Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

[Nasu]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...graphy-charges

Vegas Gunman's Brother Arrested For Child Porn; Laptop Hard Drive Missing

So now they are apparently reporting Paddock removed his own laptop hard drive before he suicided himself.

Separately, as the search for a motive behind the deadliest mass shooting in US history appears to have hit a wall - and while the multiple changes in the timeline of events have raised questions about the effectiveness of the initial response - ABC News reports that the laptop computer recovered from Paddock’s room was missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information into Paddock’s frame of mind at the time of the shooting.

Paddock is believed to have removed the hard drive before fatally shooting himself, and the missing device has not yet been recovered.

It just gets more and more ridiculous with each day that passes. The FBI has no self respect to even say such a fool story. So he washed the hard-drive down the toilet before he shot himself under that by-pod ar15, off course he did....

Talking about the FBI losing all credibility, here is a god vid from the same chap who did the audio analysis of the shots to find that there were at least two shooters. Well worth a listen imo.... N

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lSjY4dLRGTc

[TargeT]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
They would definitely be visible.

Dang - I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of that kind of fire power .

that set up has tracer rounds in the clips. Tracer rounds are not common, and obtaining them might be a bit of a milspec red flag issue. (don't know, haven't looked at general availability)

Only some were firing tracers (and besides, you normally load 2 Ball rounds, then 1 tracer, then 2 ball rounds etc...), but tracers do not effect the muzzle flash at all, it's the same; and tracers are VERY easy to get (but F'n TERRIBLE to shoot, so dirty! so much cleanup after!), but be a TERRIBLE idea from a sniper position as there would be red streaks going from the window into the crowd (assuming he was shooting from there).

Posted by lloyds (here)

judging by your reply about semi autos I'm guessing you have some sort of back ground in firearms. so im not trying to tell you how to suck eggs. but just to clarify for others..

In that video, 99% of the people are using tracer rounds. it isn't hard to suppress muzzle flash on a rifle. You can buy fittings that screw onto the barrel like a silencer does and it stops the large flash when the projectile leaves the barrel. These are easily obtainable to the average person here in Australia where gun laws are ridiculously tight, so i doubt you will see any muzzle flashes from any of the shooters..

18 years in the military, still in

Looking at the pictures of hte rifles found, there were normal "flash suppressors" installed on the rifles found, exactly the same as on the guns that were shot in the video I showed (you can see the flash suppressors at the front of their rifles). Tracer rounds do not change mussel flash in any appreciable way.


I've never fired a rifle with out a flash suppressor, it doesn't do much at all on large caliber weapons, the biggest advantage is barrel rise mitigation really (the flash goes mostly UP, helping the barrel from raising during rapid fire and for easy target re-acquisition when firing in semi-auto).

I qualify on the M16 or M4 every year and used head to the range most weekends for fun; it's an Alaska thing

[Cidersomerset]

I think this show is from last Friday ? though it was posted yesterday
and they discuss the Las Vegas casino scene in general and more...


Jeff & Gary Holland - The Campos Scam On Ellen And More

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qjCBnEoQ9o4

Published on 24 Oct 2017
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May just be yet another coincidence as the JFK probably redacted files are due to
come out this week. I just saw this on the headline page for Sandy hook...

just letting you know , no need to reply on this thread....

read more...
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1187238

[Cidersomerset]

This is the latest mainstream theory from the New York Times....


A new perspective on timeline of Las Vegas massacre

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=a39Ls0BQtjY

Published on 25 Oct 2017
The New York Times has stitched together a new timeline illustrating how events
may have unfolded the night of the Las Vegas massacre. Malachy Browne is a
senior story producer at the Times and joined CBSN to discuss.

By/ Crimesider Staff/ AP/ October 25, 2017, 12:38 PM

Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock's brother Bruce arrested for child porn
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-veg...or-child-porn/

[Tintin]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
They would definitely be visible.

Dang - I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of that kind of fire power .

that set up has tracer rounds in the clips. Tracer rounds are not common, and obtaining them might be a bit of a milspec red flag issue. (don't know, haven't looked at general availability)

Only some were firing tracers (and besides, you normally load 2 Ball rounds, then 1 tracer, then 2 ball rounds etc...), but tracers do not effect the muzzle flash at all, it's the same; and tracers are VERY easy to get (but F'n TERRIBLE to shoot, so dirty! so much cleanup after!), but be a TERRIBLE idea from a sniper position as there would be red streaks going from the window into the crowd (assuming he was shooting from there).

Posted by lloyds (here)

judging by your reply about semi autos I'm guessing you have some sort of back ground in firearms. so im not trying to tell you how to suck eggs. but just to clarify for others..

In that video, 99% of the people are using tracer rounds. it isn't hard to suppress muzzle flash on a rifle. You can buy fittings that screw onto the barrel like a silencer does and it stops the large flash when the projectile leaves the barrel. These are easily obtainable to the average person here in Australia where gun laws are ridiculously tight, so i doubt you will see any muzzle flashes from any of the shooters..

18 years in the military, still in

Looking at the pictures of hte rifles found, there were normal "flash suppressors" installed on the rifles found, exactly the same as on the guns that were shot in the video I showed (you can see the flash suppressors at the front of their rifles). Tracer rounds do not change mussel flash in any appreciable way.


I've never fired a rifle with out a flash suppressor, it doesn't do much at all on large caliber weapons, the biggest advantage is barrel rise mitigation really (the flash goes mostly UP, helping the barrel from raising during rapid fire and for easy target re-acquisition when firing in semi-auto).

I qualify on the M16 or M4 every year and used head to the range most weekends for fun; it's an Alaska thing

My brother is in the British military and I'm seeing him this weekend. He's done the tours and I shall be asking him about ballistics and the theatre of battle, so that I can be very certain what may or may not have been used, from his experience, and how it may apply to this atrocity. He'll know, for sure. And may provide some insight into what is currently being used and how it works. Will feed back.

[Inaiá]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Mandalay Bay Las Vegas Shooting Aftermath perspective from MGM Grand

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v3JwEbBMt-Q

About this video, i saw THIS comment: "At 16:00 mark you can see something flying around the right corner of the hotel. Watch it in full screen and keep your eye on the right corner around the 32nd floor. It looks like something is flying around shooting.".

Any guesses of what it could be?

[Orph]

Posted by Inaiá (here)

Any guesses of what it could be?

Those "lights" show up at about the 13:30 mark as well. It might possibly be a drone. It might be just reflections of planes. I know it appears to be flying around the hotel, but, ....... the video just isn't clear enough.

[Tintin]

Alex Jones/Laura Loomer of course picked this up a while ago, and, the Clark County Coroner's office being on lockdown, peculiar in itself. What's great about this piece of film from Jason Goodman is that at 0:50 into the film their phone number is clearly displayed. I am seriously tempted to try ringing them. Maybe one or two more intrepid US based Avalon members interested in exploring this further might like to have a go at calling them and feedback here? Just an idea. I'm based in the UK so it may prove alarmingly pricey but I am prepared to try.

Anyway, if it helps, here's Jason's film and experience:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I9w3Q74X3Gg

[WTHTLight]

https://www.intellihub.com/jesus-cam...fter-shooting/
Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos drove rental car into California from Mexico one week after shooting
So lets get this straight. After being shot in the leg ...Jesse Quintero...errr...Campos was allowed to leave the country for a week as the primary witness to the shooter. Whoever is running this operation really does think that the American public is SO STUPID! This guy is not a registered security guard, not who he says he is, using a fake name and some one else's SS#, story has changed several times, is being guarded by a private security firm, allowed to leave the country after being SHOT, ....uh do I need to go on! This official story just on this one guy alone is enough to question the validity of everything associated with this operation. I know one thing if I had an open wound from a gunshot to my leg, the first thing I would want to do is run to MEXICO! Remember while he was in Mexico driving a rental car with his gun shot wounded leg, the official story for that week was that the FBI & LVPD did not know where he was, his union rep did not know where he was ......gheesh really.
In the infamous words of Obi-Won ...These are not the droids you are looking for...move along.
Nothing to see here America ...move along...how bout them bears or cowboys!
my 2 cents
rehabdoc

[mountain_jim]

Guess that's where the missing laptop drive went.

Very likely his role and involvement is much different than the official story.

[Hervé]

No broken windows yet... no lights either:

High rez: http://www.panamatoday.com/sites/def...que%20nota.jpg



High rez: https://gdb.voanews.com/8ebfa731-155...w1200_r1_s.jpg

... anyone not yet realized how incriminating this is?

[Tintin]

Chantal Marx recounting her experience from being at the concert, recorded October 2nd and posted to Youtube on October 6th. I've undertaken a quick search on the thread and it hasn't been posted up before, at least as much as I can ascertain.

TvClip.biz clip here: https://tvclip.biz/video/0rT9gzoc684...10-1-2017.html

YouTube clip here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p8M1x7NZVyk

[Cidersomerset]

About this video, i saw THIS comment: "At 16:00 mark you can see something
flying around the right corner of the hotel. Watch it in full screen and keep your eye on
the right corner around the 32nd floor. It looks like something is flying around shooting.".

Yeah there is a light in the back ground , in the Rence interview above #784 they
bring up a possible helicopter over head and there is a large drone base relatively
near by, and of course the airport. I would of thought there would of been air
assets in the area pretty soon, but cannot point to anything. It may have already
been discussed earlier ?

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Tucker asks a couple of interesting questions about FBI and sheriffs office...
That Paddock was not the 'ghost' as the FBI claim , and why was Campos
allowed to go back to Mexico and had no licence as a security guard and more....

Exclusive: Security guard left country after Vegas massacre

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hpQMELiOUJs

Published on 25 Oct 2017
Source provides document that shows Jesus Campos, the only eyewitness to
the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, entering the United States from
Mexico at the San Ysidro border crossing in San Diego county almost exactly
one week after the Las Vegas massacre. Why did Campos go to Mexico? Many
questions remain unanswered in massacre. #Tucker

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MYSTERIOUS NEW DETAILS on Vegas!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5ahA8wu0Ngc

Published on 25 Oct 2017

[Cidersomerset]

This fits the MO of a professional assassin , it does not make sense

Report: Vegas shooter removed hard drive from laptop

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s4UN1rRN9Fk

Published on 25 Oct 2017
Counterterrorism expert Aaron Cohen reacts to reports about a laptop found
in Stephen Paddock's hotel room.

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RT NEWS...

Las Vegas shooter's laptop hard drive missing, brother charged with child porn

Published 26 oct.....
'Investigators recovered a laptop computer from Las Vegas shooter Stephen
Paddock's hotel room, but its hard drive is missing. In a separate case, Paddock’s
brother has been charged with possession of child pornography.

Investigators believe Paddock removed the hard drive from the laptop before he
fatally shot himself, following the October 1 mass shooting from his Mandalay Bay
hotel room in Las Vegas, according to unnamed sources, ABC News reported
Wednesday.

Read more
https://www.rt.com/usa/407799-stephe...ampaign=chrome

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Stafan Molyneux tries to debunk conspiracy theories but is having trouble with Paddock...

Las Vegas Shooter's Brother Arrested For Child Pornography

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVQZjXyCRUk
Published on 25 Oct 2017...Stefan Molyneux

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Stephen Paddock's Brother Arrested For Child Porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5NztaL5A3s

Published on 25 Oct 2017
The plot thickens in the Vegas investigation. Does Stephen Paddock have any
connections to this filth like his brother did?

[Slorri]

Posted by Tintin Quarantino (here)
Chantal Marx recounting her experience from being at the concert, recorded October 2nd and posted to Youtube on October 6th. I've undertaken a quick search on the thread and it hasn't been posted up before, at least as much as I can ascertain.

TvClip.biz clip here: https://tvclip.biz/video/0rT9gzoc684...10-1-2017.html

YouTube clip here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p8M1x7NZVyk

Notice how they often make this mistake of giving too much details in their narratives to make it sound more genuine.
If the event was real then you would not present a narrative like this, but on the other hand, if you want to make it sound real, then this might be exactly what you would do.
They are painting a picture but they are overdoing it.

[Flash]

I do not agree with you because some people need to recount and tell every detail in order to process the stress. I am one of those needing to name the unbelievable difficult details.

Furthermore she tells about gunfire in other casinos, about the shooting becoming louder and louder (therefore nearer) which means multiple on the ground shooters This is contrary to the official stories. My bet: she is for real

Posted by Slorri (here)

Posted by Tintin Quarantino (here)
Chantal Marx recounting her experience from being at the concert, recorded October 2nd and posted to Youtube on October 6th. I've undertaken a quick search on the thread and it hasn't been posted up before, at least as much as I can ascertain.

TvClip.biz clip here: https://tvclip.biz/video/0rT9gzoc684...10-1-2017.html

YouTube clip here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p8M1x7NZVyk

Notice how they often make this mistake of giving too much details in their narratives to make it sound more genuine.
If the event was real then you would not present a narrative like this, but on the other hand, if you want to make it sound real, then this might be exactly what you would do.
They are painting a picture but they are overdoing it.

[Tintin]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

This fits the MO of a professional assassin , it does not make sense

Report: Vegas shooter removed hard drive from laptop

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s4UN1rRN9Fk

Published on 25 Oct 2017
Counterterrorism expert Aaron Cohen reacts to reports about a laptop found
in Stephen Paddock's hotel room.

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RT NEWS...

Las Vegas shooter's laptop hard drive missing, brother charged with child porn

Published 26 oct.....
'Investigators recovered a laptop computer from Las Vegas shooter Stephen
Paddock's hotel room, but its hard drive is missing. In a separate case, Paddock’s
brother has been charged with possession of child pornography.

Investigators believe Paddock removed the hard drive from the laptop before he
fatally shot himself, following the October 1 mass shooting from his Mandalay Bay
hotel room in Las Vegas, according to unnamed sources, ABC News reported
Wednesday.

Read more
https://www.rt.com/usa/407799-stephe...ampaign=chrome

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Stafan Molyneux tries to debunk conspiracy theories but is having trouble with Paddock...

Las Vegas Shooter's Brother Arrested For Child Pornography

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVQZjXyCRUk
Published on 25 Oct 2017...Stefan Molyneux

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Stephen Paddock's Brother Arrested For Child Porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5NztaL5A3s

Published on 25 Oct 2017
The plot thickens in the Vegas investigation. Does Stephen Paddock have any
connections to this filth like his brother did?

Thanks for posting this Cider. I've made the point before as well that this was an execution job, done by a 'cell' contracted to pull this off, expertly; this is not the work of a lone individual, never was, and never will be. Anybody still bogged down with that idea does, gently in my view, need to be snapped out of it extraordinarily quickly. And with a recent post you drew the parallel with the supposed release of JFK files (um, right, so they'll be revealing actualness will they? - my doubt. The Beeb even ran a story around this earlier still asserting LHO in their narrative. Blinking flip.) that dovetails, and the ever so convenient lone-gunman narrative around this horror. Synchronicity! Dear oh dear...

[Tintin]

Posted by Flash (here)
I do not agree with you because some people need to recount and tell every detail in order to process the stress. I am one of those needing to name the unbelievable difficult details.

Furthermore she tells about gunfire in other casinos, about the shooting becoming louder and louder (therefore nearer) which means multiple on the ground shooters This is contrary to the official stories. My bet: she is for real

Posted by Slorri (here)

Posted by Tintin Quarantino (here)
Chantal Marx recounting her experience from being at the concert, recorded October 2nd and posted to Youtube on October 6th. I've undertaken a quick search on the thread and it hasn't been posted up before, at least as much as I can ascertain.

TvClip.biz clip here: https://tvclip.biz/video/0rT9gzoc684...10-1-2017.html

YouTube clip here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p8M1x7NZVyk

Notice how they often make this mistake of giving too much details in their narratives to make it sound more genuine.
If the event was real then you would not present a narrative like this, but on the other hand, if you want to make it sound real, then this might be exactly what you would do.
They are painting a picture but they are overdoing it.

(With respect to Slorri but it's a confused reading):Flash, I'm with you on this. This is not made-up stuff. This young woman went through this. Of course there'll be certain recall, and certain gaps. It was a traumatic experience wasn't it. One always tries to imagine what it may be like to be stuck in a situation like that, and, to tell you the truth in as much as I can imagine it, I'd probably do and say similar things. It's a catharsis, a necessary healing to let it out. Then is not a time to get bogged down in actual fact, that comes later. Her commentary on her thread on Youtube further compounds its genuineness in my view. She was not acting, at all.

[turiya]

Rense interview with Joel Skousen gets into the Russia collusion narrative shifting to the DNC & Hillary Clinton...

Here's Rense getting Joel Skousen's take on the possibility of a military strike on N.K. in perhaps November... They get into the Vegas shooting ~ @ 23:00... "'they' are attempting to paint the Paddock family as dysfunctional"... a massive coverup going on...

Multiple shooters at several hotels - appears to be a Las Vegas city-wide operation.

(10/25/2017)
Hour 2 - Joel Skousen -
World Affairs Brief


Joel Skousen Website

More narrative spin... (MSM is now pushing this 'big-time')

Yournewswire article & NY NETTLE = fake news sites: Attempting to paint Stephen Paddock as a human / child trafficker...

Skousen also believes that the story of his brother, Bruce Douglas Paddock, being arrested for child porn is also a tainted story...

PA Members should remember a time here on PA where it was a concern for child porn being used to target certain individuals (I think Bill Ryan had such a concern at the time) when porn was in fact being planted on the computers of certain individuals...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r5eMp5RpTyw

[KiwiElf]

20/20, the "Investigative" Documentary ran a very contrived program here on TV News channels just a couple of nights ago pumping the single shooter narrative, all beautifully scripted and presented by "witnesses", some of whom appeared to me to be actors. Even the most "bogan" of these witnesses all had perfect teeth, perfect haircuts and never stammered, stumbled or missed a word. They had it all sewn up (not)! That was quick!