Mandela Effect: is it real or not?

[East Sun]

Posted by LadyM (here)
The testimonials from Bible readers about verses changing truly bolsters the argument for the Mandela Effect. In this video, a devoted Bible reader tells about the change in Luke 12:51: "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OyYVBQPg1Nw

I'm curious LadyM, Do you have the same Bible from years back or a different one?

[Noelle]

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)
The testimonials from Bible readers about verses changing truly bolsters the argument for the Mandela Effect. In this video, a devoted Bible reader tells about the change in Luke 12:51: "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OyYVBQPg1Nw

I'm curious LadyM, Do you have the same Bible from years back or a different one?

I don't read the Bible, though I am familiar with some verses. I was baptized as a Lutheran but have been religion-free most of my life. I own one; it was my grandmother's and it was given to me when she passed.

[Patient]

Posted by wnlight (here)
I am not convinced, but I do remember "Dolly''s braces". I have not seen that movie recently nor a clip so, has it changed?

Also, C3PO' exterior originally was all gold - no silver leg. But I just looked on Google and found C3PO both ways - some where he is all gold and some with a silver lower right leg. So there! They filmed him both ways and created two sets of memories.

So it's no Woo Woo here. Movies are too easily changed.

Yes, movies can be edited and re-released. Companies sometimes will alter their logos.

When I first heard about the Mandela Effect, all of the examples I saw were things on the internet. I could not have definitive proof by reading other people's claims so I searched my own life for my own proof. (In my previous post in this thread I explained the Berenstein Bears change.) I have a friend who collects toys and is a Star Wars fan. He brought out his old VHS tape and found that it was different than he remembered. He found the proof of the change with something he owns so he was able to see for himself. I encourage people to do the same. Look in your own life for changes. However, there will be a segment of the population that does not see anything changed.

As only a certain portion of the population recall things different than the other, there will never be total consensus on something that has changed. Something I find strange is that in my memory, there was never an image of C3PO with a silver leg and we now find that there is both; a fully gold C3PO and one silver leg C3PO. Whatever happened to alter things in our reality only affected a portion of the population and also was not complete in changing the entirety of some things. Perhaps the strength of the effect was only strong enough to 'push' (for lack of a better word) so far. Another thing that I have noticed is that the changes that have occurred are almost 'cosmetic' in that they have altered the appearance of things, but nothing that I have found has made a difference on a scale that alters our world financially or politically. It is as if the changes were done to things in a "safe" manner. If someone wanted to affect changes to see how the population would react to those changes, then they were very successful in choosing the right changes to affect a large portion of the population without affecting it in a destructive way.

If the timeline changes were random, then we could see many people having their families altered. Borders and the names of countries could be very different. Enormous changes in the development of rural and city areas. As far as I have seen, this did not happen. The changes that did occur cross a variety of content but are safe changes.

[Mercedes]

Posted by Rachel (here)
If anyone else has answers to my questions to Wind I'm open to them, I've experienced the Mandela Effect but if there are convincing alternative explanations I'm interested in reading them.

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Here's a Mandela Effect test. This is an iconic movie scene so there might be others here who see a change or not. Don't say anything yet if you've seen this amongst the Mandela Effect material, does anyone see anything odd in the dance scene? This video was uploaded before the emergence of the Mandela Effect material, 2008.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=G2UVsyVLLcE

Where are the sunglasses?

[mojo]

here's more about the dance scene...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=im4P16m-4_o

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pfp_bwiOra0

[Rawhide68]

Doh, I´ll try again, learning how this forum works

[Rawhide68]

Hi Wind!

About Dolly´s braces, as I can see you´re from my lovely neighbouring country Finland :-)
Here is a Finnish commercial for "Sampo" staring the actual actor from the film Moonraker, Richard Kiel, playing on the joke that Dolly had braces.
Enjoy !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BhLAWP7jGA


I´m absolutely a billion 1000% sure that Dolly had braces!!!

As I said it´s a very vivid memory to me because my friend Micke who I watched the VHS film with had braces put in weeks before looking the same as Dolly´s , and we laughed about it together.
Micke died in a car accident some years later and that´s why I like to think of us laughing together, wich happened watching that film, comparing his braces to Dolly´s.

Peace and Love

[Rawhide68]

Did my reply disapear, errr, no I think Wind can see it now at least,mmm

[East Sun]

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)
The testimonials from Bible readers about verses changing truly bolsters the argument for the Mandela Effect. In this video, a devoted Bible reader tells about the change in Luke 12:51: "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OyYVBQPg1Nw

I'm curious LadyM, Do you have the same Bible from years back or a different one?

I don't read the Bible, though I am familiar with some verses. I was baptized as a Lutheran but have been religion-free most of my life. I own one; it was my grandmother's and it was given to me when she passed.

The reason I asked was to see if you read from an old version of the Bible or a modern one although there might not be any difference. Thanks!

[Noelle]

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)
The testimonials from Bible readers about verses changing truly bolsters the argument for the Mandela Effect. In this video, a devoted Bible reader tells about the change in Luke 12:51: "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OyYVBQPg1Nw

I'm curious LadyM, Do you have the same Bible from years back or a different one?

I don't read the Bible, though I am familiar with some verses. I was baptized as a Lutheran but have been religion-free most of my life. I own one; it was my grandmother's and it was given to me when she passed.

The reason I asked was to see if you read from an old version of the Bible or a modern one although there might not be any difference. Thanks!

No worries. I looked it up in my grandmother's Bible, published in 1986, and it does have "division." With all the people that read and meditate on the verses in the Bible, this is bothersome (to say the least).

[East Sun]

LadyM,
Some people would say that it does not matter, the message is the same.
Once at Barnes and Noble where there was a shelf of Bibles I checked different Bibles and noticed a big difference in their wording of well known passages.

For example one said, "through a glass darkly...." while another said "through a mirror dimly" but it does
not really matter. As I said the message is clear enough. There are countless examples like this depending on which Bible you pick.

Similarly, lines from movies also, as I indicated in my second post in this thread. Just saying, as a common phrase goes. Thanks!

[neutronstar]

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by Rachel (here)

Posted by neutronstar (here)
His ray ban sunglasses. That is strange. I sometimes wonder if they have experimented with time travel, or viewing the past or present, or some other type of time manipulation, that there might have been small changes that occurred. Or it could be Hollywood messing with peoples minds.

Yeah, looks wierd without the sunglasses, I also remember his shirt was bigger and white, but not as vividly as the sunglasses, they were most iconic.

Hmm, time travel is an interesting and entertaining idea.

@Anchor That's how I remember adidas too.

Thinking about explanations for the Mandela Effect this morning, and I wondered if we (our individual and collective consciousness), in the present, can change the past.

I could think of a lot and I am not sure if you could ever prove any of them. I think of the universe as a dvd. Past, present, and future are happening all at the same time, but unlike a movie where there is only one out come, this reality is dynamic. There are multiple possibilities that depend on our choices we make.

Sometimes I wonder if we could spontaneously switch to other time lines that are only slightly different. I think though, time experiments by a black project would seem more likely to me.

Or in the case of movies, it could be simply a re edited version. I do know of some movies where they film multiple endings and sometimes switch them in a re release.

[Rawhide68]

I Have been thinking about this a lot.
Mandela effect as the Mandala effect wich makes more sense to the whole subject if you look up the word "mandala"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala
By the way Nelson Mandelas grandson is named Mandla Mandela, just a funny detail fact.

[Noelle]

Posted by neutronstar (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by Rachel (here)

Posted by neutronstar (here)
His ray ban sunglasses. That is strange. I sometimes wonder if they have experimented with time travel, or viewing the past or present, or some other type of time manipulation, that there might have been small changes that occurred. Or it could be Hollywood messing with peoples minds.

Yeah, looks wierd without the sunglasses, I also remember his shirt was bigger and white, but not as vividly as the sunglasses, they were most iconic.

Hmm, time travel is an interesting and entertaining idea.

@Anchor That's how I remember adidas too.

Thinking about explanations for the Mandela Effect this morning, and I wondered if we (our individual and collective consciousness), in the present, can change the past.

I could think of a lot and I am not sure if you could ever prove any of them. I think of the universe as a dvd. Past, present, and future are happening all at the same time, but unlike a movie where there is only one out come, this reality is dynamic. There are multiple possibilities that depend on our choices we make.

Sometimes I wonder if we could spontaneously switch to other time lines that are only slightly different. I think though, time experiments by a black project would seem more likely to me.

Or in the case of movies, it could be simply a re edited version. I do know of some movies where they film multiple endings and sometimes switch them in a re release.

Yes, many point to DWAVE (quantum computing), CERN, and other projects and technologies as a possible cause. But our reality is one of illusions and inversions. It really could be something so far out there that most people -- even in this forum -- may not have considered it.

[MythKitty]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
Check out Brian Mcfarlands youtube channel

I just did a search for his channel and I can't find it. I didn't realize there are so many Brian Mcfarlands in the world. Could you please provide a link?

Did you mean Brian MacFarlane?

[Did You See Them]

I certainly remember Dolly's braces - that was the "joke" ! Two very different people in looks and size that meet and have one thing in common - braces !
That scene now does not make sense.
No idea what the up shot of this so called Mandela effect is but there are a few examples I noticed years ago that have led me not to dismiss this as just miss remembering things.

[ZShawn]

given that the majority of these bits of weirdness are in movies it fits into the it really doesn't matter category and totally could be a mind f**k
things are now digital and can be edited easily and the entirely of popular media is controlled by a few conglomerates
fraud exists on a massive level on this planet, our whole culture is built on it and from it, which makes something like this kind of .... inevitable
but then there are a few items which really boggle the logic....timeline shifting then becomes a plausibility

[TinFoilSuit]

As minor and inconsequential as most of these seem, I do think it matters - quite a bit. At what point do important historical records become altered? 50 years from now, will it be commonly known that George W Bush was a Rhodes Scholar genius with a 200 IQ?

The thing that stands out to me is that there are just so many things that are changing - not just one or two. And that so many folks remember it a certain way.

As much as some of us can try to rationalize, I cannot agree that:

- Desi Arnaz never ever said "Lucy you got some splaining to do"
- Hannibal said "Morning" instead of "Hello Clarice"
- ET said "ET home phone" and not "ET Phone Home"
- Lone Ranger said "Hi-yo Silver" and not "Hi ho Silver"
- White Out is now Wite Out
- Sketchers is now Skechers
- Wynona Ryder is now Winona Ryder
- Jamie Gertz is now Jami Gertz
- Depends is now Depend
- Herbal Essence is now Herbal Essences
- Ed McMahon never handed out giant checks for Publishers Clearing House
- Captain Kirk never said "Beam me up Scotty"
- That Dolly had a completely white smile

Sorry, not buying it. But also, I guess I can't entirely be convinced that this is the result of the efforts of some sinister group of folks. Maybe it's just more evidence that the Universe is not what most of us think it is.

How exciting!

TFS

[justntime2learn]

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)
The testimonials from Bible readers about verses changing truly bolsters the argument for the Mandela Effect. In this video, a devoted Bible reader tells about the change in Luke 12:51: "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OyYVBQPg1Nw

I'm curious LadyM, Do you have the same Bible from years back or a different one?

I don't read the Bible, though I am familiar with some verses. I was baptized as a Lutheran but have been religion-free most of my life. I own one; it was my grandmother's and it was given to me when she passed.

The reason I asked was to see if you read from an old version of the Bible or a modern one although there might not be any difference. Thanks!

No worries. I looked it up in my grandmother's Bible, published in 1986, and it does have "division." With all the people that read and meditate on the verses in the Bible, this is bothersome (to say the least).

I always thought one of the ten commandments was "Thou shalt not kill" , but everything I find now is "Thou shalt not murder".

I was a Catholic from birth until 2010 and still got it wrong. Which one do you remember?

[Noelle]

Posted by justntime2learn (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)
The testimonials from Bible readers about verses changing truly bolsters the argument for the Mandela Effect. In this video, a devoted Bible reader tells about the change in Luke 12:51: "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OyYVBQPg1Nw

I'm curious LadyM, Do you have the same Bible from years back or a different one?

I don't read the Bible, though I am familiar with some verses. I was baptized as a Lutheran but have been religion-free most of my life. I own one; it was my grandmother's and it was given to me when she passed.

The reason I asked was to see if you read from an old version of the Bible or a modern one although there might not be any difference. Thanks!

No worries. I looked it up in my grandmother's Bible, published in 1986, and it does have "division." With all the people that read and meditate on the verses in the Bible, this is bothersome (to say the least).

I always thought one of the ten commandments was "Thou shalt not kill" , but everything I find now is "Thou shalt not murder".

I was a Catholic from birth until 2010 and still got it wrong. Which one do you remember?

I remember "kill." I went to BibleGateway and, by golly, you're right.