to us in human guise – gender, birth date, country of residence, biography... – and you profess unfamiliarity with human stuff. I’m sorry, that does not necessarily make you a highly evolved benevolent ET. What we see is more likely a dysfunctional human. You are the first to state how many dysfunctional humans there are on this planet, close on 100% I gather. Both Occam’s razor and statistics suggest that you are one of them. If you are truly a highly evolved benevolent ET, then to alter that overwhelming impression you need to do a whole lot better than endless criticism.

I for one am earth human, period. With the rider that we are still very much exploring what it means to be human, that is the only completely honest baseline statement that any entity in human guise can make. Any departure from that requires more evidence than anyone so far has provided. Fraudulent claims, on the other hand, are ten a penny, Simon being just another on the list. But Agape, we are told, is the real deal. Yeah, right. Sure, I can take ET out of the equation: I personally still have zero evidence that ET exists. Which does not stop me making reasonable sense of life and the universe.

[Agape]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
I'm no expert on judging 'human stuff' .

This is hugely problematic. You come to us in human guise – gender, birth date, country of residence, biography... – and you profess unfamiliarity with human stuff. I’m sorry, that does not necessarily make you a highly evolved benevolent ET. What we see is more likely a dysfunctional human. You are the first to state how many dysfunctional humans there are on this planet, close on 100% I gather. Both Occam’s razor and statistics suggest that you are one of them. If you are truly a highly evolved benevolent ET, then to alter that overwhelming impression you need to do a whole lot better than endless criticism.

And that's no 'news' . It's more less for me , life ordeal . Functioning or not , for all of us , depends on circumstances . There are many 'disabled humans' who are or can be still very useful to the human society with little or bigger adjustments made in their life .
Stating ( bellow ) that you're nothing else than 'earthly human' does not make you automatically anything .
80% of all discussed here IS empty rhetorics . IF you were really interested in the case and information you'd have to follow what's being shared of the ET .
The trick is : most people are automatically programmed to edit those parts even when reading or listening to each other . You dismiss the subtle and stress the parts that stand for your 'proof' of 'being human' .

Thus in effect, you miss the meaning of any such entity is trying to convey .

There's no 'endless criticism' anyone gets from me here, for those who follow.

I'm very sensitive to those 'subtle clues' you offer and I've offered some access to me and my ET testimony through this forum.
For people with iota of genuine interest it's a positive opportunity for questions , answers and discussion .

Not here for personal innuendoes. Most of your recent years postings towards me were nothing short of 'just criticism' .

Makes me wonder whether you're personally incapable of asking even one normal - non-sarcastic- question to the ET .

As self confessed skeptic , I doubt that would be the case.

Doubt for doubt ? Where's the New Testament .

I for one am earth human, period. With the rider that we are still very much exploring what it means to be human, that is the only completely honest baseline statement that any entity in human guise can make. Any departure from that requires more evidence than anyone so far has provided. Fraudulent claims, on the other hand, are ten a penny, Simon being just another on the list. But Agape, we are told, is the real deal. Yeah, right. Sure, I can take ET out of the equation: I personally still have zero evidence that ET exists. Which does not stop me making reasonable sense of life and the universe.

In days long ago I would likewise dismiss having anything to do with ETs . But spiritually and scientifically , I would never go even this far to deny someones claims or the fact they might exist .

You simply 'dunno' does not prove anything else either . In the case of internet discussion it's simply a statement against statement .

There are many-few humans who are sensitive to the 'presence' of the other beings ( ET) in real time .
But it may take whole century ahead if not more to be able to detect and confirm the option.

In any case , there's positive amount of information I've offered and it's never been my nature to go criticise or debunk others claims ;
if they're fraudulent they usually disprove themselves without your help . If they're genuine and far as I can attest , they probably also suffer with many personal difficulties through that process .

Please : But Agape, we are told, is the real deal.; leave such and similar comments in your drawer . Because if you use them here to judge 'validity' of claims of any of your 'human members' and what they share on their behalf ,
whether it concerns their cats, jobs or kids and you can't really find out ever whether that 'stuff' is true or not , they won't thank you but may feel quite 'dysfunctional' ,
as your 'human members' .
Singling someone out because they sound too extraordinary with their claims is not a great thing to do .
This Project would not have started without ET whistleblowers .

[onawah]

Perhaps we need to break this into two threads?

[Agape]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Agape, Can you start a thread and discuss what happened to you, as far as alien intervention ET contact goes? I am very interested. Maybe you could link to something you have written already? I don't want you to feel shut down because we aren't in agreement about Simon.

Starting new thread warranties a topic and interest , there's already plenty of information I did share previously with the forum including my original dedicated testimony that can be found with the ET Origins of Mankind sub-board, starting from the upper threads.

Starting new thread is always an option, thanks.

[Agape]

Posted by workingactor (here)
Working in Hollywood as I do, I come across various levels of sociopaths daily. Generally, what I've been unfortunate enough to experience is, if you're perceptive enough to see through them..you become their next target, their ONLY target,until you are destroyed. I've been relentlessly slandered over the last few years because I had a falling out with my former circle(circles are how things get done in this town), on top of being courageous(dumb?) enough to criticize Israel publicly. It's why you see the same faces working with the same directors again and again..once you're in a good circle..you'll work.

Conversely, if a strong circle goes against you..you're gonna have a bad time..especially if you're not part of the "white male" club.

I say all that to say, how Simon responds to all this stuff will tell us a lot about who we're dealing with. I say he's a sociopath to the core. I haven't tried to "remote view" him like I said I would..2 jobs/career etc, I haven't gotten a chance to take farsight institute's course yet. But I will.

It almost doesn't matter, though. these stories about him don't strike me as made up or exaggerated. dude has got some issues..or he's in dire need of an assistant. I can't wait to see his response.

But then .. there's also this whole cultural phenomenon and conditioning coming to the equation here .
In Hollywood I can imagine ''anything is possible'' ( does not mean ''anything goes'' ).

In India we say ''anything is possible in India'' and it's true , because of the vast cultural and population diversity .

In the US and from what I know from my online friends the 'social environment' differs but the number of options is much bigger of what is 'acceptable' and not . Depending on your circles , friends and everything.
So labelling someone 'psychopath' ( for the funs sake ) is not taken that seriously as people look at it in Europe . It does not 'end your carrier' .
I can imagine that many of the most famous and shiny art stars do have this aspect to them and no one cares .

British society quite like many of our old fashioned European societies based in 'classical education' can be fairly conservative compared to most of the above .

It's one reason why some of this information especially could not surface till while ago . Even then , it would probably never happen without the help from the US .

They like to 'burry' people and 'strange phenomena' like this here . It's the freedom of speech phenomenon in part and closed mentality another and what's left is 'free think' but you're not supposed to talk about it.
Paradoxically , they'll still invite speakers from abroad and those who are interested can go listen to them and then everyone goes home 'happy' . Chewing gum is all you get .

It's what I faced here after coming back from India after many years and sharing the story within my circles , that was meditation centre where I was teaching and it had some excellent people there so good mirror to how the society would cope or reflect on the phenomenon
and you could see they were 'terrified' . And these were people who knew me for years before , good friends and used to being taught about the subtle but when they heard that 'extraterrestrials' are somehow involved they felt betrayed .
Certainly not 'by me' but they just freaked out and started to telling me stories of what happened during those times I was not here and big scam and problems with sects ( forgot the name but they're an offshoot of the Ashtar Command , Galactic Federation and similar ) selling tickets to take people out of the planet ,
healing , similar type of thing each time .

In small country with conservative mentality the 'reality check' happens much faster . If you create a scam , a problem or abuse clients it takes a year or two maximally and you can close the shop and never return ( or worse ).

It's not what I was upto at all and never happened to me but people were scared to have anything to do with the 'ET label' nonetheless .

Similarly with media , they would not talk about this openly unless with huge caveat .

From the years of working with Barry ( UK) I know the media situation there was eerily similar there too . Nowadays of course and especially thanks to internet the situation is slightly different but the way 'orderly society' don't want to know or have anything to do with what was labeled as 'insane' - literally for decades - the only close association of ET from my childhood were probably jokes about mental asylum patients - from 'educated adults' , that is,
is stereotypical .

Of course the tolerance increases by inches but it can still make plenty of people 'uncomfy'.


Another whole new aspect to this and that's why I'm mentioning it here, specifically is the 'internet subculture' .

Counselling online is an entirely new phenomenon, new and untested . It sounds 'easy' and in some cases it's a pure joy and in many other cases, it's a heart breaker .
It just misses the whole 'human dimension' and it's not 'the same' thing , energetically and functionally as coming to see the counsellor and having quality time together .

It can be better for being able to 'cross distances' at low cost but it does not quite 'cancel the distance' . It offers an illusion of ease .. but if you are used to rely on your subtle senses and the other person are not , the 'appearance' = elusive illusion takes over .

I can't say what would happen IF ( because Ifs don't exist , after all ) but the above cases of complains might also never happen if Simon did his counselling in real time instead .

Could be either of those options .





P.S. : I will try to post something on the 'My ET ID' topic in entirely new thread once I feel this would be comfortable with the forum ( and i ).

[Chester]

Posted by onawah (here)
Perhaps we need to break this into two threads?

Yes and apologies for my off topic comments - please, split.

[Pam]

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

Posted by giovonni (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by giovonni (here)
Noted: Bottom line message, Mr Parkes needs to get out of the counseling business ...

Though I am not going to dismiss his public voice as being all rubbish.

Why not? Is there any reason to believe any of his claims? He's proven he is dishonest and not above theft, apparently. In the interest of 'balance,' you would believe 'some' of his claims? I'm really curious and interested to know why. I don't get why people who have achieved some degree of esteem and respect, when unmasked, aren't dropped like hot rocks. Like Teal Swann, he is very likely just another shyster with potential to do significant harm.

If anybody here feels they have been cheated (or fraudulently handeled) by either Teal Swan or Simon Parkes, then they need to take legal action for themselves ... I personally don't believe it's good practice for any forum members to be slandering any individuals here ... And regarding Simon Parkes, I never said I believe everything he says ...
Once again, 'I am not going to dismiss his public voice as being all rubbish' ... either.

I have been directly involved in this "community" now for 4 years.

It is my conclusion that anyone... anyone who speaks in any way about unprovable, other worldly experiences must hold the highest of standards with regards to:

complete, all but perfect honesty

accuracy of the details discussed

consistency in their story or clarity as to what they are not certain about and to what degrees of certainty, uncertainty they have regarding every aspect of their story

any interpretations of their experiences be clearly presented as their own, subjective interpretations and do not necessarily imply realities that span beyond their own, personally experienced reality

that any paradigms, either directly presented or indirectly implied are never imposed on others at all in any way

that all interpretations, conclusions and paradigms these experiences suggest are never presented in any way as to apply to groups of others or all others


Conclusions -

Unprovable, other worldly experiences do happen to individuals and on some occasions to groups of individuals.

Yet, in almost all cases I have observed over these last four years there is a great deal of paradigm imposition where the listening (reading) individual's exploration of their own wonderment is robbed.

Of course, just about everything stated above has little chance of happening across the vast community that has now evolved to quite a mature state where there is the same dynamic we see with a small controlling elite (the NWO Globalists) and the rest of humanity, all life on Earth, all life in the immediate area of space including the planets... and that is a small, highly exposed elite that plays the "if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours too" game, where folks can become members of the "mutual verification club" if they play that one well enough, where you get "researchers" like Wilcrook who then take advantage of clearly compromised individuals (in some cases quite willingly) like Goode, etc. who need each other to achieve success in applying "The Formula."

The Formula is -

Step One - Scare the hell out of the vulnerable

Step Two - Convince them "you" have access to vital information the vulnerable cannot possible get on their own

Step Three - Addict them to your "intel drip feed" (credit to Daozen for the excellent term)

Step Four - Harvest in any form desired and sought - monetarily, energetically, sexually, attention seeking, etc.

Step Five - Repeat until the victim is drained and/or wises up

Continuously troll the internet via any means possible for new vulnerables. Trade vulnerables with others. Never, ever reveal you are a fraud despite how obvious it is... trust me, there are far more vulnerables than ones who have wised up. You'll also have "the sensitive" that will always excuse every single unacceptable behavior in any form you ever produce and they will relentlessly defend you in massively large, ungodly numerous posts until all the rest of us simply get tired and find better things to do.

Excellent assessment, Sam! You could also use that list to describe organized religion in many cases. Maybe that's what these guys provide, a sort of organized religion for the alternative crowd.

[Agape]

Excellent assessment, Sam! You could also use that list to describe organized religion in many cases. Maybe that's what these guys provide, a sort of organized religion for the alternative crowd.

Yep. It looks like the Legend , the modernised version of Mahabharata and Ramayana ,

it has the Gods, the Demons, the jealous Demigods, the Aryans, the Aliens , the great supreme Anu the Spirit, the lower spirits too , the Kings and Queens and the Eye of Horus.
The mummies are rising from their dead beware though , the legend of great heroes
rising from the mist of deepest past ,

the deepest dreams mankind dreamt through you or i

they awaken the warriors of future

and the Peacemakers


And when the Grand Cycle turns over again ,
truth will remain with a group of sages

who only will see how it all starts again





P.S. Well, one day in faraway future this board too will be rather desolate with few scattered posters roaming around
or maybe the last renegades of future earth

or ..erm... it will upgrade to another software

[Hervé]

This thread was created to collect the various off-topic derails of this other thread: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a Counselor

[onawah]

Bill, actually it was I who contacted Becky and she has not been coaching me at all.
I actually asked her if she thought that Simon would want to try to address some of the issues that have been raised here, since I think there is a side that is not being heard that I am not qualified to speak for.
In a perfect world, clients and patients of counselors and doctors would always come away satisfied and better, but that is hardly the case.
But none of us are omniscient and so don't always know who's telling the truth and who isn't, or who's to blame and who's just habituated to being a victim, or who's being manipulated and who's manipulating.
So in the absence of more evidence one way or the other, I am trying to stay as objective as I can.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Becky, who is also an Avalon member since 2013 and a friend of Simon's who handles his bookings, etc. says that he has hundreds of clients who have been helped. If the complaints are the vast minority, what does that say?

It says the same as would be the case for a doctor who only kills a few patients, an engineer who only has a few of his bridges collapse, or a pilot who only crashes a few times a year.

None of these things should happen at all.

And it's not much of an exaggeration to give those analogies. A vulnerable person who's been abused by a counselor can sometimes experience lasting, extensive damage.

I'd suggest to Becky, who's reading this thread and seems to be asking onawah to make certain points on her or Simon's behalf:

Don't make excuses. Make some apologies. There may be some realities that need facing up to. That would be a good start.