The Breatharian Path

[onawah]

Breatharianism was a hot topic on the Web some years ago, and from what I remember, there was actually evidence that some people, though uncommon, have been proven able to survive for long periods without food (though a lot of the people who were claiming to do so were charlatans).
Examples of genuine cases were usually not very physically active, but lived a more meditative lifestyle, close to Nature and they lived in forests or jungles where there were lots of naturally occurring nutrients in the air and water which were absorbed through the breath and pores as much as through the digestive system via drinking water.

[Bluegreen]

This is no comment on breatharianism, so scold me if you must Autumn (there's a lot of that going around anyway). Thank you for starting a thought-provoking discussion and to Skywizard for the OP.

To me, this kind of goes back to how much of the woo-woo stuff we talk about here we actually, honestly think is true. Who runs our world? Local and national politicians? Local and national rich people? Worldwide rich people? Worldwide corporations? The 13 satanic bloodlines of the illuminati? Their off-world masters?

I don't know, but I've become convinced it is the off-world masters, who go by many names.

Is the whole concept of 'loosh' for real? Loosh is the idea that those off-world masters feed off of fear. Supposedly, they show up at battlefields, riots, murders, domestic quarrels, and even sporting events; any place bad feelings or fear are going to emanate from humans. And they feast.

It makes sense to me that any living being that knows he, she, or it is about to die will feel fear, such as cows in a slaughterhouse. It makes sense to me that when I eat a burger at McDonalds I am ingesting the fear that cow died with. Add this to my own fears, anxieties, etc and it makes sense to me that I am a walking, talking loosh factory just strolling through the park. And it makes sense to me that this is a situation to be avoided.

So in that respect, I guess it does make sense to eat nothing at all.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XK3nqxZxmug

[Hym]

Bluegreen, Thanks for the video and (Edit) Thanks for this new version which is very interesting with so many on stage, the rain, the giant marionette puppet..... The song itself shows the power of the heartfelt devotion we share. The feeling of the song in person was very positive, also.

Autumn, I will take Limor's beautiful expressions of respect, to a point, and go with it as it seems the best course, considering how deeply you grouped others writings to me. You imposed the posts of others into my experiences. Questioning is vital to healthy living, but boy do you add your depth of negative experiences to the words I wrote. Anger that is not followed thru with deep, personal internal exploration is useless, maybe just as unhealthy as those things we are angry about. I would not be here if I did not work thru those issues that got me much angrier than I have ever seen expressed here. ( Think about that.) Do the work and know that you have open hearts and minds here, or not. I hope it goes beyond those words we share on these screens.

Some interesting points were made here and Yes, they are relative to the subjects of breath and health in our lifestyles.
I'm in agreement with some aspects of what you wrote and as to how I deal with the rarity of the practicality of living that way. Of course it is highly impractical to go for any length of time without water or food. That couple eats 3x's a week and surely drinks every day. That is simply a laid back, living in nature, quiet and meditative way of living. But, to the point, I have lived it, in it's extreme even if but for a mere 2 weeks, and take the vitriol of your responses as exposing some other deeper issues you may have with cultish behavior, behavior which I too am repulsed by, issues I have put my life on the line to expose. I get the anger, which is necessary, but it is not a solution, yet.

We here see quite clearly thru any sales pitch that a so-called breatharian pitches, something highly impractical and most likely dangerous. In my life, my realities have been at the extremes of harsh living conditions, but I choose to make those times a benefit to myself and others. I will not apologize for sharing, tangential or not. Again, that misses the import we as a community of caring souls give to threads like this. If we seem to have gone off on a tangent, as I often seem to do, it is from a relative viewpoint, bourne from our personal experiences while focusing on the energy that questioning how we live gives.

The responses on this thread have proven the great value of moderation and openness to see the experiences of others who have lived with these questions in mind. And by the way, even if you started the thread, it becomes what it becomes, mainly a series of relative views from those of us who have lived with these concerns about our lifestyles. We are here to share those experiences.

[Eram]

Posted by IChingUChing (here)
Met any breatherians? Have your thoughts to share on this matter? Please post below!

Yes, I met a woman some 10 to 12 years ago who was practicing breathenarianism.
She was (and still is for all I know) a friend of my dad and together with her husband, they did not eat (or only ridiculously little) for about a year if I remember correctly.

I went to visit my dad one day (unannounced, since we lived close by at the time) and when I entered the living room I saw a person sitting on the couch which looked immediately very different to what I was used to.
I think I actually considered for a fraction of a second if I was perhaps seeing a ghost.
She seemed almost transparent in a way. .. or blending in with the air around her, so her outlining was vague or something.
That's the first impression that my mind formed from what my eyes were uploading to my brain.

I met her only briefly at the time.
I introduced myself, we exchanged some polite words and I then went on to do whatever I came there to do ( I think it was to collect something) and left a few minutes later.

When I spoke to my father again some days later, I asked him about her and he told me that she was a breathenarian, together with her husband.

When I saw her again some 2 years later, she had a baby and because of that, together with her husband, they went back to eating again.
We got a chance to chat a little then and I asked some questions about her period of not eating.
I can't remember much of it, but I do remember that she and her husband claimed to had been breathenarians for about a year.

What struck me most about that second meeting was the transformation that she seemed to have gone through after the first time I saw her.
As ghostly, fragile and vague as she had appeared to me the first time, as real, energized and sharp outlined she looked at our second meeting.
The difference could not have been bigger.
Much more meat on the bone for instance.

I'm fairly certain that they indeed lived on other energy sources then food for the most part, but at least for her part, she looked like it seriously effected her physique.
I forgot to ask her how her energy levels where during that period, but when I saw her the first time, she also appeared to be low on that too.
In the breathenarian scene, there are all sorts of accounts of people who have different experiences with attempting to live like that, varying from perfect health to starvation to the point of death and I'm guessing that she must have been one that indeed could live without food for that year, but not in what we consider to be good health.

Aside from the discussion about whether or not it is possible to live without food, I personally think that we need food to stay grounded in reality and I don't think that being able to live without food makes you more evolved then others.

[IChingUChing]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Ichinguching,
If you could edit it into several paragraphs I would love to read it in its entirety.

Thanks AutumnW - I've tried to make the Genesis Sunfire quote slightly more readable but he doesn't have the easiest punctuation unfortunately. Hopefully it's slightly easier on the eye now.

[Joe Akulis]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
... Surviving on sunlight and air, without drinking or eating is an experience that does NOT exist. To suggest it is possible under the rubric of advanced understanding, awareness and spirituality is promoting the impossible. ...

An interesting opinion. I'm guessing you also think that the stories of an advanced person from 2000 years ago who could manifest fish and loaves of bread, all out of thin air, are just stories promoting the impossible.

There are a lot of amazing people walking the Earth right now. Is a miracle a label we use for something that challenges the impossible? Or is it something that exposes our limited understanding of who and what we really are? :-)

[conk]

Posted by onawah (here)
Breatharianism was a hot topic on the Web some years ago, and from what I remember, there was actually evidence that some people, though uncommon, have been proven able to survive for long periods without food (though a lot of the people who were claiming to do so were charlatans).
Examples of genuine cases were usually not very physically active, but lived a more meditative lifestyle, close to Nature and they lived in forests or jungles where there were lots of naturally occurring nutrients in the air and water which were absorbed through the breath and pores as much as through the digestive system via drinking water.

Too bad our dear friend Dawn isn't still around (here). She gave us a very good education on Breatharian lifestyles.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ht=breatharian Good reading for the skeptics among us.

[turiya]

Posted by Dawn (here)
About me: I took a course from the Berkeley Psychic Institute in August of 1986 in meditation. They taught a method which involved a few simple but profound steps. I'm going to write these here because, so many aware people on the forum could do this with ease. I think meditation was an important part of my process:

1) Sit in a straight backed chair with your hands resting on your thighs, palms facing up
2) Create a grounding chord linking you to the center of the earth
3) Now bring the earth energy up through the balls of your feet, up your legs, and when it arrives at the 1st chakra allow it to fall down your grounding chord like water. So now you have an upside down "U" of energy going up through your legs and down your grounding chord.
4) From your crown reach up into the 'universe' with your awareness and find a frequency of 'cosmic' energy you like and invite it down through your crown, into your spine, and on downwards, finally exiting your grounding chord. This should run down the 'back channel' of your microcosmic orbit.
5) When this cosmic flow is strong, begin to mix it with the earth energy in an 80/20 ratio and bring this up the front channel of your microcosmic orbit. Each time it reaches a chakra as it travels upwards, hold your attention on that chakra until it begins to spin and balance.

This energy will travel upwards in the front channel of the body, and when it reaches the crown it will exit and fountain out the top of the head, creating a shower of energy which cleans your outer auric field. You will also find the energy running from the heart chakra down through the arms and exiting your upturned palms in small fountains. Here is a link to a diagram of this meditation: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post356189

This type of meditation was referred to as 'running your energy'. It reverses the normal course of the microcosmic orbit. At at the end of a 30 minute meditation you will feel really clean and balanced inside as these channels open up flow without blockage.The next spring, over a few days, I went through a transition where I no longer was aware of my heart as a 3D beating thing. Instead my heart became a spinning vortex located somewhere between where my old heart had been and where the third chakra had been. I could no longer hear my heart beat. I began to notice that breathing was an ecstatic experience. Each breath felt thick and warm. Although air came in and out of my nose, the important part of the breath came in through a chakra at the base of my skull. From there it contacted the tissue at the back of the throat (this was directly opposite to the back of the mouth cavity). This thick liquid breath (prana) flowed down through the body along the chi channels and fascia. Each breath felt like liquid love, and each breath was orgasmic.

[...snipped]

The problem with this at the time was, that I found myself having a very difficult time connecting with other people. Their conversation seemed totally insane to me, and I also could not join them in the really big social events... which were always around food. I could not eat with my family, I could not have coffee with my co-workers (yes, I worked every day through this time), I could not go to lunch with friends, I could not go to dinner parties. Is this really true? No it is not, but I could not attend these things without looking like an outsider and seeming strange. After making up stories about having just eaten, having no appetite, and of being on a diet for a few months... I knew others were holding back from interacting with me. So I decided to eat again. Now this was not easy, because my body truly did not want to eat.... It fought me all the way.

When I finally got the first bite to go down and stay down without my body throwing it up and out again, I knew I was on the road to being able to interact socially with others. That first bite took over 90 minutes to get down and keep down. For about a year I was aware that all the life force in food was extracted in my mouth, from there it went through the same channels that breathing did. (entering the fascia and chi channels at the back of the throat) After chewing the food to extract this prana, what I swallowed was totally devoid of all nutrition and essentially dead decaying tissue that my body needed to deal with.

So there it is - my story about how I became a breatharian and then gave it up. Here are the steps again, stated simply:

1) Run your energy daily
2) Get plenty of exercise
3) Remain in courage and find things you are scared of to overcome
4) Spent a lot of time in nature
5) Do 'death' meditations until they become ecstatic
6) Pay attention to the chakra at the back of your throat when you breath with the intention of opening it and breathing in prana

NOTE: The only place I have found this type of breathing discussed is in Diary of a Yogi, by Yogananda. He mentioned that he had ordered this method taught in his school to all the children there. He did this so that if there was ever a famine, they could survive easily without food.

There are a number of teachers who are working with students to help them make this transition. If you google breatharian you will find a number of links to these methods.

One last note: I have told this story a number of times, it has always met with silence. No one has ever asked me a question about any of it. Something in consciousness must be changing.... you actually asked me for information.

Guided Energy Meditation
Lesson Five - Running Energy
(Published on Jun 25, 2013)

VIDEO

[4evrneo]

Anything is possible

[Spiral]

Posted by Joe Akulis (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
... Surviving on sunlight and air, without drinking or eating is an experience that does NOT exist. To suggest it is possible under the rubric of advanced understanding, awareness and spirituality is promoting the impossible. ...

An interesting opinion. I'm guessing you also think that the stories of an advanced person from 2000 years ago who could manifest fish and loaves of bread, all out of thin air, are just stories promoting the impossible.

There are a lot of amazing people walking the Earth right now. Is a miracle a label we use for something that challenges the impossible? Or is it something that exposes our limited understanding of who and what we really are? :-)

The odd thing is that said miracle was a nod at eating as as basic need ?

[Ben]

"What if conventional wisdom regarding our most fundamental energy requirements has been wrong all along and we can directly harness the energy of the Sun when we consume 'plant blood'?"

I've just found this very interesting article about the striking similarities between haemaglobin and chlorophyll, and the potential for us all to feed, energize, and heal ourselves from the sun's energy.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/chl...can-revolution

[Franny]

Some years ago I had recently joined a meditation group. One night I had a powerful kundalini experience, my body buzzed with energy. I was not able to sleep that night, in fact I slept for 2-4 hours a night for the next 5 weeks or so. Then I noticed I was never hungry and realized I had eaten nothing for a few days, just drinking water, tea and coffee. I had no desire to eat and in fact ate nothing for about a month. Had a piece of fruit one day and over the next week or so started eating again. I lost no weight and was fine.

Michael Talbot in The Holographic Universe describes a woman in the 1930s named Dolores I believe. She never ate, just didn't feel hungry. Finally she allowed some nuns to follow her and stay at her house to make sure she never ate. They never found food there and never observed her eating, none of her workmates, dates or friends observed her eating.

I believe you can get the book here thru the free books section. Get it because it's very interesting.

Years ago I knew some people that owned an Indian restaurant, a very GOOD Indian restaurant . The man was a Brahmin and the woman was from Brazil. She never ate any of the restaurant food, she only ate a piece of tropical fruit each day. She said even eating rice was too much for her. Her husband, being Indian, told me he understood.

Eight or 10 years ago I read 2 different articles about 2 people in India that ate nothing. The engineer had eaten nothing for many years, just had tea while his family ate. The other was a yogi type that was locked into a hospital for 10 days with no access to water or food. There were cameras on him 24/7 and they saw no food or water consumed. He drank water at the end of his 10 days. Apparently NASA wanted to study both with an idea that it might help conserve space and weight on long term travels to other worlds. I think both of these were on UK news sites.

So, yes, it's all anecdotal and no one actually claimed to be a breatharian. They are just a few examples of people that get their energy from places other than food - and E = mc2. Some use mass and some use energy but, ultimately it's the same thing.

I just recalled, the engineer said he stood outside and gazed at the rising or setting sun thru the trees which energized him.

Cheers...

[AutumnW]

Not eating food, as part of a spiritual journey should be challenged anywhere it pops up. And 'energy is energy' regardless of where it comes from is incorrect and potentially damaging to emotionally fragile readers who may be pregnant and take it to heart. Who wants to be responsible for that? Step right up!💀

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Not eating food, as part of a spiritual journey should be challenged anywhere it pops up. And 'energy is energy' regardless of where it comes from is incorrect and potentially damaging to emotionally fragile readers who may be pregnant and take it to heart. Who wants to be responsible for that? Step right up!💀

I think everyone heard your opinion the first four times ... (note that I am neither condemning nor endorsing breatharianism, as I stated earlier, it's not a topic I know enough about, but I do know some science and research around the human body and the way it works - as I presented neutrally in an earlier post)

Do you have anything new for us to consider, any anecdotes? personal experiences? research?

[AutumnW]

Not condemning breatharianism based on science and research? Hmmm...

Dedukshyn,

I have experienced people I am close to stop eating when they become psychotic. It deepens the psychosis, though there may have been some paradoxical euphoria along the way.

The psychotic became thinner and thinner, to the point of starvation.

It was LOVELY. You really should have been there, to neither support or condemn not eating. Oh yes, watching a sibling starving to death is such a spiritual experience.

Could have been worse. She could have been young and pregnant, or...had a small child and imposed her 'lifestyle choice' on them.

Why is it that those earnestly promoting this way of life on YouTube aren't practising their brand of spirituality in the Sudan? And why are all those people dying from starvation? Is it because,they are not getting enough sunlight? Is it because the air isn't 'pure' enough?

[AutumnW]

Posted by Spiral (here)

Posted by Joe Akulis (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
... Surviving on sunlight and air, without drinking or eating is an experience that does NOT exist. To suggest it is possible under the rubric of advanced understanding, awareness and spirituality is promoting the impossible. ...

An interesting opinion. I'm guessing you also think that the stories of an advanced person from 2000 years ago who could manifest fish and loaves of bread, all out of thin air, are just stories promoting the impossible.

There are a lot of amazing people walking the Earth right now. Is a miracle a label we use for something that challenges the impossible? Or is it something that exposes our limited understanding of who and what we really are? :-)

The odd thing is that said miracle was a nod at eating as as basic need ?

Yes, the loaves and fishes story is most likely smoke and mirrors, or never happened. Not eating and expecting to live is engaging in 'forcing a miracle.' It is the height of spiritual hubris or mental illness.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Surviving on sunlight and air, without drinking or eating is an experience that does NOT exist.

Go look up the Nepalese Buddha Boy. Please do.

He sat in deep meditation under a tree for 10 months, never ate or drank a thing, and was on camera the whole time, often in front of crowds of people. He was just a teenager.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o8v-acTNzuY

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Not condemning breatharianism based on science and research? Hmmm...

I guess you didn't read my lengthy post on page 1 ... which was based on research and science -- I can provide references to peer reviewed studies if you care ...

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Dedukshyn,

I have experienced people ...

You can't experience others, for one ... and people who stop eating because they are psychotic is not the topic of this thread. There's a clear wee bit of projection here ... Not to diminish your experience with others, but you have to recognize this emotional aspect of yours you bring to this conversation. I feel "Do you have more to bring to this thread than repeating the same thing?" is still quite a valid inquiry ...

[Mike]

Quite simply, it seems that breatharianism *is* possible...but it's possible in the way that levitating is possible. In other words, *incredibly rare*...as in "don't try this at home" rare. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's responsible to seriously suggest or try...particularly if one is pregnant. This is just good common sense and must be regarded as so.

I think that's the disconnect going on in this thread with Autumn and a few others.

The problem here is that there are those who *think* they can pull off such a feat (not eating or drinking) and there are those who actually *can* pull off such a feat...so for every enlightened soul that truly can perpetually fast safely, there are a large number of delusionals who will try and fail, harming or killing themselves in the process.

This seems to be the situation to me.

So, as Jules in 'Pulp Fiction" said: "Acknowledge the miracle".....just don't expect it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s63pXpSAv6Q

[PurpleLama]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Not condemning breatharianism based on science and research? Hmmm...

Dedukshyn,

I have experienced people I am close to stop eating when they become psychotic. It deepens the psychosis, though there may have been some paradoxical euphoria along the way.

The psychotic became thinner and thinner, to the point of starvation.

It was LOVELY. You really should have been there, to neither support or condemn not eating. Oh yes, watching a sibling starving to death is such a spiritual experience.

Could have been worse. She could have been young and pregnant, or...had a small child and imposed her 'lifestyle choice' on them.

Why is it that those earnestly promoting this way of life on YouTube aren't practising their brand of spirituality in the Sudan? And why are all those people dying from starvation? Is it because,they are not getting enough sunlight? Is it because the air isn't 'pure' enough?

The topic is breatharianism not anorexia nervosa.