QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by norman (here)
Make up your mind what you are arguing about Dennis, I can't engage with something as slippery as your high horsepower keyboard circuit racer trickery.


You are brilliant at lapping in front of a crowd, but you are not listening to anyone you don't understand and you're not sticking to anything politically realistic and doable.


Do you want to go anywhere with your left right unfairness issue from a post ago, or do we have to jump over another hurdle this time to keep you on the front foot and everyone else on the back foot.


This isn't debate, is intellectual delinquency.

I've got no idea what you are trying to pin on me, and hope you are not deliberately being disingenuous.

I said both factions of the duopoly are the problem, draining half is no solution.

You said you addressed that, and linked to yourself saying, Trump can't cut his own base. (half of the duopoly) And, you said, maybe after the republican half of the duopoly drains the democrat half, ... "Ideally, there needs to be someone honest and on the same page as Trump, who rises up on the left and takes the Democratic ticket when Trump's 8 years are up. THEN, the Republican political base can be blown up safely."

Sorry, that's kinda "Wile E Coyote" simplistic, isn't it? That's your idea of, "politically realistic and doable"?

Let's go back through this and you tell me where the trickery is:
I think this line, "Make up your mind what you are arguing about Dennis, I can't engage with something as slippery as your high horsepower keyboard circuit racer trickery." just tells me you don't know who the enemy is, or don't want to face it. If what I am saying can easily be dismissed, you'd just dismiss it. But, irritatingly, you can't dismiss it. You know what I'm saying about the political theater being a facade concealing the shadow government is correct.


1.) The "duopoly" is a mobster cabal, the front organization for the people that actually run the USA, INC. from behind the curtain (some call the "deep state" or "shadow government.") [Maybe instead of "deep state", I should have used the word, "Untouchables", as in the 1960's TV portrayal. These are the bad guys, norman. This is the swamp. They are psychopathic and genocidal and have insatiable greed. They are simultaneously playing the board games 'Monopoly' and 'Risk", using planet Earth for their games - and they are winning (or should I point out that the rest of us that are not their allies or henchmen are losing.) Trump won't touch one of them, not one, not ever. He is tied to them and subservient to them.]


2.) The people that actually run the USA, INC. (and much of the world) are not "democrats" and "republicans", regardless if their wikipedia page says so - they are a cabal of greed-based, insatiably-power-hungry mobsters.


3.) The two clubs (d and r) within the visible cabal (duopoly) use whichever handle is most conducive to them getting into power and remaining in power. [These are the bad guy's public lackeys. They were hired to protect the interests of the bad guys they serve. They are bad guys too, but they don't really run the big show - they protect and defend the ones that do. They pretend - quite poorly - to represent citizens. They squabble a bit on issues the Untouchables don't care about, heightening the illusion of two distinct political ideologies. You know the names of these creeps, these monsters. They are guardians of and mouthpieces for the real, untouchable, swamp creatures. Trump might just spank a handful of them, and someone will shoot off fireworks and celebrate "the draining of the swamp" because they too don't even know what the swamp is or what the problems are.]



4.) And, dear god and Orwell, please stop calling the democrats "left", unless you mean "left hand of the duopoly." There is nothing ideologically "leftist" about democrats.

[You're not the only one, I'm just flagging another incorrect use of the word "left", with your attempt to portray the democrat part of the duopoly as "the left." The democrats used to talk centrist but have morphed into talking right - with a head fake - but they actually are "right" in policy; republicans talk "right, to far right" and are actually "right, to far right" in policy.

THE LEFT is not represented in the duopoly. There are a lot of subgroups of people and ideologies that are also not represented in the duopoly, it's not just the "left" that is left out.

When you are talking about the democrats, name them. Don't substitute the word "left" or any other word that feeds the illusion that they are "the left." You'll know when someone or some group is actually "the left" when they are adamantly pro-peace, anti-war, anti-war economy, anti-security state, anti-police state, anti-corporatist, anti-bankster, and pro-ecology/anti-ecocidal. Do you see why someone who is a member of "the left" doesn't want to pretend that the democrat half of the duopoly is any of those things?

I'm not trying to be tricky - I'm talking in plain English. I have interjected thoughts in this meandering thread as it has meandered. If you want to stay on topic, we could talk about "q" saying the magic phrase "regime change" for Iran, seamlessly melding with the agenda of netanyahu, zionist israel, donald trump, AND the deep state/shadow government. But the last time I brought that up, the subject got changed.

[onawah]

Nothing needs to be added to that, Dennis, but perhaps it could be summed up with a quotation widely attributed to Albert Einstein, who certainly witnessed a lot of insanity in his time: " “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by norman (here)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1246019


Actually, after I posted that, another Avalon member sent me a suggestion who could pop up on the left:



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[ Mod-edit: Spoiler alert: Thanks to Google image search, I realize that the above is Tulsi Gabbard, representative to the US Congress from Hawaii, and member of Democratic party. - Paul. ]

Tulsi Gabbard was on the Joe Rogan Show a week ago. Rather than add 9+ videos, I’ll leave the link to them. (they go on beyond the first page)

[Jayke]

Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
On the subject of who/what is Q, I recently saw a series of remote viewings by Edward Riordan on this subject. Having searched his name, he only appears in one post on Avalon from 2014. The links are below. Basically, Riordan has no idea who Q is and doesn't follow his postings, he's just doing the remote viewing. His viewings show a lot of strangeness, a very clean and high tech area, a group of people who sometimes disagree with each other, some sort of biological robot, an overarching agenda for a new world/awakening in the 2020s - not benevolent, more like a breakaway civilisation. Very powerful technology. Not sure what to make of this but it is interesting. Riordan is just reporting and trying to make sense of his results. He seems to be technically good at RV so there may be something there. His channel is at https://www.youtube.com/user/erviewer

The Q related posts start at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN4SmKNwA44
and go through to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8N3L4xwawE

Great find Cognitive Dissident. One of my more speculative suspicions about why the name ‘Q’ was chosen, is because, if it is a form of AI running the operation, it might be a more advanced version of the Q-32 computer used by ARPA in the 1960’s.

• http://ai.stanford.edu/~nilsson/Onli...g05-01-004.pdf

While awaiting funding for our robot work, we arranged telephone access to the Q-32 computer at the System De- velopment Corporation in Santa Monica. Bert supervised my initial attempts at LISP programming on this computer, and together we developed a rather elaborate robot simula- tion program called REX One of Tom Cover’s doctoral can- didates at Stanford, Cordell Green, became interested in Bert’s thesis work on semantic information retrieval; Cor- dell came to SRI one summer to work under Bert. Cordell had read about John Alan Robinson’s “resolution principle” for automatic theorem proving and decided to apply it’ in a question-answering system [QAl] for the Q-32.

There is a societal reset—or mass awakening and transformation—due in the decade between 2020-2030 according to astrologers who track ‘The Music of the Spheres’.

https://www.lunarplanner.com/2020/index.html

A sufficiently advanced AI would be able to sync up with the natural beats and rhythms of the cosmos at that time to guide the process to whatever end they have envisioned. A scary prospect if it’s not the good guys running the show behind the scenes.

[Ratszinger]

Something disconcerting about a herd of animals being rounded up into one place and all following along blindly don't you think? Voat is growing in leaps and bounds now at the direction of one word by Q and off the herd goes. Is this place going to be run like GA on Reddit because if so it means the first sign of question or concern or suspicion out you go!? If so it's really not open discussion but closed thought only for believers. Also it seems most are blind to the fact that we use 'the man's' system even here at PA to communicate because he lets us communicate using it! Its their internet and they can apparently shut it off or on at will. If they wanted to shut this Q thing down they could do it so the powers must want it to remain for some reason. I tell myself this daily to really not forget all this is just a rich man's trick so with that little voice I remind myself don't get sucked in by this ploy cause that is for the suckers, sucked right in like a herd of cows at the processing plant!

[Joe from the Carolinas]

I wanted to share my thoughts regarding the history of Q’s evolution in terms of talking about ufos, inspired by a discrepancy identified by dark journalist. I start at the first two posts and expand to a meta-view. I also reference CG and DW, Jimmy, and Sather in relation to their Klingon-like behavior in reference to Q. I figured this thread would be the best location to share:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=at_dfTpaRpY

For reference our closest star is approximately 92 million miles / 149 million km away ( this comes up as Q seems to connect it with whether ufos are a diversion. If Qs goal is to drain the swamp, I think ufos would be a major diversion.

I spoke with Kyle Kemper, esq. and FOIA officer at DOE the day I filmed this video.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Posted by Jayke (here)

Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
On the subject of who/what is Q, I recently saw a series of remote viewings by Edward Riordan on this subject. Having searched his name, he only appears in one post on Avalon from 2014. The links are below. Basically, Riordan has no idea who Q is and doesn't follow his postings, he's just doing the remote viewing. His viewings show a lot of strangeness, a very clean and high tech area, a group of people who sometimes disagree with each other, some sort of biological robot, an overarching agenda for a new world/awakening in the 2020s - not benevolent, more like a breakaway civilisation. Very powerful technology. Not sure what to make of this but it is interesting. Riordan is just reporting and trying to make sense of his results. He seems to be technically good at RV so there may be something there. His channel is at https://www.youtube.com/user/erviewer

The Q related posts start at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN4SmKNwA44
and go through to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8N3L4xwawE

Great find Cognitive Dissident. One of my more speculative suspicions about why the name ‘Q’ was chosen, is because, if it is a form of AI running the operation, it might be a more advanced version of the Q-32 computer used by ARPA in the 1960’s.

• http://ai.stanford.edu/~nilsson/Onli...g05-01-004.pdf

While awaiting funding for our robot work, we arranged telephone access to the Q-32 computer at the System De- velopment Corporation in Santa Monica. Bert supervised my initial attempts at LISP programming on this computer, and together we developed a rather elaborate robot simula- tion program called REX One of Tom Cover’s doctoral can- didates at Stanford, Cordell Green, became interested in Bert’s thesis work on semantic information retrieval; Cor- dell came to SRI one summer to work under Bert. Cordell had read about John Alan Robinson’s “resolution principle” for automatic theorem proving and decided to apply it’ in a question-answering system [QAl] for the Q-32.

There is a societal reset—or mass awakening and transformation—due in the decade between 2020-2030 according to astrologers who track ‘The Music of the Spheres’.

https://www.lunarplanner.com/2020/index.html

A sufficiently advanced AI would be able to sync up with the natural beats and rhythms of the cosmos at that time to guide the process to whatever end they have envisioned. A scary prospect if it’s not the good guys running the show behind the scenes.

Thanks Jayke. About the timing, not sure if you are watching the Dark Journalist X series (well worth watching, very interesting), he keeps repeating that Steiner said that there would be another opportunity for global awakening 100 years after the last failure (he saw World War I as a humanity failure) - in other words from 2018 and he gives this as lasting to 2038.

On the astrology it's all related, probably worth a separate thread, will check out this link, thanks.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Joe from the Carolinas (here)
I wanted to share my thoughts regarding the history of Q’s evolution in terms of talking about ufos, inspired by a discrepancy identified by dark journalist. I start at the first two posts and expand to a meta-view. I also reference CG and DW, Jimmy, and Sather in relation to their Klingon-like behavior in reference to Q. I figured this thread would be the best location to share:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=at_dfTpaRpY

For reference our closest star is approximately 92 million miles / 149 million km away ( this comes up as Q seems to connect it with whether ufos are a diversion. If Qs goal is to drain the swamp, I think ufos would be a major diversion.

I spoke with Kyle Kemper, esq. and FOIA officer at DOE the day I filmed this video.

Joe from the Carolinas: Now I'm not sure if Jordan Sather was associated with GaiaTV or not but I sure as heck saw him speaking on a lot of their events that all these people speak together. So what's the next step for these people?

You’ll find on Jordan’s site the graphics and links to the Gaia site. And as part of their timely marketing ploy, both Corey’s kids, plugged secret space program and QANON in several of the vid titles. It was the same day Corey promoted their series/movie of the same name (and web address) on the Jimmy Church Show. Jordan along with others are involved in the webcasts and movie. On that second website, there’s also a Gaia graphic link.

From the website:

“…features some the most prominent and prolific authors, researchers, whistle-blowers and disseminators in the movement for Truth and Full Disclosure. This includes but is not limited to Corey Goode, Emery Smith, William Tompkins, David Adair, Laura Eisenhower, Niara Isley, Clifford Mahooty and many more.”

Note: I intentionally left off all links to their material.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
On the subject of who/what is Q, I recently saw a series of remote viewings by Edward Riordan on this subject.

Here's links to all 7 of the videos in this series. These videos were all posted between Sept 15 and 20 of this year, 2018 (just in the last week). They are videos of Remote Viewing (RV) sessions that he conducted between July 15-25 2018.

1. Remote Viewing: I'm Posting The Q anon Sessions. The Hands Behind the Hand?
2. Remote Viewing: The Q anon Sessions 3 and 4, Clandestine Meetings?
3. Remote Viewing: The Qanon Sessions #5 Pt. 1, The Phantom
4. Remote Viewing: Q Anon Session 5 Pt 2. The Flash
5. Remote Viewing: The Q anon Session 6. The Event Horizon
6. Remote Viewing: The Q Anon Session 7 Pt. 1 Machine Learning
7. Remote Viewing: The Q anon Sessions, 7 Pt 2. The Fringe

I don't usually have much interest in RV results, but I am finding Riordan's opening comments interesting. He's finding Q to be something way bigger than just some political back and forth involving President Trump ... way bigger, something involving high tech, secret facilities and experiments, global, hidden Elites in what is perhaps a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF), nano-biology, massive world changing event or broadcast, world wide controlling people's emotions, directed energy, teleportation, world wide control grid (satellite, 5G, ?), incredible new technology, some living forever, and other more exotic stuff.

UPDATES:

1. For those with time constraints, Edward Riordan’s format is he summarizes the session in the first 9-10 minutes and then shows his process in real time.
2. I’ve watched about half of them and couldn’t help wonder if Omni could related to some of this material.
3. In session 7, he explains that the session got strange. And something that never happened before was his camera suddenly stopped working (unbeknownst to him) in a key section. It wasn't the battery. The camera was plugged in.

The last of the series:

I have the final session of the Q project here. This was July 29th, @ 9:15 am. We had decided the movements would be to look at the satellite and machine learning. Explore those things. This was the final session. It gets pretty crazy. It’s probably the craziest one. After this I was done. I couldn’t take anymore.

Remote Viewing Qanon: Final Session! Artificial Intelligence

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y3kVr2GdTN8

Edward Riordan YouTube
Published on Sep 22, 2018

[norman]

Those remote viewing videos may be worth a thread of their own.


I'd feel a bit better and more sure about it if I knew who the remote viewer was. I wish it was Dick Allgire.

[Dane]

This person is not in structure - I would not trust the data.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by norman (here)
Those remote viewing videos may be worth a thread of their own.


I'd feel a bit better and more sure about it if I knew who the remote viewer was. I wish it was Dick Allgire.

Edward Riordan isn’t claiming that his sessions are correct but wants to put them out there (rather than on his Patreon account). I’ve listened to the first two and jumped to the last one. What intrigued me was this comment from his first video:

@ 4:38 - I'm just gonna put them all up. One of them I was getting into some super high tech stuff and when I was getting into some into the depth of it, when I went back and loaded the the film, the part that was really in-depth, that part of the video was gone. Don't know why. Very strange. I have the paper session we’ll look at the PDF.

Remote Viewing: I'm Posting The Q anon Sessions. The Hands Behind the Hand?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oN4SmKNwA44

[Baby Steps]

For the awakeners:


It appears to be a concoction of Military intelligence and AI, with the objective to control the narrative- anybody who is in the process of awakening will at least feel uncomfortable with the idea that a mysterious group within a powerful government is actually driving this. Good awakenings are unlikely to be provided by those holding POWER over us

On the other side of the argument is that clearly at its best, Q is assisting us to build our cases against the tyrants. In order to take them down. Good pointers have been given to us, and the awakening narrative is being built by researchers and citizen journalists.

How, then to reconcile these two conflicting positions? My take is that our establishment has calculated that wikileaks and other leaks have the power to bring them down. They therefore decided to try to hijack and control the awakening in order to preserve THEIR OWN POWER POSITION. This will entail TPTB throwing some of the nastiest tyrants under the bus. As we see this happen (and applaud it) we could make the mistake of thinking Q is good or acting in our interests. Better to remain suspicious, but grateful for progress which is coming. Another indicator that all is not right is that we talk about grabbing the pop corn (sitting it out) rather than taking personal and collective action to achieve change. Nevertheless some good stuff happening. Awareness is the key.

[Noelle]

Posted by norman (here)
Those remote viewing videos may be worth a thread of their own.


I'd feel a bit better and more sure about it if I knew who the remote viewer was. I wish it was Dick Allgire.

I agree, Norman.

Though I can't recall what drew me into the Q phenomenon, I've stayed engaged in it for various reasons. One reason is to study it for clues on the bigger picture. I've done some light research on "The Storm" and other weather-related names entering the stage (i.e., Michael Bolton, James Clapper, Emmet Flood, Nikki Haley, Bill Shine, Peter Strzok [pronounced STRUCK], Chris Wray, Stormy Daniels), which I have shared on the main Q thread. This has been whispering "programmed reality" to me.

[Helene West]

One of my questions about Q is - 'Does Q do enough to break free of the mindset of left/right, liberal/conservative, etc?'

In the past the international ruling class came by boats and conquered physically other lands and people. The conquest of the people of the western world is just as real but a different style, technocratic, less physicality needed. Harder for john and jane doe to see the takeover. Is Q doing enough to help john doe see this?

All public info access roads must lead to obfuscation that there is a CLASS of people who have been conducting The Art of War for well over a century against the very citizens that they had previously used for centuries to help them conquer other lands. The imperialism hasn't stopped, we westerners were just last on the list.

The right/left, dem/repub, lib/conserv must prevail to protect the rulers, a tiny minority. Even on Fox, which the globalists allow more truth to be told than the other stations, Hannity et al, pounds the notion of Lib/Conserv every night. There still is no Class consciousness just divide amongst the citizenry.

Q's asking of questions instead of just preaching ideology at us can be a mental technique to snap out of a mndset and was one of the aspects that was initially novel and intrigued me but is it working to serve in breaking free of the two-sided divide Prison or has it helped keep it going? Right/left is obsolete, it's globalists vs citizens, is Q doing enough for John & Jane with their tee shirts to see that?

[Jayke]

Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
Thanks Jayke. About the timing, not sure if you are watching the Dark Journalist X series (well worth watching, very interesting), he keeps repeating that Steiner said that there would be another opportunity for global awakening 100 years after the last failure (he saw World War I as a humanity failure) - in other words from 2018 and he gives this as lasting to 2038.

On the astrology it's all related, probably worth a separate thread, will check out this link, thanks.

Holy sh*t! I’m an hour into Dark Journalists latest presentation, and he’s showing the CERN Tarot cards. Every one of these cards is a goldmine...here’s a few that might actually support the Q as AI hypothesis (as outlandishly on the edge of speculation as I first imagined it to be), although it’s worth looking through the rest of them as well. I’m not saying Q is definitely an AI, but I’ll be filing this potential hypothesis under the ‘something more sinister’ aspect of the thread title.

• http://www.suzannetreister.net/HEXEN...N_2_TAROT.html

[Foxie Loxie]

Let's hope so, Helene! My prayer is that The Rule of Law can be restored, which means corrupt judges have to be OUTED!!

[Valerie Villars]

Jake, I hate to be such a dummy, but what are Cern tarot cards? Who made them? Who uses them?

Thanks.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Jayke (here)
Holy sh*t! I’m an hour into Dark Journalists latest presentation, and he’s showing the CERN Tarot cards. Every one of these cards is a goldmine...here’s a few that might actually support the Q as AI hypothesis (as outlandishly on the edge of speculation as I first imagined it to be), although it’s worth looking through the rest of them as well. I’m not saying Q is definitely an AI, but I’ll be filing this potential hypothesis under the ‘something more sinister’ aspect of the thread title.

• http://www.suzannetreister.net/HEXEN...N_2_TAROT.html

I haven’t watch the Dark Journalist’s vid. Maybe he covered it there. I was curious when these cards came out. (bold print is mine)

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[Jayke]

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
Jake, I hate to be such a dummy, but what are Cern tarot cards? Who made them? Who uses them?

Thanks.

I hadn’t heard of them either. Dark Journalist explains where they originate in his latest presentation. They were made for people who work at the CERN Hadron Collider apparently. I’ve not finished watching the whole thing yet, so not sure if he thinks there’s any white hats vs black hats behind the creation of the cards. I’ll watch the rest and find out what his overall hypothesis is.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JAJH3xZvBRI