Dutch Election Results are starting to come in...

[Karma Ninja]

According to most sources I can find on the Results of the elections in the Netherlands it appears as though Rutte has won the election. The Dutch always seem to form coalition governments as they have a multi-party system

People who were worried that a wave of far-right populism was sweeping across the world can breathe a little easier as there appears to have been at least a stumble in the road for the far-right Nationalist/Populist groups in upcoming European elections.

http://wikielections.com/europe-elec...-constituency/

http://time.com/4701925/netherlands-...utte-populism/

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/03/15/...leader-wilders

It will still be interesting to follow the upcoming French election and a few others around Europe in the coming year.

I personally think any inclination people may have had to vote for Mr Wilders were squashed when the world witnessed the ongoing backlash against the US for voting in Trump. This will likely become the trend.

***Edit*** It is now official. Rutte has won the election by what is being described as a landslide victory even though his VVD party barely holds 20% of the seats. The far right populist party PVV won only 20 seats which is roughly 13% of the seats. The Dutch have multiple parties which form coalitions to get votes to pass.

[Eram]

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)

I personally think any inclination people may have had to vote for Mr Wilders were squashed when the world witnessed the ongoing backlash against the US for voting in Trump. This will likely become the trend.

I respectfully disagree.

Wilders had a very lame campaign and did not show up for most of the TV debates.
On top of that, VDD pulled a stunt with 2 Turkish ministers who came to the Netherlands to campaign for an upcoming referendum in Turykey. Though a somewhat awkward move, Mark Rutte, our sitting prime minister (VVD) ordered the 2 ministers to be sent out of the Netherlands before they could address the crowds.
Since then, they took away about 30% of Wilders voters.
Talking about political opportunism eh?

The trend will not be a decline of conservatism and nationalism, but an increase in years to come.

[Karma Ninja]

Posted by Eram (here)

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)

I personally think any inclination people may have had to vote for Mr Wilders were squashed when the world witnessed the ongoing backlash against the US for voting in Trump. This will likely become the trend.

I respectfully disagree.

Wilders had a very lame campaign and did not show up for most of the TV debates.
On top of that, VDD pulled a stunt with 2 Turkish ministers who came to the Netherlands to campaign for an upcoming referendum in Turykey. Though a somewhat awkward move, Mark Rutte, our sitting prime minister (VVD) ordered the 2 ministers to be sent out of the Netherlands before they could address the crowds.
Since then, they took away about 30% of Wilders voters.
Talking about political opportunism eh?

The trend will not be a decline of conservatism and nationalism, but an increase in years to come.

Awesome to see that the 1st response is from someone more familiar with this election than most here. Thanks for jumping in!

I am curious if VDD and VVD are separate parties or if it was just a typo? I assume you mean that VVD pulled the stunt and was wondering what the basis for that was? Is there proof it was orchestrated by VVD? I had heard that Wilders had made a few blunders in the past few weeks. I saw the polls showing he was dropping. I guess Dutch polls are more accurate than American ones.

I meant the short term trend would see people like Wilders and Le Pen lose support in the weeks leading up to the elections. I fully agree that the long term trend will be towards more nationalism and conservatism.

[Eram]

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)

Posted by Eram (here)

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)

I personally think any inclination people may have had to vote for Mr Wilders were squashed when the world witnessed the ongoing backlash against the US for voting in Trump. This will likely become the trend.

I respectfully disagree.

Wilders had a very lame campaign and did not show up for most of the TV debates.
On top of that, VDD pulled a stunt with 2 Turkish ministers who came to the Netherlands to campaign for an upcoming referendum in Turykey. Though a somewhat awkward move, Mark Rutte, our sitting prime minister (VVD) ordered the 2 ministers to be sent out of the Netherlands before they could address the crowds.
Since then, they took away about 30% of Wilders voters.
Talking about political opportunism eh?

The trend will not be a decline of conservatism and nationalism, but an increase in years to come.

Awesome to see that the 1st response is from someone more familiar with this election than most here. Thanks for jumping in!

I am curious if VDD and VVD are separate parties or if it was just a typo? I assume you mean that VVD pulled the stunt and was wondering what the basis for that was? Is there proof it was orchestrated by VVD? I had heard that Wilders had made a few blunders in the past few weeks. I saw the polls showing he was dropping. I guess Dutch polls are more accurate than American ones.

I meant the short term trend would see people like Wilders and Le Pen lose support in the weeks leading up to the elections. I fully agree that the long term trend will be towards more nationalism and conservatism.

Yes, that was a typo.

Is there proof it was orchestrated by VVD?

Well, the Dutch media almost only had Mark Rutte (VVD prime minister) addressing the unfolding visiting of the Turkish minister(s) issue in the media outlets. Not sure how all the executive power lines operate, but it sure was mark Rutte who made all the head lines and who took a firm stance against Turkey.
VVD scored big points on that.

[Chester]

Eram... please, if you don't mind, comment on how much you think the following article correctly (or not) portrays the current Ditch political situation.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...ings-to-power/

[Helene West]

Is Eram in the Netherlands?
If so, I'd like his opinion as well - Does he think wilders was defeated because the Dutch felt that wilders was economically bad for them somehow or if the mind control of whites, i.e., white-guilt, compelled to prove they're not racists, etc. was in operation? thx

[Karma Ninja]

Posted by Eram (here)
Well, the Dutch media almost only had Mark Rutte (VVD prime minister) addressing the unfolding visiting of the Turkish minister(s) issue in the media outlets. Not sure how all the executive power lines operate, but it sure was mark Rutte who made all the head lines and who took a firm stance against Turkey.
VVD scored big points on that.

How does it work in the Netherlands? In Canada, we have a multi-party system but in reality we have only ever had 2 parties govern our country. (Liberals and Conservatives. Left and Right respectively) We have the New Democratic Party (NDP) party who are further left than the Liberals. In the past we have had other further right parties that emerged but usually they merge with the Conservative party and form one party. So our Left wing vote is typically split between 2 parties and our right is united. There are a bunch of other fringe parties who can occasionally grab a seat in our Parliament but very rarely and they never have a real voice.

What are the various parties in the Netherlands and how do they usually fare in elections? Are there old coalitions that exist who traditionally assist each other? Is it a revolving door of parties and leaders or is there consistency? I am really just curious and would appreciate your response.

Thanks to you as I await your response.

[Eram]

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
Eram... please, if you don't mind, comment on how much you think the following article correctly (or not) portrays the current Ditch political situation.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...ings-to-power/

Hi Sam,

I think the article is fairly correct.

A few small additions perhaps that might help to place it all in a better context:

- The elections four years ago was heavily polled in the weeks leading up to the election and combined with a sort of new popular thing to do... tactical voting. A lot of people voted that year to either VVD or PVDA (labor) in order to prevent the other party to become the largest one and deliver the prime minister.
This elections, people have come to realize that tactical voting is counter productive and the current results are a better reflection of the ideals that live with Dutch citizens. At the very least, it's more in line with what we are used to (though still a lot of people voted VVD in order to keep PVV from becoming biggest party).
Labor party has performed pretty bad in the last four years, so got punished for it and lost a lot of seats. (there are other reasons too, but these ones are perhaps the most important).

- Wilders (PVV) has had a dramatic campaign.
I think he had the voters up for the taking and could have become the largest party easily if he had done a better job.
There are several reasons as to the question of "why", but I think one of them is that Wilders is scared to put his money where his mouth is and actually govern. He enjoys the platform of opposition.

On a personal note: I would never vote for Wilders, but I sympathize with the issues that he is trying to bring to light, namely the problems around multiculturalism, the problems of a very rapid growth if Islam in Europe and the undemocratic (pro globalist) EU that needs to be reformed dramatically or be done with.
I noticed that a large portion of the Netherlands still has a knee jerk reaction to these kind of issues and do not wish to enter a objective debate about it and resort to demonize people who do want to get to the root of it.
72 years after WW2, people are still scared ****less about even a hint of nationalism and rather submerge themselves in political correctness as to not ruffle any feathers.

[Eram]

Posted by Helene West (here)
Is Eram in the Netherlands?
If so, I'd like his opinion as well - Does he think wilders was defeated because the Dutch felt that wilders was economically bad for them somehow or if the mind control of whites, i.e., white-guilt, compelled to prove they're not racists, etc. was in operation? thx

Yes Helene, I'm Dutch and live in the Netherlands.

I guess I answered my opinions on a large part of your questions in my reply above to Sam.

About fear of economic decline under Wilders?
I just don't know, but I think it's a valid question.

Yes, mind control (both self imposed and deliberate by globalists) and white-guilt run deep in Europe as far as I can judge.
I'm still learning about this issue and cannot say that I've got a full or deep understanding on the how and why exactly.
Lots of childish Utopian world views, combined with blind spots or denial and a fierce urge for political correctness in the left though.

[Eram]

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)

Posted by Eram (here)
Well, the Dutch media almost only had Mark Rutte (VVD prime minister) addressing the unfolding visiting of the Turkish minister(s) issue in the media outlets. Not sure how all the executive power lines operate, but it sure was mark Rutte who made all the head lines and who took a firm stance against Turkey.
VVD scored big points on that.

How does it work in the Netherlands? In Canada, we have a multi-party system but in reality we have only ever had 2 parties govern our country. (Liberals and Conservatives. Left and Right respectively) We have the New Democratic Party (NDP) party who are further left than the Liberals. In the past we have had other further right parties that emerged but usually they merge with the Conservative party and form one party. So our Left wing vote is typically split between 2 parties and our right is united. There are a bunch of other fringe parties who can occasionally grab a seat in our Parliament but very rarely and they never have a real voice.

What are the various parties in the Netherlands and how do they usually fare in elections? Are there old coalitions that exist who traditionally assist each other? Is it a revolving door of parties and leaders or is there consistency? I am really just curious and would appreciate your response.

Thanks to you as I await your response.

I'm by no means an expert on Dutch politics Karma ninja, but in general I would say that in the Netherlands ( and much of the European nations) we have a system that is more toward multi parties. There is also a general split between left and right of course, but more parties that have a voice.

What are the various parties in the Netherlands and how do they usually fare in elections? Are there old coalitions that exist who traditionally assist each other? Is it a revolving door of parties and leaders or is there consistency? I am really just curious and would appreciate your response.

These are questions that are not easy to answer, nor in a few lines of words.
Also, no source of information for education to this subject comes to mind, so I cannot really help you here.

In general I would guess that the Netherlands is among the best functioning democracies in the world.
That's about all that I dare say about it.

[Jantje]

I would say that the dutch political system is designed to be as inneffective as possible.

The only way Wilders would be able to take part in a government is if other parties would consider forming a coalition with his PVV party.

It is very clear that such a political party does not exist.

Wilders is more a symbolic phenomenom. Everybody knows.
Nothing is gonna change in this country.

Besides that our politicians are more concerned with helping big companies avoiding taxes and nonsense like that.

pfffffffffffff

[Jantje]

Quote by Eram :

On a personal note: I would never vote for Wilders, but I sympathize with the issues that he is trying to bring to light, namely the problems around multiculturalism, the problems of a very rapid growth if Islam in Europe and the undemocratic (pro globalist) EU that needs to be reformed dramatically or be done with.
I noticed that a large portion of the Netherlands still has a knee jerk reaction to these kind of issues and do not wish to enter a objective debate about it and resort to demonize people who do want to get to the root of it.
72 years after WW2, people are still scared ****less about even a hint of nationalism and rather submerge themselves in political correctness as to not ruffle any feathers.[/QUOTE/

I feel absolutely the same about this as Eram does

[Helene West]

Posted by Eram (here)

Posted by Helene West (here)
Is Eram in the Netherlands?
If so, I'd like his opinion as well - Does he think wilders was defeated because the Dutch felt that wilders was economically bad for them somehow or if the mind control of whites, i.e., white-guilt, compelled to prove they're not racists, etc. was in operation? thx

Yes Helene, I'm Dutch and live in the Netherlands.

I guess I answered my opinions on a large part of your questions in my reply above to Sam.

About fear of economic decline under Wilders?
I just don't know, but I think it's a valid question.

Yes, mind control (both self imposed and deliberate by globalists) and white-guilt run deep in Europe as far as I can judge.
I'm still learning about this issue and cannot say that I've got a full or deep understanding on the how and why exactly.
Lots of childish Utopian world views, combined with blind spots or denial and a fierce urge for political correctness in the left though.

Thx Eram. Do you think if a more intelligent leader (wilders didn't seem too bright in my cursory readings of the campaign) of the PPV was running the PPV would have won?

I watched for a bit Red Ice radio's live feed simulcasting with some office in the Netherlands and a young Ductch guy was saying it is the older generation that votes establishment. He said something to the effect that our own grandparents are voting for the status quo knowing they are leaving their own grandkids to deal with all the muslim/multicultural crap.
Does that seem true to you?

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Posted by Jantje (here)
Quote by Eram :

On a personal note: I would never vote for Wilders, but I sympathize with the issues that he is trying to bring to light, namely the problems around multiculturalism, the problems of a very rapid growth if Islam in Europe and the undemocratic (pro globalist) EU that needs to be reformed dramatically or be done with.
I noticed that a large portion of the Netherlands still has a knee jerk reaction to these kind of issues and do not wish to enter a objective debate about it and resort to demonize people who do want to get to the root of it.
72 years after WW2, people are still scared ****less about even a hint of nationalism and rather submerge themselves in political correctness as to not ruffle any feathers.[/QUOTE/

I feel absolutely the same about this as Eram does

Jantje, what do you predict about the French election?!

[Jantje]

Hi Helene,
I'm dutch, meaning I live in the Netherlands. I don't really know what is gonna happen in France regarding elections.
The EU seems doomed to me regardless. In the long run anyway. It just leads to more corruption on a bigger scale.

I do agree with the guy on red ice if he said the old babyboomers all vote establishment. without a doubt.
year after year without much progress if any, and they keep doing it.
Long live the status quo

I'm sick of it all really and focus on my own life.

[Eram]

Posted by Helene West (here)

Posted by Eram (here)

Posted by Helene West (here)
Is Eram in the Netherlands?
If so, I'd like his opinion as well - Does he think wilders was defeated because the Dutch felt that wilders was economically bad for them somehow or if the mind control of whites, i.e., white-guilt, compelled to prove they're not racists, etc. was in operation? thx

Yes Helene, I'm Dutch and live in the Netherlands.

I guess I answered my opinions on a large part of your questions in my reply above to Sam.

About fear of economic decline under Wilders?
I just don't know, but I think it's a valid question.

Yes, mind control (both self imposed and deliberate by globalists) and white-guilt run deep in Europe as far as I can judge.
I'm still learning about this issue and cannot say that I've got a full or deep understanding on the how and why exactly.
Lots of childish Utopian world views, combined with blind spots or denial and a fierce urge for political correctness in the left though.

Thx Eram. Do you think if a more intelligent leader (wilders didn't seem too bright in my cursory readings of the campaign) of the PPV was running the PPV would have won?

I watched for a bit Red Ice radio's live feed simulcasting with some office in the Netherlands and a young Ductch guy was saying it is the older generation that votes establishment. He said something to the effect that our own grandparents are voting for the status quo knowing they are leaving their own grandkids to deal with all the muslim/multicultural crap.
Does that seem true to you?[COLOR="red"]

Again, very good question Helene.
It's hard to tell.

There is an intelligent right wing political leader in any case who participated with these elections for the first time.
They won 2 seats with his "forum for democracy" and could rise to a lot more seats in the next election when they have gained more name recognizance.
His name is Thierry Baudet, a jurist, historian and intellectual.
He's the first political leader who I know of (in the Netherlands at least) who gets to the root of issues concerning immigration, integration, culture and ethnicity.

About the Red Ice live feed and the notion that it is baby boomers who keep the establishment in place: I am unfamiliar with what segments of the populace vote for what parties, but it would not surprise me at all.
The young people that I know and know who they vote for go for parties who are anti establishment, like PVV, PvdD (I voted for them) or the green party.

[Red Skywalker]

I am Dutch and disappointed.
I hoped more people were awake in my country, but to me it's a dessert.
Nothing new will come and we will be drowned further into the swamp.
Just a few thousand awakened against 6 million will realize that.

Is there any escape?

[sheme]

You may have had the results messed with just like Hillary tried to do to Donald.

[Phoenix1304]

Hey Red, I feel your pain.

I can't find a place on this planet that isn't choking on diesel or chemtrails or suffering under the iron fist governance of disgusting elites that squander billions on insane desires, trillions even, that could save earth and all her inhabitants and I feel I'm already living in the zombie apocalypse.

I will continue to aspire to escape but the truth is that my only way out, for the moment, is within. Brief respite. Hang in there and as we say in U.K. "Don't let the bastards get you down". I'm struggling too, I try to put as much energy into how I can manifest the escape as I do on how awful the matrix is. It may not seem like it but hundreds of thousands of humans are envisioning better ways and I like to think it will come to pass, if only for them....

Hugs.

[Eram]

Posted by sheme (here)
You may have had the results messed with just like Hillary tried to do to Donald.

Well, there's this bunch of globalists trying to bring about a one world government that cannot stand a certain president in a certain country and they came up with an idea to delegitimize his presidency with a fake news story about Russia, hacking into the elections.

Some of that fall out of this fake news story is that in the Netherlands (Very scared of Russian meddling in our elections now) for the first time since long, paper ballots are back and voting machines are gone.

[Helene West]

Posted by Red Skywalker (here)
I am Dutch and disappointed.
I hoped more people were awake in my country, but to me it's a dessert.
Nothing new will come and we will be drowned further into the swamp.
Just a few thousand awakened against 6 million will realize that.

Is there any escape?

Hi Red

If you mean by escape another country or planet, no.
I would respond further to your question but I think it may be rhetorical and I don't want to sound like a teacher or preacher...
I'll just say that I suspect many Caucasian people will soon be approaching the point that heroes arrive at right before they make the decision to be heroes or the opposite.

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Posted by Eram (here)

Posted by sheme (here)
You may have had the results messed with just like Hillary tried to do to Donald.

Well, there's this bunch of globalists trying to bring about a one world government that cannot stand a certain president in a certain country and they came up with an idea to delegitimize his presidency with a fake news story about Russia, hacking into the elections.

Some of that fall out of this fake news story is that in the Netherlands (Very scared of Russian meddling in our elections now) for the first time since long, paper ballots are back and voting machines are gone.

Paper ballots! that is good news at least.