A look beneath the Holocaust Propaganda ...

[Gustav]

I also see people arguing about things proven,

In my opinion there is nothing wrong to shed light on things you personally already know. Just to be sure to see that what you know can be verified or debunked by people that have different views. That enables us to eliminate the "burden" of known knowledge and indeed turn to the events unfolding in our times.
Because that is alarming as well, that we can agree immediately.

[Second Son]

I read an earlier post about the Ukrainian mass murders being blamed on the Germans. I think further study will reveal that it was the Russians. Also I watched a video where 3 or four guys stepped into a room the size of a phone booth (maybe a little bigger) and activated a canister of zyklon-b. It proved without question that the official story is a hoax. Of course these men had already talked to an expert on chemical insecticides... a log time owner of an extermination company, who knew that without a LOOOONG time to activate in combination with high heat the chemical would have no effect.

A pogrom of genocide targeted at jews is a complete fabrication designed to gain the Zionists a state in Israel... and it worked well! This needs to be said while it is still legal (though perhaps anathema) to talk about it here in the good old US of A.

Peace out.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Second Son (here)
I read an earlier post about the Ukrainian mass murders being blamed on the Germans. I think further study will reveal that it was the Russians. Also I watched a video where 3 or four guys stepped into a room the size of a phone booth (maybe a little bigger) and activated a canister of zyklon-b. It proved without question that the official story is a hoax. Of course these men had already talked to an expert on chemical insecticides... a log time owner of an extermination company, who knew that without a LOOOONG time to activate in combination with high heat the chemical would have no effect.

A pogrom of genocide targeted at jews is a complete fabrication designed to gain the Zionists a state in Israel... and it worked well! This needs to be said while it is still legal (though perhaps anathema) to talk about it here in the good old US of A.

Peace out.

One of the mass murders in the Ukraine you speak of is the one at Vinnitsa. I have seen photos of the corpses after they were exhumed for analysis by the Germans. The caption reads along the lines of ''The jews of Vinnitsa after the arrival of the Germans and their massacre.''
There are many pics like that, of genuine events with fake captions.

The genocide story isn't only about isreal, it is far bigger than that.
There is a prophecy that says the messiah will not come until 6 million jews fail to answer a roll call. My paraphrasing.
I am looking for an online source for this because, as you can see, this blows the roof off the whole thing.

[peter67]

I truly believe that this is another part of our awakening as we start peeling back the veil and seeing how the control of our minds has been carried out by the unseen magicians. Lets face it. If they can control the most powerfull weapon known as television and dumb us down enough we will believe anything..However we are now at the point of shifting our awareness to the heart and people are waking up in large numbers now. Our false history that is presented to us through education and so called official accounts are some what flawed when looked at more closely. We live in a world of lies and greed and lust for power. Thats what we have been sold since birth. to be subservient to all people in charge and those who know best and not ask awkward questions that make them feel uncomfortable. Thats when you know your onto something and the truth shines out..
thankyou.

[Fred259]

Posted by peter67 (here)
I truly believe that this is another part of our awakening as we start peeling back the veil and seeing how the control of our minds has been carried out by the unseen magicians. Lets face it. If they can control the most powerfull weapon known as television and dumb us down enough we will believe anything..However we are now at the point of shifting our awareness to the heart and people are waking up in large numbers now. Our false history that is presented to us through education and so called official accounts are some what flawed when looked at more closely. We live in a world of lies and greed and lust for power. Thats what we have been sold since birth. to be subservient to all people in charge and those who know best and not ask awkward questions that make them feel uncomfortable. Thats when you know your onto something and the truth shines out..
thankyou.

A Sensible post from a fellow Celt..

The thread is coming along slowly, its not about Jews, it’s all about control and who is behind the control…that’s what she typed up “ A Look behind the Holocaust Propaganda” Who is behind all this?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by peter67 (here)
I truly believe that this is another part of our awakening as we start peeling back the veil and seeing how the control of our minds has been carried out by the unseen magicians. Lets face it. If they can control the most powerfull weapon known as television and dumb us down enough we will believe anything..However we are now at the point of shifting our awareness to the heart and people are waking up in large numbers now. Our false history that is presented to us through education and so called official accounts are some what flawed when looked at more closely. We live in a world of lies and greed and lust for power. Thats what we have been sold since birth. to be subservient to all people in charge and those who know best and not ask awkward questions that make them feel uncomfortable. Thats when you know your onto something and the truth shines out..
thankyou.

A Sensible post from a fellow Celt..

The thread is coming along slowly, its not about Jews, it’s all about control and who is behind the control…that’s what she typed up “ A Look behind the Holocaust Propaganda” Who is behind all this?

I can only speak for myself, but for me, yes, it is about the jews and no, it's not about the jews.
In the world of duality we exist in, there are two sides to everything as we know.
For me, I am out to break this paradigm of guilt, hate, horror and all the other negative crap associated to it.
I had a very valued member make a point to me, this is about healing and some will react to it in a negative manner.
I didn't think of that, but he is right and we have seen that already.
So at the same time that it is about jews and releasing them from their mental shackles of anti-semitism and welcoming them into the water, it is about freeing the rest of us too.

[Fred259]

I can only speak for myself, but for me, yes, it is about the jews and no, it's not about the jews.
In the world of duality we exist in, there are two sides to everything as we know.
For me, I am out to break this paradigm of guilt, hate, horror and all the other negative crap associated to it.
I had a very valued member make a point to me, this is about healing and some will react to it in a negative manner.
I didn't think of that, but he is right and we have seen that already.
So at the same time that it is about jews and releasing them from their mental shackles of anti-semitism and welcoming them into the water, it is about freeing the rest of us too.

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So at the same time that it is about jews and releasing them from their mental shackles of anti-semitism and welcoming them into the water, it is about freeing the rest of us too.

Lord Sidious; who is it that has the Jews mentally shackled?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

I can only speak for myself, but for me, yes, it is about the jews and no, it's not about the jews.
In the world of duality we exist in, there are two sides to everything as we know.
For me, I am out to break this paradigm of guilt, hate, horror and all the other negative crap associated to it.
I had a very valued member make a point to me, this is about healing and some will react to it in a negative manner.
I didn't think of that, but he is right and we have seen that already.
So at the same time that it is about jews and releasing them from their mental shackles of anti-semitism and welcoming them into the water, it is about freeing the rest of us too.

1.

So at the same time that it is about jews and releasing them from their mental shackles of anti-semitism and welcoming them into the water, it is about freeing the rest of us too.

Lord Sidious; who is it that has the Jews mentally shackled?

You know when people are angy at some event and blame ''the jews?''
More often that not, that is the ones.
The jewish elites care nothing about the ''little jew'' and have been shown to sacrifice how ever many they needed to so that they could advance their agenda/s.
They control their flocks by telling/teaching them all sorts of things along the lines of'
''Don't trust the goyim, they all want to kill you'', ''We are superior to the goyim'' and all types of stuff.
Mainly to keep them seperate and obviously seperate to the rest of us.
Have a look around the net for info regarding rabbis and the drive to stop intermarriage.
You will find a lot of the mind control used in those types of areas.

[RedeZra]

the official picture of WWII is made up of much propaganda pieces with the foremost purpose to make the Allies look good and the Axis evil

Considering the track record of Western governments to officialy acknowledge fiction and to silence supress and deny facts then it is high time for a revision into the events and documents of WWII


take the Katyn massacre for example where about 20 000 Polish people - millitar officers, doctors, professors, lawmakers, police officers, landowners, factory owners, lawyers, officials, priests - were executed in the spring of 1940


Germany already announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in 1943 which led to the end of diplomatic relations between Moscow and the London-based Polish government-in-exile

the Soviet Union continued to blame Germany for the massacres until 1990 when Mikhail Gorbachev admitted that the NKVD (Soviet secret police) had indeed executed the Poles and confirmed two other burial sites similar to the site at Katyn - Mednoye and Piatykhatky

Because of incessant efforts from the Polish Institute of National Remembrance to get Russia to hand over official Soviet records about the Katyn massacre then the factual documented piece of Katyn is one of Stalin Soviet atrocity

In November 2010 the Russian State Duma approved a declaration blaming Stalin and other Soviet officials for having personally ordered the Katyn massacre


In light of this there might be no wonder why Hitler invaded Soviet in the summer of 1941 even though the two countries had a bilateral treaty of non-aggression trade and cooperation fighting Polish resistance

Stalin's methods of sovietization by executing the intelligencia of Poland is most likely the reason why Hitler decided to invade Soviet

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the official picture of WWII is made up of much propaganda pieces with the foremost purpose to make the Allies look good and the Axis evil

The thing about the second world war that differs from the first is that the propoganda of the first was openly acknowledged as being such, but not the second.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
Considering the track record of Western governments to officialy acknowledge fiction and to silence supress and deny facts then it is high time for a revision into the events and documents of WWII


take the Katyn massacre for example where about 20 000 Polish people - millitar officers, doctors, professors, lawmakers, police officers, landowners, factory owners, lawyers, officials, priests - were executed in the spring of 1940


Germany already announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in 1943 which led to the end of diplomatic relations between Moscow and the London-based Polish government-in-exile

After this mass murder had been discovered, the Germans asked for help from neutral nations to send in forensic examiners. After autopsies had been done, it was determined that the soviets had done it, not the Germans.
For one thing, the bodies were dressed in winter gear and Unternehmen Barbarossa, the invasion of the soviet union was in summer.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the Soviet Union continued to blame Germany for the massacres until 1990 when Mikhail Gorbachev admitted that the NKVD (Soviet secret police) had indeed executed the Poles and confirmed two other burial sites similar to the site at Katyn - Mednoye and Piatykhatky

Because of incessant efforts from the Polish Institute of National Remembrance to get Russia to hand over official Soviet records about the Katyn massacre then the factual documented piece of Katyn is one of Stalin Soviet atrocity

In November 2010 the Russian State Duma approved a declaration blaming Stalin and other Soviet officials for having personally ordered the Katyn massacre

At the trials conducted after the war in Nurnberg, the soviets still attempted to have this put on the indictments against the Germans, but the intervention of British and American prosecutors convinced them to remove them.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
In light of this there might be no wonder why Hitler invaded Soviet in the summer of 1941 even though the two countries had a bilateral treaty of non-aggression trade and cooperation fighting Polish resistance

Stalin's methods of sovietization by executing the intelligencia of Poland is most likely the reason why Hitler decided to invade Soviet

I don't recall this being a reason, as it wasn't known of before about 1942 or 3, but there were other pressing reasons.

I won't give a link, I will let you guys google this one for yourselves.
Google this Icebreaker + Suvorov
That may surprise you, but this is THE reason for the invasion.

On another note, this is an interesting article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/wo...zLDsB+/4Wl1lbg
In it, there are several interesting points.

''Tuviah Samuel Friedman was born on Jan. 23, 1922, in Radom, where his father owned a printing business. After escaping from the labor camp through sewers, he joined the semiofficial Polish militia in 1944.''
Like I mentioned in an earlier post, many of the partisans on the eastern front were jews.

''In Vienna he joined a secret Jewish group that was helping Israel come into being even as it strove to avenge the past. In 1946, his superior, Arthur Pier, who later changed his name to Asher Ben Natan and held posts in the Israeli government, instructed him on his top priority.''
So they say they were planning this even before the whole thing was over.
Even more interesting is the name thing.
Many european jews changed their names either before they went to Palestine or after arrival. Usually, they chose sephardic names. Whether this is to ''legitimise'' israel or not, I don't know.
The thing is, many people have claimed that people are lost, possibly dead as they can't find a trace of them after 1945. This is one reason why.

[Gustav]

''In Vienna he joined a secret Jewish group

Now it is going to be fun to find out what group that was. Or is that the Wiesenthal group?

On the topic on who did what in WWII. It is very interesting to find out how many soldiers have died on the Russian side and how many on the American/British side (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties) This shows that the USSR either has done a much bigger job in stopping the germans that the rest of the Allies combined or that they were extremely bad soldiers. Personally I would go with the first. Especially since the largest battles of WWII were fought on the Eastern Front and not in western europe. But this might be useful for a more conventional history lesson. I'll go back to the topic now

[RedeZra]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
Stalin's methods of sovietization by executing the intelligencia of Poland is most likely the reason why Hitler decided to invade Soviet

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I don't recall this being a reason, as it wasn't known of before about 1942 or 3, but there were other pressing reasons.

That is true but the share scale of Stalin's policy of sovietization by eliminating and deportation of non-communist nationals in the Baltic States Poland and elsewhere would be picked up by German intelligence


this link to the Institute for Historical Review makes a case for a massive Soviet mobilisation as the reason for Germany's preemptive strike



Also Hitler himself said in his Reichstag Speech of December 11, 1941

After the repeated rejection of my peace proposal in 1940 by the British prime minister [Winston Churchill] and the clique that supports and controls him, it was clear by the fall of that year that this war would have to be fought through to the end, contrary to all logic and necessity.

Already in 1940 it became increasingly clear from month to month that the plans of the men in the Kremlin were aimed at the domination, and thus the destruction, of all of Europe. I have already told the nation of the build-up of Soviet Russian military power in the East during a period when Germany had only a few divisions in the provinces bordering Soviet Russia. Only a blind person could fail to see that a military build-up of unique world-historical dimensions was being carried out.

In a cowardly way, he [Churchill] now tries to deny that during a secret meeting in the British House of Commons in 1940 he said that an important factor for the successful continuation and conclusion of this war would be the Soviet entry into the war, which would come during 1941 at the latest, and which would also make it possible for Britain to take the offensive.

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Like I mentioned in an earlier post, many of the partisans on the eastern front were jews.

there were a lot of fighting between pro-communists and nationalists especially in various nation states in Eastern Europe - it is a fact that a lot of Jews were pro-communists

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
''In Vienna he joined a secret Jewish group that was helping Israel come into being even as it strove to avenge the past. In 1946, his superior, Arthur Pier, who later changed his name to Asher Ben Natan and held posts in the Israeli government, instructed him on his top priority.''

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 was made in a letter from British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild stating that Britain will help make Israel in Palestine a dream come through

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the German defeat was not a triumph over evil as propaganda wants us to believe but the defeat of a nation and a folk that would not be enslaved by the PTB - therefore it is today important to demonize Hitler and to destroy the reputation of the German nationals under WWII - so nobody else get any ideas standing up against the PTB

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
Stalin's methods of sovietization by executing the intelligencia of Poland is most likely the reason why Hitler decided to invade Soviet

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I don't recall this being a reason, as it wasn't known of before about 1942 or 3, but there were other pressing reasons.

That is true but the share scale of Stalin's policy of sovietization by eliminating and deportation of non-communist nationals in the Baltic States Poland and elsewhere would be picked up by German intelligence


this link to the Institute for Historical Review makes a case for a massive Soviet mobilisation as the reason for Germany's preemptive strike

If you want some more on this, see if you can find the comments by Han-Ulrich Rudel and what he says about the stuka missions he conducted in the first days of Barbarossa. He says that the soviets had not only moved up their troops to the border with German occupied Poland, but had made breaches in their own defence lines.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
Also Hitler himself said in his Reichstag Speech of December 11, 1941

After the repeated rejection of my peace proposal in 1940 by the British prime minister [Winston Churchill] and the clique that supports and controls him, it was clear by the fall of that year that this war would have to be fought through to the end, contrary to all logic and necessity.

Already in 1940 it became increasingly clear from month to month that the plans of the men in the Kremlin were aimed at the domination, and thus the destruction, of all of Europe. I have already told the nation of the build-up of Soviet Russian military power in the East during a period when Germany had only a few divisions in the provinces bordering Soviet Russia. Only a blind person could fail to see that a military build-up of unique world-historical dimensions was being carried out.

In a cowardly way, he [Churchill] now tries to deny that during a secret meeting in the British House of Commons in 1940 he said that an important factor for the successful continuation and conclusion of this war would be the Soviet entry into the war, which would come during 1941 at the latest, and which would also make it possible for Britain to take the offensive.

Yeah, but how many people read both sides version of events?

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Like I mentioned in an earlier post, many of the partisans on the eastern front were jews.

there were a lot of fighting between pro-communists and nationalists especially in various nation states in Eastern Europe - it is a fact that a lot of Jews were pro-communists

True.

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
''In Vienna he joined a secret Jewish group that was helping Israel come into being even as it strove to avenge the past. In 1946, his superior, Arthur Pier, who later changed his name to Asher Ben Natan and held posts in the Israeli government, instructed him on his top priority.''

Yes.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
The Balfour Declaration of 1917 was made in a letter from British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild stating that Britain will help make Israel in Palestine a dream come through

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Yes.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the German defeat was not a triumph over evil as propaganda wants us to believe but the defeat of a nation and a folk that would not be enslaved by the PTB - therefore it is today important to demonize Hitler and to destroy the reputation of the German nationals under WWII - so nobody else get any ideas standing up against the PTB

See, here is the thing, the NSDAP government was great in everyones books until a certain time before the war.
All we have to find out is when and why things changed.
Once we do that, then we may get a surprise.

[karelia]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

the German defeat was not a triumph over evil as propaganda wants us to believe but the defeat of a nation and a folk that would not be enslaved by the PTB - therefore it is today important to demonize Hitler and to destroy the reputation of the German nationals under WWII - so nobody else get any ideas standing up against the PTB

That. Totally. Resonates.

I grew up in Germany in the 1970s, and I distinctly remember some conversations between my grandmother's generation how things had gone down the drain despite the Wirtschaftswunder (economical miracle), and how the entire country was becoming far too Americanized. Those conversations were always in private settings and often contained the complaint that 'one has to watch what one says when overheard.' It was weird, especially as the younger generations were of the belief that Germany was a relatively 'free' country.

Then, in 1994, I read Ian van Helsing's Secret Societies and had a major aha-moment, remembering all the oddities I had overheard as a child. When that book and its sequel were banned by the government, I had no doubt that the governments of the world were hiding one heck of a lot.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by karelia (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

the German defeat was not a triumph over evil as propaganda wants us to believe but the defeat of a nation and a folk that would not be enslaved by the PTB - therefore it is today important to demonize Hitler and to destroy the reputation of the German nationals under WWII - so nobody else get any ideas standing up against the PTB

That. Totally. Resonates.

I grew up in Germany in the 1970s, and I distinctly remember some conversations between my grandmother's generation how things had gone down the drain despite the Wirtschaftswunder (economical miracle), and how the entire country was becoming far too Americanized. Those conversations were always in private settings and often contained the complaint that 'one has to watch what one says when overheard.' It was weird, especially as the younger generations were of the belief that Germany was a relatively 'free' country.

Then, in 1994, I read Ian van Helsing's Secret Societies and had a major aha-moment, remembering all the oddities I had overheard as a child. When that book and its sequel were banned by the government, I had no doubt that the governments of the world were hiding one heck of a lot.

If anyone believes that Germany is not still occupied, then how come the first two verses of the national anthem are banned? And singing them is a jailable offence.
How come the constitutional court said in the late 70's that the FRG is an occupied land and the legal government is the last one in power?
There are foreign armies inside the nation?
The referendum to legitimise the constitution was never held after 1989, as per the constitution itself?
And this is without getting into the anti-constitutional laws forbidding any 3rd Reich insignia or logos but not banning others, or the holocaust denial laws.

[loveandgratitude]

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 "The falsification of history has done more to impede human
development than any one thing known to mankind"
- Rousseau 1712-1778 -

The Jew who cried wolf?
July 20 1921 New York Times -
Jews beg American and Germans to save the 6,000,000 Jews from Extermination in Russia.?????
The Jews kept going to Germany to get the Germans and Americans to intervene in their impending Holocaust of Six Million in Russia!

Jews don't have to be "Zionists" per se or "Marxists" to be a threat. There may be jews who don't fall into those categories exactly, but nevertheless they are a threat because they have an Us vs. them mentality fostered by their insane attachment to their holocaust god. The "average" "non-marxist" "non-zionist" jew is a threat because he refuses to speak out against the evils perpetrated by his more radical brethren, thus making him a part of the problem. Where are the JEWISH WHISTLEBLOWERS. It is time for open and honest dialogue between Jews and No Jews. Time for asking questions and getting some answers. Thank you so much for this thread.

[karelia]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

If anyone believes that Germany is not still occupied, then how come the first two verses of the national anthem are banned? And singing them is a jailable offence.
How come the constitutional court said in the late 70's that the FRG is an occupied land and the legal government is the last one in power?
There are foreign armies inside the nation?
The referendum to legitimise the constitution was never held after 1989, as per the constitution itself?
And this is without getting into the anti-constitutional laws forbidding any 3rd Reich insignia or logos but not banning others, or the holocaust denial laws.

I remember reading something about Art. 23 of the Grundgesetz with regard to the literal abolishment of the entire law in 1989/90. Iirc, Art. 23 was abolished, which essentially banished all the other articles of it.
Also, why does Germany not have a constitution? (Or is it only alleged to not have one, since there seems to be one school of thought that the last constitution was never abolished?) Since 1948, I think, it's had a Grundgesetz (Basic Law) but no constitution.
There are more questions I would love to find answers to, such as is it true that it was the Wehrmacht (Army) who capitulated, but Germany itself never actually did. Would that mean it's still in a war situation now?
And the whole flying disks/UFOs/Antarctica/Neuschwabenland—I think, no, I KNOW we have a right to know.
What is the whole situation over Rudolf Hess? It wasn't him who was allegedly kept in Spandau all these years and then died of old age, was it?

Lord Sidious, if you have any links to share, please feel free. It's been a while since I read up about it, mostly because I feel righteous anger when I come across the subject that screams more mind control than anything else I've encounters, and that's saying something. If there are any seemingly interesting articles in German, I'd be happy to translate those.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by karelia (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

If anyone believes that Germany is not still occupied, then how come the first two verses of the national anthem are banned? And singing them is a jailable offence.
How come the constitutional court said in the late 70's that the FRG is an occupied land and the legal government is the last one in power?
There are foreign armies inside the nation?
The referendum to legitimise the constitution was never held after 1989, as per the constitution itself?
And this is without getting into the anti-constitutional laws forbidding any 3rd Reich insignia or logos but not banning others, or the holocaust denial laws.

I remember reading something about Art. 23 of the Grundgesetz with regard to the literal abolishment of the entire law in 1989/90. Iirc, Art. 23 was abolished, which essentially banished all the other articles of it.
Also, why does Germany not have a constitution? (Or is it only alleged to not have one, since there seems to be one school of thought that the last constitution was never abolished?) Since 1948, I think, it's had a Grundgesetz (Basic Law) but no constitution.
There are more questions I would love to find answers to, such as is it true that it was the Wehrmacht (Army) who capitulated, but Germany itself never actually did. Would that mean it's still in a war situation now?
And the whole flying disks/UFOs/Antarctica/Neuschwabenland—I think, no, I KNOW we have a right to know.
What is the whole situation over Rudolf Hess? It wasn't him who was allegedly kept in Spandau all these years and then died of old age, was it?

Lord Sidious, if you have any links to share, please feel free. It's been a while since I read up about it, mostly because I feel righteous anger when I come across the subject that screams more mind control than anything else I've encounters, and that's saying something. If there are any seemingly interesting articles in German, I'd be happy to translate those.

My friend, I have a court case from the court that I mentioned, but I can't find it right now, I will keep looking for it.
In it, it says the armed forces surrendered and not the Reich, which is dormant and not dead.
They say there is a representative of the Reich in Bonn, but I don't know if that is true.
I am still unsure of Neuschwabenland. It's a fact that there was at least one expedition there. Anything else, not sure.
That wasn't the real Hess in Spandau, no. A British army doctor who was there for a while wrote a book about it, Doppelganger or something similar.
He said the ''Hess'' they had did not have any sign of the chest wound the real one got in WW1.
He went on to point out something I noticed with ''Saddamn Hussein'' as well. The real ones had good teeth, the possible fakes had gaps between the two front teeth.
Also, the serial number on the Me110 that crashed in Scotland that ''Hess'' flew is different to the one that took off.
The ''Hess'' in Spandau introduced himself as Alfred Horn, not Hess when captured.
I will skype you as well.

[RedeZra]

Posted by karelia (here)
And the whole flying disks/UFOs/Antarctica/Neuschwabenland—I think, no, I KNOW we have a right to know.

When Germany was the first to develop operational jet planes, ballistic missiles, flying saucers, commercial digital computers and also most likely nuclear power and the atom bomb then what else did German scientists invent and make functional ?

I'm inclined to think that the incridible technological boom after WWII is the result of more or less secret German inventions


It was certainly no coincidence that the nuclear 'trinity' test in USA was a success just 2 months after 'the act of military surrender' of Germany ratified 8 May in Berlin


Operation Paperclip moved scientists technologies and documents out of Germany and into the US by special task forces that followed suit the Western Allies advancements into Germany

Regarding Operation Alsos, Allied Intelligence described nuclear physicist Werner Heisenberg, the German nuclear energy project principal, as “ . . . worth more to us than ten divisions of Germans.”


Operation Highjump in late August 1946 was a United States Navy military expedition in Antartica consisting of 13 ships almost 5000 men and multiple aircrafts

the expedition was terminated in Febuary 1947 six months early and no official explanation was given

If Admiral Byrd is not misquoted in an interview appearing March 5 1947 in the Chilean newspaper El Mercurio then Byrd warned of an imminent attack on the United States and the necessity to "remain in a state of alert and watchfulness" and take defensive precautions against "the possibility of an invasion of the country by hostile aircraft proceeding from the polar regions".

"I do not want to scare anybody but the bitter reality is that in the event of a new war the United States will be attacked by aircraft flying in from over one or both poles." - Admiral Byrd march 1947

[karelia]

I did some surfing on the German web... Wow. Mind-blowing stuff. And a lot of it carries the signature of the global overlords...

Here is what I've found that seems to be pretty solidly referenced with court decisions, politicians' statements, etc:

- The German Reich continues to exist within its borders of 12/31/1937: http://www.8ung.at/brd/
According to the Federal Constitutional Court: Auszug aus Urteil 2Bvf1/73:

“...Es wird daran festgehalten (vgl zB BVerfG, 1956-08-17, 1 BvB 2/51, BVerfGE 5, 85 <126>), daß das Deutsche Reich den Zusammenbruch 1945 überdauert hat und weder mit der Kapitulation noch durch die Ausübung fremder Staatsgewalt in Deutschland durch die Alliierten noch später untergegangen ist; es besitzt nach wie vor Rechtsfähigkeit, ist allerdings als Gesamtstaat mangels Organisation nicht handlungsfähig. Die BRD ist nicht "Rechtsnachfolger" des Deutschen Reiches, sondern als Staat identisch mit dem Staat "Deutsches Reich", - in bezug auf seine räumliche Ausdehnung allerdings "teilidentisch". ...”
(The German Reich survived the collapse in 1945 and drowned neither with the capitulation nor with the practice of foreign state powers through the Allied Forces in Germany. It continues to be legally valid, is, however, as an overall state not capable of action due to lack of organisation. The FRG is not the 'legal successor' of the German Reich, but as a state identical with the state 'German Reich' – with regard to its geographical spread, however, only partly identical.)

- The Weimar Constitution from 1919 continues to be valid (several articles of the Basic Law reference that constitution)

- Article 23 of the GrundGesetz was scrapped in 1990 and with it the geographical validity of the entire law, hence the confusion over the validity of the GG altogether

- There are still 70,000 troops stationed in Germany, and they are completely under American jurisdiction, ie. if they commit a crime on German land, all German cops are allowed to do is hand them over to the US MP.

- There appears to be no single document that ends the war status between the German Reich and the other countries involved. Nor is one likely to happen, since the FRG is only seen as an interim "manager" of the German Reich, so to speak.

- The unification contract of the GDR joining the FRG appears to be invalid for the following reasons: The contract was signed on 08/31/1990 and reads as follows: Artikel 1:
Mit dem Wirksamwerden des Beitritts der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik zur Bundesrepublik Deutschland gemäß Artikel 23 des Grundgesetzes am 3. Oktober 1990 werden die Länder Brandenburg, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Sachsen, Sachsen-Anhalt und Thüringen Länder der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. ...
(With effect of the German Democratic Republic joining the German Federal Republic as per Article 23 of the Basic Law on October 3, 1990, the Länder of Brandenburg, MV, Sachsen, SA, and Thüringen become Länder of the German Republic.)
But Article 23 was wiped before 10/03/1990 by none other than James Baker.
Furthermore, the above mentioned Länder did not come into existence until 10/14/1990. So, uh, wedding before birth???

- Last, but not least, it appears that in 1990, a company by the name of German Federal Republic - Financial Agents was incorporated, its sole decision maker being the GFR. Looks like it's become a corporation...