The Corey Goode affair: various updates from David Wilcock

[Flash]

ok Just saw what is going on Seeking Senior aka Seashore.

You are hooked on Corey Goode in multiple threads and are trolling threads after threads on the same topic.

Is that Corey who sent you here?

What is the purpose?

At first glance it seems to be the pleasure of trolling and raising arguments and upsets.

Because you ask questions on other's behaviors but do not answer about yours.

I give you no more than 10 more threads. My bet

[Omni]

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)
In the case of Corey's statements, are you saying that he first said he was not in the secret space program and then turned around and said he was, thus telling a lie?

Please read the post I quoted if you want to know this. I quoted exactly what you wanted and you refused to read it. So why should I spend my time for you now, so you can either refuse to give it a chance or rationalize it with some sort of rubbish logic.

[Ewan]

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
The problem is that one’s intuition, however reliable it works for oneself, operates by making logical leaps that others are unable to follow.

It is true that what I’ve said cannot be followed by others because presumably others on this forum have not heard and observed what I’ve heard and observed, that is, you are not watching Corey’s testimony on gaia.com.

We’re not on the same page.

By the same token, I did not participate in evaluating Corey’s statements made early on, before he began working with David Wilcock.

It is not helpful to expect me to read old threads.

But it would be helpful if members would summarize for me on what specifically they base the accusation that Corey is a liar.

I think you have revealed the root of the problem right here. You are not willing to do any kind of investigation by yourself, you want others to tell you the answers you seek.

I hate to break it to you but it is doubtful you will learn much of value following this method.

I fear there would be little room for new information anyway, and it would have quite a battle to get past your adopted viewpoints.

I say adopted as I assume they are not from your research (seeking), someone else must have told you them (given).

[Innocent Warrior]

Deleted post, falling on deaf ears.

[Ewan]

It is a simple enough matter to compare like with like and make an assumption of integrity.

Does Bill Ryan slander and defame Corey Goode? Is the reverse, or has it ever been, true? Does/did Corey Goode slander and defame Bill Ryan/Project Avalon?

I would be inclined to use the answers to these questions in the process of investigating the veracity of one position or another.

I hope you find a way to be open minded Seeking Senior I will not engage further.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Ewan (here)
Does Bill Ryan slander and defame Corey Goode? Is the reverse, or has it ever been, true? Does/did Corey Goode slander and defame Bill Ryan/Project Avalon?

The measure of a man is the way he bears up under misfortune.
~ Plutarch

[araucaria]

‘The Turing test is a test, developed by Alan Turing in 1950, of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human.’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

From what we have seen so far from this poster’s two dozen contributions, they fail the Turing test. That is not to say the poster is a computer, it just means that humans can exhibit behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a machine. As AI smartens up, we humans have to smarten up our specifically human behaviours that machines cannot copy successfully. This way we make it harder for machines to pass the Turing test: ‘we are not on the same page’. These posts are bereft of the qualities we normally associate with human, being restricted to the things that machines do well, such as building empty rhetoric in response to other input. Not good enough. We don’t want machines passing for human; neither do we want humans passing for machines.

That’s me finished here.

[Hervé]

Here is a repeat from another thread on that very same subject:

Posted by Hervé (here)
As I wrote earlier:

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)
[...]
I really don't want to read a number of threads here.

Then, you'll entirely miss out on why:

"deluded, influenced, paid, confused, and/or knowingly lying/plagiarizing."

... is not a blanket statement but rather very hard-earned conclusions from suffering that individual's megalomania and "folie des grandeurs" on this very forum.

Your choice.

Documented on this forum is a before and after "Corey"through his own posts. Your choice to not even bother getting acquainted with those threads and posts and which makes for an interesting textbook case example of "cognitive dissonance."

As for:

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)
[...]
... "blank slating" their minions.[...]

... there is also a reverse to that coin and that's to get some individuals to create and live in a totally virtual, fantastic universe of their own imagination as can be demonstrated with the oft reproduced experiment known as "The Third Man In The Room" and which any good hypnotist can reproduce.

[Seeking Senior]

Posted by Omnisense (here)
Please read the post I quoted if you want to know this. I quoted exactly what you wanted and you refused to read it. So why should I spend my time for you now, so you can either refuse to give it a chance or rationalize it with some sort of rubbish logic.

Okay. I'll take that as yes, you're saying that Corey consciously lied about being in the secret space program.

Now, I must repeat my question to you:

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)
Are you not aware that people get their minds wiped by their controllers when they're in the secret space program, so they won't remember, but that in some cases people overcome that mind control?

[Nasu]

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)

Posted by Omnisense (here)
Please read the post I quoted if you want to know this. I quoted exactly what you wanted and you refused to read it. So why should I spend my time for you now, so you can either refuse to give it a chance or rationalize it with some sort of rubbish logic.

Okay. I'll take that as yes, you're saying that Corey consciously lied about being in the secret space program.

Now, I must repeat my question to you:

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)
Are you not aware that people get their minds wiped by their controllers when they're in the secret space program, so they won't remember, but that in some cases people overcome that mind control?

Your line of reasoning makes no logical sense. If we accept that people in the program have their minds controlled and at the end of their service have their minds wiped, how on earth can we possibly know if they overcome this programming, which memories were theirs and which were implanted to "write" over the true memories??? You could chase your own tail till the grave trying to answer an imponderable such as this.

My recommend, for whatever it's worth is make a nice cup of tea and take a break. Do some research in other directions around your topic of interest, the secret space program. If Corey is real you will find tons of unrelated supporting evidence... N

[Seeking Senior]

Posted by Nasu (here)
If we accept that people in the program have their minds controlled and at the end of their service have their minds wiped, how on earth can we possibly know if they overcome this programming, which memories were theirs and which were implanted to "write" over the true memories???

Yes, it is extremely difficult to make sense out of anything to do with black projects, the secret space program being one of them, and all of the rest of what’s going on in the shadow government.

But we have to do our best.

Posted by Nasu (here)
Do some research in other directions around your topic of interest, the secret space program.

What makes you assume I haven’t done that?

I have watched all of the videos of the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure. For those who are unfamiliar with it, excerpts of the testimony are available on YouTube. Here is a playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...kMZuCbliwxWPPM

I have watched all the archives of the Secret Space Program Conference 2015. Here is a link for those excerpts: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...rQaI7njf0l05wF

And of course, there is the collection from Project Camelot, which I have followed for years.

[Nasu]

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)

Posted by Nasu (here)
If we accept that people in the program have their minds controlled and at the end of their service have their minds wiped, how on earth can we possibly know if they overcome this programming, which memories were theirs and which were implanted to "write" over the true memories???

Yes, it is extremely difficult to make sense out of anything to do with black projects, the secret space program being one of them, and all of the rest of what’s going on in the shadow government.

But we have to do our best.

Posted by Nasu (here)
Do some research in other directions around your topic of interest, the secret space program.

What makes you assume I haven’t done that?

I have watched all of the videos of the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure. For those who are unfamiliar with it, excerpts of the testimony are available on YouTube. Here is a playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...kMZuCbliwxWPPM

I have watched all the archives of the Secret Space Program Conference 2015. Here is a link for those excerpts: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...rQaI7njf0l05wF

And of course, there is the collection from Project Camelot, which I have followed for years.

Well there you go, what else could there be to know, my mistake for assuming, it's all settled then.....

I have some other things to do with my time, so if you'll excuse me... N

[Chester]

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
Considering you've clearly already made up your mind about Corey and you aren't interested in debating the issue, what exactly do you expect to accomplish from this post?

I am backing up what I have stated regarding Bill Ryan's apparent personal issue regarding Corey Goode, as opposed to the veracity of Corey's witness statements as a participant in the secret space program.

Hi. It may be convenient to conclude that Bill's post suggests "personal." You are probably unaware of the dozens of far more vicious attacks PA and/or Bill has experienced as this goes with the territory. That territory includes:

Revealing research results which various third parties wish would remain hidden.

Becoming very well known around the world... no one doesn't know of either Project Camelot or Bill Ryan (and 99% know of both) if they have ventured into the information generically called "alternative."

And that by combining Bill's reputation and accomplishments where Bill then agrees with an arrangement with Kerry (Bill's former Project Camelot sole partner) that he is given the Project Avalon forum whereby this forum becomes Bill's alone and thus solely Bill's responsibility... that he then puts together a core staff, attracts excellent administrators and moderators who give their heart and time for administering and moderating what swiftly emerged to be (far and away) the very best forum of this kind in at least the English speaking world of the internet (if not the entire internet)... a forum which logically attracts all sorts of folks, some who... whether intending so from the outset or later (as I suspect has been the case with Corey Goode) ...see that the forum could be used opportunistically for all forms of exploitation - that the forum ends up requiring membership management actions which anger some into engaging Bill Ryan and/or Project Avalon and/or PA staff and/or other PA members... and so most certainly one can understand how Bill, staff, members and other friends of Avalon might have issues with the aggrieved (as Corey Goode became).

I noticed in another thread you brought up Corey Goode in a sympathetic light and defensively yet when I made the following post (based on personal, direct experience with Corey Goode and other actors involved with each other at that time), you did not respond. So I bring this post to your attention again -

HERE and ask you to consider the questions I have asked myself... and that you might post your own answers.

[AutumnW]

This is the oddest interrogation!

[Seeking Senior]

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

You are probably unaware of the dozens of far more vicious attacks PA and/or Bill has experienced as this goes with the territory. That territory includes:

Revealing research results which various third parties wish would remain hidden.

Please clarify exactly what you're talking about there.

In other words, is that directed at Corey Goode? If so, how?

(Meanwhile, I'm working on responding on the other thread.)

[Flash]

Bon, on a définitivement un troll ou une obsessive-compulsive, mais ce n'est pas habituel ce genre de comportement, de fil en fil.
Hervé!!! à l'aide! lollllllll

We definitly have a troll or an obsessive-compulsive here, but this kind of behavior from thread to thread is not usual from regular genuine posters.

And of course, she will not answer to any of my posts because she knows I do not take her baits.

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

You are probably unaware of the dozens of far more vicious attacks PA and/or Bill has experienced as this goes with the territory. That territory includes:

Revealing research results which various third parties wish would remain hidden.

Please clarify exactly what you're talking about there.

In other words, is that directed at Corey Goode? If so, how?

(Meanwhile, I'm working on responding on the other thread.)

[Nasu]

Posted by Flash (here)
Bon, on a définitivement un troll ou une obsessive-compulsive, mais ce n'est pas habituel ce genre de comportement, de fil en fil.
Hervé!!! à l'aide! lollllllll

We definitly have a troll or an obsessive-compulsive here, but this kind of behavior from thread to thread is not usual from regular genuine posters.

And of course, she will not answer to any of my posts because she knows I do not take her baits.

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

You are probably unaware of the dozens of far more vicious attacks PA and/or Bill has experienced as this goes with the territory. That territory includes:

Revealing research results which various third parties wish would remain hidden.

Please clarify exactly what you're talking about there.

In other words, is that directed at Corey Goode? If so, how?

(Meanwhile, I'm working on responding on the other thread.)

I wish I had your self control. Regretting getting involved. I've gone about as far with these posts as I want. Heading out to the garden now, doubt she'll be seeking here when I get back....x... N

[Honesty]

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[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)
Reading old threads is not a good use of my reading time.

Posted by Seeking Senior (here)
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I did not participate in evaluating Corey’s statements made early on, before he began working with David Wilcock.

One thing I think we can all tell you are not "seeking", is a full and unbiased view from which to base your conclusions. There's years of Corey here in the threads that have been suggested to you, from before he ever hooked up with Wilcock - some of us got to know him quite well, so we understand the significance of your lack of perspective and the obvious resultant ability to make a proper conclusion because of that. What you say you seek is available here, but your reluctance to find it tells that you know well that what you really seek is not there.

By this point it is obvious.

So what are you here for?

[Honesty]

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