Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Marikins (here)
This is the link to the BitChute video which the channel VicturusLibertas is using to avoid YouTube censorship: https://www.bitchute.com/video/koC9UNm79oaf/
Mods please note: I don't believe I can embed it with the current tags. If you can, please do.

The video is well worth a listen.

I too don't know how to embed it here ... sorry .

Me either but have downloaded it!

[ThePythonicCow]

One more detail that seems odd to me ... according to the official numbers (from the Las Vegas Sheriff a day or two ago), there are about 58 who died the night of October 1, about 50 more wounded still in a hospital, and about 500 who were treated for injuries or wounds and since released.

Granted, I should trust such official numbers about as much as I should trust the NSA's publicly released budget numbers ...

But ignoring that for a minute, I would think that if someone were spraying a crowd with automatic weapons fire, that the number N1 of seriously wounded, who would be in a hospital for longer than a couple of weeks, or N2 who would survive the first day, but die sometime in the following couple of weeks, would be quite a bit larger than the N3 number who died before even getting to a hospital (given the ready availability of hospitals, as in Las Vegas.)

That is, I would expect N1 + N2 to be greater than N3: more people with very critical injuries, who either died or were still in a hospital two weeks later, than who died on site.

But we have N3 == 58, and N1 + N2 not greater than N3, but actually equal to zero: every one either died on site, or is still alive two weeks later and mostly already out of the hospital.

That doesn't seem like random firing on a crowd to me. That seems like the work of trained sniper(s). Those intentionally targeted died on the spot, and a similar number of others received serious injuries (trampling, falling, random shots, ...) which so far haven't killed any of those 50 or so still a hospital.

Of course, Satori would be right to raise an eye brow at this post of mine ... why am I wasting my time analyzing these almost certainly fake numbers?

I don't have a good answer to that raised eyebrow .

Either those numbers are fake (almost certain), or this was a satanic blood sacrifice and anyone who was critically wounded died that night (also almost certain in my view), or most of the direct bullet hits were head shots or center of mass shots by trained snipers, using highly lethal kinds of bullets such as hollow points (also likely in my view), or ... ?

[DNA]

What is the word on the Tropicana video?
I've heard on Alex Jones that this video was within moments after the shooting stopped.
The Tropicana is a hotel with an excellent vantage point over the festival where the shootings took place.
Are these men part of the group of shooters who participated in this act?
This group hardly looks like any type of sanctioned group of police officers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niBgnjtMSsg

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=niBgnjtMSsg

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Satori (here)
We proceed henceforth by refusing to feed the "Creature from Jekyll Island." And any other central banking and confiscatory taxing system.

All it takes is that elusive critical mass to starve the creature.

My take is not that the "beast" (the elite bastards) relies on debt-money (such as issued by central banks) to feed itself, but rather that the beast uses debt-money as it's most fluid and useful means of control of our civilization.

So I end up recommending not expecting to starve the beast, but rather to avoid the beast further entrapping us. As the bean counters say, happiness is a positive cash flow and (I would add) no debt. Stay out of (or, for most of us, get out of) debt. Keep one's necessary expenses lower than one's reliable income. Build reserves of tools, food, water, ... whatever, so that one can remain flexible and adapt to changing economic conditions.

These recommendations weaken the chains of debt-money bondage that constrain our liberty. They lessen the bonds (pun intended) of our slavery.

I do not expect debt-money to substantially go away, ever, in the remaining life of our present civilization.

Posted by Satori (here)
in the USA, the second amendment of our Consitution recognizes the natural, and un-lienable (inalienable), right to bear Arms. ("Arms" is not a static term. Please think about that.)

Yes - arms, and we don't mean just 200 year old muskets, are a natural right and are an essential tool in maintaining some balance in this unending struggle between free men and tyrants.

Posted by Satori (here)
It's time to draw a line and say "no more." But mean it, and be ready, willing and able to back it up. It's now or never.

So far as I can tell from my readings of (mostly censored) history, the struggle will continue, "forever". Neither the elite bastards nor the common human can expect a climatic, do-or-die, "battle". Rather the struggle will continue. We do what we can with the life we have.

[Ewan]

Posted by Paul (here)
That doesn't seem like random firing on a crowd to me. That seems like the work of trained sniper(s).

Yet the sounds from the evening are all automatic gunfire, (are they not?), which cannot be aimed with much success, (as I understand weapons, which isn't much), after the first round of every burst.
Sprayed automatic fire could cause several fatalities, a few critical wounds and a bunch more injuries. I would have no confidence in estimating N-values as likely outcomes in such a scenario.

The people who have analysed the sounds of that evening would have picked up even supressed sniper fire in their audio forensics, wouldn't they?

[Tintin]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Marikins (here)
This is the link to the BitChute video which the channel VicturusLibertas is using to avoid YouTube censorship: https://www.bitchute.com/video/koC9UNm79oaf/
Mods please note: I don't believe I can embed it with the current tags. If you can, please do.

The video is well worth a listen.

I too don't know how to embed it here ... sorry .

Yes, absolutely a must listen. Here's a link to the Michael Savage audio with witness "Gail" mentioned by Cheryl in the video: https://michaelsavage.com/2017/10/04...iple-shooters/, Compelling listening and a true account.

(And I'll email Bill the mp3 of the October 4th show. Gail comes on around the 1:09.07 mark).

[Cidersomerset]

Las Vegas Conspiracy Theories - Watters' World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwwf_Uu7CWA
Published on 14 Oct 2017...Fox News
Las Vegas Conspiracy Theories - Watters' World

Thanks Kiwi this is typical of how mainstream take alternate theories....


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FBI ‘Hand-In-Hand’ With Vegas PD, Begin Damage Control:
'There Is No Conspiracy… Nobody Is Attempt to Hide Anything'


Andrew Cheetham ...C.Icke.com



FBI 'Hand-In-Hand' With Vegas PD, Begin Damage Control:
"There Is No Conspiracy... Nobody Is Attempt to Hide Anything"

by Tyler Durden
Oct 14, 2017 3:45 AM

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department appeared to
be visibly shaken when told reporters Friday that he wasn’t attempting to be “subversive”
in previous statements he made surrounding details of the October 1 massacre at the
Route 91 Music Festival where 58 people lost their lives.

As Intellihub details, in the ‘no questions’ conference, which members of the independent
media were not allowed to attend, the sheriff said that he’s “well aware” of the timeline
dispute released by MGM Management on Thursday which claims that Stephen Paddock
fired his weapon into the crowd just seconds after Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus
Campos was struck by a bullet in the 32nd-floor hallway outside the shooter’s end suite.

read more....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...-family-has-ga

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RT has not covered this event as much as others probably nervous of the on going
prejudice against them by the establishment in the US. This is a summery of
events so far.

Las Vegas Probe: Hotel failed to notify police right after shooting warning

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=roEPw6sH85o

Published on 15 Oct 2017
A woman wounded in the October 1 Las Vegas mass shooting has filed a
lawsuit against the hotel the gunman fired from. Police found the property
was used by the gunman as an arms warehouse.

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#LasVegasShooting: 58 People Dead, 546 Injured and Legacy Sockpuppet Media Still Refuse to Dig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t2dme7FMrw

Published on 15 Oct 2017
The strange chronology of events in the Las Vegas music festival shooting shifted
again Friday when authorities said that a hotel security guard injured by the
gunman was struck just as the massacre unfolded, not minutes earlier. Oops.

Clark County Sheriff Joe "Nathan Thurm" Lombardo's assessment backtracks from
when he initially told reporters on Monday that the guard, Jesus Campos, was shot
at 9:59 p.m. on the night of the Oct. 1 rampage. That was a change from when
Lombardo said previously that Campos was shot after the attack on the concert.

An emotional and confused Lombardo, however, reiterated that the investigation
remains fluid and that there is "no conspiracy" to hide certain information from the
public.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Marikins (here)
This is the link to the BitChute video which the channel VicturusLibertas is using to avoid YouTube censorship: https://www.bitchute.com/video/koC9UNm79oaf/
Mods please note: I don't believe I can embed it with the current tags. If you can, please do.

The video is well worth a listen.

I too don't know how to embed it here ... sorry .

Mod note from Bill:

Right, unfortunately, BitChute is too new (or the forum is too old!) for there to be an embed capability here.

But advantages of BitChute, for those unfamiliar with it, are that one can right-click on the video, and

• Play it at various speeds (faster or slower)
• Save the video to disk. (This is of course super-useful.)

[turiya]

SGT Update....

THE FBI'S VEGAS "INVESTIGATION"
IS A FARCE
(Oct 14, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MReQtRxD2-M

Published on Oct 14, 2017

The quantifiable evidence is growing by the day, the FBI's Las Vegas "investigation" is a total farce. The Truth Factory: Las Vegas Inconsistencies - It's Not Adding Up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOuzw... Audio Analysis of Las Vegas Shooter - Doesn't add up.

For REAL news 24/7: http://sgtreport.com/ http://thephaser.com/ http://thelibertymill.com/

[Tintin]

Planet Hollywood event - October 1st 2017: some more witness testimony from that evening, which is I think helpful as far as multiple event and multiple shooters are (and were of course) concerned. This is very very good folks and contains a lot of hitherto unknown insights and other verification for some angles already covered in this thread. Brilliantly presented as well. (Two videos here in one: the first one is the candid account of what she remembers and experienced)

https://tvclip.biz/video/BXBfCIukLmA...hollywood.html

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BXBfCIukLmA

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tintin Quarantino (here)
Planet Hollywood event - October 1st 2017: some more witness testimony from that evening, which is I think helpful as far as multiple event and multiple shooters are (and were of course) concerned. This is very very good folks and contains a lot of hitherto unknown insights and other verification for some angles already covered in this thread. Brilliantly presented as well.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BXBfCIukLmA

Yes, this is new, and definitely a must-see.

[Caliban]

Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ewan (here)
Yet the sounds from the evening are all automatic gunfire, (are they not?), which cannot be aimed with much success, (as I understand weapons, which isn't much), after the first round of every burst.
Sprayed automatic fire could cause several fatalities, a few critical wounds and a bunch more injuries. I would have no confidence in estimating N-values as likely outcomes in such a scenario.

The people who have analysed the sounds of that evening would have picked up even supressed sniper fire in their audio forensics, wouldn't they?

The sounds that have been picked up on people's smart phone recordings are of automatic fire, yes.

My current speculation (that and $2.95 will get you a cup of bad coffee at Starbucks) is that

• the automatic fire was cover for the sniper fire,
• the automatic fire was intended to cause more panic and chaos,
• the automatic fire also fits the story line and will justify automatic weapons bans,
• the sniper fire was to ensure lots of blood and death that some evil bastards "enjoy", and
• the sounds of the sniper fire were lost in the noise and confusion on the few recordings we have..

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Caliban (here)
Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.

I figure that

• this was a ritual blood harvest,
• real dead people and lots of blood are essential for such an event,
• crisis actors are used for press interviews to minimize uncontrolled leakage of the true details,
• crisis actors are also useful to get out false details to the public,
• dead people don't talk, and crisis actors don't reveal secrets, and
• the evil bastards behind this intend for multiple, conflicting story lines, evidence and testimony to come forth, the better to hide the truth in a cloud of confusion.

I recommend not closing our eyes in order to pretend no fear, but looking reality straight in the eye and countering it's evil parts as best we can.

[Noelle]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Caliban (here)
Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.

I figure that

• this was a ritual blood harvest,
• real dead people and lots of blood are essential for such an event,
• crisis actors are used for press interviews to minimize uncontrolled leakage of the true details,
• crisis actors are also useful to get out false details to the public,
• dead people don't talk, and crisis actors don't reveal secrets, and
• the evil bastards behind this intend for multiple, conflicting story lines, evidence and testimony to come forth, the better to hide the truth in a cloud of confusion.

I recommend not closing our eyes in order to pretend no fear, but looking reality straight in the eye and countering it's evil parts as best we can.

I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by LadyM (here)
I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.

There's a few percentage of us humans who can be sufficiently separated from compassion and honesty, who can have their minds sufficiently wrapped around lies and deceit, that they can be setup to do such things. You see some of these people on the nightly news ... as both the news anchors and as the politicians and military and government officials being interviewed.

I'm pretty sure that if you got a chance to chat with one of these crisis actors over a couple of glasses of beer, that their view of what they were doing and of what was going on would not resemble the sorts of views posted on this thread.

[muxfolder]

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Caliban (here)
Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.

I figure that

• this was a ritual blood harvest,
• real dead people and lots of blood are essential for such an event,
• crisis actors are used for press interviews to minimize uncontrolled leakage of the true details,
• crisis actors are also useful to get out false details to the public,
• dead people don't talk, and crisis actors don't reveal secrets, and
• the evil bastards behind this intend for multiple, conflicting story lines, evidence and testimony to come forth, the better to hide the truth in a cloud of confusion.

I recommend not closing our eyes in order to pretend no fear, but looking reality straight in the eye and countering it's evil parts as best we can.

I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.

I've been pondering this one too. Maybe they are just simply paid well or some other way very well rewarded. Who knows. I bet it's only a matter of time when some of them is gonna blow the whistle. It'll help if some of the actors are screwed over and not getting paid or killed or injured in duty. Then again, there is possibility that they are in one those programs like MK-ultra.

Sorry. Kind of offtopic.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

LauraLoomer Interviews Two #LasVegasShooting Eyewitnesses

(Note This young couple were at the concert when shots broke out. Girl feels they were being chased by a shooter as they ran.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ep6R6j6kkA8

[Caliban]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Caliban (here)
Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.

I figure that

• this was a ritual blood harvest,
• real dead people and lots of blood are essential for such an event,
• crisis actors are used for press interviews to minimize uncontrolled leakage of the true details,
• crisis actors are also useful to get out false details to the public,
• dead people don't talk, and crisis actors don't reveal secrets, and
• the evil bastards behind this intend for multiple, conflicting story lines, evidence and testimony to come forth, the better to hide the truth in a cloud of confusion.

I recommend not closing our eyes in order to pretend no fear, but looking reality straight in the eye and countering it's evil parts as best we can.

Some good points, Paul. So most of these recent events have been totally staged and with no one (seemingly) harmed. This one was apparently some kind of unspeakable ritual that needed blood and death. Obviously there's a difference, most fundamentally to the people harmed/killed and their families.

But both types (harm/no harm, all crisis actors) are Terror events and have similar emotional repercussions in society. Most people cannot or will not bother to tell the difference. What's fascinating, in a way, is that in the latter cases terror is being created from nothing, literally nothing. It's like going to see Macbeth and leaving the theater and believing that you just witnessed events that have reality beyond the theater and real blood was spilled and real people died. It's trauma created from nothing, from a fantasy taken flesh.

Don Delillo has written a lot about the sociological phenomenon of terrorism, especially in books like Players and Mao II. He went deep into it, even comparing terrorism to novel writing. In Mao II a novelist character says, "What terrorists gain, novelists lose. The degree to which they influence mass consciousness is the extent of our (i.e. novelists) decline as shapers of sensibility and thought. The danger they represent equals our own failure to be dangerous." That's from 1991.

One wonders how Delillo would write about terrorism in 2017. Is he aware of this game being played? I can't answer that, though I would presume he knew about Gladio and such. But what is "terrorism" anymore? Can the quote above still be applied today? When you can never say who the "terror" (real or completely fake) comes from, what is a terrorist? The categories of understanding and definition have totally changed.

[Cidersomerset]

Alex does not normally put up vids on a sunday , but this was posted and it
speaks for itself. Alex express's his concerns and gives a detailed summery
of events so far in clips and commentary and fears an on going cover up is
in progress , he also has concerns for Sherriff Lombardo's well being and more....


Vegas Coverup Collapsing: Sheriff May Be In Danger

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oqAaxztu3is

Published on 15 Oct 2017
Alex Jones discusses the latest in Vegas Massacre coverup.