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    Default Re: The Truth about the 5th Dimension

    Hi Triquetra

    But if you can imagine just how incredibly vast the number of unique possibilities for future timelines actually is, you might also be able to imagine that even if those probabilities collapse and reduce in number, we are still talking about a very large range of concrete possibilities.

    I would be interested in your thoughts on the main concrete possibilities going forward as we make the transition?

    But to describe precisely which one of those positive outcomes it is, is another matter. Look at it this way. If a small number of individuals relative to the total population of a planet are undergoing a different soul transformation (rapid awakening) relative to the rest (treading "soul progress water" by staying caught in the illusion over their entire lives), it does not make sense for the fates of those awakening to be anchored down to the lowest common denominator, i.e. for them to be trapped in another time loop with the water treading souls).

    So in many ways if a group of us work at raising our vibrations and apply some of the new information which will be getting access to in the future, we will be on such a widely different path from the others deeply asleep in the "illusion", that it will kind of function as a slingshot out of this 3D matrix to the gates of 5D?

    But there is another way for those so inclined - to understand how our own reality is also a created reality, from the outside, to evolve in the opposite direction.

    This is the gateway to that 5d reality (much more than a world), and it is even hard to say if it will necessarily "split". You can imagine that if your consciousness suddenly shifted from being inside of this reality, to being in the reality where this reality is a simulation in the same way this reality will create increasingly convincing simulations within it as well, it might feel like a "split".


    Whilst in this 3D matrix we live limited and restricted lives which are governed by physical laws and time, 4D is a non-physical realm which is a realm of time and 5D is a timeless realm where the entities residing their live in the eternal now. Did the entities residing in the 5D realm create this vast physical universe (as a virtual world for them to experiment with). I guess if this is the case they could project their consciousness into the liveforms existing in 3D worlds. From their perspective, they witness the experiences and learn the lessons through our small limited lives, in this way we are all part of them, although an unaware part of them and our world for them is a hugely complex virtual reality world.

    It is pretty amazing to think about this concept and approach to existence if this is how it operates. What alternate reality or virtual world do 5D dwellers play for the levels of consciousness above them. These reflected realities of different creations flow all the way back to source itself, but we will probably only be aware of a small amount of this complexity.

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    Default Re: The Truth about the 5th Dimension

    Hmm.

    Been round that block once or twice..
    For now I hold the idea that since we are multidimensional anyways.
    The part of me that is in the upper dimensions is aware of me within.
    What sets us apart is that I as an ego construct on this plane of existence cannot become conscious of myself at that level..

    The me Here and the Me There will change. Flowing through experiential vibratory realms of existence creating a separate sense of self. Which is by definition never I.

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    I found this to be an interesting article with lots of useful insights into 5th dimensional reality

    http://www.trinfinity8.com/a-glimpse...5th-dimension/

    All the best

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    I think we're all being pushed along whether we like it or not, like a runaway locomotive! I used to think I must be "evolving", but it can't be that (unless I'm evolving into a cynical sarcastic arsehole) - I'm just changing.

    Ever want something, and then once you have it, you don't want it anymore? That's happened to me lots... and it's made me quite a cynic. Reminds me of the monkey paw story where the guy wishes for things and gets them but the cost for it is terrible. So anyways, I've sworn off wishing - and praying too. I told God that He can do my praying for me

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    Hi everyone

    it has been quiet in this thread for a while, I found that this article had some interesting insights in line with the theme of this thread so thought I would share it.

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    http://www.zengardner.com/timeline-r...n-forces-life/

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    Default Re: The Truth about the 5th Dimension

    Hi

    I found this interview really interesting and had a lot of useful discussion about the 3D matrix and ways in which we are manipulated by 4d entities. It has a really good big picture analysis where we are at the current point in time and has lots of practical ideas for learning discernment and becoming more aware of the ways we are manipulated at a physical and energetic level.

    Cheers

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    https://veilofreality.com/2016/05/25...el-discussion/

    The topics discussed include:

    The macro-perspective/bigger picture of the Hyperdimensional Matrix Control System and how it ties in with the micro-perspective: hyperdimensional interference on a personal/individual level. Clarification and definition of basic concepts.

    Suppression of extra-sensory perception and social/cultural conditioning (starting in childhood) keeps hyperdimensional forces hidden from our awareness.

    Hyperdimensional “technologies” used for interference/manipulation: shape-shifting, thought injections, manipulation of perception, etc.. They have knowledge of our physiology and psychology and use it against us.

    As powerful as negative entities seem, their “achilles heel” is lack of creativity (when it comes to attack/interference) and are actually not as powerful as they like us to believe. Patterns easily detectable if there is knowledge and awareness.

    Importance of gaining knowledge about this topic and educating oneself for empowerment and protection.

    Ancient cultures were very aware of the hidden forces influencing our reality/world. Suppression of Knowledge.
    Corruption of Science. “Modern” world caught in limited 3D reductionist thinking and view of life/reality. Outer technological progress at cost of developing our inner technology (mind-body split by design}, which cuts us off from our full potential and ability to perceive these forces.

    All our unresolved issues within us are gateways for hyperdimensional interferences and suggestions that influence our behaviors and actions.

    Manipulation of desires and emotions. Entities controlling groups/crowds and feeding off of the “loosh”, including worship/admiration (gurus, priests, politicians).

    Normalization of pathology in society. The predator gave us its own mind.

    Importance of healthy skepticism (Discernment) as opposed to blind belief and extreme skepticism.

    Normalization of sexual pathologies. Internet porn, strip clubs as feeding grounds. Hosting/Possession. Sex addiction, compulsions, change of personality. Manipulated sexual desires. Etheric implants.

    Interference on internet message boards, forums, social media (Facebook). Important to check your compulsions, triggers, urges, thoughts before posting/reacting.

    Interference while reading/researching about this topic and seeking truth: tiredness, distraction, ear ringing. Technological malfunctions.

    Disinformation “agents” sent your way. Ego hooks. Fake new “friends”.

    People don’t know how much they are influenced and controlled by hyperdimensional forces until they start to wake up, seek truth, gain knowledge and engage in self work (de-programming, de-conditioning).

    The end-game/goal of their agenda from a macro-perspective is full take-over of our bodies in order to lock us in a frequency prison, priming our bodies for their essence to host in. Hence the push for dis-embodiment, increasing the body-mind split via increased mental activity/distraction through technology/A.I. as well as poisoning the body via GMOs, EMF radiation, vaccinations, chemtrails, etc., for genetic modification.

    Disinformation/trap of “positive aliens”supposedly upgrading our DNA, which is actually a “downgrading”. Discernment! Ties into MK Ultra, abductions/contactees (fake screen memories). New Age deception.

    Embodiment (full soul integration, connecting to our inner “technology”) is key for protection, awakening and anchoring higher frequencies, reconnecting to our original genetic blue print.

    Humanity is being used as an “interface”. Soul recycling, stuck in incarnation loop and physicality.

    Narcissism and Borderline Personality Disorders (as well as Sociopathy and Psychopathy) as major gateways (vehicles) for hyperdimensional hosting/interference. Trap of agreement when getting into reactive behavior; triggered into their “game”.

    Importance of zero-point consciousness: Non-reactive; not making/taking things personal. Trap of interpersonal fighting which is what these entities want and feed of off.

    Importance of boundaries and taking self-responsibility for the hyperdimensional forces can only target what resonates with our own wounds and weaknesses (psychologically and emotionally).

    Trap of victim-consciousness and blame, which these entities encourage us to react with since that state disempowers us even more.

    Via non-reactive zero-point consciousness and especially not getting/feeding into fear and paranoia, we can starve them so they lose interest and move on. i.e. not giving them what they want.

    Certain reactions (fear/paranoia) are a form of permission for more interference/attacks because of the frequency match. Keeps increasing because of the feedback-loop.

    Divide and conquer/in-fighting in the “truth movement” from a hyperdimensional perspective. Lack of emotional intelligence, embodiment and self-work in many well-meaning activists and conspiracy researchers. “Truthers” can become unconscious disinformation “agents”, especially if there is lack of understanding of the hyperdimensional matrix.

    Oftentimes online/public personas are very different from how people are in person. Careful of “cult of personality” or “celebrity” style personas in the truth/conscious “movement” (ties into projection, worship, etc) who feed off of the attention and are caught up in drama/gossip/martyr/savior/victim mindsets, which is what negative hyperdimensional entities feed off of, working though them. Unconscious on their part.

    Frequency Resonance Vibration and the power of our own minds with regards to shaping our experiences (for better or worse). Our lack of understanding of who we truly are and what we are capable of is being used against us. Interferences/attacks don’t happen over night but build up slowly, manipulating our free will choices, resulting in traps of agreement.

    Emotionally charged thought projections create “entities” or attracts them. Paranoid mechanical thought loops.
    Timeline shuffling via thought injections and emotional manipulation, hijacking our minds, which results in negative forces creating reality through us that is in alignment with their agenda. We are way more creative and powerful than them, hence they need us to create through us via free will manipulation.
    Trap of hyper-sensitivity/self-consciousness with regards to what other people think of you. Guilt and shame based due to past wounding.

    Silence as a permission for interference and consent/trap of agreement. Be vocal about boundaries and question everything we perceive as “normal”: media, culture, government.

    Government is an archonic creation and the most basic set-up of the Matrix Control System through which the hyperdimensional overlords work through. We don’t need government in any shape or form.

    Voting is consent to be ruled over (a government body taking over your life), a trap of agreement giving away our power as sovereign individuals, and also a consent to the Matrix Control System based on authoritarianism. It has negative metaphysical repercussions despite any well-meaning intentions, manipulating people’s free will choice to align with the “alien” agenda.

    Importance of making conscious choices and using true free will. Most people mistake free will for their mechanical programmed reactions based on social/cultural, unconscious programming and past trauma, i.e. they are not choosing consciously but do as they are programmed to do under the illusion of “free will”.

    Hyperdimensional forces need our free will consent/choice to align with their agenda. Forced choice is not “nutritious” to them and not “quality food”, hence the manipulation of consciousness and mass beliefs. Manipulated need for authority —> Stockholm Syndrome.

    Sincere Self-work is imperative, deprogramming from cultural/social conditioning. Disillusionment is inevitable in the process of waking up.

    Embodiment, the alchemical marriage of the inner male and female, connecting to spirit/nature and or own inner “authority” and guidance.

    Importance of basic psychological self-work; shadow work. What are your emotional triggers?
    Issues in relationships (not related to Love Bite/Dark Side of Cupid) when one person starts to wake up, engages in truth-seeking and self-work but the other person isn’t. Trap/danger of trying to make the other person “see” and “wake up”.
    Anyone who is not in the process of sincere self-work, seeking truth (and not aware of the hyperdimensional matrix) can become a “trojan horse”, being used by entities to get to the one who is in the process of awakening. Discernment in relationships (not just the romantic kind)!
    Safe vs. unsafe behaviors in relationships.

    Trap of needing approval, resulting in self-diminishment and poor choices/relationships. Importance of self-worth and healthy self-love. Letting go of people-pleasing based on low self-esteem and lack of establishing healthy boundaries.
    All about choice; what we align ourselves with and what not. Not making a choice is a choice as well (most often giving consent for interference/manipulation)

    The socialist collective mindset the world is conditioned with on a political level is part of the NWO agenda and ultimately the hyperdimensional control system, priming the masses for full take-over with their manipulated free will consent. Group psychology and hive mind thinking, from small crowds to large spiritual, religious and political groups/parties.

    Divide and conquer. Controlled opposition. Forced choices via manipulation.

    Waking up is an individual process. We cannot force others to awaken. Infringement of free will. Most people are conditioned with lifetimes of lies, traps of agreements and programming that can’t be done away with “over night” by confronting them. You can’t do it for them. Spread “seeds of awareness”.

    True “healers” and “guides” are facilitators and don’t save us or do the work for us.

    The role of positive higher forces and how they help/guide and assist us.

    The difference between true positive higher forces as opposed to negative forces posing as “positive” ones. False light teachings. Danger of rituals, calling in entities and aliens, ETs. Disinformation in the UFO community and various disclosure/exo-politics movements/organizations trying to connect with “positive” aliens and calling in UFOs. Discernment!
    Pay attention to your intuitive insights and bodily messages (your gut!) regardless how intellectually clever and knowledgable a person may appear (especially online).

    All there is are lessons. Attacks are initiations. Utilizing negative forces as “teachers”. Importance of self-responsibility.
    Timeline reality split. Integration. Embodiment. Alignment.

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    Quote Posted by Scottoz (here)
    I would be interested in your thoughts on the main concrete possibilities going forward as we make the transition?
    Perhaps you see the main branches by this point. There are signs of serious struggle in darker agendas as the commotion on the surface of reality is beginning to border on the ridiculous. So there is a trend towards beginning to move away from this.

    However there was an effort to keep the illusions woven until global stress could grow as a result of emerging crises. Then the rest would take care of itself. If civilization began to break down, then a natural evolution away from the ability to be manipulated within the population would become irrelevant. Civilization would not be able to upend itself, casting off the manipulators in favor of the radical growth of a cooperative movement of truly evolved human beings.

    That was the intention anyway. (As if that were the case, it might be possible to continue another cycle of civilization with the same manipulation structures in place)

    And so there are only two main branches of possibilities, really, that are still scrapping it out to determine which path into the future we will ultimately take. There are some wild cards remaining, but that would grow this topic significantly. It would be better to show those cards in action than to idly discuss them anyway.

    Quote So in many ways if a group of us work at raising our vibrations and apply some of the new information which will be getting access to in the future, we will be on such a widely different path from the others deeply asleep in the "illusion", that it will kind of function as a slingshot out of this 3D matrix to the gates of 5D?
    The possibility of that is determined by a slightly different aspect of the collective experience - can we truly picture ourselves as being in a kind of reality which allows both of the main branches I mentioned above being allowed to continue, simultaneously, side by side with one another? Can they split apart so that one reality becomes two? Or are the two main groups of beings "stuck together" in a single reality?

    What if this distinction can itself be manipulated - forcing reality to not be able to split itself apart, or in turn, forcing reality to be able to do so successfully? The real battle is occurring over this one aspect of reality - determining whether the manipulators will keep the evolving beings trapped within their lower vibratory reality or not. Despite whatever indications you may see that they are succeeding in this, further out along the future probability matrix, it is not looking as though they will be able to prevent a 5D exodus. Quite to the contrary, they may see the formula needed for they to also make that same exodus, but only once they have aligned themselves similarly.

    Anyway, "slingshot" may not be as good of a way to picture it as other ways... think of it as a kind of wave, oscillating up more and more into the dimensional range of 5D. So you would be getting a bigger and bigger taste of it in longer and longer moments of sustained alignment. Eventually the totality of the periods of the wave in 5D completely subsume the 3D experience, and you wouldn't picture it as a 3D experience anymore, even if you were having some form of interactions on the 3D plane (in a way) still.

    Quote Whilst in this 3D matrix we live limited and restricted lives which are governed by physical laws and time, 4D is a non-physical realm which is a realm of time and 5D is a timeless realm where the entities residing their live in the eternal now. Did the entities residing in the 5D realm create this vast physical universe (as a virtual world for them to experiment with). I guess if this is the case they could project their consciousness into the liveforms existing in 3D worlds. From their perspective, they witness the experiences and learn the lessons through our small limited lives, in this way we are all part of them, although an unaware part of them and our world for them is a hugely complex virtual reality world.

    It is pretty amazing to think about this concept and approach to existence if this is how it operates. What alternate reality or virtual world do 5D dwellers play for the levels of consciousness above them. These reflected realities of different creations flow all the way back to source itself, but we will probably only be aware of a small amount of this complexity.
    3D virtual realities are a simulation in order to solve complex problems of interaction, mostly. Even more complex simulation problems then involve interactions of 3D and 4D entities. There is no sense in fighting from within to gain control over a virtual reality. The reality is still virtual and simulated, no matter how vast it may seem.

    All realities across all dimensions are simulated ad infinitum, all the "way back" to prime creator. Prime Creator is like a cardinal of an infinite set, you can't really reach it by walking along the numbers of the set in a linear sense.

    So the desire to understand the solutions to complex problems of interaction of discrete entities is what constructs realities across all levels.

    If a problem persists in a simulated reality and a solution is not found, then that reality inevitably progresses to the point where it too faces the same problem, with a level of technology sufficient to simulate realities within itself, where it too will seek to answer the same problem that was sought to be answered one level above.

    So you have kinds of recursive trees that "descend downwards" in the meta-reality ladder from the original answer-seeking reality, until finally, in one of the infinite simulated realities, the solution is found, and that same solution trickles back all the way to the top.

    We are actually in one of the realities that will find such a solution, ending what we will have felt in our higher selves as being a very long series of time loops, and where deja vus were actually remembering our way through very similar versions of the same reality we experienced in what were essentially parallel realities with slight differences.

    So in a way, I could quite positively reply that it is in finding that particular solution that we slingshot to 5D (in other words, being able to clearly indicate the conditions by which new information can enter into a simulated reality, information that was not present anywhere "above" that reality all the way up to the original solution seeker, and using that information to solve the problem).

    There are absolutely no entities with an ability to read this message who would want to prevent such a thing, as doing so would only perpetuate the time loops and repeating of simulated realities until the solution was once again found.

    It is not the applying the information from outside of the system itself that is the solution, it is the mechanism by which that information is allowed to be introduced into the system.

    There is a key pattern of alignment, the very same alignment that allows for, as you call it, the slingshot effect to occur, and also for the information to pass through the equivalent of an unblocked key tunnel (since the alignment allows all of the blocks along the corridor to be pushed out of the way).

    In other words, this is a 2-way corridor, leading to outside of the system.

    I don't mean to be so vague, but the first time translating into the words is always the most difficult.
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    I have learned to see the "Ds" as metaphors (some of the posts here reflect these metaphors). This is what has helped me in having the ability to converse with those who use these 'density' (or 'dimension') words in their dialogue.

    When I look at the meanings folks assign to the various metaphorical densities, I see that there is a depiction of an underlying dynamic that is foundational to a specific point of view. This is why I love the ideology expressed in the phrase "we are multidimensional beings" because if "true" (at least metaphorically) then we can hold different points of view where each are valid.

    I find that folks who get caught up in the argument of whether or not there is a literal (physical) 4D, 5D, etc... where within their argument is an assignment of specific attributes which they then impose as fact are in fact emulating a being overly anchored to form and relatively clueless of "the timeless, formless eternal one life" (note I used those words as a metaphor for what may also be pointed to with the word, 'emptiness') which insinuates an actual lack of openness to theoretical other worldly possibilities.

    It is either their way or 'you need to evolve more spiritually' type of insinuation which reveals a not so subtle 'inner elitism.'

    I say this knowing some might read my post as elitist as well and I wouldn't be able to argue with that comment yet my post is meant to stimulate those who may lean to a black or white view regarding "dimensions" into a more open minded view where terms such as this may at least carry weight metaphorically and perhaps in time a fifth dimension may actually reveal itself beyond what lies in folks imaginations.
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    Default Re: The Truth about the 5th Dimension

    There is relative truth and absolute truth.
    From a spiritual perspective of nonduality dimensions are relative truth---relative because they relate to more than one.
    Absolute truth is One without a second---everything of the same substance.

    Quantum Physics--is said to be about non location, relative truth needs the concept of location to exist.
    Time also needs location. Here to there takes time.

    I hope that is not muddying the water.

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    MEETING THE ANGEL OF DEATH
    The year is 1971 and I am a second year medical student who has only recently been turned loose on the patients. One night as I start my shift of being on call for everything, the nurses in the Pediatric ward call me and asked if I would spend the night with a 16 year old girl who was dying of cystic fibrosis (they had apparently already cleared this with the administration gods). They had her alone in this tower room that you reached by climbing a flight of circular stairs. (This was the oldest part of the University hospital; once the administrator's office.) It was said to be haunted.
    The nurses told me her parents had abandoned her because it was too painful to watch her die. ( If this were a grade-B horror movie this is when the creepy music would have started.) But the room was very cozy with leather chairs, rugs and a large picture window that looked out over a garden in the daytime. My patient was a truly beautiful slender teenager with long blonde hair and blue eyes. She sat in bed holding a large basin filled with arterial blood (bright red) and every few minutes she would sit up and spit more blood into the basin. (FYI cystic fibrosis of this degree usually ends in death before the person reaches 20 years of age. In her case, she was bleeding from an artery in her lungs and we had no technology to fix that then). So, we like each other right away and spend the night talking, until I fall asleep in the bedside chair. About 3am I wake up but feel like I am in a trance, she is sitting up spitting blood in the basin. I say, "I know I am not supposed to say such things to patients, and I can't explain this, but I KNOW if we can make it until morning, everything will be OK". Then I went back to sleep apparently. At early dawn light we are both awake and looking out the window at the dawn, when I see something that looks like a cloud or fog form in front of the window. Then this forms into a figure of a man in a monk's robe,
    with the hood up so you could see his lower face, but his eyes were shadowed. He held a large scythe in his left hand on a long pole. This figure then floated thru the window and appeared to stand on the floor in front of us. Without really thinking I just stood up and stepped between him and my patient and said "You can't have her." My patient is sitting up. She leans around me and says "That's right. I'm not going with you". I see this figure pause, then smile crookedly at one corner of his mouth and I think "My god, the angel of death has a sense of humor". During this pause all kinds of things are happening in my head. Telepathically, the "angel" is showing me a lightening bolt and asking conversationally "Aren't you afraid of getting struck down by lightening?"
    (for interfering presumably) and I reply "I do not wish to be struck by lightening, but I am committed to this action". Then he shows me a picture in my head of a dog with many puppies that we cared for. One day the puppies went out into the woods alone and when found they had formed a circle (butt to butt) and were ferociously barking to defend themselves. I understood that he was implying we were like those helpless puppies. THIS is when I saw him give the crooked smile. Then we all just stood there for a minute and the figure floated back up and out the window and disappeared. The young lady turns to me and says "Did you just see what I saw". I reply I think so. Tell me what you saw. Well we compare our stories and they agree and by this time it's after 5am and I'm being paged overhead, so I have to leave. NOW FOR THE GOOD PART
    It's about 8 months later. I am running towards the Internal Medicine clinic and am being paged overhead because I am late. As I run by this open door I hear this girl call my name and I know it is her and run over to her, thinking I don't care if the chief of medicine kills me, I am going to see her and find out what happened. She tells me "The most wonderful things have happened.
    Instead of dying I just stopped bleeding and all signs of the cystic fibrosis were gone. You know, I never got to be a normal student, always missing school and unable to attend events. Well, now I'm a track star. And a cheerleader!! I can do everything. Although the doctors keep telling me it's impossible that my cystic fibrosis went away and that I'm still going to die, I don't believe them. And best of all, this year has been so great that I don't care. Because I got to kiss a boy." (This is a shortened version of the conversation, of course.) For many years I wondered how this could happen (her cystic fibrosis disappearing) until I realized her DNA had to have been changed. But in 1971 we were taught this was not possible. My peeps tell me she is still alive today and that I will meet before this lifetime is over. Also I realized that the scene put into my head about the puppies would not happen for another 10 years after 1971, it happened in the 1980ties.
    This is not the first time I have found that time is not linear.

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    Quote Posted by triquetra (here)
    Quote Posted by Scottoz (here)
    I would be interested in your thoughts on the main concrete possibilities going forward as we make the transition?
    Perhaps you see the main branches by this point. There are signs of serious struggle in darker agendas as the commotion on the surface of reality is beginning to border on the ridiculous. So there is a trend towards beginning to move away from this.

    However there was an effort to keep the illusions woven until global stress could grow as a result of emerging crises. Then the rest would take care of itself. If civilization began to break down, then a natural evolution away from the ability to be manipulated within the population would become irrelevant. Civilization would not be able to upend itself, casting off the manipulators in favor of the radical growth of a cooperative movement of truly evolved human beings.

    That was the intention anyway. (As if that were the case, it might be possible to continue another cycle of civilization with the same manipulation structures in place)

    And so there are only two main branches of possibilities, really, that are still scrapping it out to determine which path into the future we will ultimately take. There are some wild cards remaining, but that would grow this topic significantly. It would be better to show those cards in action than to idly discuss them anyway.

    Quote So in many ways if a group of us work at raising our vibrations and apply some of the new information which will be getting access to in the future, we will be on such a widely different path from the others deeply asleep in the "illusion", that it will kind of function as a slingshot out of this 3D matrix to the gates of 5D?
    The possibility of that is determined by a slightly different aspect of the collective experience - can we truly picture ourselves as being in a kind of reality which allows both of the main branches I mentioned above being allowed to continue, simultaneously, side by side with one another? Can they split apart so that one reality becomes two? Or are the two main groups of beings "stuck together" in a single reality?

    What if this distinction can itself be manipulated - forcing reality to not be able to split itself apart, or in turn, forcing reality to be able to do so successfully? The real battle is occurring over this one aspect of reality - determining whether the manipulators will keep the evolving beings trapped within their lower vibratory reality or not. Despite whatever indications you may see that they are succeeding in this, further out along the future probability matrix, it is not looking as though they will be able to prevent a 5D exodus. Quite to the contrary, they may see the formula needed for they to also make that same exodus, but only once they have aligned themselves similarly.

    Anyway, "slingshot" may not be as good of a way to picture it as other ways... think of it as a kind of wave, oscillating up more and more into the dimensional range of 5D. So you would be getting a bigger and bigger taste of it in longer and longer moments of sustained alignment. Eventually the totality of the periods of the wave in 5D completely subsume the 3D experience, and you wouldn't picture it as a 3D experience anymore, even if you were having some form of interactions on the 3D plane (in a way) still.

    Quote Whilst in this 3D matrix we live limited and restricted lives which are governed by physical laws and time, 4D is a non-physical realm which is a realm of time and 5D is a timeless realm where the entities residing their live in the eternal now. Did the entities residing in the 5D realm create this vast physical universe (as a virtual world for them to experiment with). I guess if this is the case they could project their consciousness into the liveforms existing in 3D worlds. From their perspective, they witness the experiences and learn the lessons through our small limited lives, in this way we are all part of them, although an unaware part of them and our world for them is a hugely complex virtual reality world.

    It is pretty amazing to think about this concept and approach to existence if this is how it operates. What alternate reality or virtual world do 5D dwellers play for the levels of consciousness above them. These reflected realities of different creations flow all the way back to source itself, but we will probably only be aware of a small amount of this complexity.
    3D virtual realities are a simulation in order to solve complex problems of interaction, mostly. Even more complex simulation problems then involve interactions of 3D and 4D entities. There is no sense in fighting from within to gain control over a virtual reality. The reality is still virtual and simulated, no matter how vast it may seem.

    All realities across all dimensions are simulated ad infinitum, all the "way back" to prime creator. Prime Creator is like a cardinal of an infinite set, you can't really reach it by walking along the numbers of the set in a linear sense.

    So the desire to understand the solutions to complex problems of interaction of discrete entities is what constructs realities across all levels.

    If a problem persists in a simulated reality and a solution is not found, then that reality inevitably progresses to the point where it too faces the same problem, with a level of technology sufficient to simulate realities within itself, where it too will seek to answer the same problem that was sought to be answered one level above.

    So you have kinds of recursive trees that "descend downwards" in the meta-reality ladder from the original answer-seeking reality, until finally, in one of the infinite simulated realities, the solution is found, and that same solution trickles back all the way to the top.

    We are actually in one of the realities that will find such a solution, ending what we will have felt in our higher selves as being a very long series of time loops, and where deja vus were actually remembering our way through very similar versions of the same reality we experienced in what were essentially parallel realities with slight differences.

    So in a way, I could quite positively reply that it is in finding that particular solution that we slingshot to 5D (in other words, being able to clearly indicate the conditions by which new information can enter into a simulated reality, information that was not present anywhere "above" that reality all the way up to the original solution seeker, and using that information to solve the problem).

    There are absolutely no entities with an ability to read this message who would want to prevent such a thing, as doing so would only perpetuate the time loops and repeating of simulated realities until the solution was once again found.

    It is not the applying the information from outside of the system itself that is the solution, it is the mechanism by which that information is allowed to be introduced into the system.

    There is a key pattern of alignment, the very same alignment that allows for, as you call it, the slingshot effect to occur, and also for the information to pass through the equivalent of an unblocked key tunnel (since the alignment allows all of the blocks along the corridor to be pushed out of the way).

    In other words, this is a 2-way corridor, leading to outside of the system.

    I don't mean to be so vague, but the first time translating into the words is always the most difficult.
    Hi Triquetra

    Thanks for answering my questions. What you are saying makes sense. It is always hard to put these concepts into words.

    Cheers

    Scott

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    Thanks Scott. Often I am partially intending messages for other particular readers who are not members of the forum who will be able to get other takeaways.

    Again, the key point for them is that they need to better understand the particular sentence:
    Quote It is not the applying the information from outside of the system itself that is the solution, it is the mechanism by which that information is allowed to be introduced into the system.
    This is crucial as it applies to inversion of control. But as always, when an entity is about to fall from a cliff and another entity grabs their hand at the last moment to pull them back up, it is that falling entities sole decision whether to allow themselves to be pulled up again or to fall.

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    Bumping

    Introducing the new version into the system is simply us evolving individually, letting our own 5D slip in. Where the soul, the personal truth, resides.

    Quote Posted by Scottoz (here)
    Quote Posted by triquetra (here)
    Quote Posted by Scottoz (here)
    I would be interested in your thoughts on the main concrete possibilities going forward as we make the transition?
    Perhaps you see the main branches by this point. There are signs of serious struggle in darker agendas as the commotion on the surface of reality is beginning to border on the ridiculous. So there is a trend towards beginning to move away from this.

    However there was an effort to keep the illusions woven until global stress could grow as a result of emerging crises. Then the rest would take care of itself. If civilization began to break down, then a natural evolution away from the ability to be manipulated within the population would become irrelevant. Civilization would not be able to upend itself, casting off the manipulators in favor of the radical growth of a cooperative movement of truly evolved human beings.

    That was the intention anyway. (As if that were the case, it might be possible to continue another cycle of civilization with the same manipulation structures in place)

    And so there are only two main branches of possibilities, really, that are still scrapping it out to determine which path into the future we will ultimately take. There are some wild cards remaining, but that would grow this topic significantly. It would be better to show those cards in action than to idly discuss them anyway.

    Quote So in many ways if a group of us work at raising our vibrations and apply some of the new information which will be getting access to in the future, we will be on such a widely different path from the others deeply asleep in the "illusion", that it will kind of function as a slingshot out of this 3D matrix to the gates of 5D?
    The possibility of that is determined by a slightly different aspect of the collective experience - can we truly picture ourselves as being in a kind of reality which allows both of the main branches I mentioned above being allowed to continue, simultaneously, side by side with one another? Can they split apart so that one reality becomes two? Or are the two main groups of beings "stuck together" in a single reality?

    What if this distinction can itself be manipulated - forcing reality to not be able to split itself apart, or in turn, forcing reality to be able to do so successfully? The real battle is occurring over this one aspect of reality - determining whether the manipulators will keep the evolving beings trapped within their lower vibratory reality or not. Despite whatever indications you may see that they are succeeding in this, further out along the future probability matrix, it is not looking as though they will be able to prevent a 5D exodus. Quite to the contrary, they may see the formula needed for they to also make that same exodus, but only once they have aligned themselves similarly.

    Anyway, "slingshot" may not be as good of a way to picture it as other ways... think of it as a kind of wave, oscillating up more and more into the dimensional range of 5D. So you would be getting a bigger and bigger taste of it in longer and longer moments of sustained alignment. Eventually the totality of the periods of the wave in 5D completely subsume the 3D experience, and you wouldn't picture it as a 3D experience anymore, even if you were having some form of interactions on the 3D plane (in a way) still.

    Quote Whilst in this 3D matrix we live limited and restricted lives which are governed by physical laws and time, 4D is a non-physical realm which is a realm of time and 5D is a timeless realm where the entities residing their live in the eternal now. Did the entities residing in the 5D realm create this vast physical universe (as a virtual world for them to experiment with). I guess if this is the case they could project their consciousness into the liveforms existing in 3D worlds. From their perspective, they witness the experiences and learn the lessons through our small limited lives, in this way we are all part of them, although an unaware part of them and our world for them is a hugely complex virtual reality world.

    It is pretty amazing to think about this concept and approach to existence if this is how it operates. What alternate reality or virtual world do 5D dwellers play for the levels of consciousness above them. These reflected realities of different creations flow all the way back to source itself, but we will probably only be aware of a small amount of this complexity.
    3D virtual realities are a simulation in order to solve complex problems of interaction, mostly. Even more complex simulation problems then involve interactions of 3D and 4D entities. There is no sense in fighting from within to gain control over a virtual reality. The reality is still virtual and simulated, no matter how vast it may seem.

    All realities across all dimensions are simulated ad infinitum, all the "way back" to prime creator. Prime Creator is like a cardinal of an infinite set, you can't really reach it by walking along the numbers of the set in a linear sense.

    So the desire to understand the solutions to complex problems of interaction of discrete entities is what constructs realities across all levels.

    If a problem persists in a simulated reality and a solution is not found, then that reality inevitably progresses to the point where it too faces the same problem, with a level of technology sufficient to simulate realities within itself, where it too will seek to answer the same problem that was sought to be answered one level above.

    So you have kinds of recursive trees that "descend downwards" in the meta-reality ladder from the original answer-seeking reality, until finally, in one of the infinite simulated realities, the solution is found, and that same solution trickles back all the way to the top.

    We are actually in one of the realities that will find such a solution, ending what we will have felt in our higher selves as being a very long series of time loops, and where deja vus were actually remembering our way through very similar versions of the same reality we experienced in what were essentially parallel realities with slight differences.

    So in a way, I could quite positively reply that it is in finding that particular solution that we slingshot to 5D (in other words, being able to clearly indicate the conditions by which new information can enter into a simulated reality, information that was not present anywhere "above" that reality all the way up to the original solution seeker, and using that information to solve the problem).

    There are absolutely no entities with an ability to read this message who would want to prevent such a thing, as doing so would only perpetuate the time loops and repeating of simulated realities until the solution was once again found.

    It is not the applying the information from outside of the system itself that is the solution, it is the mechanism by which that information is allowed to be introduced into the system.

    There is a key pattern of alignment, the very same alignment that allows for, as you call it, the slingshot effect to occur, and also for the information to pass through the equivalent of an unblocked key tunnel (since the alignment allows all of the blocks along the corridor to be pushed out of the way).

    In other words, this is a 2-way corridor, leading to outside of the system.

    I don't mean to be so vague, but the first time translating into the words is always the most difficult.
    Hi Triquetra

    Thanks for answering my questions. What you are saying makes sense. It is always hard to put these concepts into words.

    Cheers

    Scott
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    I know it must seem more unlikely than ever in light of recent events - but those same events are what will cause even more veils to fall away, opening up and preparing the world to a deeper understanding of why everything is happening the way it is happening, what it means for us, and where we can go from here.

    There are certainly many more dimensions even beyond the 5th, and there is a structure and purpose for everything, including the part we play here. The challenge is to understand the furthest reaching motivations - in terms of time, distance, and even dimensional distance. The hierarchies of everything are not always as rigid as they seem.

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