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    Here's the Youtube video of the shooting, filmed by one of the cameras filming the speech of the Ambassador:
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    The Saker, who seems to have a better understanding of Russians than either Ken or Jim (in my prior posts above), takes the assassination to be real, and finds the lack of Russian security protecting their ambassador to be typical reckless Russian behaviour.

    In his post A few initial short thoughts on the murder of the Russian Ambassador to Ankara, he suspects it was most likely either carried out by ISIS/Daesh, or the CIA. He is confident "that Putin will do nothing harsh regardless of who is behind this murder."
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    That all depends on the type of round and what it hit. Kind of looks like a heart shot but, if it ripped the nerves that cause the heart to beat, then there would be an immediate depressurization and no way to bleed.

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    When I watch the shooting, something just doesn't feel right about it all. Like, he was behind the Ambassador, and the jacket of the Ambassador moved very quickly on the right hand side as if reacting to an impact or a force of some sort, yet there was no exit wound?
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    INFO WARS...

    Russian Officials: “Highly Likely” Ambassador Assassination a NATO False Flag

    Putin allies question who's responsible for political execution

    Dan Lyman | Infowars.com - December 19, 2016


    Russian Ambassador Shot Dead: What They're NOT Telling You



    Published on 19 Dec 2016
    The media will do EVERYTHING to avoid blaming Turkey.

    http://www.infowars.com/russian-offi...to-false-flag/


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    RT NEWS..

    Turkish riot police officer who killed Russian ambassador identified

    Published time: 19 Dec, 2016 21:56
    https://www.rt.com/news/370862-turki...ampaign=chrome

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    RINF

    Motives behind the Assassination of Russian Ambassador to Turkey

    By admin -

    Nauman Sadiq

    (RINF) – In order to identify the likely motives of the 22 years old
    Turkish police officer who assassinated the Russian ambassador to
    Turkey, Andrey Karlov, we must keep in mind the backdrop that
    the Turkish and Iranian foreign ministers are en route to Russia
    to find a solution to the five years old Syrian conflict for the first
    time without the participation of the US.



    http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/...dor-to-turkey/

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    Officials: Man in custody is a refugee



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    Quote Posted by viking (here)
    Russian ambassador to Turkey killed in Ankara shooting...

    The Russian ambassador to Ankara has been killed in a gun attack at an art gallery in the Turkish capital, Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported.

    Reports said Andrei Karlov was attending the opening of an exhibit at a contemporary arts centre when he was attacked. Karlov was several minutes into a speech at the exhibit when a man shouted “Allahu Akbar” and fired at least eight shots, according to an AP photographer who was present.

    Link below...
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...hooting-attack

    Viking
    Apparently the attacker was a Ankara police officer and used his credentials to gain access.

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    Sorry I am new to posting and did not realize I was repeating information already stated.

    From Bill: not a problem at all. It often happens!

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    I live quite close to the art gallery that assasination happened. And here are my notes about small details that i haven't see mentioned in news:
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    1. The art gallery's location is next to US embassy (literally, it is 10 meters away form the gallery).
    2. Russian embassy building is also close to the gallery, about 5-10 minutes by walking from a quite crowded location. The location of the art gallery is full of bars and one of the centers of night life in ankara.
    3. The "police officer" has evidences about strong connection with "gulen" movement, he probably has been planted by the movement as a sleeping cell back when they were quite strong inside the goverment.
    4. The assasinator he has been sent to another city for duty by his superior (who has been arrested for being a member of the movement after the coup attempt) in the day of coup attempt and he also took 2 days off after the coup attempt.
    5. The reported who was next to ambassador told that the assasinator has no motives of killing anyone except him, he even let reporters take his photos and then told them to leave the building

    This assasination attempt reminds me of assasination of Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo. Someone is pushing too hard to start WW3, hope the world can see the right way and choose the peace path, we are passing from really hard days.
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    The assassination has not dented the recent reconciliation of Turkish/Russian
    relations after the lows of the previous year , pre - coup attempt....

    Whether the shooting was timed to coincide with the meetings below ? or a
    protest against Russia's help of the Assad government in Syria ? It has not
    achieved anything other than tighten their resolve for a peace full ending to
    the Syrian civil war and focus on ISIS. If there is another motive for the
    murder that is yet to be disclosed.....

    The vids below are from live stream links but should work if you click on

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    FM Lavrov speaks on assassinated ambassador to Turkey

    Vids should work if you click on.....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFx2tG8E-zM

    The Russian ambassador to Turkey, Andrey Karlov, has been shot dead by a
    gunman who opened fire at the opening ceremony of a photo exhibition in Ankara.

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    Mourning ceremony as Russian ambassador’s body taken to Moscow (Streamed live)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKSifRAnoAY

    Streamed live 3 hours ago

    Commemoration ceremony is held for the Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrei
    Karlov, who was shot and killed on Monday.

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    Berlin attack & Merkel policies: LIVE debate (Mo Ansar vs Maximilian Krah)



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JLdmzpDZ4

    Streamed live 1 hour ago

    Political & social commentator Mo Ansar and AfD member Maximilian Krah who quit
    CDU over Merkel’s policies discuss latest tragedy at Berlin Christmas market and
    German government policies.

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    Russian, Turkish, Iranian FMs speak after Moscow meeting on Syria (Streamed live)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPAbYOmJdO0

    Streamed live 3 hours ago
    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, his Turkish and Iranian counterparts,
    Mevlet Cavusoglu and Javad Zarif, address the media following trilateral talks on
    Syria in Moscow.

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    Berlin attack & Merkel policies: LIVE debate (Mo Ansar vs Maximilian Krah)

    vid should work if you click on...



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JLdmzpDZ4

    Streamed live 1 hour ago
    Political & social commentator Mo Ansar and AfD member Maximilian Krah
    who quit CDU over Merkel’s policies discuss latest tragedy at Berlin
    Christmas market and German government policies.
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    When I watch the shooting, something just doesn't feel right about it all. Like, he was behind the Ambassador, and the jacket of the Ambassador moved very quickly on the right hand side as if reacting to an impact or a force of some sort, yet there was no exit wound?
    The shock wave will move through a medium where the projectile cannot penetrate.

    A lot of the trauma from gun shots is from the shock waves produced by the projectile and cavitation that happens.

    I saw a little man with a little gun that was meant to be concealed (.40 or smaller caliber, if it's 9mm I doubt ANY 9mm round could have went through that man)... It may have even been loaded with Hydrashok or similar ant-people rounds that mushroom or splinter on impact (no exit wounds, full kinetic transfer of energy, "people stoppers") I don't see any thing telling me this was faked.. the damage on the walls in some of the photos and other things looked real so at some point real shooting happened.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    The shock wave will move through a medium where the projectile cannot penetrate.

    A lot of the trauma from gun shots is from the shock waves produced by the projectile and cavitation that happens.

    I saw a little man with a little gun that was meant to be concealed (.40 or smaller caliber, if it's 9mm I doubt ANY 9mm round could have went through that man)... It may have even been loaded with Hydrashok or similar ant-people rounds that mushroom or splinter on impact (no exit wounds, full kinetic transfer of energy, "people stoppers") I don't see any thing telling me this was faked.. the damage on the walls in some of the photos and other things looked real so at some point real shooting happened.
    Yes, just from a poor glimpse, looks like a .40/9mm/9 kurz, something along those lines, and who knows what the actual bullet was.

    Proximity to American embassy perhaps explains initial report or perhaps confusion about an attack directed there as well...or maybe there were others involved?

    Officer had been suspended during Gulenist interrogations, but was reinstated. Don't really see any "Sarajevo moment" happening here either. Most likely they will be increasing some security measures--which I'd guess this guy was able to figure out how thin they were, and plot his move precisely, without difficulty.

    Russia has bounced back from near annihilation multiple times, I expect them to keep the fate of one person in perspective.

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    Russia has changed the all equations dramatically since they intervened to syria for the last 2 years and assad regime is still alive because of them. Also the recent evacuation of aleppo and other operations done by both turkish and russian goverments has weakened "al-nusra". The russian goverment also thinks that those assasinations (both the assasinations happened in ankara and russia at the same day) are about the actions done in aleppo.

    There are rumors that al-quada has praised this action, while isis has issues the attacker as "murted" (which means "apostates" in english).

    The possible outcome from these actions might be that Russia is going to drop everything they have over al-nusra regions by showing these events as cause which will eventually help assad regime become stronger.

    But i have to say that his actions does not seem like he is a member of an extremist group but he is acting way too hard to look like them. The way he says "allahu ekber" does not sound like someone uses this word everyday, normally you expect that a member of an extremist islamic organisation spells it in true form, but he is saying it like he just started to say it.

    here are some screenshots from -so called whatsapp conversations; closed groups of al-quada and isis (first one is from isis, other ones are from al-quada)



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    Slain ambassador’s body arrives in Moscow, met by Russian & Turkish FMs



    Published on 20 Dec 2016
    Body of Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov assasinated in Turkey
    arrives in Moscow, met by Russian & Turkish FMs at the airport

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    This is a surreal interview in some ways......ISIS claims Berlin attack.
    Police looking for 21-23 yr old Tunisian man.....

    The guest is introduced as the man who killed Bin Laden
    Rob O'Niell so I presume he was one of the navy seals ?
    They say the Truck hijacker was from Tunisia and he left
    his documents in the vehicles cab, as most of these terrorists do....



    He comes from a little village called Tatooine , good timing
    with the New Stars Wars 'Rogue' just out. Tunisia is also
    where the Paris truck driver was from and where the tourists
    were gunned down on the beach a few years ago.

    This attack does not feel right , as we have said many times...
    Rob O'Neill does not feel right either ??




    Published on 21 Dec 2016


    Fox News contributor discusses the ways to defeat the terror group
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    The Russians are saying it wasn't a jihadist at all... It was NATO trying to start a war. Also, I've heard questions raised about, where's the blood? He's shot three times with no blood?

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    If the Ambassador was not really killed, then I think it logically follows that the guy who 'shot' him wasn't either.

    I think they both died.
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    Conflicting reports emerge over which terrorist group killed Russian ambassador



    Published on 21 Dec 2016
    Conflicting reports are coming in about which terrorist organisations were
    involved in the killing of the Russian ambassador in Turkey. Harry Fear is
    in Ankara with the latest on this.

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    MSM just couldn’t resist trying to justify killer of envoy who helped negotiate
    Aleppo evacuation



    Published on 21 Dec 2016
    Russian diplomat Andrey Karlov, 62, was fatally shot in the Turkish capital, Ankara,
    on Monday.

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    CrossTalk: Assassinating Hope



    Published on 21 Dec 2016

    The assassination of the Russian ambassador to Turkey was an act of terror. The
    motive is obvious – to damage Russia-Turkey relations and disrupt any kind of
    peace process ending the Syrian conflict. Will the assassin achieve his goals?
    CrossTalking with Onur Isci, Galip Dalay, and Daniel Faraci.
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