Trump - "Illegal" immigration - Sam's view

[turiya]

Posted by TargeT (here)
Wow, Point, set, match?

Turkish body guards assault peaceful protestors and send several to the hospital, then claim self defense.... and these are GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS of an Islamic country...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oHxAeRwfyGs

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bbZD1GWmCXY

I never thought I would see something like this in the US.

This enrages me... this is why I will always inform people of what can happen with this culture.

Pretty damn brutal... From my understanding, part of the problem is that the guys in suits have diplomatic passports, which means they are technically not subject to the rule of law within this country. They are not even given tickets for traffic violations...
Hence, the police officers are somewhat "handcuffed" as to what they can do with these Turkish security agents.


Here's former DHS whistleblower Philip Haney being interviewed by Fox & Friends...

Today's HEADLINES - delivered by John B Wells - #738
(Published on May 10, 2017)

VIDEO
https://youtu.be/RrORbW53iEg?t=33m22s

[TargeT]

Posted by turiya (here)
Pretty damn brutal... From my understanding, part of the problem is that the guys in suits have diplomatic passports, which means they are technically not subject to the rule of law within this country. They are not even given tickets for traffic violations...
Hence, the police officers are somewhat "handcuffed" as to what they can do with these Turkish security agents.

Cops have tazers and peperspay and are human ( i think?)

I would NOT stand by "handcuffed or not" and let 5 guys kick one guy in the face while he's down...

that's just despicable; cops taser the crap out of everyone else, and peper spray kids sitting on the ground with zipties on their hands... this doesn't line up. Almost fishy.

[turiya]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
Pretty damn brutal... From my understanding, part of the problem is that the guys in suits have diplomatic passports, which means they are technically not subject to the rule of law within this country. They are not even given tickets for traffic violations...
Hence, the police officers are somewhat "handcuffed" as to what they can do with these Turkish security agents.

Cops have tazers and peperspay and are human ( i think?)

I would NOT stand by "handcuffed or not" and let 5 guys kick one guy in the face while he's down...

that's just despicable; cops taser the crap out of everyone else, and peper spray kids sitting on the ground with zipties on their hands... this doesn't line up. Almost fishy.

Still, I would like to hear what the officers that were involved in this have to say from there side and hear what they have to say about it. Could be they were given instructions from their superiors as to how far they could go with these guys. Tough job, no doubt.

more...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RVijF45MYY0

and more... this one showing Erdogan, at the scene, stepping out of his car to watch...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ael30RH3gbU

And now, John McCain puts in his 2 cents...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5X2YWwq4jMo

[TargeT]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by TargeT
this doesn't line up. Almost fishy.

Could be they were given instructions from their superiors as to how far they could go with these guys.

Brawl breaks out, turks beat up US citizens, cops do nothing, Mccain comes out warhawkish...

Kinda stinks like deep state? are we trying to stand up a new boogy man since Syria and Iran failed to fit the bill?

The air space violations, the protestor attack, the diplomatic crap in the EU... Turkey influencing elections..Seems a bit much eh?

[turiya]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by TargeT
this doesn't line up. Almost fishy.

Could be they were given instructions from their superiors as to how far they could go with these guys.

Brawl breaks out, turks beat up US citizens, cops do nothing, Mccain comes out warhawkish...

Kinda stinks like deep state? are we trying to stand up a new boogy man since Syria and Iran failed to fit the bill?

The air space violations, the protestor attack, the diplomatic crap in the EU... Turkey influencing elections..Seems a bit much eh?

No, your intuitive sense may have it quite right.

I very much doubt that Erdogan would be aligned with the Deep State. Although, his nemesis - Fetullah Gulen (living in Pennsylvania) - is most definitely aligned with CIA, as "Graham E. Fuller, a former CIA agent, provided endorsement letters for Gulen's green card application." U.S. has refused to make extradition back to Turkey possible. He's suspected of hiring CIA assets as teachers in his many madrassas that he's established across the globe. See Wikipedia

There is suspicion that the last coup d'etat in Turkey was a CIA planned operation.

I would also bet that this is a big part of the issues that Trump & Erdogan were to negotiate over.
We'll have to see where this will go from here... it would be good if Trump addressed this particular incident, where its pretty obvious that Erdogan instructed his security agents to go on the attack w/ the Kurdish protesters...

________________Late Add________________


State Department condemns violence
by Erdogan security guards at D.C. protest
By Louis Nelson
05/17/2017 07:21 AM EDT

The State Department confirmed on Wednesday that Turkish security personnel were involved in a clash with protesters outside the Turkish ambassador’s residence in Northwest Washington a day earlier that left nine people injured and two in police custody.

“We are concerned by the violent incidents involving protestors and Turkish security personnel Tuesday evening. Violence is never an appropriate response to free speech, and we support the rights of people everywhere to free expression and peaceful protest,” the State Department said in a statement. “We are communicating our concern to the Turkish government in the strongest possible terms.”

"There could be a diplomatic immunity issue but that won't prevent us from doing what we need to do here at the metropolitan police department," Newsham said. "We don't know what happened before the video was turned on. It appears to be unprovoked. And it appears to be very brutal."

This isn’t the first time a D.C. visit by Erdogan sparked violence. In March 2016, Erdogan’s security guards reportedly attacked demonstrators and journalists outside the Brookings Institution in Washington.

POLITICO

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Helene West (here)
In reading the above several posts it has me reflecting on the short time I've been on this board, particularly in regard to expressing oneself and accusations of twisting things, demanding proof and back-up, etc.

I've come to maybe a kooky conclusion - the people who may accuse you of twisting, manipulating info or want back-up of your views - those are the people to least give them to!

So I write something - someone says, no way, they want back-up of that. Hmmm, now i'm supposed to give my time and energy when I have a sneaky suspicion I know what will happen - you give them their proof - and they reject it! They find fault with it. LOL. and it could go on back and forth forever like that.

This society has become so divergent that I see a need for a new specialty genre in the professions - that of some type of cultural Liaison or Negotiators, and I mean a rigorous specialty with study in the Art of Impartiality AND sworn to never run for public office as a politician.

There is a reason it is one of the Beatitudes, blessed are the Peacemakers for they shall see God. Humans are not wired to be impartial, to do things like researching data points to support views that go against their world view and experience! We can't do it. It takes very unusual people.

I think it was late '70s early '80s a psychologist became famous for writing a book called Games People Play. He had patients suffering from depression to cancer, etc. His conclusion after many years of practice - that many humans would rather die than change! Even when the way they think was killing them, they would resist tooth and nail suggestions that their thinking was off and not serving them.

No one is twisting anything here, we're doing what we're wired to do, find support for our world view and experience.

==Edit== Games People Play about transactional analysis by Eric Berne

Good post, Helene. There is a difference between discussion and debate.

In a discussion, people share ideas and examine them together. All parties can walk away with an expanded view and more possibilities. The community is strengthened.

In a debate, people attempt to defeat the belief system of another. Their own belief system is staunchly defended. New possibilities are not created. There is no productive outcome save for the stroking of egos (some of us do enjoy the victory when we "win" a debate). The community is divided.

I am sometimes disappointed when I see debate in this way here on Avalon (I'm as guilty as any). I hope we can all remember that we are all on the same team. We have more in common than we have differences. We are a community and family, so let's treat each other with respect.

Especially, and I say again especially, when we disagree so strongly that we even feel deeply offended by the views of the other. That is the time to open your heart.

Many of us are passionate people. We can be aware of this and focus that passion where it can be useful. Deep breaths. Avalon can set the example for the other communities.

Thank you.

[DNA]

Posted by Helene West (here)
I think it was late '70s early '80s a psychologist became famous for writing a book called Games People Play. He had patients suffering from depression to cancer, etc. His conclusion after many years of practice - that many humans would rather die than change! Even when the way they think was killing them, they would resist tooth and nail suggestions that their thinking was off and not serving them.

Wow, I'm a huge fan of TA, Transactional Analysis and I read the book "The Games People Play" back when I was 22. At the time I was fully immersed in TA, as it was the foundation piece for NLP.
People are absolutely programmed through their childhood in my opinion. When you say to your child "you're stupid and you'll never amount to anything" folks would be surprised how many times things like this stick. Also phrases like "you're just like you're father" when that father has been incarcerated and is spending most of his life in prison. I saw this play out with my best friend as an adolescence, his mom making these accusations and then the child growing up to try and fulfill this prophecy made by the mother. None of this is conscious but it is there just the same.
This is why young adults should go through elongated stretches of introspection and meditation in my opinion. Because if they do not, they do not truly ever became autonomous. And this is what we are seeing now. We are seeing young adults, "programmed" not just by their parents who have been programmed but by school and the media. And we have these folks operating on platforms set up by the Tavistock Insitute and played out by the elite who control the education system and the media.
I live in a rural setting, and you would not believe how much the folks here are not as affected by the media and the programming.
As far as school is concerned the education system here is hugely influenced by the religious sector here, and kids just aren't popping out like they do in big cities.
Hardly anyone here watches the MSM, and almost everyone here refers to it as the fake news.
I'm not the exception here I'm the norm, which is pretty cool.
But in regards to TA, yes I'm a huge fan of Eric Berne and I think he is right on the money. Folks could do worse than understanding TA in regards to getting a better understanding on themselves and humans in general.

[TargeT]

Posted by DNA (here)
This is why young adults should go through elongated stretches of introspection and meditation in my opinion.

Walkabout
Finding your spirit animal

We used to do this stuff as a right of passage... now we stare at smartphones till we have to stumble out into the real world...

and the signs of this change are everywhere, in personal interactions, insecurity, the rise of ADHD (misdiagnosis imo... it should be referred to as a symptom of our media/entertainment addicted culture).


I have a 15 year old son, I'm trying to plan something for him, something impactful.. but how the hell do you even go about it anymore?? I didn't go through one until I was in my mid twenties and it wasn't on purpose.

More reading needed..

Do Mulsims have something like this? I know they understand child indoctrination / programming, they are pro's at that... so I kind wonder if they would or wouldn't have something like this.

[awakeningmom]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
But I DO understand your feelings about potential risk of terrorism. I just can't determine what those risks are. They seem low to me but I could be mistaken. It seems to me the U.S is pretty darned careful about who it lets into the country, particularly if they are from the Middle East.

And even as careful as we are... for example, in the last 5-7 years or so:

we let in the underwear bomber (IMO probably a patsy.. but no proof)

We let in the Boston marathon bombers

We let in people from the San Bernadino school shooting

We let the Minnesota mall stabber in

we let in the Ohio state staber

we let in the chattanooga shooter

And that list doubles if you include 2nd generation Muslims or Islamic converts inside the US.

Now I do agree this is a fairly small number of fatalities, we have much more dangerous issues to deal with with in our own boarders.. but we don't need to pull an Europe and bring in more trouble... we have our own issues already.. haha

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The Portland Islamic student who made the statements about the killing of those who have a different religion should have had his ass flown directly back to his country of origin, IMHO.

Forgive me, Autumn, but I don't think we could have watched the same video...

I'll assume she just read what you wrote... it could be taken that way with out reviewing the article.

Target,
I find it pretty disappointing that you are using what are almost certainly state sponsored false flag incidents/events to support your anti-Muslim sentiment. San Bernadino? Boston Bombing? As if the Tsarnev brothers were anything more than alphabet agent patsies, just like the "19 Muslim hijackers" of 9/11." Yes, they might have been the Muslim/Arab faces plastered on MSM, but the forces behind them were almost certainly not Muslim/Arab. I thought we were all beyond the official narratives here.

And speaking of the "19 hijackers," how is it that DJT, who has openly accused Saudi Arabia of its involvement in 9/11, is now signing $110 Billion arms deals with Saudi Arabia? I'm eager to hear this one explained away with straight faces.

[Chester]

19... an interesting number

19 Killed in ‘Appalling Suicide Attack’ After Ariana Grande Concert in U.K.

"Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about here." ~ David Icke

[TargeT]

Posted by awakeningmom (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
But I DO understand your feelings about potential risk of terrorism. I just can't determine what those risks are. They seem low to me but I could be mistaken. It seems to me the U.S is pretty darned careful about who it lets into the country, particularly if they are from the Middle East.

And even as careful as we are... for example, in the last 5-7 years or so:

we let in the underwear bomber (IMO probably a patsy.. but no proof)

We let in the Boston marathon bombers

We let in people from the San Bernadino school shooting

We let the Minnesota mall stabber in

we let in the Ohio state staber

we let in the chattanooga shooter

And that list doubles if you include 2nd generation Muslims or Islamic converts inside the US.

Now I do agree this is a fairly small number of fatalities, we have much more dangerous issues to deal with with in our own boarders.. but we don't need to pull an Europe and bring in more trouble... we have our own issues already.. haha

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The Portland Islamic student who made the statements about the killing of those who have a different religion should have had his ass flown directly back to his country of origin, IMHO.

Forgive me, Autumn, but I don't think we could have watched the same video...

I'll assume she just read what you wrote... it could be taken that way with out reviewing the article.

Target,
I find it pretty disappointing that you are using what are almost certainly state sponsored false flag incidents/events to support your anti-Muslim sentiment. San Bernadino? Boston Bombing? As if the Tsarnev brothers were anything more than alphabet agent patsies, just like the "19 Muslim hijackers" of 9/11." Yes, they might have been the Muslim/Arab faces plastered on MSM, but the forces behind them were almost certainly not Muslim/Arab. I thought we were all beyond the official narratives here.

And speaking of the "19 hijackers," how is it that DJT, who has openly accused Saudi Arabia of its involvement in 9/11, is now signing $110 Billion arms deals with Saudi Arabia? I'm eager to hear this one explained away with straight faces.

Of the 6 attacks I listed I'd say it was half and half on "authentic incidents" and "incidents the US either highly encouraged or helped to cause".

Not really sure why it's disappointing, the half that seem real are bad enough and the "encouraged" ones... well encouragement doesn't work if those base feelings and ideas aren't already present; besides NOT allowing mass immigration or "sanctuary" would not hurt, only help in many ways as currently these two cultures are not compatible.

[turiya]

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
I find it pretty disappointing that you are using what are almost certainly state sponsored false flag incidents/events to support your anti-Muslim sentiment. San Bernadino? Boston Bombing? As if the Tsarnev brothers were anything more than alphabet agent patsies, just like the "19 Muslim hijackers" of 9/11." Yes, they might have been the Muslim/Arab faces plastered on MSM, but the forces behind them were almost certainly not Muslim/Arab. I thought we were all beyond the official narratives here.

Yes. Let us not lose sight of exactly who the real terrorists are.
Certainly correct to call this terrorism State sponsored...
I would go a bit further to call it "Deep State Sponsored Terroism".

Yes, words are important. Words & their definitions are important. Words may look similar, may even sound very similar... and yet, have very different meanings. Words like 'Islam, Islamic, Islamist, Islamism. Essentially, a proper debate / discussion would be best to wrap one's mind around the distinct differences, and have a more clear understanding of "Islam vs Islamism."

Islamism is a concept whose meaning has been debated in both public and academic contexts.[1] The term can refer to diverse forms of social and political activism advocating that public and political life should be guided by Islamic principles, or more specifically to movements which call for full implementation of sharia. It is commonly used interchangeably with the terms political Islam or Islamic fundamentalism. --Wikipedia

What's the difference between Islam & Islamism?
(Published on Jan 11, 2015)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Bbshln8DKs

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
And speaking of the "19 hijackers," how is it that DJT, who has openly accused Saudi Arabia of its involvement in 9/11, is now signing $110 Billion arms deals with Saudi Arabia? I'm eager to hear this one explained away with straight faces.

Secondly, it may be good to go over the speech Trump gave to the Saudi royals...

Judge Jeanine on Trump's Saudi Gamble, 1643
(Published on May 22, 2017)

VIDEO

Perhaps, it is the time to grow up & be more matured in one's thinking. I'm talking about those that are consumed by archaic ideologies - so, not to take offense. Its not about maintaining the divide nor the long-standing divisions. Just perhaps, Trump presence is moving toward having this world come more together.




.

[awakeningmom]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by awakeningmom (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
But I DO understand your feelings about potential risk of terrorism. I just can't determine what those risks are. They seem low to me but I could be mistaken. It seems to me the U.S is pretty darned careful about who it lets into the country, particularly if they are from the Middle East.

And even as careful as we are... for example, in the last 5-7 years or so:

we let in the underwear bomber (IMO probably a patsy.. but no proof)

We let in the Boston marathon bombers

We let in people from the San Bernadino school shooting

We let the Minnesota mall stabber in

we let in the Ohio state staber

we let in the chattanooga shooter

And that list doubles if you include 2nd generation Muslims or Islamic converts inside the US.

Now I do agree this is a fairly small number of fatalities, we have much more dangerous issues to deal with with in our own boarders.. but we don't need to pull an Europe and bring in more trouble... we have our own issues already.. haha

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The Portland Islamic student who made the statements about the killing of those who have a different religion should have had his ass flown directly back to his country of origin, IMHO.

Forgive me, Autumn, but I don't think we could have watched the same video...

I'll assume she just read what you wrote... it could be taken that way with out reviewing the article.

Target,
I find it pretty disappointing that you are using what are almost certainly state sponsored false flag incidents/events to support your anti-Muslim sentiment. San Bernadino? Boston Bombing? As if the Tsarnev brothers were anything more than alphabet agent patsies, just like the "19 Muslim hijackers" of 9/11." Yes, they might have been the Muslim/Arab faces plastered on MSM, but the forces behind them were almost certainly not Muslim/Arab. I thought we were all beyond the official narratives here.

And speaking of the "19 hijackers," how is it that DJT, who has openly accused Saudi Arabia of its involvement in 9/11, is now signing $110 Billion arms deals with Saudi Arabia? I'm eager to hear this one explained away with straight faces.

Of the 6 attacks I listed I'd say it was half and half on "authentic incidents" and "incidents the US either highly encouraged or helped to cause".

Not really sure why it's disappointing, the half that seem real are bad enough and the "encouraged" ones... well encouragement doesn't work if those base feelings and ideas aren't already present; besides NOT allowing mass immigration or "sanctuary" would not hurt, only help in many ways as currently these two cultures are not compatible.

And I'd wager to bet that nearly ALL of them were some form of state sponsored terrorism, with convenient low intelligence patsies. Including Paris. And any other time we get an "Allah Akbar" message that is conveniently left at the scene of the crime (e.g., in Boston, in a boat, scrawled with a pencil conveniently left in the boat, and found a month after the whole incident, if I recall). Which ones seem "real" to you? And my point is that you seem to suggest that these people were let in through "normal" immigration or travel channels, when it seems pretty clear that those who were not US Citizens already were brought in through abnormal channels to achieve the goals of synthetic terrorism (as Webster Tarpley describes in his excellent analysis on 911), namely: the goals of scapegoating Muslims and allowing a convenient excuse for Western acts of aggression/violence/destruction in the Middle East in order to plunder its resources (which of course includes women and children for human trafficking, along with the oil and other natural resources).

It's "disappointing" because you are using suspect examples of terrorism/violence to support your theory that Muslims are particularly violent, using events/incidents that were clearly orchestrated by non-Muslims to achieve that very blame-the-Muslims purpose.

[awakeningmom]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
I find it pretty disappointing that you are using what are almost certainly state sponsored false flag incidents/events to support your anti-Muslim sentiment. San Bernadino? Boston Bombing? As if the Tsarnev brothers were anything more than alphabet agent patsies, just like the "19 Muslim hijackers" of 9/11." Yes, they might have been the Muslim/Arab faces plastered on MSM, but the forces behind them were almost certainly not Muslim/Arab. I thought we were all beyond the official narratives here.

Yes. Let us not lose sight of exactly who the real terrorists are.
Certainly correct to call this terrorism State sponsored...
I would go a bit further to call it "Deep State Sponsored Terroism".

Yes, words are important. Words & their definitions are important. Words may look similar, may even sound very similar... and yet, have very different meanings. Words like 'Islam, Islamic, Islamist, Islamism. Essentially, a proper debate / discussion would be best to wrap one's mind around the distinct differences, and have a more clear understanding of "Islam vs Islamism."

Islamism is a concept whose meaning has been debated in both public and academic contexts.[1] The term can refer to diverse forms of social and political activism advocating that public and political life should be guided by Islamic principles, or more specifically to movements which call for full implementation of sharia. It is commonly used interchangeably with the terms political Islam or Islamic fundamentalism. --Wikipedia

What's the difference between Islam & Islamism?
(Published on Jan 11, 2015)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Bbshln8DKs

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
And speaking of the "19 hijackers," how is it that DJT, who has openly accused Saudi Arabia of its involvement in 9/11, is now signing $110 Billion arms deals with Saudi Arabia? I'm eager to hear this one explained away with straight faces.

Secondly, it may be good to go over the speech Trump gave to the Saudi royals...

Judge Jeanine on Trump's Saudi Gamble, 1643
(Published on May 22, 2017)

VIDEO

Perhaps, it is the time to grow up & be more matured in one's thinking. I'm talking about those that are consumed by archaic ideologies - so, not to take offense. Its not about maintaining the divide nor the long-standing divisions. Just perhaps, Trump presence is moving toward having this world come more together.




.

Sorry Turiya, I know how deluded you are about Trump, and it's no use arguing with you and the rest of the posters on here who can't see what DJT really is. I guess I just don't get how people who understand the entire history of the Deep State can possibly think that DJT is some lone cowboy hero trying to "make the world come more together." Doesn't matter that he bombed Syria and hasn't prosecuted HRC or investigated her crimes and wants to nominate a neocon to head the FBI. Doesn't matter that DJT appears to be making a pilgrimage of the NWO strongholds in his first official global tour. I think it would take DJT appointing HRC to be FBI director for those of you still on the Trump train to finally understand you've been conned. He is NOT your friend. He is NOT helping the little folks. The fix is and has been in. You've been "trumped."

IMO, DJT's speech in Saudi Arabia was ridiculous/hypocritical, particularly for someone who allegedly believes that country helped orchestrate the worst terrorist attack against our/"his" people in our history. Is that what we do? Give multi-billion dollar arms deals to those who allegedly attacked us? Tough non-interventionist "populist" talk as a candidate; war-mongering NWO business as usual as President.

[TargeT]

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
It's "disappointing" because you are using suspect examples of terrorism/violence to support your theory that Muslims are particularly violent, using events/incidents that were clearly orchestrated by non-Muslims to achieve that very blame-the-Muslims purpose.

yea, I'm a stickler for data points, and I don't weigh personal testimony as heavily.. so the same goes for how I back up my statements.

we've heard at least 2 people in this thread, in this tiny internet forum that have had extremely violent negative interactions with followers of Islam ( I don't count myself because I was wearing a military uniform at the time, so kind of fair game i guess? I will say that I never shot first, or usually even second.) Just by the numbers (and assuming accuracy) that's a pretty significant number as well.

I won't even use the Turkey ambassador incident because I think that was encouraged to happen (but the key word there is encouraged, that is important and does bear consideration.)

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
IMO, DJT's speech in Saudi Arabia was ridiculous/hypocritical, particularly for someone who allegedly believes that country helped orchestrate the worst terrorist attack against our/"his" people in our history. Is that what we do? Give multi-billion dollar arms deals to those who allegedly attacked us? Tough non-interventionist "populist" talk as a candidate; war-mongering NWO business as usual as President.

Yeah, those arms deals are hardly a benefit to Saudi.. they are almost all benefit to us. Saudi is more like the middle eastern branch of the US, we taught them how to produce oil, we force them into multi billion dollar purchases like this (be it from Boeing, Lockheed, name your favorite military industrial complex mega corp) which existentially is a bribe back home for who ever closes the deal (doubt DJT had much to do with it other than standing in front of a camera as it closed).

Presidents are like substitute teachers, it might seem like they are in charge; but they really don't effect much lasting change.

[Chester]

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
Sorry Turiya, I know how deluded you are about Trump, and it's no use arguing with you and the rest of the posters on here who can't see what DJT really is. I guess I just don't get how people who understand the entire history of the Deep State can possibly think that DJT is some lone cowboy hero trying to "make the world come more together." Doesn't matter that he bombed Syria and hasn't prosecuted HRC or investigated her crimes and wants to nominate a neocon to head the FBI. Doesn't matter that DJT appears to be making a pilgrimage of the NWO strongholds in his first official global tour. I think it would take DJT appointing HRC to be FBI director for those of you still on the Trump train to finally understand you've been conned. He is NOT your friend. He is NOT helping the little folks. The fix is and has been in. You've been "trumped."

IMO, DJT's speech in Saudi Arabia was ridiculous/hypocritical, particularly for someone who allegedly believes that country helped orchestrate the worst terrorist attack against our/"his" people in our history. Is that what we do? Give multi-billion dollar arms deals to those who allegedly attacked us? Tough non-interventionist "populist" talk as a candidate; war-mongering NWO business as usual as President.

He isn't some lone cowboy by the way... I think you are forgetting about the millions of deplorables too, yes?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N2IAo_r6Gms

Each day there's more and more winning... it just doesn't stop and I think that's what gets to some folks more than anything.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=daOH-pTd_nk

[awakeningmom]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
It's "disappointing" because you are using suspect examples of terrorism/violence to support your theory that Muslims are particularly violent, using events/incidents that were clearly orchestrated by non-Muslims to achieve that very blame-the-Muslims purpose.

yea, I'm a stickler for data points, and I don't weigh personal testimony as heavily.. so the same goes for how I back up my statements.

we've heard at least 2 people in this thread, in this tiny internet forum that have had extremely violent negative interactions with followers of Islam ( I don't count myself because I was wearing a military uniform at the time, so kind of fair game i guess? I will say that I never shot first, or usually even second.) Just by the numbers (and assuming accuracy) that's a pretty significant number as well.

I won't even use the Turkey ambassador incident because I think that was encouraged to happen (but the key word there is encouraged, that is important and does bear consideration.)

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
IMO, DJT's speech in Saudi Arabia was ridiculous/hypocritical, particularly for someone who allegedly believes that country helped orchestrate the worst terrorist attack against our/"his" people in our history. Is that what we do? Give multi-billion dollar arms deals to those who allegedly attacked us? Tough non-interventionist "populist" talk as a candidate; war-mongering NWO business as usual as President.

Yeah, those arms deals are hardly a benefit to Saudi.. they are almost all benefit to us. Saudi is more like the middle eastern branch of the US, we taught them how to produce oil, we force them into multi billion dollar purchases like this (be it from Boeing, Lockheed, name your favorite military industrial complex mega corp) which existentially is a bribe back home for who ever closes the deal (doubt DJT had much to do with it other than standing in front of a camera as it closed).

Presidents are like substitute teachers, it might seem like they are in charge; but they really don't effect much lasting change.

I don't even know what you mean by you saying you are a "stickler for data points"? You are relying on clearly suspect and likely erroneous "data points" to support your argument. If you are saying that "WE" (meaning our immigration services/customs/traditional routes of US entry) have already made mistakes by letting in violent Muslims who end up committing terrorist acts against us, but then you list numerous false flag incidents of synthetic terrorism for support, where the supposed Muslim terrorist was likely a patsy set up by non-Muslim agents and deliberately brought into this country by non-Muslim alphabet agents, you are hardly making a logical/credible argument. How does this false/incorrect data support your argument that we need to be more careful in letting in Muslims via our customs/immigration services at all?

And using a small "data point" consisting of anecdotal evidence of two members who had violent/negative experiences with followers of Islam to support a generalized view of all Muslims/Followers of Islam is absurd. I once taught a class where I had seven Saudi nationals in it - five men and two women. They were all respectful, intelligent, personable human beings -- at least from what I experienced. Maybe that means that ALL Saudi Nationals are respectful, intelligent and personable?

And I assume when you experienced your own violent interactions with Muslims/Followers of Islam while in your uniform, you were presumably representing the Aggressor/Colonizer on their own soil -- supporting a war against a country that never attacked us first.

[awakeningmom]

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
Sorry Turiya, I know how deluded you are about Trump, and it's no use arguing with you and the rest of the posters on here who can't see what DJT really is. I guess I just don't get how people who understand the entire history of the Deep State can possibly think that DJT is some lone cowboy hero trying to "make the world come more together." Doesn't matter that he bombed Syria and hasn't prosecuted HRC or investigated her crimes and wants to nominate a neocon to head the FBI. Doesn't matter that DJT appears to be making a pilgrimage of the NWO strongholds in his first official global tour. I think it would take DJT appointing HRC to be FBI director for those of you still on the Trump train to finally understand you've been conned. He is NOT your friend. He is NOT helping the little folks. The fix is and has been in. You've been "trumped."

IMO, DJT's speech in Saudi Arabia was ridiculous/hypocritical, particularly for someone who allegedly believes that country helped orchestrate the worst terrorist attack against our/"his" people in our history. Is that what we do? Give multi-billion dollar arms deals to those who allegedly attacked us? Tough non-interventionist "populist" talk as a candidate; war-mongering NWO business as usual as President.

He isn't some lone cowboy by the way... I think you are forgetting about the millions of deplorables too, yes?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N2IAo_r6Gms

Each day there's more and more winning... it just doesn't stop and I think that's what gets to some folks more than anything.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=daOH-pTd_nk

Sam, sorry, but just how are the "millions of deplorables" changing the world for the better -- or making any impact on foreign/domestic policy that helps us regular middle/working class folk and/or stops the NWO? Are we staying out of Middle Eastern conflicts? Are we not engaging in any more false flag acts of terrorism? Are we coming clean about who ISIS really is? Are we prosecuting the pedos? Is HRC going to jail? Is Podesta? Have we chosen a director of the FBI who will actually re-open an investigation into Pedogate? Have we required GMO labeling or stopped genetic engineering of our food supply entirely? Have we stopped harmful mandatory vaccinations both in and out of the military? Have we come clean about 911 or even reopened an investigation?

No, didn't think so. When will y'all recognize your own cognitive dissonance over what you thought DJT would do....and what he's actually doing.

[AutumnW]

Awakening Mom,

I think all but the most stubborn Trump supporters agree with you that everything changed after the election. I am totally with Target on the substitute teacher comparison. Presidents are figureheads now, nothing more. I am totally with you that Trump EVER gave a hot damn about anything other than 'winning.' And I'm on record here, on this forum, pre-election, with my predictions for 'his' foreign policy. The only mistake I made was underestimating how extreme the turnaround would be. Gave me whiplash.

[awakeningmom]

Hi Autumn,
I mostly agree with the substitute teacher analogy too, to the extent that I don't think Trump can really do/change anything, even if he wanted to (and I never believed he really wanted to anyway. He's an elite, and his primary objective is to remain an elite and to keep the elite class/elite deviance going). But that's my whole point: I don't see how people who claim to know 9/11 was a false flag operation and who have gone down the Deep State rabbit hole (or even read Jim Marr's Rule by Secrecy) can possibly believe that Trump is there as a surprise populist making the centuries-old PTB shake in their murderous, power and wealth-beyond-our-wildest-dreams boots. It was most certainly a different group of "deplorables" who put DJT there than the ones Sam is referencing.