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    The Richie Allen Show on Davidicke.com: Piers Corbyn -
    'China/US Climate Change Deal Is an Ideological Attack On Us All'

    By David on 7 September 2016 GMT




    Published on 6 Sep 2016

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    Italian meteorologist – Data manipulated to make people believe in global warming

    By Robert September 14, 2016

    There are ongoing attempts to distort the data in global temperatures, says Italian meteorologist Colonel Paolo Ernani.

    This process is particularly evident in surface temperature data from the United States. Plus, look at the exchange of e-mails between the various researchers worried that actual temperature measurements conflict with their theory.

    I personally denounced this misbehavior on December 4, 2015 in an article entitled ” Global Warming and Climate Change! What a mess.”

    Excerpts from above article by Col. Paul Ernani, climatologist.
    (This was in Italian. Please let me know if I have paraphrased it incorrectly.)

    Why is there this desire to convince the public that the Earth is heading towards an inexorable rise in temperature? What’s behind it? What interests are being served?

    The majority of the media is always talking about Global Warming as something already acquired, as if it were real, when in fact there are many scientists and scholars who do not agree on that.

    Supporters of Global warming, the so-called “caldisti”, use that term less and less. Today it is increasingly popular to use the term “climate change.”

    What does that (climate change) mean? It’s ambiguous. It lends itself to multiple interpretations. Perhaps their models are imperfect and not very reliable. We have suggested they include “Sunspots” in their models to improve reliability, but it did not help.

    The temperature of our planet is quite correlated with this variable. Recent studies reinforce even more the link between temperature on Earth and sun spots. The news these days say the Earth’s temperature could rise between 4-6 degrees Celsius degrees by the end of the century, and dues to melting ice, many coastal cities will be submerged.

    Does it seem strange that these hypothetical disasters are announced in conjunction with the conference on climate change in Paris?

    It is good to remember that one of the largest and most powerful controllers of climate is water vapor. Even so, they want to sponsor the Green Energy.

    The I.P.C.C. subsidizes many research institutions and universities, and this is certainly fine. But, hypothetically, if their research shows that the temperature of the globe is not increasing, they may remain silent in order to not create embarrassment to those who finance them.

    Solar activity underestimated
    More disturbing is the fact that the President is not preparing the country for the coming difficult times because of the dangerous changes in solar activity. The sun is the primary source of climate change. Reducing the energy radiated will lead to a new cold climate and we will all face a more difficult future totally unprepared.

    http://www.ilmeteo.it/portale/meteo-...global-warming
    http://www.freddofili.it/11827-globa...he-confusione/

    Thanks to Dr Mirco Poletto in Italy for these links

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    Massive Cover-up – Global cooling papers deleted

    By Robert September 17, 2016

    Hijacking Wikipedia and rewriting history by painting the 1970s Global Cooling Scare as an urban myth.

    “Beginning in 2003, software engineer William Connolley quietly removed the highly inconvenient references to the global cooling scare of the 1970s from Wikipedia, the world’s most influential and accessed informational source,” says this article by Stephen Nigel Strutt.

    “It had to be done. Too many skeptics were (correctly) pointing out that the scientific “consensus” during the 1960s and 1970s was that the Earth had been cooling for decades, and that nascent theorizing regarding the potential for a CO2-induced global warming were still questionable and uncertain.


    ^The actual data^

    Not only did Connolley — a co-founder (along with Michael Mann and Gavin Schmidt) of the realclimate.com blog — successfully remove (or rewrite) the history of the 1970s global cooling scare from the Wikipedia record, he also erased (or rewrote) references to the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age so as to help create the impression that the paleoclimate is shaped like Mann’s hockey stick graph, with unprecedented and dangerous 20th/21st century warmth.”





    ^The fudged data^



    Read more:
    “Massive Cover-Up Exposed:
    Lying Alarmists Rebranded 70s Global Cooling Scare as a Myth”
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/14/massive-cover-exposed-lying-alarmists-rebranded-70s-global-cooling-scare-myth/

    “Massive Cover-up Exposed: 285 Papers From 1960s-’80s
    Reveal Robust Global Cooling Scientific ‘Consensus’”
    http://www.outofthebottomlesspit.co.uk/420939961

    Thanks to Mike Wiltshire and Stephen Nigel Strutt for these links

    Massive Cover-up Exposed: 285 Papers From 1960s-’80s Reveal Robust Global Cooling Scientific ‘Consensus’ By Kenneth Richard on 13. September 2016 - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2016/09/13/m....xJ5lxcj7.dpuf

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    All i can tell you is that here, in Eastern Canada, it has never been so hot for so long. Warm weather started in April and will go on to at least the end of September. My 82 years old mom has never seen this, nor the science data.

    To tell the truth, i love it. But it tells me something is wrong with the planet or with our sun. Or who knows....

    One thing for sure, any wide spread of methane gaz release from under the Artic permafrost would be terrible for the whole mammal species including humans.
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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    All i can tell you is that here, in Eastern Canada, it has never been so hot for so long. Warm weather started in April and will go on to at least the end of September. My 82 years old mom has never seen this, nor the science data.

    To tell the truth, i love it. But it tells me something is wrong with the planet or with our sun. Or who knows....
    Simple explanation:

    The polar vortex is centered above russia / east asia... not over the arctic, thus North america will get a less harsh/cold winter this year (assuming everything goes as predicted).

    Nothing wrong with the planet, the only REAL place to look for planetary changes is the equator, as it is the most stable and changes in weather / temps will be instantly noticeable.

    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    One thing for sure, any wide spread of methane gaz release from under the Artic permafrost would be terrible for the whole mammal species including humans.
    But we don't know that for sure, it's just a guess, and a bad guess IMO & if you base it off historical records.

    "global warming" has historically been GREAT for all living things.

    "global cooling" has historically been when GREAT die offs happen, plagues, bad things.. we WANT global warming!
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    As many as ten million underwater volcanoes currently estimated

    By Robert W. Felix November 16, 2016 Robert

    Ten million underwater volcanoes

    And we wonder what is heating our seas

    We’ve learned a lot in the last 25 years, especially when it comes to underwater volcanoes. When I began researching and writing Not by Fire but by Ice in 1991, scientists guestimated that there were 10,000 submarine volcanoes in the entire world.

    Two years later, marine geophysicists discovered 1,133 previously unmapped underwater volcanoes off the coast of Easter Island.

    And they were huge. (Still are.) Some of the newly-found volcanoes rose almost 1½ miles above the seafloor. Even then, their peaks remained about 1½ miles below the water’s surface. They’re packed into a relatively small area about the size of New York state.

    We have no idea how many volcanoes may be lurking beneath the seas. What we do know, is that they are pumping awesome amounts of red-hot basalt – up to 1,200ºC (2,200ºF) hot – into the inky black water.


    Superheated molten lava about 1,200ºC (2,200ºF) erupts, producing a bright flash as it blows into the water before settling back to the sea floor. Image courtesy of NSF and NOAA Beginning with the first edition of Not by Fire but by Ice, I made the audacious suggestion that those underwater volcanoes were heating our seas. (See Chapter 10, “Fish Stew.” )

    Global-warming alarmists scoffed. A mere 11,000 submarine volcanoes could not possibly be heating the seas. Impossible. After all, the oceans cover 71 percent of our planet.

    But the number of underwater volcanoes kept climbing. By 2005, NASA was forced to admit that there might be one million submarine volcanoes. As many as 75,000 of those underwater behemoths soar half-a-mile above the surrounding seafloor and several thousand of those, in turn, might be active.

    Even so, global-warming alarmists never wavered. One million underwater volcanoes were not enough to heat the seas.

    Still, the discoveries kept coming.

    Soon, the estimated number of submarine volcanoes had jumped to more than three million.

    But any thought that three million underwater volcanoes might affect ocean temperature was considered heretical. I mean, natural forces couldn’t possibly be heating the seas. Could they? Let’s keep blaming humans.

    How long can this denial continue? Especially with ever more discoveries coming to light.

    Reader Joe Franco just sent me a study by professors Fisher and Wheat that estimates the number of hydrothermally active seamounts at somewhere between 100,000 and 10,000,000. (“Hydrothermally active” means they are heating the water.)

    You read that right: Ten million!

    The two professors base their conclusion on the fact that a significant fraction of the seamounts already surveyed appear to be hydrothermally active.

    These seamounts are also huge. As many as a million of those planetary-sized hot water heaters have a diameter greater than 7 km and stand more than 2 km high (more than 4.2 miles across and 1.2 miles high).

    That’s taller than New Hampshire’s Mt. Washington, which, at 6,289 feet, stands almost exactly 1.2 miles high. Mt. Washington is the highest peak in the Northeastern United States

    As if that weren’t enough, Fisher and Wheat estimate that another 1 to 10 million smaller hydrothermal features (such as black smokers) may dot the ocean floor. Those “smaller hydrothermal features” stand some 100 meters (330 ft) high.

    So, what do we have here?

    A “significant fraction” of a million seamounts taller than Mount Washington, and up to ten million smaller hydrothermal features, the height of a 30-story building, are pumping vast amounts of heat into the seas, and we refuse to admit that they could be affecting ocean temperatures?

    I think it’s time to wake up.

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    HA Funny Silent Feather!

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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    As many as ten million underwater volcanoes currently estimated

    By Robert W. Felix November 16, 2016 Robert

    Ten million underwater volcanoes

    And we wonder what is heating our seas

    We’ve learned a lot in the last 25 years, especially when it comes to underwater volcanoes. When I began researching and writing Not by Fire but by Ice in 1991, scientists guestimated that there were 10,000 submarine volcanoes in the entire world.

    Two years later, marine geophysicists discovered 1,133 previously unmapped underwater volcanoes off the coast of Easter Island.

    And they were huge. (Still are.) Some of the newly-found volcanoes rose almost 1½ miles above the seafloor. Even then, their peaks remained about 1½ miles below the water’s surface. They’re packed into a relatively small area about the size of New York state.

    We have no idea how many volcanoes may be lurking beneath the seas. What we do know, is that they are pumping awesome amounts of red-hot basalt – up to 1,200ºC (2,200ºF) hot – into the inky black water.


    Superheated molten lava about 1,200ºC (2,200ºF) erupts, producing a bright flash as it blows into the water before settling back to the sea floor. Image courtesy of NSF and NOAA Beginning with the first edition of Not by Fire but by Ice, I made the audacious suggestion that those underwater volcanoes were heating our seas. (See Chapter 10, “Fish Stew.” )

    Global-warming alarmists scoffed. A mere 11,000 submarine volcanoes could not possibly be heating the seas. Impossible. After all, the oceans cover 71 percent of our planet.

    But the number of underwater volcanoes kept climbing. By 2005, NASA was forced to admit that there might be one million submarine volcanoes. As many as 75,000 of those underwater behemoths soar half-a-mile above the surrounding seafloor and several thousand of those, in turn, might be active.

    Even so, global-warming alarmists never wavered. One million underwater volcanoes were not enough to heat the seas.

    Still, the discoveries kept coming.

    Soon, the estimated number of submarine volcanoes had jumped to more than three million.

    But any thought that three million underwater volcanoes might affect ocean temperature was considered heretical. I mean, natural forces couldn’t possibly be heating the seas. Could they? Let’s keep blaming humans.

    How long can this denial continue? Especially with ever more discoveries coming to light.

    Reader Joe Franco just sent me a study by professors Fisher and Wheat that estimates the number of hydrothermally active seamounts at somewhere between 100,000 and 10,000,000. (“Hydrothermally active” means they are heating the water.)

    You read that right: Ten million!

    The two professors base their conclusion on the fact that a significant fraction of the seamounts already surveyed appear to be hydrothermally active.

    These seamounts are also huge. As many as a million of those planetary-sized hot water heaters have a diameter greater than 7 km and stand more than 2 km high (more than 4.2 miles across and 1.2 miles high).

    That’s taller than New Hampshire’s Mt. Washington, which, at 6,289 feet, stands almost exactly 1.2 miles high. Mt. Washington is the highest peak in the Northeastern United States

    As if that weren’t enough, Fisher and Wheat estimate that another 1 to 10 million smaller hydrothermal features (such as black smokers) may dot the ocean floor. Those “smaller hydrothermal features” stand some 100 meters (330 ft) high.

    So, what do we have here?

    A “significant fraction” of a million seamounts taller than Mount Washington, and up to ten million smaller hydrothermal features, the height of a 30-story building, are pumping vast amounts of heat into the seas, and we refuse to admit that they could be affecting ocean temperatures?

    I think it’s time to wake up.
    thanks Herve,
    this sounds really important....
    and as Robert Felix previously said:
    when you get increased vulcanic activity under the oceans combined with athmospheric cooling, you get high water evaporation followed by heavy snow ie. ice age...

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    Quote Posted by meat suit (here)
    [...]
    and as Robert Felix previously said:
    when you get increased vulcanic activity under the oceans combined with atmospheric cooling, you get high water evaporation followed by heavy snow ie. ice age...
    ...

    Bingo!

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    The North Pole is an insane 36 degrees warmer than normal as winter descends
    according to washington post anyway....
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2715fc26b379

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Current global Sea ice levels are 7 standard deviations away from the climatic 'norm' , that's a 1 in 100 billion chance of it occurring randomly in Nature.

    I've read back a few posts and am a little disappointed in some of the ( to me?) craziness being suggested as 'causal' for what we see at both ends of the planet.

    Firstly we must know each Pole and its Sea ice. Antarctica is a continent fringed with ice, the Arctic is an open polar ocean surrounded by land masses. Straight away we can see that there must be big differences in the running of both systems? Antarctica is surrounded by a mainly perennial pack whereas , historically, the Arctic held a majority of 'Paleocryistic ice' ( ice over 10 years, or more, old) .

    Whilst the Deniers were yelling 'Squirrel' and pointing to high ice cover in Antarctica we were bleeding away the last of the Paleocryistic ice ( all gone by 2010). They took to using the 'Sunshine Hour' denier site to provide complementary 'global Sea ice' extent/area images. The increase in Antarctic extent would reduce the overall impacts of Arctic ice loss ( much bigger numbers down south than up north) but this practice screeched to a halt in August as Antarctic Sea ice began to tumble. For years Science had been explaining that a combination of our messing up the ozone in the Stratosphere and Natural ,cyclical events, in the Pacific ( all coupled with a lot of fresh melt waters flooding the coastal regions of Antarctica where the 'ice factories' are situated) . In 2014 the Pacific flipped signs to positive and we began to see some repair of the Ozone hole . When you look at 2014 you can see the August bulge as ice pushed out into the Southern Ocean. At the time , and with the help of the sat. images, it was easy to see that this was the pack breaking up at winters end and no 'growth spurt' as some sectors were pushing. We saw similar last Aug but by this Aug ice levels were already so low that there was not enough for a 'bloom' and ice just plummeted.

    Without the augmentation of the IPO/PDO and Ozone hole Antarctic Sea ice will fall back to the levels we saw in the late 70's when a similar set up existed. Sadly global Oceans and temps have risen since then so we should expect the decline to continue in line with the modelled responses.

    As for the Arctic? Well the heat pouring into , and out of?, the basin has delayed both refreeze and ice thickening so far this freeze season. Even with 24hr darkness now encamped we saw temps at the pole in positive figures last week ( as we saw late December last year?). This is without precedent and must cause us to pause for thought when looking a weather models as some of the start parameters are now outside those the model is programmed to run with ( why would you go beyond 4 standard Deviations in a model if that captures 99.994% of all potentials out there?) and so tend back toward the climatic 'norm' as the run progresses. In reality we have seen over 6 weeks of these extremes 'back to back' and so these 2 week model runs are wrong by T 24 as their Arctic values swing back to what the model is programmed to expect?

    Recently climate scientists have been having a wobble about both poles suffering from their polar vortices collapsing at the same time ( this is normal in spring so Antarctica, though early, is in line with normal workings whereas the Arctic should be forming its winter polar vortex by now not seeing it collapse?) I think this is merely the model trying to make sense of inputs beyond its ability to recognise? In reality I do not think we will see our N.Hemisphere collapse and this will go toward my mistrust of the models recently. As to what will occur? I have no idea apart from it will be extreme and , after the event, will be in line with a rapidly warming planet suffering with the fastest increases in GHG's we have ever seen.

    I'm a great believer in Mother Nature

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Global warming fraud: NOAA shows record warming where NO temperature stations exist

    Adapt 2030 YouTube Sun, 20 Nov 2016 06:57 UTC



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    NOAA shows record warm temperatures where there are no temperature monitoring stations or ocean buoys, that is straight up fraud. From Africa, Middle East and Antarctica, all made up data. All the while second most snow for Northern Hemisphere and RSS land stations show strong cooling and the sunspots are gone from our Sun three years early on the regular 11 year solar cycle.

    Sources:
    NOAA September Temperature Fraud
    "The Abnormal Warmth That Prevailed In The First Half Of The 20th Century" deleted 1970's cooling
    October Global Temperature Down a Little from September
    www.drroyspencer.com/
    International Comprehensive Ocean-Atmosphere Data Set (ICOADS)
    Record Global Cooling Over The Last Eight Months
    Global 2 meter anomalies
    Sun spotless again 11/20
    Northern hemisphere historical snow cover

    SOTT Comment:
    See also:
    See also:
    Roads blocked by snow in areas of Algeria

    Robert Felix
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    Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:17 UTC


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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Then... there's also this to compound the matter:

    Record rain and snow as Cosmic Rays increase; biased media only focuses on heat

    Adapt 2030 YouTube Mon, 07 Nov 2016 06:29 UTC


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    Record rainfalls continue across the planet. Focusing on western USA as an example the records being broken are in the 4-6X range, hot just a bit over the last record since records began 100+ years prior. The media will not tell you that it is because of Galactic Cosmic Rays causing more clouds as our Sun weakens to the lowest in centuries. More records to be smashed, but TV focuses on heat records.

    Sources:
    Ice age now
    Alaska & B.C. Forecast To See Up to 8-Feet of Snow Next 10-Days
    Colorado weather advisory
    Lake Tahoe wettest in over a century
    Northern California wettest in over 100 years
    5 passes in California close due to heavy snow
    California's Sierra Nevada sees snowfall
    October Snow anomaly 2016
    Romanian site covers story on Sierra Nevada snow, not USA weather sites
    Wettest October ever in Seattle
    Record heat makes national news

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration adjustments correspond exactly to their confirmation bias

    Tony Heller Real Climate Science Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:48 UTC


    Thermometers show the US cooling since about 1920, but NOAA massively cools the past to create the appearance of a warming trend.



    These adjustments make a spectacular hockey stick of data tampering.


    When plotted against atmospheric CO2, the correlation is almost perfect. NOAA is tampering with the data to exactly match their theory.

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    Weather is NOT Climate!



    Published on 28 Nov 2016


    SHOW NOTES: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=17535
    No, weather is NOT climate...even when it's warm outside. But in
    case there's a climate cultist in your life that insists otherwise,
    here are some facts about global warming and vaguely-defined
    "extreme" weather that you can use to talk some sense into them.


    other articles on ...............
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1113487

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    First part they touch on climate change...



    Published on 1 Dec 2016

    Welcome to New World Next Week — the video series from Corbett Report and Media
    Monarchy that covers some of the most important developments in open source
    intelligence news. In this week’s episode:

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    Default Magnetic reason for climate change

    I've been searching for information about magnetism as it relates to the planet's magnetic field because I asked myself the question; "Why did the Reptilians choose the South Pole region to occupy underground caverns when there are caverns all over the planet?"

    I remembered hearing a person say in an interview with Jeff Rense a long time ago that being in the south pole position of a magnetic field is very good and healing for the body.

    That lead me to eventually finding this interview with Dr Dean Bonlie. He's actually marketing a product, a magnetic sleep mattress, but what he says in this interview is very relevant to the subject of this thread.

    The relevant bits are in parts 1 and 2 of the 3 part video.

    Part 1: ( from the 6 minute point onward )


    Part 2: ( up to the 2 minute point )
    ..................................................my first language is TYPO..............................................

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    Default Re: The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean?

    maybe that's what the underground city unearthed in turkey thaat could house over 10,000 , to protect the imhabitants against an iceage ? ( in know a lot theorised it was to safeguard the occupants against sun or comets meteor impact etc) the ice age thing never occured to me before based on the climate there

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