Is this becoming the all Charles forum

[bluestflame]

meself, i'm still doing what i can to find the stillness within the chaos , I find it easy to become swept up in the drama , if i'm not mindful of that ,

am just sharing how i'm experiencing things at the moment , catalytc times

[Beren]

Posted by SPIRIT WOLF (here)
No I fear you too have missed a point. I do not care for anyone wishing to see my data or not, to me now thats irrelevant, for reasons made clear elsewhere. As others might make such a petty reason for my statements, its nothing to do with my data. Lets put it in perspective. The Bill and Charles interview was placed on youtube and I gather later that hundreds joined Avalon SOLELY from seeing that, from there the newbies were flocking solely around threads pertaining to him, and they were making new threads daily. Thats why I say (and those whom contacted me privately). There are so many great areas here at Avalon, many many threads covering all manner of subjects. But look at the members viewing certain Charles threads and you will note maximum numbers. I got very peeved when noticed a thread aimed specifically at healing for...........Charles. That was the limit. There were/still are numerous members whom could do with that but the newbies had eyes only for Charles. An example is a good friend of mine, Mike username Olgraybear, he deserves healing, moreso than Charles in my opinion. I speak my mind, always have done always will do. If my open speaking is not liked than I'm afraid nothing can be done I will continue with free speech till I'm kicked off here

Barry, I thank you for your efforts. You are doing a great thing. I don`t call it a "job" ,I call it a good thing for you are bringing good things here.
Consider this newbie thing as a good thing, otherwise they wouldn`t come here.

Or they wouldn`t have courage to speak out here in the open.
Got to tell you that people are afraid of judgment and this is the moment when they overcame their fears to step out,even for Charles. Later on hopefully some will pick up other stuff.

Can`t drink same juice for months... got to have new ones too...

One can`t say that carrot juice is better than orange or reverse, both are just wonderful!
The thing is always about finding that connection to Creator, in all possible ways that exist. You may search it differently than others and that`s the beauty of the thing!

Be well Barry!

P.S.

Your avatar kinda reminds me of white fang story... I enjoyed it as a kid...

[Agape]

Posted by SPIRIT WOLF (here)
LOL deprived of one tiny source of possible information, the rest of the site is chock-a-block with data, who is suffering from withdrawal symptons? LOL LOL oh its too much ROFL

I think that's where Barry is trying to point, right to the crux of things,
and where we all can't agree .

Charles , in fact, said very little, compared to other witnesses ..but for one or another reason, Bill gives him full trust, such as we give to people whom we know for years and have them tested in many ways,
lets say our teachers or close friends, esp those with immaculate discipline and life principles .

To speak about dogmas, believes and idologies is pointless , those all can be questioned and we're only right if questioning them.

Bill has presented Charles as someone who stands close to the truth, by capacities and experience ..

I've heard this motion from some of the new and old members alike .

I have a feeling for him and another feeling for what Bill has presented and it does not quite match to me either.



But I simply think there's no need to argue about anything here .


People have the choice , always to use their own brains for whatever they wish to use them ..

[wegge]

Thanks for sharing your perspective and what peeved you specifically about the wave of newbies and their acting on this forum.
Sorry about the sentence where i suggested you might fear your information (or others) would be unnoticed. Knew that it might sound offending, but I also wrote "or others" to say that I think your not battling for your own ego but for the freedom of speech (and truth).

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by SPIRIT WOLF (here)
No I fear you too have missed a point. I do not care for anyone wishing to see my data or not, to me now thats irrelevant, for reasons made clear elsewhere. As others might make such a petty reason for my statements, its nothing to do with my data. Lets put it in perspective. The Bill and Charles interview was placed on youtube and I gather later that hundreds joined Avalon SOLELY from seeing that, from there the newbies were flocking solely around threads pertaining to him, and they were making new threads daily. Thats why I say (and those whom contacted me privately). There are so many great areas here at Avalon, many many threads covering all manner of subjects. But look at the members viewing certain Charles threads and you will note maximum numbers. I got very peeved when noticed a thread aimed specifically at healing for...........Charles. That was the limit. There were/still are numerous members whom could do with that but the newbies had eyes only for Charles. An example is a good friend of mine, Mike username Olgraybear, he deserves healing, moreso than Charles in my opinion. I speak my mind, always have done always will do. If my open speaking is not liked than I'm afraid nothing can be done I will continue with free speech till I'm kicked off here

What would you like, Barry? Please choose. Multiple choice.

a) Ban all the ignorant 'newbies' from the forum and have the place be nice and small again.
b) Somehow force everyone to visit your own thread.
c) Somehow persuade the healers here to offer healing for you.
d) Decide with a poll which one member deserves healing more than any other.
e) Agree between us all that 'free speech' on this forum means that you can say anything you like about anyone you like in any way you like and claim you have the right to do it. (We can vote on that, too).

I have always supported your work, and been totally sympathetic to the very tough times you have had.

When I offered to do an interview with you, you declined. I believe you also declined Kerry's request this time last year when she was in the UK.

Besides giving you your own stall here - which is your own bailiwick to manage, add content to, make people interested in, and attract people to - there's not much more we can do.

But I will ask you to take a rest for a couple of weeks if you continue to insult and upset new members in the way you have been.

My advice as a friend: focus on your own material - and don't try to blow out anyone else's candle. You are sounding very close to "What about me?"

Tell the newbies your genuinely interesting and important story. Summarize it. Invite questions. Make it understandable. Lay out your stall. It's not their fault if they don't know who you are.

[Agape]

This looks like very pictoresque situation to me tainted by paranoia, forgive me you both, B&B is what you need. Bill & Barry .

Barry is being protective of the truth..not of himself. Such as I am and few others who may feel the same.

The mystery is with people who've got their share of hard core truth , not with those who 'don't know' , asking and learning.

You're pointing to each other is not great ..why the Truth of the message is not discussed instead of endless chat about the people
and what they have for breakfast ?


Testimonies in their own threads is correct but how much empirical use has been made of them ?

Does Charles represent sort of deity for someone here ? I don't know how to call the phenomenon better ..

In the east we call it 'deity'. It's 'chosen' to represent the truth, no matter what it likes or not, its blemishes are covered , crowd is blessed ..

It's known only too well who is behind all of it because deities actually don't look that way,
sages don't talk 'that way' when they're real ..


Are we jealous . Not Bill. But we're for truth here ..






You are curious species to me....you both are so 'trained' that the only thing you don't recall is yourself in natural state.

That way, you may be masters of all clever things in the world but truth will confuse you ..


And that should not be my problem I know.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
What would you like, Barry? Please choose. Multiple choice.

a) Ban all the ignorant 'newbies' from the forum and have the place be nice and small again.
b) Somehow force everyone to visit your own thread.
c) Somehow persuade the healers here to offer healing for you.
d) Decide with a poll which one member deserves healing more than any other.
e) Agree between us all that 'free speech' on this forum means that you can say anything you like about anyone you like in any way you like and claim you have the right to do it. (We can vote on that, too).

I have always supported your work, and been totally sympathetic to the very tough times you have had.

When I offered to do an interview with you, you declined. I believe you also declined Kerry's request this time last year when she was in the UK.

Besides giving you your own stall here - which is your own bailiwick to manage, add content to, make people interested in, and attract people to - there's not much more we can do.

But I will ask you to take a rest for a couple of weeks if you continue to insult and upset new members in the way you have been.

My advice as a friend: focus on your own material - and don't try to blow out anyone else's candle. You are sounding very close to "What about me?"

Tell the newbies your genuinely interesting and important story. Summarize it. Invite questions. Make it understandable. Lay out your stall. It's not their fault if they don't know who you are.

Bill I'm surprised you fell into the same tire tracks as others, immediately thinking I want, need, require any damn attention. WRONG. Its not about me as I have stated each time. I'm not the only one a bit weary of the hype over that person. I couldn't give a monkeys about my material, you could do me a great favour and remove all and anything to do with me. It will make no difference. Getting sick and tired of anyone thinking its a jealousy thing, for Christs sake, I do not do jealousy, I do not do ego, they are inept petty human traits you can all keep to yourselves. Like many Bill you miss the point. I was asked to watch over this, among 4 forums, as are my colleagues. I can back out they will continue. Final time, I do NOT want ANY attention from anyone re my past. Its hidden, its gone and I want no part of it. Do me that favour please, delete ALL threads of mine. I'll still be speaking my mind regarding the hype, unless of course you wish me to leave, I will not volunteer you must ban me. Thankyou, Barry

[Agape]

Talking about 'the 33' here not anyone in particular. You can well chat instead on how to organize any of your governments, it's politics , not more than that .

Would you think of signing a deal with any of our govs on this forum ? Or rather they'd offer such a deal to you ?

Let me chuckle a bit

The principle is the same and there are many such power groups in the world, each may consider themselves 'the only ones' is their politics, ideology and self-centeredness again. None of the groups has complete set of information or the ultimate power.

They are not able to agree on anything frequently is the only reason why there's someone like Charles, me or you, allowed to pass through the borders.

If they do agree on something you will never notice.

The talk about who they are is useless, they have their lives payed well forwards, health payed and confidencies payed,

friends too. If one of them was so 'kind' as you suggest,

he/she would probably send a large sum to Avalon account and never disclose themselves else the others would take care he's not on his chair anymore.


Barry is trying to be protective of you Bill so you should protect him too.



With sense I mean because there's no good deal with the devil and that's not a person but nickname for deception waiting somewhere behind the bars.

[schnurfel]

Reading all of the posts above, I as a newbie to the forum (but alternative & Camelot/Avalon-Vet.) can´t help myself but think that all of this hassle was somehow contrived before, maybe even by the ones who sent a quite controversial character like Charles or allowed him to come forward. But I have to state, that the Interviews with Klaus Dona, David Icke and Igor Witkowski should have gotten way more attention; they also present more information that could induce real high quality discussions...

Regards, Schnurfel

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by schnurfel (here)
Reading all of the posts above, I as a newbie to the forum (but alternative & Camelot/Avalon-Vet.) can´t help myself but think that all of this hassle was somehow contrived before, maybe even by the ones who sent a quite controversial character like Charles. But I have to state, that the Interviews with Klaus Dona, David Icke and Igor Witkowski should have gotten way more attention; they also present more information that could induce real high quality discussions...

Exactly. There's a wealth of important information here.

The thing that sets the 'Charles' material apart - in my opinion - is that it encompasses everything:

• The origins of the human race
• Our ET ancestors and their agenda
• The controlling group and how they operate - and how things may be changing
• Plans for the human race for the next few years
• (and much more)

This is all so highly charged that it's almost impossible not to either get very focused/interested, or very upset/critical. Not much room for middle ground.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Without having to repeat myself, and as others have noted, the above HAVE been fully covered by numerous individuals and the data available on the internet. So I, among others still fail to see how everyone has missed that, and see only Charles saying these things? That data is not new, maybe his slant on it, but the data itself? Old. Even the suns maximum in 2013, possibly affecting this planet, is widely known, even a TV doco is being shown this coming week! I know, badboy Spirit, shut yer gob!


[Bill - Mod Hat On]

Barry King [Spirit Wolf] has been temporarily unsubscribed. The message he received was:

Barry, with great respect: you need to cool down. We welcome you back after 7 days.

[Carmody]

All I know, is that this would not be problem and would be cleared up in less than 5 minutes if this was an in person conversation.

[Tuza]

Posted by SPIRIT WOLF (here)
Without having to repeat myself, and as others have noted, the above HAVE been fully covered by numerous individuals and the data available on the internet. So I, among others still fail to see how everyone has missed that, and see only Charles saying these things? That data is not new, maybe his slant on it, but the data itself? Old. Even the suns maximum in 2013, possibly affecting this planet, is widely known, even a TV doco is being shown this coming week! I know, badboy Spirit, shut yer gob!

Okay so I can see where both of you are coming from, Barry and Bill. The most important issue here is Charles has not yet come back on and given information that we have not heard yet.................................that is the bottom line. I presume you haven't met his master yet Bill?

Now until such time as we do get said unknown information and you do meet said 5,000 year old master, then the bottom line really is................stalemate isn't it. I see where Barry is coming from. The whole Charles vid and all the rest could well be engineered by them like a well oiled engine. Bill has to have faith in Charles and that whole story.

The thing is you can be played like a violin (which I am presuming Kerry thinks you are) and if that does play out......................mmmmmh, I'm sure a lot will understand and some will point the finger and say I told you so.

So looks like we wait.................................?

My own opinion is though if I have had to wade through stuff here to see what he eventually had to say................and then nothing............I wont say it, I will just think it cuz its my own opinion.

[Agape]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Exactly. There's a wealth of important information here.

The thing that sets the 'Charles' material apart - in my opinion - is that it encompasses everything:

• The origins of the human race
• Our ET ancestors and their agenda
• The controlling group and how they operate - and how things may be changing
• Plans for the human race for the next few years
• (and much more)

This is all so highly charged that it's almost impossible not to either get very focused/interested, or very upset/critical. Not much room for middle ground.

Encompassing ? The way you've questioned Charles, these were your questions and he can barely answer any of them in more than few words.


And yes, I'm seeing it as a slap to my face and face of the truth ,

if you mention the origins of mankind in that context..


The way he was questioned, good half of your membership here would get more holistic and appropriate answers .


I can't agree on any of above to be true. Sincerely .

[aikya]

Hi Spirit Wolf,

I have spent some time reading through your material, and listened to some of the videos (not yet all, I have to confess). In doing so, I got it - before you mentioned it in this last post of yours...that you more than most are only too aware of the 'dark side' and what they are capable of. Most of all, I got that you have generously spent much of your life being a Watcher, and that is also what you're doing here now. And I want to say that I truly appreciate that. I'm grateful that you and your colleagues have voluntarily taken that role. It's good to know there are some 'Protectors of the Gate' keeping a watchful eye on the situation. I can only speak for myself, but I do appreciate that.

When watching the videos of your interview, one thing that really, really surprised me was the gentle humility of the way you express yourself. It contrasted so vividly with the (in bold) harsh, often abrasive tone of many of your posts re the Charles material that honestly, lol, I had to check and double check that it was the same person!

I hear your concerns, and although also new to PA, to some extent I share them. There seem to be some people (but by no means all) who have, imo naively, handed their trust and more importantly their power to Charles, lock stock and barrel, on the basis of as yet very little real facts. At the same time, many of these same people have delightful, bright, intelligent, creative, smart, expansive, open-hearted energy and much to give and contribute. It's a huge learning curve for many, in uncharted territory.

I guess my question is - is a middle ground possible here between your role as Watcher and allowing the situation to settle (which I have no doubt it will)?

I very much value your presence and would be very sad to see you leave.

I do hope your injuries and your health are continuing to improve. I honestly can't imagine what it's like to have gone through what you've just experienced and are recovering from.

[galilava]

Spirit Wolf,
if you bother to read posts from a newbie with a funny avatar...
and if you really would like to know why Charles attracted soooo much attention:
I have been with Avalon for sometime now but was provoked to this forum exactly by this interview (and the ASM too). Reading your thoughts, I also asked myself why. And this is how I feel:
- Charles was honest about how honest he is...
-. He did not show off with intellectuality (his words were simple)
- His knowledge seams to come from experience (not like having documents)
- He seams to be fearless
-. He seams not to care for himself too much ( when he does, does not try to hide it)
- I can not stand people speaking with their back to me but still I felt he was openhearted
HE SPEAKS ON BEHALF OF:
- very important group (if it exists) - not on behalf of HIMSELF
- 5000 YEARS OLD BEING
The last was the most important to me, I know it may not be true and he may be the devil himself but it gives me HOPE and I will keep that hope safe for the timebeing...
You may well think this is a modest observation of a silly woman...and ignore it (if you read it at all) but then you still would not have your answer - why is the world acting strangely and why you do not understand it at this point -
get some feed back
But I have the feeling you actually wouldn't....
I felt afraid to speak to you ...it took some currage - but is this what you wish for yourself...
Still much love and compassion from me to you

[Tuza]

Spirit Wolf cannot answer your posts, it looks like he is banned, so if he cannot answer them personally it might be nice not to post anything if he cannot answer.

[bluestflame]

temporary leave of absence

[Janos]

Unless the actual IP is banned, comments can be read, just not 'responded' to. You don't need to be 'logged in' to read the forum.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by schnurfel (here)
But I have to state, that the Interviews with Klaus Dona, David Icke and Igor Witkowski should have gotten way more attention; they also present more information that could induce real high quality discussions...

Definitely agree with you!