Very Disturbing [Jay Weidner - Sacred Mysteries video (removed)]

[3(C)+me]

Corbett report weighs in on all this Fake news.
Oh the reversals...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-UDYVmIMVA8

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by DNA (here)
Please don't feel sorry for me Todd & Nora and please do not feel embarrassed for Project Avalon.
Some day you will realize the error of your ways, and you will feel embarrassed for your naivety regarding this current situation.
Just my take but you have been coming off like a real A$$hole regarding this topic, you might want to take a deep breath and ask yourself the question "Do I know absolutely everything about any given topic"? If the answer is "no" maybe you should stop posting like the pompous know it all you keep coming off like.

I suspect, DNA, that TODD & NORA do have something to offer on this topic, and that calling them pompous assholes is not the best way to approach this .

[onawah]

Just saw this on Wolf Spirit Radio's Jay Pee's Facebook page:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate
...a news site for pizzagate related news.

[Flowerpunkchip]

Another good video by David Seaman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIBZXzOp-mc

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dIBZXzOp-mc

[Flowerpunkchip]

who is this guy in the middle?

https://i.sli.mg/JpF4XF.png


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https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/

[3(C)+me]

A well versed and balanced view of this subject:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gsX5Jc-jOU4

[Octavusprime]

Todd and Nora. You are quick to get very emotional and lash out at us (Avalon). I realize that this is a sensitive subject but having more attention focused on the child slave trade is not necessarily a bad thing. Perhaps this is a huge conspiracy to redirect the masses towards a political rival. Maybe you have some insider knowledge to offer or perhaps you have emotional ties to those in the spotlight and are blinded to the truth. It could be that the people you think you know aren't the people you think they are. You may be 100% correct that this is a huge Witch hunt. It's all in the delivery.

Let's see some examples of the "doctored photos" and evidence that the Podesta emails are fake. Please provide some sound rationale as to why there is suddenly a witch hunt out for "fake news" and such a strong reaction to suppress this story by "news agencies" like NPR. Your emotional attacks on the Avalon members is not helping your cause. This isn't the first time you have gotten emotional on a topic in which you claim to be an insider and that everyone else is clueless. How is it that you are an expert/insider on so many topics? I would provide examples but you seem to want to be an online ghost and delete your past posts.

Many trusted people on this site are trusted because the community gets to know them. You are very secretive and often brash in you responses. It would be way more helpful and effective if you provided real life examples, evidence or researched hypothesis' rather than to just tell people that they are wrong and foolish. People don't respond well to dismissive emotionally driven responses. Trust me, I've made this mistake many times myself.

I listen to NPR and what I've noticed is that it is extremely biased. It was a Pro Hillary and Anti Trump propaganda tool over the last few months. Essentially it just regurgitates the narrative of the current heads of state. We will see what happens to NPR once Trump is in office. I still listen but more to hear what is being pushed and what is being conveniently left out... One must look between lines if you know what I mean.

[Octavusprime]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OP--ZXOjc

I provide this as an overview of the current info/theories on Pizzagate. I'm still on the fence but there are some very strange connections being made.

[3(C)+me]

Posted by Octavusprime (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OP--ZXOjc

I provide this as an overview of the current info/theories on Pizzagate. I'm still on the fence but there are some very strange connections being made.

You might be interested in this post by bsbray:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1116774

[TODD & NORA]

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[Bob]

Posted by TODD & NORA (here)
Attacks are what public forums such as Project Avalon are for apparently.

The fulfillment of Garabandal could not come soon enough...you are welcome to fight amongst yourselves. The request to delete our account from the forum has been submitted.

Seems to me Todd and Nora, forum Policy is clear - Ad Hominem attacks on members are not allowed. Have you tried asking Bill Ryan to take a look at how you and Nora were attacked (reputation slammed is what it looks like to me) - https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1116774

I realize a lot of sick people are in very powerful positions, and a lot of good people at heart have been corrupted. Some people though, are beyond redemption.

Todd and Nora, let's do some soul searching. The data is out there and people know how to find me on Skype. The moderators here and Bill Ryan himself know that I can be a very fair and reasonable person. Let's make this a true discussion forum and have full disclosure. Let's be clear about how Nora worked for the CIA director under Bill Clinton, James Woolsey Jr. Let's talk about how James Woosley spoke personally at your wedding. Let's talk about how close you guys are to the Clinton family and what you really represent here on this forum.

I've emphasized in RED what offends me the most. HOW DARE anyone say what you "really represent" on the FORUM.

I AM DISGUSTED that such a post has been allowed and what I personally find is really interesting is HOW MANY PEOPLE THANKED BsBray for that post. How sad really.

Color emphasis on word string added for looking at the 'message' that appears to be intended -

bsbray in PA post https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1116774 says :

[..] Let me tell you people something. This is a time for some real soul-searching. This is beyond politics. This is beyond right and left. This is a choice between law and order, or chaos. This is a choice between having your kids stolen from you in the middle of the night and raped and murdered by people who are above the law, or else holding everyone accountable.

I realize a lot of sick people are in very powerful positions, and a lot of good people at heart have been corrupted. Some people though, are beyond redemption.

Todd and Nora, let's do some soul searching. The data is out there and people know how to find me on Skype.

The moderators here and Bill Ryan himself know that I can be a very fair and reasonable person.

Let's make this a true discussion forum and have full disclosure.

Let's be clear about how Nora worked for the CIA director under Bill Clinton, James Woolsey Jr. Let's talk about how James Woosley spoke personally at your wedding.

Let's talk about how close you guys are to the Clinton family and what you really represent here on this forum.

I'm not giving any last names or personal information here out of respect for you and the opportunity for you to give us full transparency.

I know you two have been respected members here for a long time but from the "thanks" I'm seeing on your posts, not even the staff here seem to have your back much anymore.

I know Innocent Warrior and she is a great person, a truly good soul, as all of the moderators I have personally spoken to from PA are good people.

None of us are perfect and we can all be suckered into some bad stuff.

But there is always time for redemption and forgiveness.

But the time for games is over.

It is time for some soul searching people.

Whatever higher power you believe in, or don't believe in,

I pray that you come out of this standing on the right side of history.

No matter what is in your past, you still have the choice to do the right thing.

NLP programming works by first opening up the reader (disarming stage) then KEYWORDS of EMOTIONAL CONTENT are tossed in, the key is triggering emotion.. Keyword programming can be positive or negative connotation, then the BODY of the program is run, then the closing emotional triggering to "leave a nice taste"..

What is left running in the mind are the keywords, the emotional triggers...

Stringing together then in order the keywords - this appears to be the embedded message:

Let me tell you people a lot of sick people are in very powerful positions Some people though, are beyond redemption Let's be clear what you really represent here on this forum out of respect for you not even the staff here seem to have your back much anymore

[Octavusprime]

Posted by TODD & NORA (here)
Attacks are what public forums such as Project Avalon are for apparently.

The fulfillment of Garabandal could not come soon enough...you are welcome to fight amongst yourselves. The request to delete our account from the forum has been submitted.

I thought these forums are for discussion. You don't seem to want to discuss anything. You just state your views as fact without much supporting evidence and then get upset that people question your opinions. Mind boggling.

I had to look up Garabandal: http://www.garabandal.org/story.shtml

A Greater Miracle to Come
Conchita has clearly said that Our Lady has promised a greater miracle in Garabandal so that all may believe the apparitions and be obedient to the message. "As the punishment which we deserve for the sins of the world is great, the miracle must also be a great one, for the world needs it." It will occur on a Thursday on the feast day of a saint devoted to the Eucharist, at 8:30 in the evening, and will last for about one quarter of an hour. It will also coincide with a great event in the Church. The sick who come to Garabandal on that day will be cured, unbelievers will be converted. There will remain a permanent sign at "The Pines" as a proof of Our Lady's tremendous love for all her children.

"The sign that will remain," says Conchita, "will be able to be seen, photographed and televised but it will not be able to be touched. It will appear clearly that it is something not of this world, but of God."

Conchita has been granted permission by Our Lady to announce the date of the miracle eight days in advance. With the present means of communication and travel, eight days are sufficient for people around the world to gather. The day of The miracle may be the last opportunity given us by God and may be also Our Lady's last effort to save the world from the punishment already threatened.

Some time ago Conchita wrote, "The Blessed Virgin will not allow me to reveal the nature of The miracle although I already know it. Neither can I reveal the date of it, which I know, until eight days before it is to happen." Before The miracle takes place Our Lady has said that all mankind will receive a warning from heaven.

The Warning
Conchita wrote: "The warning comes directly from God and will be visible to the whole world and from any place where anyone many happen to be. It will be like the revelation of our sins and it will be seen and felt by everyone, believer and unbeliever alike irrespective of whatever religion he may belong to. It will be seen and felt in all parts of the world and by every person."

It will happen in the sky, no one can prevent it form happening. We will even prefer to be dead rather than to pass through this Warning It will not kill us. It will be a "correction" of our conscience. It will cause great fear and will make us reflect within ourselves on the consequences of our own personal sins. It will be like a warning of the punishment to come. In this way the world will be offered a means of purification to prepare itself for the extraordinary grace of the Great Miracle.

Jacinta was told by Our Blessed Mother "that the warning would come when conditions were at their worst." The date was not revealed to the visionaries, however Mari-Loli does know the year; and she said that The Miracle will happen within one year after The Warning.

The Punishment
If we do not pay attention to the message, the punishment announced by Our Lady will be visited on the whole world after The miracle. During one of their ecstasies the girls were heard praying for the innocent children but, nevertheless, they shed tears at the same time. Since the day they learned about the punishment they have developed a great spirit of sacrifice. They pray very much for sinners and for priests. They often say that if priests are not what they should be many souls will be lost.

Conchita has written: "I cannot reveal what kind of punishment it is except that it will be a result of the direct intervention of God, which makes it more terrible and fearful than anything we can imagine. It will be less painful for innocent babies to die a natural death than for those babies to die because of the punishment. All Catholics should go to confession before the punishment and the others should repent of their sins. When I saw IT (the punishment), I felt a great fear even though at the same time I was seeing Our Blessed Mother. The punishment, if it comes, will come after the miracle"

When Our Lady spoke to the girls of the punishment, her face assumed a look of great sadness. The girls revealed: "We have never seen her look so serious. When she said the words 'The cup is already filling', she spoke in a very low voice."

[Octavusprime]

Sorry Bob but ever since Todd and Nora joined they have used this forum as a platform. They state things but don't want to discuss any of it. It can lead someone to question their motives. You can blame others for their judgements but really it all starts with thy self and how they present themselves here. I mean why get on a forum if you aren't open for debate? Why join a site for spiritual, science and political discussion if you don't want to be questioned and don't participate in providing evidence or rationale. It's just a lot of "you guys are wrong" "this is how it really is". Just statements that to some may look like opinions with very authoritarian/elitist overtones.

I really want to get to know Todd and Nora but for whatever reason they don't feel comfortable letting others get to know them.

As always this is my opinion and may be completely off. Often tone and inflection are very hard to read in text.

[Bob]

Posted by Octavusprime (here)
Sorry Bob but ever since Todd and Nora joined they have used this forum as a platform. They state things but don't want to discuss any of it. It can lead someone to question their motives. You can blame others for their judgements but really it all starts with they self and how they present themselves here. I mean why get on a forum if you aren't open for debate? Why join a site for spiritual, science and political discussion if you don't want to be questioned and don't participate in providing evidence or rationale. It's just a lot of "you guys are wrong" "this is how it really is". Just statements that to most look like opinions with very authoritarian/elitist overtones.

I really want to get to know Todd and Nora but for whatever reason they don't feel comfortable letting others get to know them.

As always this is my opinion and may be completely off. Often tone and inflection are very hard to read in text.

One can always PM and ask someone in confidentiality why one would or would not speak about something in public. Ad Hominem attacks are not at all a kind way to deal with an emotional situation. PM and ASK someone what's up.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I think that everyone knows and agrees that there is a big problem with trafficking children in America. I think many of us are aware that there is a likely connection/ring among the powerful including those in Washington. We've been looking at that for decades. I think David Icke's done some good work there as well as others.

I keep seeing folks on this thread pointing that out as though it somehow proves that pizzagate is true and not false. I think we all know that child sex trafficking is a problem. I don't think that needs to be proven. Pointing that out as somehow implicating the pizzagate players is illogical.

There is lots to look at and discuss that is directly related to the case while we try to understand what is really going on.

[Octavusprime]

Posted by Bob (here)

Posted by Octavusprime (here)
Sorry Bob but ever since Todd and Nora joined they have used this forum as a platform. They state things but don't want to discuss any of it. It can lead someone to question their motives. You can blame others for their judgements but really it all starts with they self and how they present themselves here. I mean why get on a forum if you aren't open for debate? Why join a site for spiritual, science and political discussion if you don't want to be questioned and don't participate in providing evidence or rationale. It's just a lot of "you guys are wrong" "this is how it really is". Just statements that to most look like opinions with very authoritarian/elitist overtones.

I really want to get to know Todd and Nora but for whatever reason they don't feel comfortable letting others get to know them.

As always this is my opinion and may be completely off. Often tone and inflection are very hard to read in text.

One can always PM and ask someone in confidentiality why one would or would not speak about something in public. Ad Hominem attacks are not at all a kind way to deal with an emotional situation. PM and ASK someone what's up.

This is true. I've never really used the PM feature much, unless the Mods are telling me to chill. I like to get everything out in the open and discuss it. Mainly because if I'm questioning something then I assume others are as well.

[Octavusprime]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
I think that everyone knows and agrees that there is a big problem with trafficking children in America. I think many of us are aware that there is a likely connection/ring among the powerful including those in Washington. We've been looking at that for decades. I think David Icke's done some good work there as well as others.

I keep seeing folks on this thread pointing that out as though it somehow proves that pizzagate is true and not false. I think we all know that child sex trafficking is a problem. I don't think that needs to be proven. Pointing that out as somehow implicating the pizzagate players is illogical.

There is lots to look at and discuss that is directly related to the case while we try to understand what is really going on.

Agreed and I think many are trying to provide such evidence.

[Bob]

Posted by Octavusprime (here)

Posted by Bob (here)

Posted by Octavusprime (here)
Sorry Bob but ever since Todd and Nora joined they have used this forum as a platform. They state things but don't want to discuss any of it. It can lead someone to question their motives. You can blame others for their judgements but really it all starts with they self and how they present themselves here. I mean why get on a forum if you aren't open for debate? Why join a site for spiritual, science and political discussion if you don't want to be questioned and don't participate in providing evidence or rationale. It's just a lot of "you guys are wrong" "this is how it really is". Just statements that to most look like opinions with very authoritarian/elitist overtones.

I really want to get to know Todd and Nora but for whatever reason they don't feel comfortable letting others get to know them.

As always this is my opinion and may be completely off. Often tone and inflection are very hard to read in text.

One can always PM and ask someone in confidentiality why one would or would not speak about something in public. Ad Hominem attacks are not at all a kind way to deal with an emotional situation. PM and ASK someone what's up.

This is true. I've never really used the PM feature much, unless the Mods are telling me to chill. I like to get everything out in the open and discuss it. Mainly because if I'm questioning something then I assume others are as well.

Just for a thought exercise... possibly somebody has confidential informants and by revealing all that out in public, that could very well cause the informant to be killed - considering the topic and subject matter.. PM is an easy way to dialog and as you have asked, you want to get to know Todd & Nora. Quite possibly one may find they are great folks bent really on public service and trying their best to crack open a very tight door and not get in harms way.. Just a thought to consider..

[Octavusprime]

It's hard to crack a very tight door by making a statement and then refusing to elaborate or provide evidence. I guess in this particular thought experiment it would be very frustrating to balance the desire for full disclosure while remaining safe from harm. Something I should ponder more.,..

[Bob]

going to backtrack cross post from one done earlier - https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1116383 in this thread.. the reason is, confidential informants..

Aaron Cohen (who is btw, a close personal friend of Todd and Nora) has stated that informants in this disgusting pedophilia and child slavery topic get killed by those who buy the favors and the slaves. And Aaaron has stated numerous times getting close to killed for getting too close. He says he also trains Law Enforcement in how to deal with this particular type of highly insidious traffic'ing and what to look for, and how to interrogate and how to get the networks of traffic'ers busted.

Those folks demanding that Todd and Nora reveal what they know (that which is confidential) behind the cracked door I find is unbelievable to me (for the reasons stated below), and certainly appears to me would be more counter-productive than helpful.

Aaron probably is the one who has more of the data and certainly would be a great addition to the FORUM to be able to speak on these topics..

Here is another bit of information from the interview with Aaron Cohen -

Before Aaron Cohen started to look into the trade of human souls, he was more or less like many other young people in the West. With his friend Perry Farrell from Jane’s Addiction he grabbed life at its tail, celebrated every minute of it. Groupies, alcohol, clubs, drugs, parties. The usual.

Until he found a purpose in life: Help free the slaves.

Cohen became a human rights activist, a specialist in finding those sold into slavery and those selling.

He traveled South America and Asia in his search and rescue missions.

His work does not consist of rushing in guns ablaze, he knows well that this does not help anybody. He talks to governments, connects with NGOs.

I talked to Aaron Cohen about his life, his mission, and the lives he saves.

Aaron is like any of the members who have been there, done that, are real people, musicians, compassionate and gees caring like all get out..

Aaron says here:

It’s really just about honestly helping the person in front of you and letting people know that there are things they can do to help.

In facing death there is uncertainty for all of us.

Yes being shot, poisoned, abducted, or tortured are things that can happened to anyone working undercover, but we are working to minimize the risks [..]

And he then says this:

I get it that people need a simple way to understand human trafficking investigations.

I will continue to do undercover work, until my public appearances make it unsafe, and I don’t think I’ve reached that point, but I can see training police and writing more books is in my future, Lord willing.

I teach my guys that the best way to keep alive in this game of cat searching for slaves, is to have our feet on the ground, trusting our instincts, and to constantly check ourselves spiritually.

We must remember to let our soul lead and not be seduced by our physical desires to receive.

In another thread Todd and Nora are questioned for being able to talk with "high level" people in former administrations in what appears to be a very uncomplimentary tone - but Aaron points this out, he tells this to the PUBLIC so that they can understand WHY certain relationships HAVE to be created (to be able to move forward no doubt..)

The work begins with identifying the key components missing in the task force and it continues with building and sustaining relationships to these key stake holders.

It’s through these task forces, forming them, analyzing them, and mentoring them –– This is where we are creating a sustainable and duplicatable model for abolishing slavery.

Finding the stakeholders: the Justice Minister, the local police, the chiefs of police, the federal law enforcement and international law enforcement officials.

Building relationships to protective services, witness protection, to the psychologists, drug councilors, to the shelters, transitional living, and the vocational training professionals.

So there’s a lot to the work, from prosecution, to protection, to prevention, but the essential component is in partnership, building and maintaining task forces.

The expression "to walk where Angels fear to tread..." comes to mind..

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Posted by Octavusprime (here)
It's hard to crack a very tight door by making a statement and then refusing to elaborate or provide evidence. I guess in this particular thought experiment it would be very frustrating to balance the desire for full disclosure while remaining safe from harm. Something I should ponder more.,..

(please see the above post, quite possibly it will help understand what is behind that tightly closed door I've added some of what's behind that door from my brief view at some of the 'team' that is going after the slavers.. )