Split thread for various Off-Topic posts from "Our Experience With Simon As a '____________' "

[RunningDeer]

Sharing the “Snoopy Keep Calm, Stay Cool” graphic...

Snippets from video:

• the unleash of scorpionic Mars energy...
• lots of squares and opposition energy
• there’s a lot of subversive energy out there
• there’s be a lot of people giving into a lot of primal and basic urges
• dodgy for the next couple of days
• count to 10
• walk away

Heads up - big incoming….

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=65QmJxpIEf4

Published on Jul 6, 2016

With heart,
RunningDeer

[Agape]

Hi Paula , thanks for the refreshment ...

Now and before this all is swept under table , can you answer this question to me please :
Is it all-any-right to stay in place like this, unique and one of its kind , because I am social creature too and after all and if I was not being intimidated as witness and whistleblower, right from the start, I could have also contributed much more but well ..

in exchange for being called 'troll' and suspected of any kind of dirt these supposedly 'advanced' people happen to have on their mind ?

I think, spiritually , not right . What do you think ...

[Agape]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I felt the situation had changed when Simon apologized and this was on of the reasons I posted the Teal video.

One line in the intro struck me "Teal’s abilities attracted the attention of a family acquaintance who unbeknownst to Teal’s family was struggling with dissociative identity disorder and sociopathy."

Also that as I said abuse can really affect the mind--I was looking for possible reasons that Simon acted the way he did and then felt the need to apologise--so I felt that the video was kind of in context if only remotely so.

I dont have a challenge with my post being moved.
Neither do I have a challenge with Agapes protest.
It is as it is.

Chris

Hi Chris,

I feel I owe you an apology because whomever is behind the moderating 'intent' and yes there's a 'spiritual and factual misunderstanding' that occurred between some on high level , time ago ,
leading to this situation when I'm being targeted here, more specifically my spiritual authority in any matter is a thorn in peoples eye ,

my ET related knowledge likewise

so they go around picking on what they can , using tactics like 'your posts are not concise and on topic' and 'we don't understand your posts but stay clear of here' .

Unfortunately, they take down anyone who is connected to me in the situation .


Vis Simons statement about his Father Draco ...

I bet sure he's joking .


But I'm deeply sorry for anyone coming under the offensive on my behalf.

[Hervé]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I felt the situation had changed when Simon apologized and this was on of the reasons I posted the Teal video.

One line in the intro struck me "Teal’s abilities attracted the attention of a family acquaintance who unbeknownst to Teal’s family was struggling with dissociative identity disorder and sociopathy."

Also that as I said abuse can really affect the mind--I was looking for possible reasons that Simon acted the way he did and then felt the need to apologise--so I felt that the video was kind of in context if only remotely so.

I dont have a challenge with my post being moved.
Neither do I have a challenge with Agapes protest.
It is as it is.

Chris

Thanks Chris,

Anyone can start a new thread with a new topic of "How to..." rather than keep going on a thread dedicated to calling in for positive experiences with respect to Simon as a deprogrammer.

But, unless individuals can sort out off-topic from on-topic materials and realize that "trolling" doesn't necessarily imply an intent but is descriptive of a behaviour that insists on posting off-topic material which ends up derailing a thread with a specific topic... there won't be much progress.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Agape (here)
Hi Paula , thanks for the refreshment ...

Now and before this all is swept under table , can you answer this question to me please :
Is it all-any-right to stay in place like this, unique and one of its kind , because I am social creature too and after all and if I was not being intimidated as witness and whistleblower, right from the start, I could have also contributed much more but well ..

in exchange for being called 'troll' and suspected of any kind of dirt these supposedly 'advanced' people happen to have on their mind ?

I think, spiritually , not right . What do you think ...

Hello Eva,

That’s a loaded and complex question(s). One that each of us can only answer for ourself. Specifically here and now, my perceptions and comprehension is different from what I’m reading on the thread.

If I felt the things you’ve listed, I’d not have a reason to hang around. It’d be time for me to let go and allow those folks to sort things out in their own time and in their own way.

What do I think? Inhale and exhale. Chill..

With heart,
Paula

[Agape]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
I felt the situation had changed when Simon apologized and this was on of the reasons I posted the Teal video.

One line in the intro struck me "Teal’s abilities attracted the attention of a family acquaintance who unbeknownst to Teal’s family was struggling with dissociative identity disorder and sociopathy."

Also that as I said abuse can really affect the mind--I was looking for possible reasons that Simon acted the way he did and then felt the need to apologise--so I felt that the video was kind of in context if only remotely so.

I dont have a challenge with my post being moved.
Neither do I have a challenge with Agapes protest.
It is as it is.

Chris

Thanks Chris,

Anyone can start a new thread with a new topic of "How to..." rather than keep going on a thread dedicated to calling in for positive experiences with respect to Simon as a deprogrammer.

But, unless individuals can sort out off-topic from on-topic materials and realize that "trolling" doesn't necessarily imply an intent but is descriptive of a behaviour that insists on posting off-topic material which ends up derailing a thread with a specific topic... there won't be much progress.

Herve , according to the Wiki source quoted by yourself :

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

Trolling really describes malicious activity that would have to be conducted by someone who are nearly insane , illiterate or so unintelligible as some tried to project/portray me to others here
or it would be intentional, malicious activity, offending the topic of the previous thread.


Neither of which has occurred , is true or accurate from my side.


And I insist again that you intentionally or not, overlook and misunderstand any content and context of my postings and turn it to what you choose to see .
There are plenty of witnesses to what's been going on here over past few days

and except for someone ( who inconspicuously wanted to stay 'anonymous' but complained about me and Natalie 'muddying waters' in previous threads about Simon Parkes ) there are people around who can read and understand the meaning of my postings and how it relates.
The fact that 'not everyone does' makes the forum big enough .

But it does not warranty constant presence of moderator behind my back whenever I choose to post or advising me where not to post .


It's rather unfortunate that you're talking to someone with full experience in the topic discussed but can not see or realise that.

[Hervé]

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]
Herve , according to the Wiki source quoted by yourself :
[...]

Whether intended or not, the end result is the same:

1 Usage
[...]
As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (25 January 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do."[6][7]

[Agape]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]
Herve , according to the Wiki source quoted by yourself :
[...]

Whether intended or not, the end result is the same:

1 Usage
[...]
As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (25 January 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do."[6][7]

But I did not disrupt ( not to speak of intending to ) anyones thread Herve . If you can be bothered to re-read my post at all which is the one you used to establish this very very off-topic thread
that according to my best judgement now belongs nowhere than to members Off Topic section,

the post discusses the very same problematics of dealing with non-human entities and encourages the discussion further.

Unlike your actions that virtually stop and prevent discussion of the subject .


More than obviously again, I am prevented from discussing any information that even vaguely relates to Simon Parkes and his statements and that for one reason:

to maintain the debate thereof in simple state and one you can understand and makes sense to yourself .

And I beg your pardon with calling the 'troll' term to question here at all and starting mockery of a thread with my well meant contribution to topic .

Who on Earth would bother to answer to thread like this ?

[Hervé]

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]



But I did not disrupt ( not to speak of intending to ) anyones thread Herve . [...]

I just need a "Yes" or "No" answer here:

• Is what you posted a positive experience you had when being deprogrammed by Simon?

... anything not related to a positive result from a deprogramming by Simon - as the thread is calling for - is "OFF-TOPIC" and a derailment of that thread.

[Agape]

I do not envy your 'moderator shoes' ( rather than hat in this case ) neither I'm feeling in position to 'moderate a moderator' .
Obviously any moderator can choose to act as they see right and take actions allowed to them , as they choose , that's not the crux of the matter.

The problem really is that after several such moves of my posts over last few days , each of such coming with 'red alert' to any well meaning individual ,

the 'threat' of manipulating me to 'off zone' becomes more pronounced,
culminating here in straight 'off topic and troll' labelling.

In the mean time everyone else is ( gratefully ) enjoying their freedom and posting what they feel is appropriate to the topic, in the same threads.

The gist of the matter really is that while Bill ( and the MOD team ) seem to have 'problem' with how to interpret my postings ,
neither of you are fine enough with asking a relevant question to the topic back.

Not even one of you did so , and that's almost years since I'm here.

So I'll leave your behaviour towards me to your consideration .


It's all being taken absolutely off topic now and from where I see it, completely intentionally from Bills ( and the mods team ) side.

Because we could have inadvertently proceeded in the discussion and disclosed some more facts and information that could, even by chance , help some individuals concerned who are in trouble.

Which is not what you wish to see happening, at least not 'from my side'. The trend had been rather to label me 'unintelligible' in eyes of members and disabled from assisting others,

and I do consider this not even personally shameful but you are preventing the whole community from interacting meaningfully and benefitting from I could offer.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Hervé (here)
But, unless individuals can sort out off-topic from on-topic materials and realize that "trolling" doesn't necessarily imply an intent but is descriptive of a behaviour that insists on posting off-topic material which ends up derailing a thread with a specific topic... there won't be much progress.

I trust, Hervé, that even though you intended your choice of words to be descriptive of behaviour, not implicative of intent, still it is not too surprising to you that your words were read as implicative of intent, by Agape, who has clearly expressed concerns with how well she is (or isn't) understood and welcome here.

Communicating across wide gaps of viewpoints, awareness, talents, and temperaments can be quite challenging. Sometimes I just have to make myself a cuppa tea (or in my case a glass of my delightful re-mineralized and re-energized water) and allow inspiration to visit me, when and if ever it might happen to so. Sometimes it can be a long, long wait <grin>.

[Agape]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]



But I did not disrupt ( not to speak of intending to ) anyones thread Herve . [...]

I just need a "Yes" or "No" answer here:

• Is what you posted a positive experience you had when being deprogrammed by Simon?

... anything not related to a positive result from a deprogramming by Simon - as the thread is calling for - is "OFF-TOPIC" and a derailment of that thread.

Yes it's a discussion of related experiences , and kindly please check the same and other related threads for whether discussion of the topic is a part and parcel of the intent behind the forum.

I would not have posted without a pure intent and knowledge what am I saying, especially after those many innuendos of past few days.

It's a discussion. I agree that you can choose to start new thread to contain such discussion . But a new discussion thread does not start with big dash in title and labelling someone a troll.

Moreso, I doubt that a thread about 'Positive experiences with deprogramming ' is not meant to contain any discussion about 'positive experiences with deprogramming'
but only showcase the activities of Simon Parkes.

For that, there is his website, Facebook page or blogs , if you asked.


This is discussion forum of all, not a 'showcase' room.



And yes, the story of Yogi Milarepa has everything to do with someone walking fairly similar path to todays people like Simon who after dealing with many powerful otherworldly entities sought purification and mature understanding of what are they dealing with , so very pertinent .

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Agape (here)
and I do consider this not even personally shameful but you are preventing the whole community from interacting meaningfully and benefitting from I could offer.

Sometimes, Agape, when I find myself repeatedly frustrated, in a variety of ways that somehow seem similar, I find it useful to mentally step back, and anticipate the possibility that further insights or a shift in perspective, will suggest other paths, other approaches, even other goals, worth trying.

The impediments that block our paths are not always placed there by others.

[Hervé]

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]

Posted by Hervé (here)
I just need a "Yes" or "No" answer here:

• Is what you posted a positive experience you had when being deprogrammed by Simon?

... anything not related to a positive result from a deprogramming by Simon - as the thread is calling for - is "OFF-TOPIC" and a derailment of that thread.

Yes it's a discussion of related experiences , [...]

Thread: Positive Experiences with Simon Parkes as a Deprogrammer

onawah5th July 2016 23:10 - Link to Post #1
Positive Experiences with Simon Parkes as a Deprogrammer

I have started this thread specifically for feedback from people who have had positive experiences with Simon in his role as deprogrammer.
[...]

I missed the answer... was it a "Yes"? or a "No"?

[ThePythonicCow]

Looking a bit more at some of the last few posts above, I'd wager (and those who know me know that I very seldom wager) that the "discussion" between Agape and Hervé will not lead to a common understanding, nor contribute much of value to themselves or to the rest of us onlookers, in the short term at least.

I would suggest that both parties let the matter rest, for the moment at least.

[Agape]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]

Posted by Hervé (here)
I just need a "Yes" or "No" answer here:

• Is what you posted a positive experience you had when being deprogrammed by Simon?

... anything not related to a positive result from a deprogramming by Simon - as the thread is calling for - is "OFF-TOPIC" and a derailment of that thread.

Yes it's a discussion of related experiences , [...]

Thread: Positive Experiences with Simon Parkes as a Deprogrammer

onawah5th July 2016 23:10 - Link to Post #1
Positive Experiences with Simon Parkes as a Deprogrammer

I have started this thread specifically for feedback from people who have had positive experiences with Simon in his role as deprogrammer.
[...]

I missed the answer... was it a "Yes"? or a "No"?

No you did not 'miss the answer' Herve. Perhaps you missed reading DNAs' post and its meaning , Onawah' post and mine and the meaning of the discussion as a whole .

And you're stepping the intimidation rhetorics now while to trying to reassure everybody that you have the right to decide . Yes you have.

No need to repeat that I've answered your question and you miss the meaning of the topic discussed in Simons threads .


..

Paul, yes, I find this absolutely frustrating as well and it's occurred too many times before to count.
The problem ( perhaps unseen to you from the post you're holding ) is that most of us do not rejoice in arguments, disruptions, insults and similar 'bad ways' so as far as I can attest but so true for many other 'regular members' we are trying to avoid them before they occur.
That most often means leaving the subject and topic to other people to enjoy their talk .

However, discussion about ETs , Dracos included can not be, forgive me, reserved to either one member , be it Simon or anyone else .
It's not 'within a norm' that others with life long experience would be afraid to contribute their knowledge or experiences ,
and intimidated for mentioning them .

That's all. Everything has its subtle intention behind . Here it's people trying to manipulate whole field of ufology in favour of one person claims.

And frustrating it is ... the afternoon I've had to spend on defending myself against what I could well label 'trolling of my posts'
could have been spent by brining the discussion further from where I could have shared my views on the problematics and benefit others.

So such actions against well meaning individuals bring harm to the community, in long run.
In short term, we all like to avoid arguments, high blood pressure , close the laptops and say bye.

I thought that you want to help each other here with knowledge .

[Agape]

Posted by Paul (here)
Looking a bit more at some of the last few posts above, I'd wager (and those who know me know that I very seldom wager) that the "discussion" between Agape and Hervé will not lead to a common understanding, nor contribute much of value to themselves or to the rest of us onlookers, in the short term at least.

I would suggest that both parties let the matter rest, for the moment at least.

I'm happy to do that. This very thread started by Herve was about nothing , else than furthering a notion of threat towards me . Lost few hours . I don't receive any compensation for using my time in such manner .

And while we are all bound to computer communication at the moment, it could have been useful time instead.

Politely, I ask , in which thread can I discuss the very same topic without being called bad names ?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Agape (here)
Politely, I ask , in which thread can I discuss the very same topic without being called bad names ?

I don't know ... honestly.

The best I can do, at this moment, is to repeat my previous suggestion:

... that both parties let the matter rest, for the moment at least.

[Agape]

Herve: does not read the rest of what I post in the context those posts were written.
It's merely because I don't have the 'big name' of Simon Parkes and no one has bothered to read through my testimony and ask for what I do know,

I am automatically singled out as 'not eligible' to the discussion of 'big name' conctatee .

You miss the whole agenda or the array of them here, Herve and whoever reads. You miss the fact that there are questions I could answer .
It's not your interest that's fine but do I interrupt and moderate your threads that I'm no expert in ? Threads in politics of computing, for example ?

No, I don't . And would not do that.


However, you intrude and moderate threads here that deal with ET/Contactee problematics .

Why aren't all of these threads in member section till now , is one question.

Secondly, I repeat that you intrude to topics and discussions occurring between ET contact experiencers and people dealing with the topic long term. How much do you understand what's being discussed , please ?

[Agape]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
Politely, I ask , in which thread can I discuss the very same topic without being called bad names ?

I don't know ... honestly.

The best I can do, at this moment, is to repeat my previous suggestion:

... that both parties let the matter rest, for the moment at least.

It's why I've told Bill and probably you as well couple of times already about quitting the forum for good ,
not because 'today' or 'tomorrow' . It's not for 'this thread' or 'another thread'. It's not about the 'logistics'.

It's about modus operandi run from behind towards anyone daring to stand up for any advanced claims to do with ET contact.

Yes ..you can enjoy small 'ufo topics' and more complex ones backed up by videos and publications but there seems to be utter disrespect towards authentic contribution from people like me who know what the terms of ET contact are about.

Scholarly 'experts' abound , they seem to be still on top of everyones head.

It's what I'm experiencing since the very start . The argument from others usually starts : But , Mr So-and-so said .

Starting new threads and making positive contribution would be possible unless I'm constantly negated in any other ET contact thread I care to respond to.

The question remains, how much time do people think we all have left to toy with people like me instead of discussing what could have been discussed, with meaning.