Structured Water - Living Water

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by avid (here)
de-bunked soon.

I won't say anything

(else)

From what I can see in this first video, Jamie Buturff's selling stuff. He's "debunking" potentially competitive stuff, and the concepts behind them, by ridiculing them for not conforming to the concepts he advocates, but doing so without any careful analysis or experimentation, at least that he presents here.

I found his video less persuasive than would have been 10 seconds of silence. I wonder how many of the 25 rules listed in this article he makes use of: Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation.

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Stephen Lower, in the article your second link, has a little more open mind toward Gerald Pollock's work, as presented in this comment, while ridiculing various other claims for structured water and devices. However in the brief bits of what I've read of his writings, his rhetorical style is for the most part similar to Jamie Buturff in the first video, and about equally unconvincing to me.

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I currently find Gerald Pollack's work quite interesting. I suspect that most structured water devices are nonsense, but that also conventional science's understanding of water is woefully inadequate. I currently go to considerable length, using various means (no expensive "water structuring" devices however), to (1) clean, (2) remineralize, and (3) re-energize the water I drink.

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One way that the minions of the elite bastards have of discrediting challenges to their world view, scientific theories, and related processes, institutions and devices, is to flood the "market of ideas and products" with dozens of brain damaged, nonsense, alternatives. Then they can "debunk" all the alternatives, the good, the bad and the ugly, by ridiculing their brain damaged straw men.

[Yetti]

Can you tell me what is a Tesla plate?
Yetti

[GMB1961]

Dear Avid,
Thank you for such lovely videos, i really enjoyed seeing them and knowing that you are caring for yourself and the planet. I have a set of Crystal Singing Bowls and have used those to charge up water as well. If it wasn't for drinking it was for charging up crystals I tasted a real difference in the water after making the crystal bowls sing. I have tried it also on Tibetan Singing Bowls but because of the metal that they are made from i thought it best not to drink a lot of it from the metal bowl but the Crystal Bowl was amazing in taste. Thanks for the videos i really enjoyed them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCkzfYmuVDA

[CurEus]

They did some labwork with some interesting results.

http://structuredwaterandair.com/the...uctured-water/



http://structuredwaterandair.com/wp-..._Test_2012.pdf

[Joe Akulis]

Tesla plates. I heard about them from some other postings here on Avalon, I think. I went out to purpleplates.com and did some checking, and decided it couldn't hurt to grab a couple of the flat square plates. I keep one in the fridge and place our water jug and milk jug on it. And I have one beside the coffee maker that I set my coffee grounds on.

Supposedly they impart some sort of resonance into anything that is set on it, something in harmony with the universe, but I'm not really able to describe the science behind it. There are some testimonials about the benefits of these kinds of plates, but I can't say after having them that I've noticed anything worthy of a testimony of my own. But then again, it's not like half my family had cancer and now we don't. If you're enjoying good health, you can't really point to one thing and say that's why. If a tesla plate is doing something to my coffee before I brew it, I'll never know. I figured, hey why not. Can't hurt.

[Ewan]

I got in touch with a company selling units promising to produce structured water for you, don't recall the price but I felt at the time it was pretty pricey.

I asked one simple question. "Wouldn't rainwater be naturally structured?"

It took about two weeks before a reply came through and there was just one word in the reply. "Yes."

So there you go, just collect your rain water and then put it through $1,000 worth of filters to clear it of ariel contaminants and you're good to go.

(Caveat: The process of filtering may just unstructure the water. )

[CurEus]

I would tend to be of the opinion that clean water flowing from a natural source would have all the "quantum elements" one could ever want/need. The notion of bleaching waste water and forcing it through pipes does not seem to be the "best" of options no matter how "scientifically valid". Most of us are aware our groundwater, rainwater, lakes and rivers are seriously polluted. in most areas. I actually filter our chlorines and fluorides...and have to pay to do that.

Be nice if this or other systems could fully restore water....

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by CurEus (here)
I actually filter our chlorines and fluorides...and have to pay to do that.

Me too.

I treat my typical municipal water in three stages:

1. remove the crud (carbon filters, plus reverse osmosis, plus distillation),
2. restore the minerals (a wide variety of minerals, in appropriate proportions), and
3. re-energize using magnets, vortices, and resting in an unglazed ceramic pitcher.

[Bob]

Posted by Yetti (here)
Can you tell me what is a Tesla plate?
Yetti

see this website - Pat Flanagan if I recall was into things like this - anodized aluminum stuff playing with colors to "create effects" - others (as listed on/in the website) got into it Tesla had nothing to do with anodized plates btw... just a buzzword the marketeers are using for the woooo factor methinks.. These things are claimed to be "Invented" by Ralph Bergstresser & manufactured in Arizona.

http://nicenfun.com/eip-original-nik...e-plate-small/

[Rolci]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by CurEus (here)
I actually filter our chlorines and fluorides...and have to pay to do that.

Me too.

I treat my typical municipal water in three stages:

1. remove the crud (carbon filters, plus reverse osmosis, plus distillation),
2. restore the minerals (a wide variety of minerals, in appropriate proportions), and
3. re-energize using magnets, vortices, and resting in an unglazed ceramic pitcher.

Hi Paul, a few questions if I may, in what way does filtering and osmosis affect the water quality that is not affected by distillation alone? I am not too concerned about minerals, but out of curiosity, what minerals and what proportion, and using what method? Finally, why unglazed?

Rolci

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:

Structured water or Alkaline ionized water is wonderful. Our family has been drinking it for about a decade. Everyone loves it and really notice tap water if they have to use it when they run out of alkaline ionized water when away from home.

You can literally taste the sweetness in tap water chlorine. We wouldn't drink any other type of water.

Water ionizers cost around 7-800 dollars but are worth every penny. They fit onto the kitchen tap. They can be installed in about 5-10 minutes.

chancy

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Rolci (here)
in what way does filtering and osmosis affect the water quality that is not affected by distillation alone?

The first stage of my filtering is a whole house filter, that removes some of the chlorine and chlorine by-products from all my water, even for my shower.

The second stage of my filtering is an under sink reverse osmosis (with a couple of carbon blocks) that removes most of the remaining bad stuff from the water I use for some tasks in the kitchen.

The third stage, the distiller, is just for my drinking water. It would remove most of what the first two stages remove, except that it doesn't remove the volatile organic compounds that the carbon blocks handle, and except that it costs more electricity and labor per gallon, which discourages its use on more water.

When I was a well paid computer geek in Silicon Valley, I ran a larger distiller with carbon blocks for all the kitchen water (but not the supply to the bathrooms) and had no need for a reverse osmosis unit.

So it's a matter of trading off the various costs and needs, against the available resources.

Posted by Rolci (here)
what minerals and what proportion, and using what method? Finally, why unglazed?

This post of mine describes in some detail how I "make" my water and what goes into it: How to "make" healthy water: filters, minerals and energy

Posted by Rolci (here)
Finally, why unglazed?

The idea of the "unglazed" ceramic pitcher was to duplicate the subterranean earth like environment in which the best spring waters "age". However I was recently starting to notice some strange scum forming from that pitcher, so I have retired it for an enamel pitcher, that's easier to clean, instead.

[Rolci]

Posted by Paul (here)
The third stage, the distiller, is just for my drinking water. It would remove most of what the first two stages remove, except that it doesn't remove the volatile organic compounds that the carbon blocks handle.

Thanks, Paul, very useful. May I assume you have replaced the polypropylene collection bottle with something else, say a glass bowl? Also I would be curious to know more about the volatile organic compounds you mentioned. I personally prefer fresh stream water, but I find that it is not ideal when I have guests and that's all I have.
Reading your detailed description in the other thread, that's a whole lot of equipment for "just" water. You sure are taking the matter seriously. May I ask how long you have kept up with the lengthy-looking process of "making your water", and what it is you believe you gain from it that you would not otherwise, things you feel/don't feel and experience/don't experience? Would you also say that the result of your preparation methods is superior to the multi-millennial way of humans consuming clean stream water (ignoring present-day pollution for the argument's sake)? Finally, what do you drink from? I see metal is not to come into contact with the solution. Would a silver cup/goblet not be recommended?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Rolci (here)
Thanks, Paul, very useful. May I assume you have replaced the polypropylene collection bottle with something else, say a glass bowl? Also I would be curious to know more about the volatile organic compounds you mentioned. I personally prefer fresh stream water, but I find that it is not ideal when I have guests and that's all I have.
Reading your detailed description in the other thread, that's a whole lot of equipment for "just" water. You sure are taking the matter seriously. May I ask how long you have kept up with the lengthy-looking process of "making your water", and what it is you believe you gain from it that you would not otherwise, things you feel/don't feel and experience/don't experience? Would you also say that the result of your preparation methods is superior to the multi-millennial way of humans consuming clean stream water (ignoring present-day pollution for the argument's sake)? Finally, what do you drink from? I see metal is not to come into contact with the solution. Would a silver cup/goblet not be recommended?

I don't have any springs near by, so have to make do with either municipal tap water, or in an emergency, ground water from nearby ponds.

I'm still "making" water this way, adjusting the details a bit over time as I go. It tastes good, and no one step in the process takes more than a couple of minutes, so it all fits into the "flow" of my habits quite easily. Having something onhand that's good and tasty to drink is a pleasure.

There's often no telling what any one thing that one does for ones health. If you do enough things right, you feel good.

My son happened to travel to visit me, just a few days after walking on Mt Shasta and drinking some fine spring water coming up from a good, clean underground spring on the side of that mountain. His impression was that my "homemade" water was not quite as good as the Mt Shasta water, but close to it and better than any other water he remembered tasting. He continues to make it a point to have a glass or two of my water, whenever he visits, sometimes takes another jar of it with him, when he leaves.

I have a heavy glass collection bottle that I collect the distilled water into, and then I use the large polypropylene bottle that came with the Megahome distiller to hold the previous batch of distilled water, ready to pour small portions from. That way I always have one batch "cooking", while I am using up the previous batch. The polypropylene bottles may not be ideal, but they are much lighter and easier to pour from. The still quite warm water coming out of the distiller goes into glass. I doubt that (or hope that) room temperature water won't extract much "bad" stuff from polypropylene.

I doubt that brief contact with metal, while drinking from a silver goblet, would matter much. You'll notice that silver is one of the minerals I include, made using a "Silver Puppy".

[Rolci]

Posted by Paul (here)
I doubt that (or hope that) room temperature water won't extract much "bad" stuff from polypropylene.

I doubt that brief contact with metal, while drinking from a silver goblet, would matter much. You'll notice that silver is one of the minerals I include, made using a "Silver Puppy".

Thanks for the reply, I have decided to go with a borosilicate glass (made up of about 15% boron trioxide) bowl as it's used in the production of laboratory containers, not only because it has the ability to go straight from a freezer to an oven rack without cracking but also it has the lowest "willingness" to react with anything. In fact, it is so resistant to chemicals, that it is even used to store nuclear waste. The boron in the glass makes it less soluble, preventing any unwanted materials from leaching into the glass, or the other way around.

Do not mistake Pyrex for borosilicate though, do your research: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kxTtnPGHSo

Obviously if it's not borosilicate it doesn't have the same resistance to leeching either.

One question, Paul, are you still using Shungite? Do you recommend it for use with Sole? I am useless when it comes to chemistry, it takes hydrogen out, does that not "cancel" some of the goodness? It just sounds improbable that it neutralises heavy metals, chlorine, fluoride, even pesticides and other volatile organics (allegedly) but leaves all good minerals in the salt alone. I'd be grateful for your (doubtlessly more informed) comment. Thanks.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Rolci (here)
I have decided to go with a borosilicate glass

That's what I use for my water pitcher that I keep in my refigerator, for my final drinking water. It's very nice glass.

Posted by Rolci (here)
One question, Paul, are you still using Shungite?

I'm still using Shungite, but I doubt I am much more informed than yourself. The stories telling of the long term use of Shungite for healing (such as this example) sounded appealing to me. But I have no way of knowing.

[EFO]

Wanted to add my own experience with structured water to this very interesting thread with interesting informations,I add two snapshots from a movie made by us of how under the influence of a one and a half royal cubit Slim Spurling's ring made by me frozen structured water looks.

From side


From bottom


The structure inside are pollutants,contained in fresh spring water from our well and the rest of the ice block is pure water or how it suppose to be in its natural original/primordial form.Gases are trapped inside at the top of the ice block.

[EFO]

Structuring of Water H2O and it's relation to Quartz SiO2

Laboratory Notes
Dr. Marcel Vogel

http://marcelvogel.org/LabNotesMarcelVogel.pdf




http://marcelvogel.org/



The above images are of the crystal water structuring unit at the Dreamhill Research Facility

[Marti]

Here is some information on structured water products from Durand Interstellar: https://durandinterstellar.square.site/

I know Jerry pretty well from another forum and trust his products. I have the Structured Colloidal Silver Gel and the small PWC-1. I haven't done any side-by-side taste tests. Guess I just trust the principle!

He also makes a large "structured" thing-a-ma-jig - see on page.

[EFO]

Posted by Marti (here)
Here is some information on structured water products from Durand Interstellar: https://durandinterstellar.square.site/

I know Jerry pretty well from another forum and trust his products. I have the Structured Colloidal Silver Gel and the small PWC-1. I haven't done any side-by-side taste tests. Guess I just trust the principle!

He also makes a large "structured" thing-a-ma-jig - see on page.

Welcome to the forum Marti and is very good that you trust the principle of structured water and I'm sure that you're already aware about Viktor Schauberger,Slim Spurling and Marcel Vogel work to name some of the main ones regarding restructuring water

Using your own structured water perhaps you already saw some changes and effects on your body.

My thoughts on Durand's products:they look interesting and that SWC hold the principle of the 45 degrees angle used in many interesting fields as well in restructuring water.

One advice for you: you can improve more the potency of your structured water if you will use an frequency generator free app or software and and let the tone of 528Hz be "heard" by your water.
528Hz is water resonant frequency.