The Qanon posts, and associated US political analysis

[turiya]

From Wikipedia:

Regime change is the replacement of one government regime with another. Use of the term dates to at least 1925.[1] Regime change may replace all or part of the state's most critical leadership system, administrative apparatus, or bureaucracy.

It can be the deliberate product of outside force, as in warfare. Rollback is the military strategy to impose a regime change by defeating an enemy and removing its regime by force. Regime change can occur through inside change caused by revolution, coup d'état or reconstruction following the failure of a state.

As noted in my post #6682

"British intelligence sources, working with the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), came to the conclusion that Mossadeq had communist leanings and would move Iran into the Soviet orbit if allowed to stay in power. Working with Shah, the CIA and British intelligence began to engineer a plot to overthrow Mossadeq."

As a result of the 5 Eyes intel agencies (a.k.a. Deep State) involvment in the change of government in Iran, the Deep State still has control over the government there.

In this context, Q / Trump are in support of the people of Iran to throw off their own Deep State puppets for themselves. Trump is quite adamant about having backed out of Obama's Iran Deal, and having the EU countries abide by the sanctions he has put in place. As, the Iran deal, I believe, had guaranteed the cabal that reigns over the Iranian government vasts amounts of cash. Bring the cash flow to a halt, and watch the rats scurry around to survive. We've already seen several of the EU leaders in panic attack mode as a result of the backing out of the Iran deal.

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[edina]

Dennis is not on the forum and Bill is not responding.

So, let's all get back to the discussions at hand.

When they respond then I'll respond to their questions.

No use in having a conversation with closed minds.

[Michelle Marie]

Maxine Waters ties to Communist and Socialist groups, causes, & individuals.
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2896329.html#2896541

Anon begins to construct timeline of these ties.
1882 - Waters loans her name to a pamphlet of a community front group.
1983-Communist Party workers front group, Federation for Progress
1984-Waters spoke at "Growth Pains" conference, sponsored by Democratic Socialists of America
1991-Served on welcoming committee for LA event honoring South African Communist Party
1998-see image, safe haven for Marxist Revolutionary--Cuba

1999-Initiative to change Cuba policy
2013- Saul Alinsky trained radical--urged Obama to give award

Lots to learn if we focus on these background facts.

MM

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
You're right. I do not possess the ability to mold "q" words and phrases into alternative meanings that fit my preconceived notions and loyalties, the way I am seeing done here. turiya says "q" is very very careful about every word used in every game clue. Someone might want to tell "q" that a lot of us got real confused when "q" used the phrase, "regime change", and thought it meant "regime change." Some of us also found it rather odd that "q" and (the zionist psychopath) netanyahu both want regime change in Iran. That's why I posted, but I have run into a wall of excuses here, for something that should strike all of you as extremely odd: "q" is echoing netanyahu, echoing the deep state.

From what I can tell, Q is quite careful in his choice of words, yes.

Be that as it may, however, there is little doubt that Q is sometimes ambiguous or confusing, by deliberate choice I believe.

Yes, "regime change" is a dirty word in our vocabulary, usually referring to operations by such criminal organizations as the CIA to destroy legitimate governments and replace them with either chaos or puppet governments controlled by CIA interests.

In this particular case, regarding Iran, my take is that "regime change" refers not to instilling CIA friendly chaos or tyranny, but rather removing such and allowing Iran to restore a legitimate government actually working for the interests of Iran and its people.

However as a tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory nutcase with years of practice, I have to allow Dennis that it's possible that this (the restoration of a legitimate Iranian government) might not be what Q intends, and/or might not be what the future holds for Iran.

I predict that the confusion and uncertainty will persist.

[KiwiElf]

Posted by waves (here)
Compelling argument for who Q is/has been. If true, I'm not sure what to think about the dichotomy if really not a Trump or military insider - the enormous positives in terms of awareness raising and getting people to talk and connect dots... in the same place as what would then be very repetitive false hope and cult cultivating aspects.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LZv0_ZT50Oc

Current top comment under this video:

"I used to think Qanon was a LARP until I started actually following Qanon and verifying all of the "Q proofs" for myself. It's statistically impossible for Qanon to be a LARP and those insisting it is without actually following Q is doing a disservice to other truthers. The fact that the liberal fakestream propaganda media has invested so much time and resources into trying to deter people from following Qanon, just makes me believe in its legitimacy even more. Don't just take anyone's word for it, check it out for yourself!"

[Michelle Marie]

Former AR Senator, Jon Woods, sentenced to 18 years in Federal prison.

https://www.fox16.com/crime/former-a...son/1157898012

Must pay back $1.6 Million in restitution.



Corruption-related charges in a fraud case...he got kickbacks after getting Ecclesia College grants.
This happened back in March 2017. 15 counts.

The trial date kept getting moved.
FBI agent wiped his undercover computer clean, destroying the evidence 3 times.
He got removed from the case and is under investigation himself.
Robert Cessario.

Jon Woods is a musician in the band 'A Good Fight'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Woods

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Rod Rosenstein is currently under investigation for FISA warrant.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0nDMfCEyNEo

Now he can't do FISAs any longer.


MM

[edina]

In case other readers were interested...

It's important to understand that the people who read the Q Posts, do not read the Q posts in isolation.

We read them in relation to each other, and current events. And in consideration of the body of research that we have been accumulating since last Oct.

Because there is so much opposition to getting the truth out to the people, and there are "bot" sniffers and other tech means to thwart the effort of transparency, the body of the Q posts have been built in stages, layers, and incrementally. And especially in the beginning they were written in a way so as to not flag the sniffers. When the momentum of people actively engaging with the Q posts and doing personal research hit a specific critical mass, then Q became less cryptic, but still posts with an understanding that the opposition also reads their posts.

The hit pieces on QAnon cherry pick posts in isolation, and also conflate. It's a common tactic by propagandists. Most Q researchers are aware of this and frankly, don't pay any attention to the hit pieces.

Now, let's consider the context of the current events in Iran. The fact is that there has been a growing "people's revolution" in Iran for years now.

I've been following a Facebook page for MyStealthyFreedom to support the women in Iran. If you visit that page you will get a taste of how much the people of Iran are frustrated with the current regime.

A regime put in place by the corrupt bad actors that we all agree are wreaking havoc in that country and many other countries, including our own.

That is the "regime change" that is being discussed in this post.


In another post, the Q team mentions the Iran Freedom Fighters using the #QAnon hashtag on twitter.



When I read that post I went to Twitter and did a search with that hashtag. This was back in June. I read the posts of a half dozen or so Iranians. All with #QAnon. It was an informative read.

(Notice that the top post is written on 19 June, and the second post is written before that on 13 June. So the people actively engaged in researching the Q posts have the context of the earlier one, and many others, when considering the meaning of the one that Dennis emotionally triggered on.)

(Also note: The 13 June post is also a proof post, Castle Arrival Good. )

In another post, Q talks of how Mossad tried to take out Q, (and whatever ops they are working on) that didn't work.



The criminal element of the Deep State is embedded in many organizations in many countries. It is this criminal element that the Q team is focused on opposing. I wrote about this in another place yesterday. Q's post describing the 16 Year Plan. A plan the Q team is actively opposing.



And here is a response to an Anon asking about Israel.



For anyone who wants to dive deeper on this topic here are the related links I shared earlier.

https://qanon.app/?q=mossad

https://qanon.app/?q=israel

https://qanon.app/?q=regime

https://qanon.app/?q=iran

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Oddball (here)

I'm not so sure Corsi is anti Q. Corsi was working with Alex Jones as his Washinton man on the ground. When Alex decided Q was having a go at him and declared Q to be a distraction, I think Alex insisted that Corsi drop all the Q talk, or else.

I have always considered AJ to be controlled opposition. Just enough truth to pull people in but not enough to ever really disclose anything.

I really thought it was quite telling that AJ never even mentioned Q until February of this year. A good four months after Q had started posting. As for Corsi, I tried to watch some of his decodes but I did not like the way he interpreted Q. They were both very quick to say that Q had been compromised, case closed back in April. Then AJ started pushing his own anonymous "source of info on the Deep state" with that Zack fella.

Corsi tried, but in the end, I think the relationship between Corsi and Alex was what broke.

I think you're right, although I think there are several other people with much better Q decodes than Corsi.

I think you could be right, too Oddball.
This is the first time I've seen "Q" directly call out AJ & "Associates" - (at least, I'm guessing at this point that AJ = Alex Jones, & more interesting, MOS = MOSSAD) or MOS as in Communications?

Extract from earlier "Q" post #2078 (or 2088 depending which board)
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2078

Ask yourself a (simple) logical question…
Why are the majority of 'Q' attacks by "PRO_MAGA" supporters coming from AJ [MOS backed] and/or AJ known associates?
Why are we a threat to them?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by edina (here)
No use in having a conversation with closed minds.

I sometimes find it to be a useful exercise to converse with others who seem to disagree with my present views, really disagree, even more than it seems they realize.

For those others are (usually, and in particular in this case as well, in my current opinion) intelligent people of honorable intention. They are my friends, family, neighbors and even myself, in prior and perhaps future times.

The layered, entangled, confusions and apparent contradictions that we strive to better understand are far more than enough to overwhelm the stoutest minds amongst us.

Listen, and when you happen on some particular point where it seems that there is potentially enough commonality of views and terms that it seems possible to mutually share awareness of something common, something differing, in what each sees, perhaps then speak, endeavoring to open up a brief moment of shared understanding, and of shared awareness of differences.

If all one sees in the moment is a closed mind in another, then yes indeed it is reasonable not to pursue conversation on that topic, in that moment. But, but, keep in mind that perhaps the reason that one does not see an opening in the mind of another is a limitation of one's own vision, not an impenetrable enclosure surrounding the mind fo the other. Blaming the other for the lack of an apparent opening may, or may not, be accurate, but in any case, will more than likely be a somewhat self fulfilling prophecy, as blame tends to push the other into a more closed, defensive, posture.

Otherwise, and in any case, pursue, by one's own effort, and by shared efforts with others of more common mind, the research, seeking and pursuits that inspire you.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)
Former AR Senator, Jon Woods, sentenced to 18 years in Federal prison.

"AR" stands for the state of Arkansas.

Bill Clinton, prior to becoming the President of the US, was five times elected to be the governor of Arkansas, a detail which may or may not have anything to do with Jon Woods activities.

[edina]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by edina (here)
No use in having a conversation with closed minds.

I sometimes find it to be a useful exercise to converse with others who seem to disagree with my present views, really disagree, even more than it seems they realize.

For those others are (usually, and in particular in this case as well, in my current opinion) intelligent people of honorable intention. They are my friends, family, neighbors and even myself, in prior and perhaps future times.

The layered, entangled, confusions and apparent contradictions that we strive to better understand are far more than enough to overwhelm the stoutest minds amongst us.

Listen, and when you happen on some particular point where it seems that there is potentially enough commonality of views and terms that it seems possible to mutually share awareness of something common, something differing, in what each sees, perhaps then speak, endeavoring to open up a brief moment of shared understanding, and of shared awareness of differences.

If all one sees in the moment is a closed mind in another, then yes indeed it is reasonable not to pursue conversation on that topic, in that moment. But, but, keep in mind that perhaps the reason that one does not see an opening in the mind of another is a limitation of one's own vision, not an impenetrable enclosure surrounding the mind fo the other. Blaming the other for the lack of an apparent opening may, or may not, be accurate, but in any case, will more than likely be a somewhat self fulfilling prophecy, as blame tends to push the other into a more closed, defensive, posture.

Otherwise, and in any case, pursue, by one's own effort, and by shared efforts with others of more common mind, the research, seeking and pursuits that inspire you.

Thanks Paul, I know you mean well.

Disagreement is one thing. A closed mind is entirely different.

My experience is that closed minds only close tighter if you try to have conversations with them on a topic in which they've already made up their mind.

I think it is important to respect another person's decision to be unwilling to listen to a point of view different than their own.

Otherwise, they will feel like you're trying to shove your ideas down their throat, or as in Dennis' case, he feels we're all making excuses. :shrug:

[onawah]

Edina, none of my comments were directed at you. What bothers me is when people are persuaded that everything is OK and some person in power is going to take care of everything, we just have to have faith, etc. etc. etc. It rings no more true now than it did when New Age gurus were telling us ET was going to come in ships and take us all away to a better place. The near fanaticism that Q has stirred up is disturbing to me and to a lot of other people who have put their faith in things that looked really good on the surface, but eventually turned out to be something very different. I'm not going to get into arguments again on this thread, but when someone else like Dennis voices their unease with putting so many eggs into one basket, I have to support them. I hope that Trump truly does turn out to have been the great leader that we needed now, but my gut is still not giving me the go ahead.

Posted by edina (here)

First, where do you get the idea that I'm pretending all is well?

Second, House GOP mentioned in your comment are the ones essentially owned by K-Street and are a part of the Deep State bad actors that need cleaning up.

Third, fight the municipal fights at the municipal level. Your local level. This is something you're very passionate about onawah. Trust your passion and fight the fights you feel called to fight in your heart. Everyone has to chose where to place their focus based on what is resonating with them. Because, we can't do everything at once. I've always believed that if everyone follows their heart, and takes action based on that then all the various bases will be covered.

Each of us do this in our own ways.

It's inaccurate to assume that because I am focused on the Q thread here in Avalon that I don't know about or take action on anything else.

You asked about Trump. I shared what I thought. You disagree with me. Okay.
Done.

No need to quibble.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by edina (here)
I've been following a Facebook page for MyStealthyFreedom to support the women in Iran. If you visit that page you will get a taste of how much the people of Iran are frustrated with the current regime.

A regime put in place by the corrupt bad actors that we all agree are wreaking havoc in that country and many other countries, including our own.

That is the "regime change" that is being discussed in this post.

This is an important observation in my view. It is key testimony, for me at least, that helps shape my current view of what's really happening in Iran.

Thank-you.

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Your above words led to me writing the following.

However I address the following not to you or anyone in particular, but rather to whomever (if anyone) might have felt like complaining, in frustration, that Q dissidents simply haven't done their homework well enough yet, and haven't sufficiently studied Q's posts and the various decoding efforts of Q by others.

Please excuse me when I write "you" below, for I know not who the "you" is to whom I am writing .

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The influence that edina reports, above, of readings on another forum discussing Iran, on her understanding of Q's comments on Iran, is consistent with my impression that it is not always helpful to complain that others who disagree with us about the importance of Q haven't read enough of Q's posts.

What helped edina, in this case, if I read her testimony correctly, was that, using varied sources, of her choosing, she formed a "mental view" (gestalt) regarding what was going on in Iran and with it's current government. Then when she combined her view of Iranian affairs with other views she had formed of Q's posts (formed again I suspect from various sources, including Q's own words, and the decoding efforts of various autists and researchers), Q's posts on Iran took on a particular meaning that "made sense" to her.

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We see the world, we manipulate our mental understanding of our world, using various terms, theories, philosophies, views, intuitions, etc. It matters far less how we came by the particular set of such views that we hold in the moment. The greatest heretic might have practically memorized the Bible, chapter and verse, and the greatest saint might not have read a word of it. Rather it matters what are those views.

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Use terms, theories, philosophies, views, ... as one uses the tools one's trade. Fix them when they are broken, take care of them, replace them or get entirely new and different ones when the tools that one has on hand are inadequate to the task at hand. They are some of the tools by which human thinking and discussion are shaped.

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When one finds one's self frustrated that someone else has apparently not adequately read and understood all the key subject material, such as Q's posts in this case, then keep in mind that what's more likely the problem, for those endeavoring to actively participate in the discussion (as opposed say to students taking a required class of little real interest to them at the moment), is that the other person has a sufficiently different gestalt, different view of the topic at hand, that they are not looking at the matter as you are, that the words, terms, ideas, they are using don't work well with the thoughts you are thinking. The screwdriver in your hand has become the pry bar in their hand. Telling them, with evident frustration, to read the entire screwdriver instruction manual probably won't help the discussion.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by edina (here)
My experience is that closed minds only close tighter if you try to have conversations with them on a topic in which they've already made up their mind.

I entirely agree that telling, or even just apparently thinking, that the other person has a closed mind will usually only close it tighter.

I also entirely agree that, in cases such as that, regardless of how some other well meaning person might look at the situation, it is best to focus one's efforts in more promising directions.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
... but when someone else like Dennis voices their unease with putting so many eggs into one basket, I have to support them.

Good

Posted by onawah (here)
I hope that Trump truly does turn out to have been the great leader that we needed now, but my gut is still not giving me the go ahead.

My gut tells me the same thing, at one level, even as I am rather "enjoying the show", and even as I am cheering on the pregnant possibilities of cleaning up some of the swamp.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)
Rod Rosenstein is currently under investigation for FISA warrant.

Wow !!

This news is also reported on:

• U.S. Attorney Joe diGenova: Rod Rosenstein Under Investigation for Fake FISA Warrants (True Pundit)
• BOOM! Joe diGenova: Rod Rosenstein Has a Big Problem – He Is Under Investigation for Things Involving FISA Warrants (TheGatewayPundit)
• Joe diGenova, Gregg Jarrett and Sara Carter Discuss the FISA Application, Rod Rosenstein and Bruce Ohr… (TheConservativeTreehouse)
• Rosenstein Under DOJ IG Investigation (The Still Report)

[edina]

Posted by onawah (here)
Edina, none of my comments were directed at you. What bothers me is when people are persuaded that everything is OK and some person in power is going to take care of everything, we just have to have faith, etc. etc. etc. It rings no more true now than it did when New Age gurus were telling us ET was going to come in ships and take us all away to a better place. The near fanaticism that Q has stirred up is disturbing to me and to a lot of other people who have put their faith in things that looked really good on the surface, but eventually turned out to be something very different. I'm not going to get into arguments again on this thread, but when someone else like Dennis voices their unease with putting so many eggs into one basket, I have to support them. I hope that Trump truly does turn out to have been the great leader that we needed now, but my gut is still not giving me the go ahead.

Posted by edina (here)

First, where do you get the idea that I'm pretending all is well?

Second, House GOP mentioned in your comment are the ones essentially owned by K-Street and are a part of the Deep State bad actors that need cleaning up.

Third, fight the municipal fights at the municipal level. Your local level. This is something you're very passionate about onawah. Trust your passion and fight the fights you feel called to fight in your heart. Everyone has to chose where to place their focus based on what is resonating with them. Because, we can't do everything at once. I've always believed that if everyone follows their heart, and takes action based on that then all the various bases will be covered.

Each of us do this in our own ways.

It's inaccurate to assume that because I am focused on the Q thread here in Avalon that I don't know about or take action on anything else.

You asked about Trump. I shared what I thought. You disagree with me. Okay.
Done.

No need to quibble.

My comments here are in response to what you wrote and it looked to me as if you directing your comments to me. Which if you look at the image, I think you can understand why I thought this was the case.



Also, my response was meant as an encouragement to you. It seems to me that you have a lot of angst about QAnon, and to be honest. I don't think anyone expects you to be fully in agreement with it. I know I don't. I'm not certain any one of the people active in this thread is either. We all have a healthy skepticism.

We've actually had this conversation before, if I remember correctly.

Now to address what you wrote above:

What bothers me is when people are persuaded that everything is OK and some person in power is going to take care of everything, we just have to have faith, etc. etc. etc.

I think this is a huge misunderstanding of what is going on with the QAnon movement. In fact, the reality is the exact opposite. It's far more about personal responsibility. Doing your own thinking. Doing your own research. Taking positive action. Standing together.

If you read and listen to the millions of people engaged in the Q research, you'll discover that we understand we have a fight ahead of us. The commitment is to be empowered and proactive.

I'm not going to get into arguments again on this thread, but when someone else like Dennis voices their unease with putting so many eggs into one basket, I have to support them.

Thank you, I don't like arguments either. I think they are utterly unproductive. Which is why I don't like "debate" form of conversations. I'm more a coming to a mutual understanding sort of person.

That said, I respectfully disagree with you that Dennis was voicing unease with putting so many eggs in one basket. He was far more derogatory in his tone and comments. Still, I'm cool with you supporting him.

I do want to point out, it is an inaccurate assumption that the people actively engaged in this thread and with the Q research are putting all their eggs in one basket. In my experience, that statement is not true.

A lot of the concerns you continually bring up seems to come from inaccurate assumptions of others.

Again, my comments were meant to reassure and encourage you. How did you take them?

[edina]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by edina (here)
My experience is that closed minds only close tighter if you try to have conversations with them on a topic in which they've already made up their mind.

I entirely agree that telling, or even just apparently thinking, that the other person has a closed mind will usually only close it tighter.

I also entirely agree that, in cases such as that, regardless of how some other well meaning person might look at the situation, it is best to focus one's efforts in more promising directions.

Which is why I focused on transcribing the bit in the Lindsey Graham and Brett Kavanaugh hearing today that I thought was important. And added the live links on the cases and the two distinct bodies of law.

And then later, explained further regarding the various iran/israel, ect... posts.

Essentially, I moved on. Which is quite positive in my mind.

Good luck with talking to closed minds. It's your perogative.

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)
Rod Rosenstein is currently under investigation for FISA warrant.

Wow !!

This same Joe DiGenova report is also posted on True Pundit:

U.S. Attorney Joe diGenova: Rod Rosenstein Under Investigation for Fake FISA Warrants (VIDEO)

"It was obvious that a fraud was committed on the court...we can no longer trust the department under Rosenstein."

--Joe

Soon...increased transparency through unclassified and newly released documents.

MM

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by edina (here)
It's your perogative.

Yes - exactly .