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    Greenwald sums up perfectly why Trump is clashing with the CIA and intel
    and power elites by opposing the agenda that has been on going in the
    Middle East for the past two decades. Clinton was set up to continue the
    agenda and Trump has seriously threatened this.....He is not the only
    one saying this as the alternate community has been saying it since 9/11.
    Just he points it out well especially for any not sure.....


    Greenwald: Shadowy foes at war with Trump as Dems cheer



    Published on 12 Jan 2017

    Co-founding editor of The Intercept says opponents have used the media in open warfare
    against the President-elect, and the CIA wanted Hillary Clinton to win the presidency #Tucker


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    Giuliani: Trump may re-establish journalistic ethics



    Published on 12 Jan 2017

    Former NYC mayor goes on 'Hannity' to discuss the fight against fake news and his
    cybersecurity role in the next administration
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Greenwald sums up perfectly why Trump is clashing with the CIA and intel
    and power elites by opposing the agenda that has been on going in the
    Middle East for the past two decades. Clinton was set up to continue the
    agenda and Trump has seriously threatened this.....He is not the only
    one saying this as the alternate community has been saying it since 9/11.
    Just he points it out well especially for any not sure.....


    Greenwald: Shadowy foes at war with Trump as Dems cheer



    Published on 12 Jan 2017
    Co-founding editor of The Intercept says opponents have used the media in open warfare
    against the President-elect, and the CIA wanted Hillary Clinton to win the presidency #Tucker
    Seems like Glenn Greenwald is on the same page as Paul Craig Roberts...
    Makes one wonder if the two are following each others' work?


    Paul Craig Roberts:
    CIA Feeling Threatened by Trump Presidency

    (Interview January 11th 2017)




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    All of my Cabinet nominee are looking good
    and doing a great job. I want them to be
    themselves and express their own thoughts,
    not mine!


    2:49 AM - 13 Jan 2017
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    It now turns out that the phony allegations
    against me were put together by my political
    opponents and a failed spy afraid of being
    sued....


    3:05 AM - 13 Jan 2017
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    Totally made up facts by sleazebag political
    operatives, both Democrats and Republicans -
    FAKE NEWS! Russia says nothing exists.
    Probably...


    3:11 AM - 13 Jan 2017
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    released by "Intelligence" even knowing there
    is no proof, and never will be. My people will
    have a full report on hacking within 90 days!


    3:16 AM - 13 Jan 2017
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    What are Hillary Clinton's people complaining
    about with respect to the F.B.I. Based on the
    information they had she should never.....


    3:22 AM - 13 Jan 2017
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    have been allowed to run - guilty as hell. They
    were VERY nice to her. She lost because she
    campaigned in the wrong states - no
    enthusiasm!


    3:25 AM - 13 Jan 2017
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    There is going to be one winner for sure......Cyber command

    The cyber soldiers of the future



    Published on 13 Jan 2017


    The US army prepares for potential cyber warfare. CNN's Clare Sebastian reports.

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    The Empire via CIA NN is still peddling the memo ......We were right all along ,
    Trump will lie and they try to say he is a conspiracy nut . Classic disinfo tactics
    CIA NN are still looking to smear Trump if they can over anything it seems....


    Explaining the Trump intel memo controversy



    Published on 13 Jan 2017

    Vice President Joe Biden confirmed Thursday that he and President Barack Obama
    were briefed last week by intelligence officials on unsubstantiated claims that
    Russia may have compromising information on President-elect Donald Trump.

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    This is what it is all about Russia must be demonised for many reasons , Neo
    -con/dems continuing agendas , mil ind complex , the vast intel agencies need
    enemies to exist , funding of the hundreds of US mil bases etc ....

    So I expect CIA NN and their factions are spinning at this. Russia never hacked
    the US elections and any cyber activity is probably happening all the time from
    all sides.....


    Kremlin Spokesman: ‘No Doubt’ Vladimir Putin Is Happy Donald Trump's Election | NBC Nightly News



    Published on 13 Jan 2017
    In an interview with NBC Nightly News, Dmitry Peskov said President Putin was
    eager to work with President-Elect Trump, but added Trump was wrong for
    changing his tune on Russia’s role in hacking.
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    Donald Trump blasts Clinton after probe of FBI launched

    30 minutes ago
    From the section US & Canada

    President-elect Donald Trump has turned his fire on beaten rival Hillary Clinton,
    after an investigation was launched into the action taken by the FBI during the
    election campaign.

    The FBI and justice department face questions over their handling of her use of
    a private email server.

    FBI director James Comey's decision to reopen an investigation 11 days before
    the election shook up the race.

    Mr Trump tweeted that Mrs Clinton was "guilty as hell".

    read more..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38611474

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    Investigating Investigators: DOJ to probe FBI’s handling of Clinton email inquiry



    Published on 13 Jan 2017
    The US Department of Justice is launching a review of how the FBI handled the
    inquiry into Hillary Clinton’s private email server, and whether public disclosures
    of the investigation cost Clinton the presidential election, as many have claimed
    - READ MORE https://on.rt.com/806z

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    This is a problem comparing leak with leak does not work.......


    Geraldo: The FBI has never been in more disrepute



    Published on 13 Jan 2017
    Fox News roaming correspondent-at-large blasts 'absolutely unprofessional' Comey


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    CrossTalk: Trumpism



    Published on 13 Jan 2017
    In a week’s time Donald Trump’s presidency will start. He has spoken disparagingly
    of Obama’s foreign policy. How will Trump approach the world? And will the
    Washington foreign policy elites and media attempt to block him every step of the
    way?
    CrossTalking with Sarah Yerkes, George Szamuely, and Gilbert Doctorow.

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    Behind Tulsi Gabbard's 'Stop Arming Terrorists' bill



    Published on 13 Jan 2017

    Congresswoman, one of the first Democrats to meet with President-elect Trump,
    explains her bill to stop the government from directly or indirectly arming, funding
    terror groups who are enemies of US but would help overthrow the Syrian
    government #Tucker
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    THE DEEP STATE / CIA - THE DEMOCRATS - LIBERAL JOURNALISTS
    The Mad Dogs - All Frothing at the Mouth

    As I had observed with my Post #1822 where I noticed that it appeared that Glenn Greenwald & Paul Craig Roberts were on the same page regarding the CIA (probably both read Valentine's book, "The CIA as Organized Crime") having seemingly gone to war against a Donald Trump Presidency... I find that Paul Craig Roberts on his blog yesterday had a link for this recent article written (below) by Glenn Greenwald...

    In January 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

    This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

    Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss, as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry, and damaging those behaviors might be.

    The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There is a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combating those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.

    But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

    Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?

    All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts, and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.


    For months, the CIA, with unprecedented clarity, overtly threw its weight behind Hillary Clinton’s candidacy and sought to defeat Donald Trump. In August, former acting CIA Director Michael Morell announced his endorsement of Clinton in the New York Times and claimed that “Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.” The CIA and NSA director under George W. Bush, Gen. Michael Hayden, also endorsed Clinton and went to the Washington Post to warn, in the week before the election, that “Donald Trump really does sound a lot like Vladimir Putin,” adding that Trump is “the useful fool, some naif, manipulated by Moscow, secretly held in contempt, but whose blind support is happily accepted and exploited.”

    It is not hard to understand why the CIA preferred Clinton over Trump. Clinton was critical of Obama for restraining the CIA’s proxy war in Syria and was eager to expand that war, while Trump denounced it. Clinton clearly wanted a harder line than Obama took against the CIA’s long-standing foes in Moscow, while Trump wanted improved relations and greater cooperation. In general, Clinton defended and intended to extend the decadeslong international military order on which the CIA and Pentagon’s preeminence depends, while Trump — through a still-uncertain mix of instability and extremist conviction — posed a threat to it.

    Whatever one’s views are on those debates, it is the democratic framework — the presidential election, the confirmation process, congressional leaders, judicial proceedings, citizen activism and protest, civil disobedience — that should determine how they are resolved. All of those policy disputes were debated out in the open; the public heard them; and Trump won. Nobody should crave the rule of Deep State overlords.

    Yet craving Deep State rule is exactly what prominent Democratic operatives and media figures are doing. Any doubt about that is now dispelled. Just last week, Chuck Schumer issued a warning to Trump, telling Rachel Maddow that Trump was being “really dumb” by challenging the unelected intelligence community because of all the ways they possess to destroy those who dare to stand up to them:


    And last night, many Democrats openly embraced and celebrated what was, so plainly, an attempt by the Deep State to sabotage an elected official who had defied it: ironically, its own form of blackmail.

    Back in October, a political operative and former employee of the British intelligence agency MI6 was being paid by Democrats to dig up dirt on Trump (before that, he was paid by anti-Trump Republicans). He tried to convince countless media outlets to publish a long memo he had written filled with explosive accusations about Trump’s treason, business corruption, and sexual escapades, with the overarching theme that Trump was in servitude to Moscow because they were blackmailing and bribing him.

    Despite how many had it, no media outlets published it. That was because these were anonymous claims unaccompanied by any evidence at all, and even in this more permissive new media environment, nobody was willing to be journalistically associated with it. As the New York Times’ Executive Editor Dean Baquet put it last night, he would not publish these “totally unsubstantiated” allegations because “we, like others, investigated the allegations and haven’t corroborated them, and we felt we’re not in the business of publishing things we can’t stand by.”

    The closest this operative got to success was convincing Mother Jones’s David Corn to publish an October 31 article reporting that “a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country” claims that “he provided the [FBI] with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump.”

    But because this was just an anonymous claim unaccompanied by any evidence or any specifics (which Corn withheld), it made very little impact. All of that changed yesterday. Why?

    What changed was the intelligence community’s resolution to cause this all to become public and to be viewed as credible. In December, John McCain provided a copy of this report to the FBI and demanded they take it seriously.

    At some point last week, the chiefs of the intelligence agencies decided to declare that this ex-British intelligence operative was “credible” enough that his allegations warranted briefing both Trump and Obama about them, thus stamping some sort of vague, indirect, and deniable official approval on these accusations. Someone — by all appearances, numerous officials — then went to CNN to tell the network they had done this, causing CNN to go on air and, in the gravest of tones, announce the “Breaking News” that “the nation’s top intelligence officials” briefed Obama and Trump that Russia had compiled information that “compromised President-elect Trump.”


    CNN refused to specify what these allegations were on the ground that it could not “verify” them. But with this document in the hands of multiple media outlets, it was only a matter of time — a small amount of time — before someone would step up and publish the whole thing. BuzzFeed quickly obliged, airing all of the unvetted, anonymous claims about Trump.

    Its editor-in-chief, Ben Smith, published a memo explaining that decision, saying that — although there was “serious reason to doubt the allegations” — BuzzFeed in general “errs on the side of publication” and “Americans can make up their own minds about the allegations.” Publishing this document predictably produced massive traffic (and thus profit) for the site, with millions of people viewing the article and presumably reading the “dossier.”


    One can certainly object to BuzzFeed’s decision and, as the New York Times noted this morning, many journalists are doing so. It’s almost impossible to imagine a scenario where it’s justifiable for a news outlet to publish a totally anonymous, unverified, unvetted document filled with scurrilous and inflammatory allegations about which its own editor-in-chief says there “is serious reason to doubt the allegations,” on the ground that they want to leave it to the public to decide whether to believe it.

    But even if one believes there is no such case where that is justified, yesterday’s circumstances presented the most compelling scenario possible for doing this. Once CNN strongly hinted at these allegations, it left it to the public imagination to conjure up the dirt Russia allegedly had to blackmail and control Trump. By publishing these accusations, BuzzFeed ended that speculation. More importantly, it allowed everyone to see how dubious this document is, one the CIA and CNN had elevated into some sort of grave national security threat.

    Almost immediately after it was published, the farcical nature of the “dossier” manifested. Not only was its author anonymous, but he was paid by Democrats (and, before that, by Trump’s GOP adversaries) to dig up dirt on Trump. Worse, he himself cited no evidence of any kind but instead relied on a string of other anonymous people in Russia he claims told him these things. Worse still, the document was filled with amateur errors.


    While many of the claims are inherently unverified, some can be confirmed. One such claim — that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen secretly traveled to Prague in August to meet with Russian officials — was strongly denied by Cohen, who insisted he had never been to Prague in his life (Prague is the same place that foreign intelligence officials claimed, in 2001, was the site of a nonexistent meeting between Iraqi officials and 9/11 hijackers, which contributed to 70 percent of Americans believing, as late as the fall of 2003, that Saddam personally planned the 9/11 attack). This morning, the Wall Street Journal reported that “the FBI has found no evidence that [Cohen] traveled to the Czech Republic.”

    None of this stopped Democratic operatives and prominent media figures from treating these totally unverified and unvetted allegations as grave revelations. [See Image] From Vox’s Zack Beauchamp:

    [Click Link to see tone of fomented Liberal-Mob-Crescendo-ing Twitter feeds...]

    Meanwhile, liberal commentator Rebecca Solnit declared this to be a “smoking gun” that proves Trump’s “treason,” while Daily Kos’s Markos Moulitsas sounded the same theme:

    While some Democrats sounded notes of caution — party loyalist Josh Marshall commendably urged: “I would say in reviewing raw, extremely raw ‘intel,’ people should retain their skepticism even if they rightly think Trump is the worst” — the overwhelming reaction was the same as all the other instances where the CIA and its allies released unverified claims about Trump and Russia: instant embrace of the evidence-free assertions as Truth, combined with proclamations that they demonstrated Trump’s status as a traitor (with anyone expressing skepticism designated a Kremlin agent or stooge).


    There is a real danger here that this maneuver could harshly backfire, to the great benefit of Trump and to the great detriment of those who want to oppose him. If any of the significant claims in this “dossier” turn out to be provably false — such as Cohen’s trip to Prague — many people will conclude, with Trump’s encouragement, that large media outlets (CNN and BuzzFeed) and anti-Trump factions inside the government (CIA) are deploying “Fake News” to destroy him. In the eyes of many people, that will forever discredit — render impotent — future journalistic exposés that are based on actual, corroborated wrongdoing.

    Beyond that, the threat posed by submitting ourselves to the CIA and empowering it to reign supreme outside of the democratic process is — as Eisenhower warned — an even more severe danger. The threat of being ruled by unaccountable and unelected entities is self-evident and grave. That’s especially true when the entity behind which so many are rallying is one with a long and deliberate history of lying, propaganda, war crimes, torture, and the worst atrocities imaginable.

    All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible. As my colleague Sam Biddle argued last week after disclosure of the farcical intelligence community report on Russian hacking — one that even Putin’s foes mocked as a bad joke — the utter lack of evidence for these allegations means “we need an independent, resolute inquiry.” But until then, assertions that are unaccompanied by evidence and disseminated anonymously should be treated with the utmost skepticism — not lavished with convenience-driven gullibility.

    Most important of all, the legitimate and effective tactics for opposing Trump are being utterly drowned by these irrational, desperate, ad hoc crusades that have no cogent strategy and make his opponents appear increasingly devoid of reason and gravity. Right now, Trump’s opponents are behaving as media critic Adam Johnson described: as ideological jellyfish, floating around aimlessly and lost, desperately latching on to whatever barge randomly passes by.

    There are solutions to Trump. They involve reasoned strategizing and patient focus on issues people actually care about. Whatever those solutions are, venerating the intelligence community, begging for its intervention, and equating its dark and dirty assertions as Truth are most certainly not among them. Doing that cannot possibly achieve any good and is already doing much harm.

    Glenn Greenwald

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    Officials Spell Out Inauguration Security Plans



    Published on 13 Jan 2017


    Jeh Johnson, Secretary of Homeland Security, and other officials outlined the
    security measures for next week's inauguration of President-elect Donald Trump. (Jan. 13)


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    Trump's cold war with "intelligence"



    Published on 13 Jan 2017

    Pres-elect Trump has harsh words for some in the U.S. intelligence community,
    while some of his cabinet picks deviate, sounding alarms on Russia.

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    Trump blames intelligence for leaks



    Published on 13 Jan 2017
    President-elect Trump is renewing attacks against the intelligence community
    on Twitter Friday morning. Trump is blaming intelligence for leaks and is
    promising a full report on hacking in 90 days. Washington Post reporter
    Amber Phillips joins CBSN with the latest

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    "If I was Trump I'd be angrier" - Jon Gaunt on Buzzfeed dossier



    Published on 12 Jan 2017
    Talk2MeRadio host Jon Gaunt spoke to RT about Buzzfeed reporting a
    "dirty dossier" targeting the President-elect.

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    'What's next, Mr. Putin? Invade the Disney channel?' - Galloway on
    RT C-SPAN interruption



    Published on 13 Jan 2017
    C-SPAN’s regular footage was replaced by RT’s news feed for 10 minutes,
    switching from their live coverage of proceedings in the House of
    Representatives on the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

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    JFK had good reason to "smash the CIA into a thousand pieces" in 1963 - hopefully Trump will finish the job

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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    JFK had good reason to "smash the CIA into a thousand pieces" in 1963 - hopefully Trump will finish the job
    KiwiElf

    Well, I have been quite hesitant to ask this particular question, myself... Perhaps, for the very reason of not wanting to expect too much out of this one particular man called Trump... Out of not expecting too much from a rather mishandled, mistreated & woefully exploited humanity, as well...

    We've watched as the CIA-backed MSM had thrown everything that they could at this man, in every attempt possible, to bring this man down... but all the mud & crap they could muster came as blow-back to them - it has come to hit them back in all of their faces...

    And now, its the CIA... the rogue Deep State itself, as overtly, and as indiscreetly as could be possible... is coming at this man... I had wondered several times recently, whether the same thing would happen to this black widow creature with a thousand tentacles reaching across this Earth, whether the same thing would happen to this organization... to the people of this organization... Yes, I wondered if it was even a very slight possibility...

    But since posting the above Paul Craig Roberts interview, I've gone ahead and asked the question... Is it possible?

    And now, after having done so... I am feeling such a huge release of tension flowing out of me - Yes, it is told... Donald Trump will finish the job... he will do what presently appears to be a completely impossible task. Yes, he will finish the job that JFK intended to do - of smashing the CIA into a thousand bits & pieces... and even now while writing this, I pose the question just one more time, before I finish typing... And yes, the answer is again repeated... as unbelievable as it is thought to be - the CIA & Deep State is coming to its final endpoint... I have to admit, too, with this realization... that the eyes are wet, now...

    Its really hard thing to come to grips with... What I mean is: its a very hard thing for anyone to actually see a positive outcome to all of what we've been witnessing for the past year & a half... for what has gone on over the past 100 years - the debauchery, the corruption, the depravity, the greed, the inhumanity, the degeneracy... the unbelievable satanic lunacy that has been taking place - right out in plain view for everyone to see... the decades of death, murder, bombs & war, people dying all across this planet...

    Just perhaps... humanity has reached to its lowest point?

    Could it be so wrong to actually find oneself being a witness to a humanity that has finally made its way out of a long, dismally dark & dreary tunnel of existence (if you could really call it a form of existence) and on the verge of entering a world of which lay an uplifting & brighter future?

    I await for the answer to this last question to come riding on the sound of the wind as it whispers its way through the ancient pines....

    peace out...
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    The Establishment Is Trying To Steal
    The Presidency From Trump

    — Paul Craig Roberts
    January 13, 2017 | Categories: Articles & Columns
    Reuters reports that 2,700 US troops accompanied by tanks are moving across Poland toward the Russian border. Col. Christopher Norrie, commander of the 3rd Armoured Brigade Combat Team, declared: “The main goal of our mission is deterrence and prevention of threats.” Apparently, the colonel is not sufficiently bright to realize that far from preventing threats, the force he is leading presents as a threat. And to no less a military power than Russia.

    What is the point of this miniscule force? It woud not constitute a threat to Russia if it were 100 times larger, perhaps even one thousand times larger. Remember, Hitler invaded Russia against an unprepared Stalin with the largest and best military force the world had ever seen in the largest military operation in human history. The German invasion force was comprised of 3,800,000 troops, 600,000 motorized vehicles, 3,350 tanks, 7,200 artillery pieces, and 2,770 aircraft. The Red Army, despite its officer corps having been purged by Stalin, ate up this magnificient force and won the war against Germany.

    Compared to Stalin’s Russia, Putin’s Russia is prepared. NATO is not capable of assemblying a large enough force to invade Russia. So what is the point of the 2,700 US troops moving across Poland toward Russia?

    The answer is to keep alive the Western propaganda that Russia is a threat and to make it as
    difficult as possible for Trump to normalize relations with Russia. It is extraordinary that the US military is conducting this provocative exercise that contradicts the policy of the incoming president. The US military, the CIA, and their whores in the US media are undemocratically pursuing their own agenda independently of the policy of the president-elect. According to the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, US intelligence officials have even warned the Israeli government not to share intelligence information with the Trump administration, because Putin has “leverages of pressure” over Trump and Trump will leak the information to Russia and Iran.

    We can see how the military/security complex’s sabotage of Trump’s policy works. Constant accusations have forced Trump to say that possibly the Russians were involved in a hacking that never occured, neither by Russia nor anyone else. Trump’s nominee for Secretary of State, Tillerson, has to declare Russia to be a threat in his confirmation hearing in order to be confirmed. Trump’s nominee for Secretary of Defense, Mattis, has had to say in his confirmation hearing that the US needs to be prepared to confront Russia militarily, adding that there are few areas in which the US can cooperate with Russia which he says is trying to break NATO.

    We could dismiss Trump’s admission as throwing a bone to the CIA so they can feel vindicated and get off his back, and the statements by Tillerson and Mattis could be dismissed as what has to be said in order to be confirmed. Nevertheless, these statements from Trump’s top appointments are being used as confirmations that everyone except Trump, even Trump’s own government, realize that Russia is a threat. The propaganda picture of Russia that the Obama regime worked so hard to create now has the luster of acceptance by Trump’s nominees for State and Defense. Whether Tillerson and Mattis mean it or not, clearly the US Congress in thrall to the campaign donations from the military/security complex is determined that Russia be regarded as a threat.

    The Russians watching all this must quickly be losing their hopes for normalized relations. The US ruling establishment is causing hope to fade and suspicion to rise in the Russian government, thus raising barriers within Russia herself to Trump’s policy of better relations.

    Nothing speaks more clearly of the unbridled evil of the US Establishment than its willingness to
    risk conflict with Russia for the sake of its hold on power and profit.

    Where is the liberal-left’s moral conscience? Why is the liberal-left helping the military/security complex delegitimize Trump and box him in so that his agenda is dead on arrival and thermo-nuclear war remains an option?

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    Quote Posted by seeker/reader (here)
    You do realize that the Gallup poll you posted said that Hispanics have a net negative of -51 of Trump...44 points worse that any other Republican candidate that ran. That would mean he is the WORST (not the top - like you said) among Latinos.
    But then check out the Univision poll posted above that.

    The Gallup poll was taken when Trump was just beginning his campaign. Check the date. Even if the data is reliable (and we have more than enough reason to question that -- like how all the MSM polls were saying he was going to lose the election and some even saying he only had a 1% chance of winning) it definitely changed over time. He won more of the Hispanic vote in the Nevada primaries, for example, compared to his competitors in the Republican party. The Univision poll above more accurately reflects that.

    There was another news item that just came out that showed that twice as many millennials actually voted for Trump than polls were showing before the election. I'm sure people in the polling industry will have lots of excuses for how they got everything so wrong but we knew what was happening. The polls were rigged. They were obviously rigged and they admitted it in their own data if you read the fine print, where they would admit to things like over-sampling Democratic voters and making various "adjustments" to better fit the fake reality the pollsters were living in.

    The LA Times Daybreak poll was the most accurate one (yet again) and they were being outright bullied by the MSM, called a "disgrace" and all kinds of other garbage for just reporting the data they were getting, which was obviously at odds with everyone else.


    TLDR: In case you missed what happened on November 8th, all those fake polls were wrong.

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    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    JFK had good reason to "smash the CIA into a thousand pieces" in 1963 - hopefully Trump will finish the job
    KiwiElf

    And now, after having done so... I am feeling such a huge release of tension flowing out of me - Yes, it is told... Donald Trump will finish the job... he will do what presently appears to be a completely impossible task. Yes, he will finish the job that JFK intended to do - of smashing the CIA into a thousand bits & pieces... and even now while writing this, I pose the question just one more time, before I finish typing... And yes, the answer is again repeated... as unbelievable as it is thought to be - the CIA & Deep State is coming to its final endpoint... I have to admit, too, with this realization... that the eyes are wet, now...
    Believe KiwiElf and Turiya pinch yourself if you have to, but yes it seem to be all happening.

    By the way, reliable unnamed sources are telling me that there is going to be a fire sale of tables, chairs, computers and shine near new Lincoln Town Cars all thanks to the CIA, so grab yourself a bargain.

    I also heard from other reliable unnamed sources that social services is bracing itself against a massive influx of unemployed, all thanks to "The Don", of former FBI and CIA agents.
    The new catch phrase for former agents I have been told by reliable unnamed sources, (I am starting to sound like CNN), will be "Would you like fries with that".
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    Quote Believe KiwiElf and Turiya pinch yourself if you have to, but yes it seem to be all happening.

    CIA NN, Mainstream News, INTEL agencies, Neo-con/Dem etc......BUT , BUt , But ,
    but Mr. President this is not in the script.......In this article President elect asking
    logical questions like Why can't we get along ?


    Quote "If you get along and if Russia is really helping us, why would anybody
    have sanctions if somebody's doing some really great things?"



    Trump 'willing to work with Russia and China'
    56 minutes ago

    US President-elect Donald Trump says he is willing to work with Russia and China,
    providing they cooperate.Mr Trump told the Wall Street Journal that newly-imposed
    sanctions on Russia would remain "at least for a period of time" but could then be lifted.

    He also said the One China policy, in which the US does not recognise Taiwan, was up
    for negotiation. Meanwhile, a US Senate committee announced it would investigate claims
    Russia meddled in the election.

    In his interview, Mr Trump said sanctions on Russia could be lifted if Moscow helped
    Washington in the war against Islamic extremism and in other matters.

    "If you get along and if Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if
    somebody's doing some really great things?"

    He said he hoped a meeting with President Vladimir Putin would be arranged.

    With regards to Beijing, Mr Trump said China had to allow US companies to compete by
    floating its currency.

    But he said he would not label China a currency manipulator the instant he took office.

    He had already questioned the One China policy last month, provoking angry responses in
    Chinese state media.

    'Full understanding'

    On Friday, the two most senior members of the Senate Intelligence Committee - made
    up of both Republicans and Democrats - announced it would launch an inquiry into
    Russian actions during the election

    read more.....


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38621025

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    One major conflict of interest trump will encounter is the
    Israel/Saudi/Iran/Syria/Iraq/Palestinian 'knot' which will be
    very difficult to unravel, since this is the main result of the
    neo-con/dem's on going agenda in the region for continuous
    war with the result of balkanising the middle east to give more
    security to Israel.....Trump is very pro Israel so this cloud be
    interesting.


    Israel prefers Al-Qaeda in Syria over Hezbollah & Assad – journalist



    Published on 13 Jan 2017
    Israeli jets have bombed the Mezzeh military airport west of Damascus.
    The airport was rocked by multiple explosions, and ambulances rushed
    to the scene. For more on the role of Israel in the Syrian war, RT America’s
    Anya Parampil is joined by independent journalist Rania Khalek.

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    Conway: Trump has 'very specific plans' for first 100 days



    Published on 13 Jan 2017

    Counselor to the president-elect discusses health care, energy investment,
    education and more on 'Hannity'
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    In his interview, Mr Trump said sanctions on Russia could be lifted if Moscow helped
    Washington in the war against Islamic extremism and in other matters.

    "If you get along and if Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if
    somebody's doing some really great things?"
    In other words, sanctions could be lifted if Moscow helps in getting rid of the CIA-backed proxy wars - using CIA supported Radical Islamic groups to foment war in the region of ME, not to forget the CIA-backed coup d'etats that occur elsewhere - such as in the recently evolved pro-Russian Ukraine & Turkey.

    What could possibly be facing Trump in the near-term is the upcoming dilemma that he would have with his hopes of having good relations with both Russia & Israel. Mixing water & oil together has never proven to be successful.

    Could Trump possibly position himself as being the focal point for a peaceful resolution to all these opposing forces to come together on?

    Again only time will tell how all these questions come to a resolution...

    Sheikh Imran Hosein About
    Donald Trump's Election

    (Published on Nov 23, 2016)
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    Donald Trump not a legitimate president,
    says veteran Congressman John Lewis


    Rep John Lewis has not missed a presidential inauguration
    since he took office in 1987 NBC/Twitter

    More Trump Tweets...
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    Congressman John Lewis should spend more
    time on fixing and helping his district, which is
    in horrible shape and falling apart (not to......


    4:50 AM - 14 Jan 2017
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    mention crime infested) rather than falsely
    complaining about the election results. All talk,
    talk, talk - no action or results. Sad!


    5:07 AM - 14 Jan 2017
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    INTELLIGENCE INSIDERS NOW CLAIM THE
    TRUMP DOSSIER IS "A COMPLETE
    FRAUD!" @OANN


    5:14 AM - 14 Jan 2017
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    Recent News from Zero Hedge

    Mainstream Media Meltdown: 'Journalists' Seek 'Safe Space' To Discuss "How To Cover Trump"


    After the president-elect's first press conference since the election this week, it appears the mainstream media is in need of a 'safe space'. As The Hill reports, so-called journalists from the Huffington Post, Slate, CNN, and Univision will gather days before Donald Trump’s inauguration to publicly discuss "how the news media can and should proceed to cover" the president-elect.
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    Confirmed: "Unknown" Republican, Democrat Paid For Anti-Trump Report


    "[Steele] told me that he had been retained in early June by a private research firm in the United States to look into Trump's activity in Europe and Russia. The American firm was conducting a Trump opposition research project that was first financed by a Republican source until the funding switched to a Democratic one. He was never told the identity of the client."
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    Is This The Coup In America? "U.S. Troops On Russian Border" To Start War Before Inauguration


    Is there a coup underway, while America is in the transition period, and before Trump swears in as the 45th president of the United States?
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    Artist's Impression Of Obama's Farewell Address


    "King of the world..."
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    Quote ... during a hail storm, and people were running out in the open getting pelted by very large hail stones - some the size of softballs.


    Seems like some "undercover" people are being "discovered" and adequately pelted with rotten tomatoes and rotten eggs...
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote ... during a hail storm, and people were running out in the open getting pelted by very large hail stones - some the size of softballs.


    Seems like some "undercover" people are being "discovered" and adequately pelted with rotten tomatoes and rotten eggs...
    The following is being promoted by the "Committee to Protect Journalists"
    _________lol! Protection from Trump _________


    Mainstream Media Meltdown: 'Journalists' Seek 'Safe Space' To Discuss "How To Cover Trump"

    by Tyler Durden
    Jan 13, 2017 11:35 PM

    After the president-elect's first press conference since the election this week, it appears the mainstream media is in need of a 'safe space'. As The Hill reports, so-called journalists from the Huffington Post, Slate, CNN, and Univision will gather days before Donald Trump’s inauguration to publicly discuss "how the news media can and should proceed to cover" the president-elect.
    After this happened...

    Slate will host the event next Wednesday, called “Not the New Normal.” CNN’s Brian Stelter will moderate the panel at New York University. As The Hill details,
    The focus of the discussion will include "how journalists and media companies at large can play a bigger role in making sure that fact prevails over fiction in the coming months and years," according to Slate.

    Slate’s editor in chief Julia Turner and Slate Group chairman Jacob Weisberg — who hosts “Trumpcast,” a podcast dedicated to covering the president-elect — will participate in the panel.

    Joining them will be Borja Echevarría, Univision Digital’s vice president and editor in chief; Huffington Post editor in chief Lydia Polgreen and New Yorker editor David Remnick.

    Most of the panelists were staunchly critical of Trump during the campaign and since Election Day.
    Tickets will cost $30, with proceeds benefiting the Committee to Protect Journalists.


    This is the first time Slate has hosted a panel to discuss how to cover an incoming president.

    ZERO HEDGE
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    I was just listening to this H A Goodman post and he reminded me of something
    from last week. Maddow had a 'melt down' when Trump won so is constantly
    after him.....



    CHUCK SCHUMER THREATENS TRUMP ON MSNBC MADDOW:
    Schumer Boasts Intel Community Will Target Trump



    Published on 13 Jan 2017

    My name is H. A. Goodman and I’m an author, columnist, and journalist www.hagoodman.com
    "You take on the intelligence community? They have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you" - Chuck Schumer
    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/...


    Senator Chuck Schumer On Rachel Maddow's Show 'CIA & FBI Are Plotting Revenge Against Trump'




    Published on 12 Jan 2017

    Chuck Schumer says CIA & FBI are plotting REVENGE AGAINST Donald Trump In Rachel Maddow Show


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    Mean while at CIA NN they are still flipping out at any suggestion that any of
    Trumps team speaking to RUSSIA !!

    Coons: Flynn's calls with Russia "very suspici...



    Published on 13 Jan 2017
    Senator Chris Coons tells Erin Burnett that General Mike Flynn's calls with Russia

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    Trump adviser had recent contacts with Russia



    Published on 13 Jan 2017
    Gen. Michael Flynn, Donald Trump's incoming national security adviser, has
    recently been in contact with Russian officials, CNN has learned. Jim Sciutto reports.
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