Is this becoming the all Charles forum

[Brandie]

Posted by blackatiam (here)
It is ok if what Charles is presenting to us does not reasonate with you, you have every right not to listen or consider what he is saying. Be free!! However, I think it is rude to insult our "guest" while he is in our midst. That's just bad manners.

I have to wonder if you read my entire post. ? Pretty sure you completely misunderstood the entire point. Hmm.

[Envagyok]

In reference to the Agape's statement:

I have decided to finally join the Avalon Forum after years of following Project camelots interviews specifically because of the Charles material, but could I honestly and respectfully suggest this is a search for information that may or may not concern me in regards to what I need for my path and were I perfectly understand your meaning of sitting at the masters feet, I feel that it truely lies within everyone wether they are sitters or truth searchers. You can not find the truth if you do not search for the truth. To be respectful to the messanger no matter who he flies his flag for only secures that you will receive a message what we do with that message will depend on who we are. So for me I would like to listen to everyones messages so that I may discern for myself what is important for me, and so where I am, again and thankfully reminded by your message of caution I am also thankful for the chance to hear Charles' message. Very Respectfully yours, Envagyok

This discussion echos the quote used by Eris23 "Read everything. Believe absolutely nothing, unless you can prove it in your own right." ---Milton William Cooper.

[Alliamber]

Thank you so much Brandie for your insight. I am new to Avalon and I do not always have the best way with words so I appreciate everyone heres patience and goodwill toward new folks. I have followed Bill and this forum for awhile now, not trying to be a "Lurker". I am just another person who has awakened to what has been going on. I have implemented changes in how I live my life and try to of those in my family as well . I know that the information that I have received from the folks here at project avalon and even to a certain extent from project camelot has given me direction and insights into myself and others I may have otherwise overlooked. I have not asked Charles a question because I have not thought of a good one to yet that another member or Bill hasn't already asked. I would like it if some of the more enlightened members might start a thread that asked members how humanity can work together honestly to show these 33 or the elites or who or whatever they are that we can make a better future that does not include mass genocide of people, or totalitarian rule of the few over the many. Thanks in advance

[Crake]

Charles,

My deepest respects for all that you do. You are necessary. You are a formidable player in this game we call life and wear the hat well.

I know that if we want to move beyond this “duality/double-blindedness” we need to accept the fact that the darkness serves us just as much as the light and if we expect to “graduate” without embracing this reality then we are doomed to repeat the past. It is all or none.

I feel that these false flag events are necessary for our evolution at this time. We often frown upon the movers and shakers of the world, but if the matrix is truly a reflection of our internal state then this shows us how much introspection is truly necessary before we can truly rebalance ourselves. According to this projected reality we are in serious fear and denial of who we truly are.

What fascinates me most about your appearance is not so much the information you share and are about to reveal, but the reaction of this “following”.

I feel as though individuals that look up to you as a savior/truth-bearer/protector have not yet found that inner light which resides within every individual.

I feel as though individuals that see you as a threat/evil/deceiver have yet to face the true darkness which resides within every individual.

I see you as a brother. I am you and you are me. We may have had very different experiences in this lifetime, but from where I come from love is unconditional.

See you on the other side.

P.S. Michael says, hi

[blackatiam]

Posted by Brandie (here)
I have to wonder if you read my entire post. ? Pretty sure you completely misunderstood the entire point. Hmm.

Sorry Brandie. I was just using your quote as a reference point. I was trying to address the whole thread is all, i guess not very well. Sorry if I was misunderstood. I agreed with you, though.

[Annie]

This news is a little disconcerting.Within the boundaries of respect I have the impression that the purpose of the Avalonians is to gather information and question events and information on a variety of subjects and lvl's. Charles definitely falls into the category of the unknown.

[Brandie]

Posted by Nela (here)
This post triggered an interesting question to ponder.
Can anyone really be "taken out" just like that? I don't know and can not claim this to be true, but here is an interesting idea:
A person can not be killed if their intent made in a different, higher state of being (before incarnation) is to fulfill ceratin misson and if lessons that the entity whishes to learn
do not resonate with the experiance of being a victim in this way. That would be a certain statement of free will on one level. Next, if an incarnated being (having its own free will up to a certain level), in spite of being veiled and to certain extent "blind" to this higher intent, release need to control its life experiance and fear for its own life and dedicate itself to that incarnational mission in a state of faith, this intent can not be negated by any entity in the same plane of existance (i.e. within the game), so it can not be killed. There must be something that prevents this, otherwise they would just "take out" anyone who starts to awaken, and therefore any potential "problem" would be removed even before it has any chance of becoming a problem.

What are your opinion on this?

Hi Nela,

I may be way off base here because I am super sleepy, but here is my initial thought in response to your question.

I've heard it said there are 'rules' that non human beings go by. (Oddly enough!) From a human perspective it may not seem this could be the case but I believe it makes sense. If I am not mistaken I think this could also relate to what Charles is referring to with regard to the "Purists" ...(in my words "VS.") "VS."the ones of the group of the "33" who are no longer in alignment with the 'non interventionist' approach.

If I am clear on this he has mentioned something to the effect of some of the group he calls the "33" has become sort of corrupted when viewed in light of what was "supposed" to be a "purist" approach to dealing with humanity.

If I have that wrong, forgive me. It is the way in which I understand it, after only a few days of brief reading on the threads. This makes sense as other races, and types of beings are reported to have sets of 'rules' in the greater picture that they just go by. In other words; if they want to kill someone for instance, there would be a 'code' regarding how business is to be conducted and as such there may be a specific reason why they are not able to do so depending upon which parties of what groups are involved. I think. So there is my best extremely overtired attempt to answer a question based upon what little I know.

I do hope that reads the way it seems in my mind, LOL!

[Brandie]

Posted by blackatiam (here)
Sorry Brandie. I was just using your quote as a reference point. I was trying to address the whole thread is all, i guess not very well. Sorry if I was misunderstood. I agreed with you, though.

It's quite o.k. There is a lot here to read on these threads! So long as it is clear I intended no insult to anyone. I attempt to be as clear in my wording as possible so that I am understood as saying exactly what I intend to say... you made me rethink my wording to be sure! Keep me on my toes... Thank you very much for clarifying! Have a good day/night!

[Brandie]

Posted by Annie (here)
This news is a little disconcerting.Within the boundaries of respect I have the impression that the purpose of the Avalonians is to gather information and question events and information on a variety of subjects and lvl's. Charles definitely falls into the category of the unknown.

Hi Annie,

... and "unknown" means it still has the potential to be good! "Known"... way too boring. =) I just like new materials and things to consider.

Best,

Brandie

[The Arthen]

Just go along with caution, that's all.

In fact I'm glad there are those who believe Charles, and those who are skeptical. We need both sides.

[Mayan2012]

Posted by plumr2007 (here)
I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

It is not becoming the Charles forum. This site is Bill Ryan's forum and we are his guests. I and I assume all of us here have become members because we consider Bill's videos to be what Bill believes is the truth, and that is good enough for me. The only way that I would believe this information even more is if I were there personally.

As far as the Charles material, we have to trust Bill's judgement of Charles' credibility. We should all take this material with a grain of salt anyway, just like everything else in this world that we cannot verify personally.

The reason that it seems like this has turned into "The Charles Forum" is that the material he is presenting is of such importance to the world (if it is in fact true and I think it has a ring of truth. so I will play along with it and see how it unfolds, that I think is the prudent thing to do.) that it takes precedence over all issues going on on the planet now, in the past and in the future. All events may stem from this small group it seems or at least they seem to have a hand in everything. If that is the case and we have an opportunity to communicate with them, then it is our best chance to affect the outcome of the future of humanity. We need to find out exactly who these individuals are, what power do they actually posses over the world and over us individually. What kind of people are they? Do they care about us, weather we live or die? Are they on the fence about it and trying to make a decision based on how this communication with us unfolds.
All the major events in our history such as wars, world finances, famines, the holocaust, etc. may have their roots with these 33 individuals and their ancestors. So if you do care about yourself, your family, your friends and the rest of humanity, it might behoove you to pay attention, participate and try to be part of the solution. They may be the cause of all that is happening around the world right now and they may be the solution to all the problems right now.
Charles is simply the messenger at this time.

[granny]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
I really hope this is all true. I have seen too many scenarioes that are almost identical turn out to be fake. The "Source A" fiasco on open minds forum and the "Hidden hand bloodline" thread on god like productions forums spring to mind. Perhap some online demo of physic powers or something between charles and the members? I really want this to be true and for something to come of it. I hope its not py-ops. No disrespect intended.

Hope this is ok to post here ...

I am interested in what happened to the Source A material from Clay and Shawn. I listened to the show and all the whispering behind the hands struck me as suspicious ... let alont the fantastic material. Great story though.

A link would be super or just could say the ET rock was just BS. lol

gran

[Nela]

Hi Brandie,

Yes, there are the "rules" set by them, but I was thinking more of the set of Laws operating within Universe and pertaining to all living creatures. Because if we want to transcendent this game they set (my starting point is that they devised a false reality, the Matrix, the illusion in which we all live in, with a definite set of "rules" ) we would have to observe and learn those laws. One example would be a Law of Free Will. I have been experimenting with this in my everyday life, and I know that there is much more to this law that meets the eye.

However, being confined to linear thinking it is not an easy endeavor to understand vast complexity of dynamics pertaining to this Law, even what I have understood (and using!!!) so far would take a very long post to explain.

Most people even when they awake get stuck at the point that there is nothing we (individually) can do because they have all the power and we have none. My point being that much of their perceived "power" is inflated. I really don't believe they can kill anybody at whim. It involves complexities as to how much intended "victim" is aware, are there "victim" traits within its personality, to which level person is aware of its own free will to choose its experiences (to certain extent) and level of perception of the person to identify when it is under the "attack". I have observed that in many cases they don't choose to "take someone out", but they are using other means which is to make person commit suicide (do you know how many researchers committed suicide? A lot.)

We are in war, no doubt about that. And this war is waged on many levels, which is why we should not get our attention fixed in 5 senses conspiracy only- it is just a part of it. Behind those "rulers" are beings from other dimensions and game is also played on other levels. And we are not powerless as they try so hard to make us believe, but we have a lot to learn in order to understand the game so that we can influence it.

With certain knowledge and understanding of this multidimensional dynamics, we can perceive and counter their "attacks" and we can also disturb their plans. If we "get" correctly the Law of Manifestation, we can use it in the opposite direction to put their plans from the state of potentiality to the state of non-potentiality. Which is, IMHO, already done to a certain extent- by simple knowing potential form of "attack" (just by being aware of it, without emotional input of fear) it sorts of take away energy from its manifestation (maybe so-called fly pandemic is an example of this- so much has been invested here, but it turned out to be pretty much "impotent". Is it possible that the original plan failed because there was awareness of this possible line of attack?). That would explain the "secrecy" and heavy compartmentalization even within their own groups.

[granny]

Posted by jamjar99 (here)
I wonder...if Charles was discredited in the future (and I'm not saying he will be, just playing devils advocate) could that be mission accomplished for the controllers?

They saw how 'dangerous' Bill was to their plans in revealing information they would rather remain hidden. So they sent someone in to build everyone's hopes up (almost to hysteria) and then when it crashes, the project is discredited and people walk away. Job done. I have no evidence for this, just a thought. I am still completely open minded about Charles.

Ok, it is possible Charles is having us on ... although ... seems like he would have to do more than tap danciing and gum flapping to convince Bill of the reality of his message. I have listened to the orig interview again and found Charles attitude different on the boards ... we shall see how this unfolds.

We still must understand that all souls are present for a reason. If the 33 have attained the controller positions that still does not remove them from the ultimate equation. At the risk of them laughing without the realization of what they do, I say we send them the same loving energy as any other entitiy we encounter.

So love and kitties to Charles and the 33.

gran, who believes kitties are the best

[Nela]

Posted by granny (here)
Ok, it is possible Charles is having us on ... although ... seems like he would have to do more than tap danciing and gum flapping to convince Bill of the reality of his message. I have listened to the orig interview again and found Charles attitude different on the boards ... we shall see how this unfolds.

We still must understand that all souls are present for a reason. If the 33 have attained the controller positions that still does not remove them from the ultimate equation. At the risk of them laughing without the realization of what they do, I say we send them the same loving energy as any other entitiy we encounter.

So love and kitties to Charles and the 33.

gran, who believes kitties are the best

Dear Granny,
I am not capable of sending love to Charles at this moment, but my love goes to you and kitties definitively!!!!!

[granny]

Posted by 72MAV27 (here)
i once heard a quote that the whole population of the world could fit comfortably in the state of Texas. that might have been a slight exaggeration or maybe not. but i live in the second smallest state in the USA, Delaware. and if you drive from north to south Delaware it becomes so apparent that the world is not overpopulated. it's just that the majority of people live in small spaces such as cities and suburbs. but the vast land that is uninhabited is overwhelming. so it's pretty obvious that the world is overpopulated from the stand point of someone who wants to control people and their minds. the more people around, the harder it is to maintain control

One thing I noticed while relistening to the orig interview:

On the GMO food question ... what I did not realize at first was this. Not only do they plan to allow only GMO crops to be grown by large farming outfits (supposedly because that is the only way to feed the world at this level of population), but they also plan to pull the plug on the growing of the GMOs so that there will not be enough food for the world.

Did anyone else get this, because i was thinking that the use of the GMO food was to provide unhealthy food for the population and drag us down that way. I realize now that would possibly be too slow a process for depopulation.

What do youi guys think on this? Did anyone else get that same plan from what was said?
gran

[norman]

yes I got that the first time I heard it.

It's VERY standard procedure in may aspects of business too.

The environmental aspects of a GMO program are so clearly untested that I can only assume that the people behind it are not expecting to be confined to this planet much longer.

[bodixa]

Posted by Annie (here)
This news is a little disconcerting.Within the boundaries of respect I have the impression that the purpose of the Avalonians is to gather information and question events and information on a variety of subjects and lvl's. Charles definitely falls into the category of the unknown.

Well I guess I have a choice. I can either join in with the Charles debate, or ignore it and let it run its course and instead use the rest of this fantastic resource to continue my own learning.

[Mayan2012]

Posted by Nela (here)
Hi Brandie,

Yes, there are the "rules" set by them, but I was thinking more of the set of Laws operating within Universe and pertaining to all living creatures. Because if we want to transcendent this game they set (my starting point is that they devised a false reality, the Matrix, the illusion in which we all live in, with a definite set of "rules" ) we would have to observe and learn those laws. One example would be a Law of Free Will. I have been experimenting with this in my everyday life, and I know that there is much more to this law that meets the eye.

However, being confined to linear thinking it is not an easy endeavor to understand vast complexity of dynamics pertaining to this Law, even what I have understood (and using!!!) so far would take a very long post to explain.

Most people even when they awake get stuck at the point that there is nothing we (individually) can do because they have all the power and we have none. My point being that much of their perceived "power" is inflated. I really don't believe they can kill anybody at whim. It involves complexities as to how much intended "victim" is aware, are there "victim" traits within its personality, to which level person is aware of its own free will to choose its experiences (to certain extent) and level of perception of the person to identify when it is under the "attack". I have observed that in many cases they don't choose to "take someone out", but they are using other means which is to make person commit suicide (do you know how many researchers committed suicide? A lot.)

We are in war, no doubt about that. And this war is waged on many levels, which is why we should not get our attention fixed in 5 senses conspiracy only- it is just a part of it. Behind those "rulers" are beings from other dimensions and game is also played on other levels. And we are not powerless as they try so hard to make us believe, but we have a lot to learn in order to understand the game so that we can influence it.

With certain knowledge and understanding of this multidimensional dynamics, we can perceive and counter their "attacks" and we can also disturb their plans. If we "get" correctly the Law of Manifestation, we can use it in the opposite direction to put their plans from the state of potentiality to the state of non-potentiality. Which is, IMHO, already done to a certain extent- by simple knowing potential form of "attack" (just by being aware of it, without emotional input of fear) it sorts of take away energy from its manifestation (maybe so-called fly pandemic is an example of this- so much has been invested here, but it turned out to be pretty much "impotent". Is it possible that the original plan failed because there was awareness of this possible line of attack?). That would explain the "secrecy" and heavy compartmentalization even within their own groups.

Nela:

I am impressed by your thoughts. I agree 100%
I believe that whomever is seen as having power has as much power over us as we give them. They know how to manipulate events and people by using our weaknesses, our fears, our strengths, our desires, our needs, in a way that serves them without us knowing it. In fact we are usually thankful for what they do which makes us slaves to their agenda.
They give us just about all the credit we can stand and then some, so that we can get in debt to them and have to work and work to try to pay off our debts, but at the same time, they raise our interest rates so that it makes it harder for us to pay the debts off and at the same time they tempt us with new unnecessary gadgets that we just can't seem to live without so we buy them as soon as our balance comes down enough.
Of course, then there are the holidays that were invented to make people buy more things for other people who also have to buy gifts for every one else. In the mean time everyone is going into debt.
Then comes the stress that all this working and spending brings, and we all know that stress is one of the main causes of illness in the world. another is the food that has been tampered with by them.
I guess we get the picture.
Since you understand that there are laws of the Universe, you might be interested, if you don't know about it yet, that there there is a book called "The Kybalion" http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.asp?chapter=II .
This book is about the seven Hermetic Principles or laws of the Universe. The Principles are: Mental, Correspondence, Vibration, Polarity, Rhythm, Cause and Effect and Gender. I highly suggest you take a look at it. I have read this book from cover to cover a half a dozen times and every time I do, I learn something that I didn't learn the time before.

[unplugged]

Posted by Mayan2012 (here)
As far as the Charles material, we have to trust Bill's judgement of Charles' credibility.

Er, NO! We are under no moral or other compunction to trust anyone but ourselves. I listened to one half of 1 tape with Charles and turned it off as it set off every conceivable alarm in me. I am where I am today living the life I'm living because I've learned to trust my Inner guidance. Bill's body language, carefully-selected softball questions and disgustingly obsequious manner was enough for me. That, more than even Charles, was the turn-off for me. Had I not marveled at Bill's expert questioning and probing of other witnesses who've graced Camelot over the years I probably wouldn't have been quite as put off. And, for the record, I must say I agree with Kerry insofar as the bit I listened to before I tuned it out. The only remarkable thing was the lack of anything remarkable whatsoever.