Is this becoming the all Charles forum

[SKAWF]

if he's genuine (which we'll find out sooner rather than later) then whats going on right now on this forum is entirely justified as its a massive situation. if not, then there will be a few red faces around.
that said, there have been a few positives already. ive found it interesting that when he first arrived, EVERYONE had an opinion. most (forgive the wording) from what i saw took the oppurtunity to wax on about their own belief systems. but when it came to us having to put aside our predjudices, feelings and beliefs to actually deal with an entirely new situation, i found that a few people, had very little to offer!, like if you strip someone of their belief system, there isnt that much left of them.
Personally speaking if i was in a boxing ring, and the deal was that i'd get punched once, then given a bit of wisdom, i would let someone knock the living s**t out of me because the wisdom is far more valuable than bad feelings about getting punched and for that reason i'll continue to engage with it just to see where it all goes.
i dont think he has a problem with questions or doubt, but i do think that spewing negativity into the process serves no useful purpose. its probably better to observe what happens while reserving judgement

[truthseekerdan]

Charles has a definitive role, and that is to keep the 'illusion alive' so that we can experience and learn from 'our mistakes'. Don't let that be too much of a distraction though... Just my point of view.

Namaste ~ Dan

[Icecold]

Every question I asked was on a 'taboo' list....at least for now. The fact that these things remained unanswered told me a lot more than the answers would have done. I'm watching and waiting.
I understand jeannacav's concerns. I think she is right in this, he represents dark interests and that's a fact. He is also by his own admission a bad boy, that's not a bad thing BTW, there is a higher knowledge of good and evil being non-existent. Labelling people either way and you can guarantee you won't be close to the truth. There is only being, without labels.

AUM is the symbol of Creation - Sustenance - Destruction. Between ideas of good and evil is life. The two wings are just processes marking life or being.

Advice to members is not to judge anything yet, just watch and learn. Something is definitely unfolding. Let's see what the flower looks like after it unfurls.

[Monitor]

In my opinion ......I smell a Trojan Horse! Project Avalon has been hijacked...

[dddanieljjjamesss]

i seem to remember something about dragons, and an old forum splitting in half....

i don't need charles' information, i have plenty of my own

[viscountvlad]

Posted by Upanatom (here)
By Charles' admission we know that he "creates division", that's what he does. I see a division here... Mission accomplished?

Difference of opinion does not mean division. I have only been a member of this community for a short while but I feel that there is alot of love and respect between it's members. I think we can respect the beliefs of others and remain strong as a whole.

personally I want to watch and wait to see how things develop Charles wise, my mind is far from made up.

love

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I really hope this is all true. I have seen too many scenarioes that are almost identical turn out to be fake. The "Source A" fiasco on open minds forum and the "Hidden hand bloodline" thread on god like productions forums spring to mind. Perhap some online demo of physic powers or something between charles and the members? I really want this to be true and for something to come of it. I hope its not py-ops. No disrespect intended.

[blackatiam]

Posted by Brandie (here)
Self serving or not... let's listen to him. That does not mean you have to bow down to him. Just treat him as you would wish to be treated... with at least a semi- open mind I presume. ?

It is ok if what Charles is presenting to us does not reasonate with you, you have every right not to listen or consider what he is saying. Be free!! However, I think it is rude to insult our "guest" while he is in our midst. That's just bad manners.

[jamjar99]

I wonder...if Charles was discredited in the future (and I'm not saying he will be, just playing devils advocate) could that be mission accomplished for the controllers?

They saw how 'dangerous' Bill was to their plans in revealing information they would rather remain hidden. So they sent someone in to build everyone's hopes up (almost to hysteria) and then when it crashes, the project is discredited and people walk away. Job done. I have no evidence for this, just a thought. I am still completely open minded about Charles.

[silentghost80]

Posted by plumr2007 (here)
I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

why would you assume everyone is falling all over there selves ? there is a large number of people just watching and waiting !

[Gone001]

Posted by OneLittleFrog (here)
Aldous, you're missing the point -- obviously there's no avoiding the Charles issue, the question is, are all of the threads only for the messianic faithful, or are Doubting Thomases allowed to post our concerns too? (If we promise to stay civil? )

OneLittleFrog- I'm not missing the point I just have a difference of opinion. No were near "all of the threads" are dedicated to the man it's simply what is garnering the most "buzz" right now, but be my guest post your concerns it's not my forum.

Posted by ASIA (here)
Dear Aldous, not all are adept of the saying " Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer ".
To live according to this precept one have to live in apprehension or fear. No, not all are willing to live a life watching their back permanently. No, not all ( even here on Avalon ) resonate with Charles information and they have the right to speak out and express their opinion. And it is not because one do not trust the guy ( as you said ), it is because one chose to detach, deliberately, from problem-reaction-solution reality / consciousness, from the hierarchical, fragmented reality. He is telling truth. His truth. His reality. And I choose to follow my reality - when enemies does not exist.

As you know well, dear Aldous, on the Charles thread we can now, only post the questions for Charles, ( or to be deleted ), so those who wish to exchange the ideas about Atticus material or other issues gather on parallels threads. Where is the problem?

ASIA

Dear Asia from France

Well that's your unique view isn't it? That saying to me doesn't at all require "living in apprehension of fear". I suppose this differs from person to person, to me it makes more sense to calmly and patiently observe and do your homework in preparation. I think that the false flag E.T. event WILL take place and I'm not at all "living in apprehension of fear", quite the opposite, however, maybe not everyone feels the same way. Thus we see the split, it would seem every cell undergoes mitosis (or are some of us learning what we can and just waiting to see what unfolds?? hmm). Are you surprised you can't "exchange the ideas about Atticus material or other issues gather on parallels threads" in the questions for Charles only thread? Come on now your more intelligent then that. Yes some posts and threads got taken down but that was due to the, lets politely say "low quality" of said post's and threads. I still don't see the point of this thread myself for reasons I've expressed, but of course you have the right to have it (which I never argued dear girl) and as long as you all stay civil and intelligent then I suppose you shall, so smile .

Cheers,

Aldous

[joedjemal]

I asked my cards about all this last night. Charles came out as the knight of swords, his master as the hierophant and the reason for being here is the moon (The devil kept on popping up too which means bondage) Apparently the question he's looking for is about the tower.

Wierdly enough, despite this the outcome is positive. (the sun)

My cards are usually right (But they have been known to misdirect) I went over this repeatedly for an hour or so and the same cards kept popping up in the same places however I shuffled.

[modwiz]

Posted by joedjemal (here)
I asked my cards about all this last night. Charles came out as the knight of swords, his master as the hierophant and the reason for being here is the moon (The devil kept on popping up too which means bondage) Apparently the question he's looking for is about the tower.

Wierdly enough, despite this the outcome is positive. (the sun)

My cards are usually right (But they have been known to misdirect) I went over this repeatedly for an hour or so and the same cards kept popping up in the same places however I shuffled.

Interesting cards, thanks for the reading. With regards to the devil and bondage...did you not witness many willing to bind/offer themselves to whatever was needed? Fairly well represented energy by my observation. And Charles as the Knight of swords dividing as he says he does. His master as Hierophant? Amazing reading joedjemal. Thank you again for sharing.

[Scott]

Is this becoming the all Charles forum

It will be if members keep posting threads with the name "Charles" in it

Seriously, what Avalon is among other things is a very large database of information on many topics, take a moment to look around.
The Charles information is new but Avalon is not a 1 trick pony there are so many things to read on Avalon you could spend literally months on the site and never click any Charles thread.

Besides "Its just a ride" Bill Hicks

[The One]

Remember no one person can ever change the truth, but the truth, once learned, can and will change the person.

If you don't design your own life plan, chances are you'll fall into someone else's plan. And guess what they have planned for you? Not much

[Fructedor]

Hi folks

I believe that the first and most important thing we have to learn is to trust ourselves – our own intuitions, our own capacities, our own intelligence, and the truth that our potential is amazingly more vast than we imagined – this is something we slowly discover as we go. It’s a joyful though often hard-won discovery, and nourishes the work we have to do, whatever it is. No-one really knows the job the Universe built us to do except we ourselves. Being human, we often need guidance, though, and this we gather from everything around us – and must weigh in our own hearts as to its validity for us. The mix is different for everyone.

At first, when I started reading all the Charles materials, I was staggered at the chaotic deluge of comments and questions, many of which seemed to me pointless. But now I think like this – I’m truly moved by the variety of different interests expressed, all of which bear witness to a deep understanding in all of us that we are here to co-operate in building a new and better world. The time is now. Depending on who we are, we want – need - to learn about free energy, ET’s, spiritual development, the Pyramids, the Illuminati and so on – an infinite spectrum of the desire to serve. I believe that’s what’s important.

I’ve watched the Chill and Barley videos three times each, and have to say that I can’t sense a desire to lead anyone astray – my feeling is that Charles is who he says he is – his answers may seem annoyingly vague to some, but he’s often talking about concepts that are very difficult for us to understand – first of all, how far removed his own life experiences are from our own. And let’s not forget that we are growing out of a world of deliberate confusion and dark lies, and it takes a while for us to get used to new realisations. Unlearning stuff can be really difficult – how hard was it for people to accept Galileo when they’d ‘known’ for ever that the sun circled the earth, or for some Catholics to accept that maybe the Pope isn’t infallible?

I’ve been brewing this for a few days, sleepless nights, tortuous dreams, and may well need to share more with you. But I have to say I believe this – forget the use of the word ‘Master’ in any archaic religious sense – whatever else is happening, these events are proving to be a strong catalyst for all of us. If we come to Bill or Charles, or Krishnamurti or anyone else hoping that they will provide us with an answer that only needs two minutes in the micro-wave, we‘re in for a nasty surprise. Dropping to our knees won’t help. Never did.

Here’s my comment on that.

EMERGENCY UPDATE
SPOON-FEEDING NOW OBSELETE.
CONFIDENCE!

I hope this offends no-one, it’s a bit chaotic.

Best fraternal wishes

Fructedor

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Plus - I have no questions for Charles, at least for now - that worried me for a while, but not any more. And it doesn't mean I can't learn from what he shares - and indeed, what everyone else shares.

CONFIDENCE!

Best wishes

Fructedor

[modwiz]

Great post Fructedor

Modwiz

[Garry Irwin]

Posted by viscountvlad (here)
Difference of opinion does not mean division.

In my book difference of opinion ultimately means division.
For an example of such one only needs to look at monotheist religion where there are a multitude of off-shoots all with their own interpretations and peculiar ways.
This is division caused by a difference of opinion at work.
It's happening here too.
The PTB, controllers... whatever you want to call them are masters of divide and conquer, having used this technique for millennia.
We fall for it every time.
Just my opinion and I know you respect that as I do yours.
Meanwhile, let's wait for the other shoe to drop.
Peace.

[Fructedor]

Posted by plumr2007 (here)
Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

I thought the Bronx was the **** YOU state - has my TV been lying?

[Lunar]

Hi peeps, this is the first time I've posted on this forum but have been following Camelot/Avalon for some time now. I'd just like to offer my opinions on Charles. I am confused by him, as I dislike him as a person, however, what he has to say about the machine (I wonder if Dr Pete Peterson could shed any light on this 'machine') is very interesting - the most interesting part, for me, about his interview and would love to know more details - could Charles offer those? I do think he is genuine (despite my misgivings about his final motivations of coming to Avalon) but I also feel that what he thinks he knows may be distorted (purposely by others or by his own mind?). I dislike how he uses the term "women at his disposal" and then in threads on this forum apparently points to women as being the key - massive contradiction in terms there, which makes me wonder whether there are some red herrings in his interview. I also wonder whether his assertions for coming to Avalon in the first place (because this machine has changed in somehow) is a euphemism for I am going to die soon and I would like to repent - he is a bit of a Himmler character to me. I truly hope, though, that Bill's ego isn't being massaged by Charles. However, I trust Bill and hope that Bill has seen and heard something else that we haven't and so I remain open minded but suspicous.