The Qanon posts, and associated US political analysis

[KiwiElf]

Posted by JoefromtheCarolinas (here)
So Alex Jones in your Judgement is fake news?

Try reading my original post #3717 in the general context - and chronology - it was intended, Joe. "You" in this case referred to anyone reacting to & believing the fakestream media narrative before we had all the facts.

While you're there, scroll up a few posts.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...91#post1219691

As it turned out, DNA chose to answer it (referring to Alex Jones), - several hours later - and coincidentally in this case, YES; this particular rant from Alex Jones was "fake news" (unless, as A Voice from the Mountains has suggested, it was part of the bigger psyop).

You might also note I made that post half an hour before Cider posted Alex's rant and I hadn't actually seen/heard it at that point... it didn't refer to Alex Jones at the time. Period.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Paul (here)
There is a strong element in almost all of us that can be seen (heard) in our "mind chatter", that for the most part, on most matters, aligns with the views, biases, norms, ... of select people or groups around us, especially those people or groups who seem, to us, to know more about, have more insight into, or have more influence over, a particular topic, activity or behavior.

Of course, and that's completely normal and natural and I have no problem with that in itself. There are certain people and groups that I favor over others and I'm fully aware of that and recognize it as normal to the human condition. So I am self-consciously biased towards traditionalism and conservatism, for example, rooted in Jeffersonian ideas. Ideas like strong family structures, strong local and community autonomy, emphasis upon an almost Roman sense of duty, and a very limited federal government. So these are my biases, and if someone wants to challenge them then that is also completely normal and healthy.

Presently what we in the US call the "left" seems to have gained the upper hand in the majority of our schools, media (social, news and entertainment), governments and other institutions. It has become what is known as "main stream." This might be as expected, as there is a major distinction between the power of the collective and the power of the individual, and one should not be surprised that those favoring the "power of the collective" would end up dominating our organizations. These are the "left."

I would guess that the "mind chatter" of those on the "right" is just as susceptible to being misguided, just less likely to dominate large organizations, thanks to their more individual centered bias.

I would go even farther and say that the people who run the most powerful corporations and other organizations in our society aren't particularly ideological at all, but just power-seeking and their desired end will always justify their means. The Bush neo-cons were just as bad in many ways as the Obama Islamists and other elements of the far left. These people in power outside of government have always been the ones using their influence and power to push around our elected representatives and subvert our laws and ways of life.

To return to your point, those living in the "Bubble of the Left" are (from what I can tell) less likely to be aware of those living in the "Bubble of the Right", thanks to the Left's dominance of institutions that they rely on to determine what is right, true, or necessary.

That is, it's easier for someone coming from a collectivist bias to "get lost" within their bubble than for someone coming from an individual/anarchist/libertarian bias, thanks to the natural tendency of institutions to become dominated by a collectivist bias.

I can very easily see what you mean here.

To put this on a personal level, rather than the above abstract level, I find that I am more able to be comfortable with and accept the different views of my in-laws (by a former marriage) who are mostly California "left coast" liberals, than they are to be comfortable with and accept the different views of myself and my (current) mostly red-neck Texas Republican neighbors.

Don't forget to add in the decrepit state of inner city education and the stereotypes of rednecks and hillbillies in popular media and you begin to understand why New Yorkers and Californians are often shocked that Southerners have shoes and telephones. My mom used to work at a BellSouth office in Virginia and once got a call from a Californian who was shocked that we had telephones here. This says more about the absolute state of their education system than it does anything about us. Some of the most sophisticated tech installations in the world, including the CIA headquarters, are of course in Virginia, as well as the largest naval base on Earth.

Also the US military consists of 40% Southerners, compared to only 15% Yankees, for example. So there are many stories from Yankees coming out of their Yankee bubbles into a real culture shock when they join the military. I get a kick out of reading stories from these people, and how warped their conception of "flyover America" is up there in the megalopolis.

I would hesitate to point a finger at those presently living on the left side as being more susceptible due to some personal weakness to being trapped unawares within their leftward leaning bubbles than those presently living on the right side. I suspect that it's just a case of it being more obvious to those on the outside (of a more collectivist bias) than to those living on the inside that there is such a distinction. It's not a personal weakness, but rather a natural consequence of that which divides the left from the right - a greater or lessor collectivist bias, and a resultant "mainstream" bias of the dominant institutions toward the left.

I get what you mean. For me, it's not that the left is necessarily more susceptible to manipulation than the right. It depends on who is defining the terms, because we are assuming a neutral ground here, and who exactly is defining that and what would this theoretical neutral position look like? If left and right both have flaws, then they have flaws by comparison to WHAT exactly? That is the question, because it suggests an ideal society that we are not clearly expressing, and upon which we would probably all disagree when it comes to the fine details.

So who is to say, for example, that a return to Jeffersonianism wouldn't also be manipulation? A Marxist might say that a return to the principles of the founding fathers is also manipulation, and that the founders were all fascists. I've actually seen many Marxists make arguments similar to this, because it's what they're taught today at universities. So the very idea of manipulation depends upon what your ideal society looks like and whether you think people are being consciously or unconsciously moved in the direction of your ideal or not. It assumes that there is an objectively "good" form of society, that both the left and right fall short of, and that any deviation from a movement towards that ideal is what constitutes manipulation in a negative sense of the word. Perhaps what others think is manipulation, I think of as a positive development, and that is why we debate politics and have different ideas about what society should look like.

As I said above, I made a conscious decision to anchor myself to a specific position around which I can form and defend my political ideas, and at least for the time being (I can always change my mind later) that's essentially the Jeffersonian model of limited government, local autonomy, personal responsibility, etc. etc., at least as far as my politics go. That's not to say it's a perfect system or that it doesn't have limitations, because it DOES have problems, just like all political systems do, and that's where the conscious decision comes into play, that I know what I am getting into. So I've also moved away from the kind of pluralistic thinking that everyone's opinion is equally valid in all ways, that all religions are equally beneficial to humanity, etc. etc., which is a post-modern philosophy that informs many far-left systems such as critical theory.

So for example, in order to promote what I would consider to be an ideal society of limited government and maximum personal responsibility, I cannot accept a pluralistic position that an Islamic system of Shariah law is equally valid in the United States as Jeffersonianism. Of course someone could make the argument that I'm a bigot for not being inclusive to Islam, and that I'm being manipulated by bigotry, but I don't care. I've recognized that kind of argument as the pluralistic leftist cancer that I've chosen to consider it to be, simply because I don't want to live under a system like that. So I've made the conscious decision to exclude that from anything to do with the kind society that I want to promote and vote for. Who defines if that is manipulation? According to leftist post-modernism, all viewpoints are equally valid. I can't mesh with that and no one truly does because no one believes in everything equally. It goes back to us all having biases, whether we are conscious of them all or not. According to Jung we want to make as much conscious as possible, which is the process of sublimation of our unconscious.

Btw, I considered myself a liberal during the Bush era, considered libertarianism for a while, and I have a fondness for Taoism, Buddhist philosophy, Hindu philosophy, I've seriously considered various "New Age" paradigms, I'm into Jung, Christian mysticism, and I've even looked at a smattering of Aleister Crowley's work and the modern Church of Satan, which just strikes me as a rather selfish and shallow cult. But I still looked into it a bit. So when I consciously commit myself to a rather inflexible political ideology, as the extremely limiting ideal of Jeffersonianism is, it's not because I haven't surveyed the other options that are out there. I just had to "come down" somewhere and draw some lines. Bush was just as clearly in violation of it as Obama, and Trump is moving back in the right direction but still executes military strikes without the consent of Congress, for example, and has inherited many institutions which violate Jeffersonianism by their very existence. So I feel comfortable with it as a standard that I can admit I am biased towards, even if it is not perfect, and the question of whether or not I can be manipulated will be defined by how much I allow myself to deviate from my chosen standard. As long as I am moving the unconscious weaknesses of these systems into conscious awareness then I am satisfied that I can handle their potential pitfalls. It's when we leave our ideals in the unconscious that darker motivations remain hidden even from ourselves. Like Jordan Peterson, it's the people who think they are pure as snow who are most easily capable of the most evil in the world. So even though I recognize my ideal society will still have unresolved problems, I feel comfortable with that nonetheless, because I'm aware of it and I still consider it better than the competition, and I have to draw the line somewhere in today's chaos.

[DNA]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Think logically and it's easy to work out

I'm thinking logically, I'm just not limiting my sources of information to comic book Q.
Until I see some tangible concrete results from Q I'm relegating Q to mere fantasy at this point.

Ten years ago General Wesley Clark did a week of public interviews where he outlined the USA's military intentions from 2001 as he was exposed to them ten days after 9-11. The memo stated that the USA had outlined a plan to take out seven countries in five years. Starting with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off with Iran.
He only did a week of interviews and then he was silent on the subject being that he was probably told to "shut the f#ck up". I'm sure most of you have seen this short video but I place it here as a refresher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

In my opinion this has to do with the Petrol Dollar and strategic positioning for WWIII.
Not only do these countries have something to do with oil, they surround key strategic locations for a possible war with China and Russia.

There is a lot of momentum behind this agenda.
I had hoped that Trump could navigate swamp land DC and put a hold on this agenda and or even find a way to stop it.
As of now it appears that this is not the case.

Posted by Paul (here)
,,,It's easier for someone coming from a collectivist bias to "get lost" within their bubble than for someone coming from an individual/anarchist/libertarian bias, thanks to the natural tendency of institutions to become dominated by a collectivist bias.

Damn Paul! Kicking the knowledge hard on this one. That phrase is really good for possible dialogue if you have a politically entrenched friend or aquaintance who refuses to hear anything outside of their present conditioning.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm thinking logically, I'm just not limiting my sources of information to comic book Q.
Until I see some tangible concrete results from Q I'm relegating Q to mere fantasy at this point.

Some of the early drops were sync'd up with Trump's tweets with numbers indicating the number of minutes which would elapse before Trump tweeted. There were a few drops like this and also that drop of a picture from the Asia trip before Trump tweeted the same image. Various things like that have been sprinkled through all along, but nothing that would outright demolish plausible deniability either.

Ten years ago General Wesley Clark did a week of public interviews where he outlined the USA's military intentions from 2001 as he was exposed to them ten days after 9-11. The memo stated that the USA had outlined a plan to take out seven countries in five years. Starting with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off with Iran.
He only did a week of interviews and then he was silent on the subject being that he was probably told to "shut the f#ck up". I'm sure most of you have seen this short video but I place it here as a refresher.

Just from him going around admitting all this, it shows you that we've had white hats in the military trying to expose and stop these agendas even during the Bush era.

In my opinion this has to do with the Petrol Dollar and strategic positioning for WWIII.
Not only do these countries have something to do with oil, they surround key strategic locations for a possible war with China and Russia.

So for this to still hold up under Trump, you'll have to see Trump continue committing the US military to the Middle East in order to enforce the trade of oil in US dollars.

If Trump actually follows through with his campaign promise and withdraws the US military from the Middle East, then he will clearly not be interested in continuing to try to monopolize the world oil trade in US dollar denominations.

Ultimately it is inevitable that oil will be traded in other currencies because China and Russia are already moving in that direction and waging war against them to enforce the petro dollar would be rather insane.

Our prosperity domestically doesn't depend on the global oil trade though. We were much more prosperous than we are now before the Bretton Woods agreement was ever signed. It just requires a realignment of other industries and financial interests that have been sucking the wealth out of the US and redistributing our factories and tax money elsewhere in the world.

[DNA]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
Ultimately it is inevitable that oil will be traded in other currencies because China and Russia are already moving in that direction...

Absolutely, this is why the moment of truth is upon us. Does the USA and it's military concede this point and prepare for a new world where the USA does not control oil? Or does the USA impose it's military if it thinks it has a strategic advantage of some kind and attempt a full scale war?

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
...and waging war against them to enforce the petro dollar would be rather insane.

Nobody said these folks were operating from sanity. Sanity is subjective and dependent upon all the information at hand.
The elite could probably argue that the present burgeoning human population is a recipe for catastrophe the human race may never recover from if not halted. From this line of thinking it could very well be "we" who are considered insane.
This would argue that there is another agenda on the table and that would be world depopulation.
There is actually quite a bit to support that WWIII and a world wide catastrophe reducing the planet's population is in fact a desired result for those in power.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
...and waging war against them to enforce the petro dollar would be rather insane.

Nobody said these folks were operating from sanity. Sanity is subjective and dependent upon all the information at hand.

But there is obviously some order to what is going on, and you would have to ignore a lot to suggest that what is going on right now is just pure insanity to start WW3, including the fact that the missiles the other night didn't actually do any damage to Assad at all.


An anon might have just stumbled onto something important:



Barzah Research Center.

It was found as at or near one of the locations hit by one of the missile strikes, and guess what it looks like it might be?



Could it be the same building McCain was photographed in front of, with ISIS leaders?

So far unconfirmed, but if true, it's likely that the target was remaining chemical weapons caches that McCain's CIA faction was hoarding on behalf of ISIS and using for its false flag operations.



Edit: I think I've disproven this particular lead already.




No lightbulb hanging down at the Barzah Research Center. Overhanging roof is also not a match.

Nonetheless apparently that research center was supposedly in the line of fire of the missiles based upon how the anon dug up info on it, though that wouldn't necessarily mean there was a direct hit on it anyway.



Another interesting piece of information dug up by anons:

Supreme Court hears rare appeal challenging military judges

By Ariane de Vogue, CNN Supreme Court Reporter
Updated 3:46 PM ET, Tue January 16, 2018

Washington (CNN)The Supreme Court delved into unusual terrain on Tuesday when it heard arguments brought by military service members -- the first time the justices have heard such a case in 21 years.

At issue in the case -- Dalmazzi v. United States -- is an 1870 statute that prohibits active-duty service members from holding a second elected or appointed government office unless Congress expressly authorizes it. It's this law, for example, that prevents active-duty military officers from holding most Cabinet positions, or from being elected to state or local office.

In this case, the issue arises from the appointment of four military judges to also serve as judges on the Court of Military Commission Review, the special appeals court Congress created in 2006 to oversee the Guantánamo military commissions.
Eight service members were convicted by court-martial, and had their appeal heard by one of these four miliary judges while they were serving in both capacities. And under the 1870 statute, the service members argue, the appointment of these judges to this second office should have required them to forfeit their military status -- thereby disqualifying them from hearing their appeals.

During over an hour of oral arguments, the justices didn't clearly signal which way they were headed.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg worried at one point about the fate of the judges who had agreed to serve in both capacities. She wondered if they had been given "fair notice" of the potentially "draconian" consequence that they wouldn't be able to serve in the military.

"This is an important test case for a quietly important statute," said Steve Vladeck, lawyer to service members and also a CNN contributor. "The ban on dual officeholding helps to prevent against the excessive militarization of civilian governmental institutions, including, in this case, the courts."

The Trump administration argues that only one of the eight cases is properly before the Supreme Court in the first place, and that, in that case, the dual-officeholding ban isn't implicated because judges hearing appeals from military commissions exercise "a classic military function." And even if they do, the government claims that a 1983 amendment to the dual-officeholding ban insulates violations of that law from these kinds of legal challenges.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/polit...ges/index.html

The Trump admin is arguing that active military personnel should be able to also serve on certain military appeals courts as judges.

Very interesting.


An even more interesting conversation on 4chan with a guy who claims to be NYPD and posts a partial badge pic upon request, and claims to have seen some of the videos on the Weiner laptop: https://media.8ch.net/file_store/e0b...a2315335e9.png

Btw pics can be searched for using Google images and by other means to see if they're easily available already online as clip art or whatever.

Ivanka was in Jeff Epstein's little black book, and Jared is involved in all kinds of Israeli scumbaggery, owns a building at 666 5th Avenue. I have a bad feeling that Ivanka got tangled up into some nastiness.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

Posted by JoefromtheCarolinas (here)
So Alex Jones in your Judgement is fake news?

Try reading my original post #3717 in the general context - and chronology - it was intended, Joe. "You" in this case referred to anyone reacting to & believing the fakestream media narrative before we had all the facts.

While you're there, scroll up a few posts.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...91#post1219691

As it turned out, DNA chose to answer it (referring to Alex Jones), - several hours later - and coincidentally in this case, YES; this particular rant from Alex Jones was "fake news" (unless, as A Voice from the Mountains has suggested, it was part of the bigger psyop).

You might also note I made that post half an hour before Cider posted Alex's rant and I hadn't actually seen/heard it at that point... it didn't refer to Alex Jones at the time. Period.

I appreciate your direct response, thank you.

In my view a bunch of what Alex Jones does is based on mainstream media headlines.

What we really need is a “fake news identification guide for dummies”

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by JoefromtheCarolinas (here)
What we really need is a “fake news identification guide for dummies”

And who would write it and what would their authority on the subject be?

Regardless of your opinion of Alex Jones, he talks to people on a daily basis that are way over any of our heads as far as being connected to real insiders. He had Nigel Farage on the other day, he's had high-ranking military officers on his show, even Trump himself. Though I appreciate your concern I don't think anyone here has access to anywhere near the positions of power or information that people like Jones do, to be judging what is actually going on behind the scenes around them. The more you learn about anything, the more you learn it is not as it appears on the surface.

[Did You See Them]

Those two photos of research center entrance are nothing like the same.
Quiet obvious.

[Foxie Loxie]

I still maintain there are many pieces of the puzzle we are not privy to. Perhaps we were actually helping Syria by what just happened, but the charade for the public was necessary. From what I have learned here on Avalon, the one piece of the puzzle we never think about is what "the others" role is in all this!

"They" have competing factions as well....perhaps that is why we really can't get a handle on the Big Picture! It's not just about what is happening on our little globe, but also about what is happening galactically! After all I have learned on Avalon, I can't help but come to this conclusion!

[Operator]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
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( Which beggers
the question if they new these sites were there after Syria was signed off on
having any chemical stocks left, why has it took so long to take them out ? )
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Very good point and observation ... I was wondering about the same.
It opens up a whole new can of worms and speculation on intentions other than the regular pre-programmed
MSM narrative. It will lead us to a set of completely different conclusions

A faction got snookered by this mission ....

[Operator]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
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Perhaps we were actually helping Syria by what just happened
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I think you meant this in a positive way ...

But your remark triggered also another thought I had:
Whithout realizing it our discussions here might be helping some rogue factions too. Think about what webbot is doing and
what advanced AI is doing: reading human procured information and learning fast from it. We are solving puzzles here
and on other boards, strategic AI thanks us for this useful input.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Did You See Them (here)
Those two photos of research center entrance are nothing like the same.
Quiet obvious.

I noticed that as well after I did a search for a wider-angle photo and then edited my post as you see above. Still, I think the idea is worth exploring because it's entirely possible that the sites which were targeted were indeed CIA black sites. It would make sense and fit with the fact that Assad was spared any real damage, and he is supposed to have already gotten rid of his chemical weapon stashes a good while back. A lot of people might not trust that, but the reason I do goes back to the fact that Assad using chemical weapons in any capacity would just be begging for international involvement and I really don't think the guy is that stupid.


Possible new graphic video drop on dark web

I added this to the alleged John Podesta videos thread but I will leave a link to my post there here as well for anyone interested: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1220018

This has just started circulating within the past day or so. Time will tell what becomes of it and how serious it may or may not be.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9O8VPOd3Dsw

Ba-ba-Ra posted this at the end of page 183 of this thread but it deserves repeating: Trump was recruited to run for president by the US military, which was prepared to stage a coup against Obama in 2015.

This is a huge bombshell coming from Corsi, who has White House press access beyond what the corporate talking heads are receiving.


I don't mean to toot my own horn... Okay, I mean to toot my own horn a little bit here, but I have a point. This pattern of events has been clearly discernible since the end of 2015. The earliest post I could find here of me calling this was back in February of 2016, before the Republican National Convention had even taken place:

There has been a coup unfolding over the past couple of years at least between heads of the US military and the political establishment in the US. I think Trump represents a major political coup taking place. He is not an "establishment" candidate at all, and that is not just media spin. He isn't accepting money from political action committees and he's said things that no republican establishment candidate would ever say, like that Bush should have been impeached, that the Bush administration flew out the relatives of the alleged hijackers on 9/11 back to Saudi Arabia, and that we need to be neutral in the Middle East. And he's apparently on good terms with Vladimir Putin. That's a radical departure from politics as they have been in the US for many years.

The Pentagon is friendly with Russia too, though, if you look at how international events are unfolding. The US military got out of Russia's way to allow them to attack ISIS (a CIA creation) in Syria. That was also a huge sign of an internal conflict happening within the US. Also the fact that the US made a peace agreement with Iran, supported by Russia, China and our allies, except Rothschild-owned Israel which was deeply enraged. There are lots of signs of a big shake-up going on here. My thinking is that the Pentagon is backing and protecting Trump to get him into office instead of another Clinton or Bush, who are mafia types working with an international finance, energy and business cartel.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1049392


Remember that at the end of 2015, Obama was trying to start WW3 in Syria and the military was balking. There was literally open warfare between Pentagon-backed forces and CIA-backed forces in Syria, and there were even mainstream news articles about this stuff.

Keep all of this in mind, because this has been unfolding for years and is all part of an ongoing drama between a faction of patriot nationalists and a faction of child-butchering globalists. Neither side is perfect but one is so much more evil than the other that there should be no question where we all stand on this.

[KiwiElf]

"Q" on Twitter

https://twitter.com/I___A__M____Q__


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Gx6hjtMxNVQ
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Expand your thinking.
The ‘date’ vs ‘actual’.
Iran next.
Trust the plan!
April SHOWERS.
[SHOWERS].
Do you believe in coincidences?
Q

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BIG DROPS COMING
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How many layers?
How many levels deep?
How pieces to the puzzle?
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Stop getting upset about our bot periodically sharing links to the teeshirts.
Focus on the here and now.
Keep in mind whose idea it was to create the shirts...
He runs your country.
#Entrepreneurship #MAGA #Spreadtheword #Qanon #Syria
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"I believe very firmly that indigenous populations had a really good, intuitive understanding of why we're here. And we're trying to gain that same understanding through psychology and intellect in modern civilization."
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How many months ago did I say from this account that building 8 would be important?
#Qanon
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NOTE: This is the video referenced by "Q" in the top tweet:

Man Predicting The Future in 1945 100% True
5,199,738 views

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Gx6hjtMxNVQ

ApexTV
Published on Jan 14, 2018
We were recently sent this audio file, which was a portion of a British radio show from the year 1945. The announcer makes predictions for the next hundred years. He says that in 2045, we will be able to look back to see if such predictions are true. Currently being in the year 2018, we can see that many of his predictions have already come true. Some people say that the only way this man could know so much about the future, is that he or someone he knew was an actual time traveler. What do you think?

[KiwiElf]

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm just not limiting my sources of information to comic book Q.
Until I see some tangible concrete results from Q I'm relegating Q to mere fantasy at this point.

That's what you - and the others who think they "know" what's happening re "Q" by the "occasional visit" - will get by not doing your homework.

There are plenty of tangible proofs - perhaps you just haven't seen them? "Q" is not a comic book. (That kind of ad hom comment won't exactly bolster your credibility & knowledge of "Q", will it?)
If you haven't already done so, you might want to review A Voice from the Mountains' post & video above @ #3774)

None of the core team/posters on this thread are limiting our sources of information to "Q" either, and that's self-evident if you spent any time here, so please, and I'm saying this gently,... don't insult our intelligence & the incredible amount of research provided.

This isn't a thread you will even remotely begin to understand by "skipping classes", and it can very much be likened to a classroom, and an intense study.

Unless you've read EVERY relevant post, LINK & video on this thread (and elsewhere), then you have a LOT of catching up to do & respectfully, you - and they - haven't studied/researched it enough.

Skipping classes & taking short-cuts doesn't work "out there in a real classroom", and it won't work here either.


EDIT: Read carefully (for everyone)

"What needs to be understood to appreciate whats going here is the fact the Q is basically creating a circular flow diagram that can be referenced and cross-checked with news releases.
Q can’t just disclose specifics about a situation or operation without violating security protocol. Instead they drop questions and statements that lead to answers that can be understood once the subject becomes public.
This provides the validation necessary for the public to believe The Great Awakening is legit. Disinformation and misdirection with Q is real.
In other words Q is pointing over there but really the focus is here and only until you publicly get the news can you go back and understand. (Think SA drops)
All of this is accomplished without giving up specific details about the operation.
It’s quite genius."

[Cidersomerset]

This is a good segment now Alex has had time to reflect and he explains why he
was so angry with Trump and is still worried he is being hoodwinked into the
globalist agenda & more...

TRUMP: BRING DOWN ASSAD? - ALEX JONES INFOWARS

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A2cQxN_0RDo

Published on 15 Apr 2018

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TRUMP: MORE AIR-STRIKES ON SYRIA? - ALEX JONES INFOWARS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HBnZGHeN5g ( 20 min seg)
Published on 15 Apr 2018

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Trump Signals To Rebels: Commit More Chemical Attacks And I Will Blame Assad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBXfuuGMuQ4
Published on 15 Apr 2018...( 20 min seg)
Alex Jones breaks down how the actions of Donald Trump are a signal to the rebels
that they are free to continue their actions and that Assad will receive all the blame.

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Man Predicting The Future in 1945 100% True

I don't know if that vid is genuine or not ? but it reminded me of a article I saw
a couple days ago about one of the predictions....

Miami high-rise readies for flying cars probably well before 2045

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1rh4bTtduY
Published on 13 Apr 2018
Paramount Miami Worldcenter complex in downtown Miami is drawing comparisons
to The Jetsons, as it prepares to provide parking for flying vehicles. RT America’s
Trinity Chavez reports.

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Dershowitz: A lot of people want to get Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1DXKkMPgtg
Published on 15 Apr 2018..CNN.
Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz says he doesn't go on television to defend
President Donald Trump because he likes the president or wants to be his lawyer,
rather he feels the way the president is being targeted is dangerous.

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The Monumentally Insane Thesis As to the Source of the Alleged Douma Gas
Attack of Syrian 'Rebels'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6HMawHTak8w

Published on 15 Apr 2018
President Trump has vowed to carry out further airstrikes on Syria if the regime
dares to use chemical weapons again, as Nikki Haley lashed out at Russia during a
fiery meeting of the UN Security Council. Again?! We just can't get past that, can we?

[Michelle Marie]

"How many months ago did I say from this account that Building 8 would be important?"
From KiwiElf post #3775

Facebook -- Building 8 ~~~ DARPA's Regina Dugin

https://www.wired.com/2016/04/regina...-for-facebook/
March 2017. "Secretive Hardware Division"

http://www.businessinsider.com/faceb...n-april-2017-3

Drones, satellites, lasers, VR-Virtual Reality
______________________________
FB Secret Mind Reading device
Brain- computer interface
Building 8
March 2017

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a7639206.html
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Facebook Data Aggragator
March 2018
"Cloud Campuses"
https://datacenterfrontier.com/faceb...enter-traffic/
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FaceBook -- Intel Agencies (terrorists using Mind Control, Surveillance, blackmail, corporate bribery)
vs.
Restoring Government to We, The People

Building 8
Plays its part:
Globalists-Chemicals-Empires built with Intel agency (surveillance & EMF terrorism, human trafficking) and banking/war corporate schemes=Corrupted Governments
U.N. Agenda 21

History of Mind Control - Dr. Eric Karlstrom
Horrors and Crimes of Intel Agencies that have taken over the government:
CIA, MI5, FBI, and NSA (mafia)

April 6, 2018

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bv5v7HWo58A

From Freud and Tavistock in the 20s through Mengele and Project Paperclip in the 40s and the many horrors of Bluebird, Artichoke, MKULTRA, and the Monarch and Montauk projects from the 50s-70s and later. The connections of British intelligence...
British, Zionist, and Illuminati empires coinciding...banking and government control.

These Intel agencies are running domestic terrorism and surveillance crimes on the population.

Suggested solutions:
* repeal Federal Reserve Act of 1913
And ALL such wrongful acts
* Restore power to the people
* Repeal the National Security Act of 1947
* Publicly uncover the truths of the JFK assassination and the 9/11 terrorist attack

Who is in control of government? We will be, once again, if we unite and cooperate.

Getting to the core of Truth.

MM

[KiwiElf]

Big "Q" drop as tweeted above; #1147-1163; Click a few times to enlarge

https://qanon.pub/

1147 - 1160 below


1161 - 1162 Below


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Plus #1163 just now:

1163
Apr 15 2018 21:19:04 (EST) Q !xowAT4Z3VQ ID: 26650b 1058989
>>1058536
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-CH...G-2-4-3-12.pdf
Q

The above PDF is TESTIMONY RE: RUTH BADER GINSBURG
by: Susan Hirschmann, Executive Director
Eagle Forum
To the Senate Judiciary Committee
July 23, 1993

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)

Posted by JoefromtheCarolinas (here)
What we really need is a “fake news identification guide for dummies”

And who would write it and what would their authority on the subject be?

Regardless of your opinion of Alex Jones, he talks to people on a daily basis that are way over any of our heads as far as being connected to real insiders. He had Nigel Farage on the other day, he's had high-ranking military officers on his show, even Trump himself. Though I appreciate your concern I don't think anyone here has access to anywhere near the positions of power or information that people like Jones do, to be judging what is actually going on behind the scenes around them. The more you learn about anything, the more you learn it is not as it appears on the surface.

I think Donald trump would be an acceptable author of such a “dummies guide to fake news identification ”. His authority on the subject is that he is the most public figure who uses the term constantly, arguably has popularized the term, and models how to label outfits as fake news. Additionally, he has written extremely popular and successful material in the past.

Regarding your point about Alex Jones, you seem to be making the point that because of his access to people in high positions of power, it isn’t reasonable to try to evaluate what is going on behind the scenes. In other words, don’t reach a conclusion unless we have the same level of access?