Yamashlta's gold

[ramus]

https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2..._1833_pres.pdf

GOLD PRICES :




Historical Gold Price Table
, London prices converted to
U.S. Dollars.
The price of gold remained remarkably stable for long periods of time. For example, Sir Isaac Newton, as master of the
U.K. Mint, set the gold price at L3.17s. 10d. per troy ounce in 1717, and it remained effectively the same for two hundred
years until 1914. The only exception was during the Napoleonic wars from 1797 to 1821. The official U.S. Government
gold price has changed only four times from 1792 to the present. Starting at $19.75 per troy ounce, raised to $20.67 in
1834, and $35 in 1934. In 1972, the price was raised to $38 and then to $42.22 in 1973. A two-tiered pricing system was
created in 1968, and the market price for gold has been free to fluctuate since then as the table below shows.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by ramus (here)
https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2..._1833_pres.pdf

GOLD PRICES :

Ah, got it. The graph I used was inflation-adjusted (i.e. past years showed the equivalent price now). Yours was the real-time price then.

(Which means yours is the right one to use. )

[Bill Ryan]

[Moderator geek note ]

Folks will have noticed that if you write the name straight out, the rather dumb (no AI here!) Avalon cuss word auto-censor kicks in and makes it appear as Yama****a.

The way to defeat this is to select the 'i' (or any asterisked letter) an then go to 'Sizes' in the little menu above, and choose Size=2 (which it is anyway).

But then, behind the scenes, the code looks like this: Yamash[SIZE =2]i[/SIZE]ta. That confuses the censor so much it lets it pass, and Yamashita is what you see on the page.

[lake]

Ermm...you just told all us adults how to swear on the forum

lol

[chrifri]

After having made my first post and I saw that the Y.... name was converted into Yama****a, I had to smile. Who knows, maybe the auto-censor might give us a hint that there is some s... buried somewhere in that story. Sorry for the comment but it really seemed funny to me

[lake]

Hi all....well I seem to be on a completely different path from most of you??

I am just taking from the opening posts images and I 'see' no gold!
Well thats not correct but from the images we can see:

That the 'bullion boxes' are not very large (see the cd cases in the first image and then the size of floor tiles upon which are cardboard packing) and that they are 'bond boxes'....they hold bonds, promises to pay from either the government or the federal reserve system.

A main theme from the images is the ' Treaty of Versailles ' so I skim read a couple of books on this subject, mainly about the reparations, inter–ally debt, and international trade:

The Economic Consequences of the Peace 1920

and

A Revision of the Treaty 1922

Not my type of thing but they do show that Germany was looking at 180 billion in GOLD marks as reparation....plus interest.......but this did not include the USA, who was holding off on judgement but did declare an 'interest'?

So then we have:

United Secret Book Of Redemption

On of the meanings for redemption when used in finance is:

the act of exchanging bonds, shares, etc. for money

these bond boxes hold 'financial instruments' more than likely issued to save the federal reserve system from collapse in 1930-33.

You have a box which holds 12 smaller boxes (and a 13th box which contains the 'means' to redemption or cashing in of the bonds) which each contain 250 bonds at a face value of one billion each.

It would look like this ties in with the Banking Act of 1932, Emergency Banking Act of 1933 and the Gold Reserve Act of 1934.
Also the Exchange Stabilization Fund (created by the Gold Reserve Act of 1934) which 'trades' money and gold with other countries.

The serial numbers look to go with this which are of course the 12 Fed Banks (as per the images):

United States Gold Obligation

Gold Certificates and Federal Reserve Notes

Total Face Value of Notes Issued, 1907-1933


Table Columns:


Series: Year of enactment (issue).

District: Federal Reserve Bank District.

$FV: Face Value of note in Dollars.

Notes Issued: Total number of notes printed and issued.

The Total Face Value is the sum of the face values times the numbers of notes.

US TREASURY GOLD CERTIFICATES

Series $FV Notes Issued Total Face Value

1907 10 105,094,800

1922 10 160,604,000

1905 20 4,676,000

1906 20 55,954,587

1922 20 87,120,000

1913 50 1,624,000

1922 50 5,984,000

1922 100 2,444,000

1907 1,000 228,000

1922 1,000 80,000

1928 10 130,812,000

20 66,204,000

50 5,520,000

100 3,240,000

500 420,000

1,000 288,000

5,000 24,000

10,000 36,000



$ 10,754,999,740.00



Official US price 1933: $20.67 (per troy oz)

Total gold obligation: 0.52 Billion troy oz.

Total gold obligation: 16,183 Metric Tons


FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES

Series/District $FV Notes Issued Total Face Value

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Note: I have snipped this down as it is rather long :0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1928-A A 50 1,834,989
B 50 3,392,328
C 50 3,078,944
D 50 2,453,364
E 50 1,516,500
F 50 338,400
G 50 5,263,956
H 50 880,500
I 50 780,240
J 50 791,604
K 50 701,496
L 50 1,522,620

1928 A 100 376,000
B 100 755,400
C 100 389,100
D 100 542,400
E 100 364,416
F 100 357,000
G 100 783,300
H 100 187,200
I 100 102,000
J 100 234,612
K 100 80,140
L 100 486,000

1928-A A 100 980,400
B 100 2,938,176
C 100 1,496,844
D 100 992,436
E 100 621,364
F 100 371,400
G 100 4,010,424
H 100 749,544
I 100 503,040
J 100 681,804
K 100 594,456
L 100 1,228,032

1928 A 500 69,120
B 500 299,400
C 500 135,120
D 500 166,440
E 500 84,720
F 500 69,360
G 500 573,600
H 500 66,180
I 500 34,680
J 500 510,720
K 500 70,560
L 500 64,080

1928 A 1,000 58,320
B 1,000 139,200
C 1,000 96,708
D 1,000 79,680
E 1,000 66,840
F 1,000 47,400
G 1,000 355,800
H 1,000 60,000
I 1,000 26,640
J 1,000 62,172
K 1,000 42,960
L 1,000 67,920

1928 A 5,000 1,320
B 5,000 2,640
C 5,000 0
D 5,000 3,000
E 5,000 3,984
F 5,000 1,440
G 5,000 3,480
H 5,000 0
I 5,000 0
J 5,000 720
K 5,000 360
L 5,000 51,300

1928 A 10,000 1,320
B 10,000 4,680
C 10,000 0
D 10,000 960
E 10,000 3,024
F 10,000 1,440
G 10,000 1,800
H 10,000 480
I 10,000 480
J 10,000 480
K 10,000 360
L 10,000 1,824

$ 35,833,509,910.00

Official US price 1933: $20.67 (per troy oz)
Total gold obligation: 1.7336 Billion troy oz.
Total gold obligation: 53,919 Metric Tons

In effect the Fed owed so very much more gold than was in the whole world

Thats not it but long enough post (it would seem to even incorporate the events of 911)


So....have I gone down a wrong path?

[lake]

Lets add a short story I read today....not that I consider it correct but as we are playing 'Cluedo' it may help solve the crime??

After WWI the Treaty of Versailles was set up to help rebuild the world and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) was created by the founders of the Federal Reserve. All the gold in Europe—and, it appears, everywhere else—went to the US Government in exchange for these Series 1934 safe keeping receipts / bonds. It is rumored that 8 ships departed China for the US with gold so it could not be by looted by the Japanese occupiers. In 1998 the 60 year hold ended, the boxes were dug up, and the people who originally gave their gold for paper wanted it back. The US said no such exchange occurred. Later, in a secret court in the Hague, the US lost the litigation of the claim and was ordered to turn over the gold by September 11, 2001. The US did not turn over the gold and the Twin Towers were attacked, accompanied by a mysterious collapse of the World Trade Center number 7. Few knew the gold vaults were under building number 7, and fewer knew they were discovered to be empty after the collapsed structure was excavated down to the vault levels. No doubt this was the heist of the century.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by lake (here)
Lets add a short story I read today....not that I consider it correct but as we are playing 'Cluedo' it may help solve the crime??

After WWI the Treaty of Versailles was set up to help rebuild the world and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) was created by the founders of the Federal Reserve. All the gold in Europe—and, it appears, everywhere else—went to the US Government in exchange for these Series 1934 safe keeping receipts / bonds. It is rumored that 8 ships departed China for the US with gold so it could not be by looted by the Japanese occupiers. In 1998 the 60 year hold ended, the boxes were dug up, and the people who originally gave their gold for paper wanted it back. The US said no such exchange occurred. Later, in a secret court in the Hague, the US lost the litigation of the claim and was ordered to turn over the gold by September 11, 2001. The US did not turn over the gold and the Twin Towers were attacked, accompanied by a mysterious collapse of the World Trade Center number 7. Few knew the gold vaults were under building number 7, and fewer knew they were discovered to be empty after the collapsed structure was excavated down to the vault levels. No doubt this was the heist of the century.

Excellent!

Here's the source:

• https://international-due-diligence....4-series-bonds

Scroll down, and you see thumbnail images of the boxes, or very similar boxes — though links to the large images no longer work. You have to go to Google Reverse Image Search to go further. Follow this link with interest. (We need Indigris' shovel not to dig for gold, but to dig for more info. )

• https://google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AM...VXPdSVXCuPj3jU

Here's the right-angle turn here: it appears the boxes (13 of them, the article says) didn't contain GOLD. They contained BONDS.

[lake]

Thanks Bill....I found the images and will post them below (not big but the floor tiles seem the same as your OP:

[ramus]

It appears that Neil Keenan-Group K Ltd.is the lead man on the Asian gold. He's been at this for a long time.

http://neilkeenan.com/

For the past month or so I have been fielding questions with respect to Neil F. Keenan and the tremendous honor he has been endowed with in being elected as the Amanah in Indonesia.

The Definition of The Amanah:

The Amanah, is the title given to the one who is and has shown his concern, care and love for not only Indonesia but for all other nations in our efforts to stay alive and relevant.

This individual is directly responsible and in charge of the deposits in all the bunkers that were placed there by the Asian Nations who brought large amounts of gifts when Sukarno was voted the first and only Amanah.

Initially, my instinct was to ignore such nonsense although it seems to have captured the minds of so many.

Neil Keenan opened the likes of Pandora’s Box with his “Trillion Dollar Lawsuit” when it was filed in the United States District Court in Manhattan, New York, in 2011.

The event of the filing of said lawsuit initiated the process of shining a light of truth that exposed the Globalist / Cabal networks and a multitude of financially fraudulent activities – included within which was the theft of bonds belonging to Mr. Keenan.
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There seems to be bunkers in Asia full of gold that was not stole by the Globalist, Neil Keenan is in charge of them.

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As much as I hate to post this, it's a good accounting of Keenan's Trillion Dollar law suit:

There are 2 parts to this. This is 2011

https://divinecosmos.com/davids-blog...t-end-tyranny/

[Kryztian]

How much, physically, is 3 Trillion Dollars of U.S. Gold???

From the time of the end of the Treaty of Versailles (1919) up until gold ownership was outlawed by Franklin Delano Roosevelt and had to be sold to the government (1932), gold prices were fairly steady at about $20 per ounce. So that would be about 150 billion troy ounces, or 5.67 million kilograms. The volume of that gold would be 326,587 cubic meters. If all this gold was melted down into one perfect cube, the cube would be 68.86 meters (225 feet) long, wide and high. Or it would measure 9,837 TEUs. A TEU is the volume of a 20-foot shipping container. A PANAMAX container ship (as large as any container ship that can fit in the Panama canal) can carry about 5,000 TEU's. So, it would take two of these ships to transport all of this gold. Of course, the cargo they usually carry is FAR less dense than gold bars, so I imagine the ship would probably sink if it were loaded up to this capacity.

Gold is a great way to store value in a small area and space BUT 3 Trillion is still an awful lot of value. This is a lot of gold to either hide or move.



(and somebody, please check my math)

[lake]

$47,039,585,807 plus interest....in gold....was the amount (at $20.67 per ounce) sought by the allies, NOT including the US, via the Treaty of Versailles from Germany for it's actions within WW1.

Now that is 47 billion dollars + 6% year on year interest, in 1922.......in GOLD....not paper, GOLD! And this is without the amount the the States would....in time....require!!

Now here:

FDR’s 1933 Gold Confiscation was a Bailout of the Federal Reserve Bank

The total face value of gold-clause Federal Reserve Notes issued prior to 1933 was equivalent to nearly 54,000 metric tons of gold. If 75% of them were outstanding in 1933, that would still be 40,500 metric tons of gold that the Federal Reserve Bank (and the US Treasury) didn’t have. Even taking the extremely low estimate of only 37.5% of the Federal Reserve Notes remaining, that would still be over 20,000 metric tons of gold. With US gold reserves at 6,000 tons, this would be a shortfall of 14,000 tons. But those 6,000 tons were needed to cover the US Treasury Gold Certificates. So at the very minimum, Federal Reserve Notes to the tune of 20,000 metric tons of gold were “circulating naked” in 1933.

and

During a “Fireside Chat” on 07 May 1933, Roosevelt basically admitted that gold-clause obligations far exceeded the amount of gold held by the US Treasury and Federal Reserve. In fact, the total gold obligations far exceeded the amount of gold in the entire world, not even counting corporate gold obligations.

“Behind government currency we have, in addition to the promise to pay, a reserve of gold and a small reserve of silver, neither of them anything like the total amount of the currency.” – FDR, 07 May 1933.

In the same speech, Roosevelt outlined that the total US gold reserves amounted to between 3 and 4 billion dollars worth (4,500-6,000 metric tons), and that all the gold in all the world was valued at 11 billion dollars (16,500 metric tons). At the same time, Roosevelt admits that US Government (and Federal Reserve) gold obligations were at least 30 billion dollars worth (45,000 metric tons), and that private US corporations had promised another 60 billion dollars worth (90,000 metric tons).

Now I must seem to keep on about The Treaty of Versailles....but it is all over the bond boxes and over the internal boxes. So the link is important.

Edit to add: best state how I get to $47 billion.... 180billion marks in gold, 2790 marks in gold to a kilo of gold (as of 1922) times $20.67 an ounce

[lake]

So while I do luv a game of thrones....I have a big issue with a particular point.

Which I have been trying to ignore.......but can not.

United Secret Book Of Redemption

I can accept the words

Book Of Redemption

It would seem rather apt when one considers the reparations required between warring parties....but

United Secret

secret?????

Now that is not the manner in written words of any westerner in the 1930's

Again.... United Secret Book Of Redemption....as seen in 3 of the OP images.

Anyone any thoughts regarding those words?

[neutronstar]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by lake (here)
Lets add a short story I read today....not that I consider it correct but as we are playing 'Cluedo' it may help solve the crime??

After WWI the Treaty of Versailles was set up to help rebuild the world and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) was created by the founders of the Federal Reserve. All the gold in Europe—and, it appears, everywhere else—went to the US Government in exchange for these Series 1934 safe keeping receipts / bonds. It is rumored that 8 ships departed China for the US with gold so it could not be by looted by the Japanese occupiers. In 1998 the 60 year hold ended, the boxes were dug up, and the people who originally gave their gold for paper wanted it back. The US said no such exchange occurred. Later, in a secret court in the Hague, the US lost the litigation of the claim and was ordered to turn over the gold by September 11, 2001. The US did not turn over the gold and the Twin Towers were attacked, accompanied by a mysterious collapse of the World Trade Center number 7. Few knew the gold vaults were under building number 7, and fewer knew they were discovered to be empty after the collapsed structure was excavated down to the vault levels. No doubt this was the heist of the century.

Excellent!

Here's the source:

• https://international-due-diligence....4-series-bonds

Scroll down, and you see thumbnail images of the boxes, or very similar boxes — though links to the large images no longer work. You have to go to Google Reverse Image Search to go further. Follow this link with interest. (We need Indigris' shovel not to dig for gold, but to dig for more info. )

• https://google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AM...VXPdSVXCuPj3jU

Here's the right-angle turn here: it appears the boxes (13 of them, the article says) didn't contain GOLD. They contained BONDS.

David Wilcock reported all about this back in 2011 or so. Yes they were bonds but it was very strange. There were mistakes in grammar, almost like they did it on purpose. Maybe so they could say they were for-juries and not have to honor them. I can't imagine somebody trying to cash them out if they weren't legit. Not at those amounts.

[shaberon]

Keenan. Yes, remember that one vaguely now. Is there outside evidence--i. e., an actual court docket or something--confirming his activity? I have never seen that, or some of the similar suits said to be filed under the Uniform Commercial Code. At that point, I began to forget the actors and their stories.

I remember the "mistakes" on these bonds claimed as being intentional, in other words, a counterfeit would be perfect, so these used manual error. Whether to dishonestly refuse stolen ones, or confirm a find on keepers, I am not sure.

I was wondering about the photos, and the comment gold does not tarnish, is generally correct, It can, however, get dirty. Condensation with bits of oxidized brass or dissolved wood or something could discolor it. Intriguing that the second set of images in #29 appear to contain boxes.

I always found it interesting that Germany ducked out of two "reparations plans" in the 20s-30s and then turned around and issued state-backed currency. Who else can be attributed with using real state money in the modern world? Hard to find.

Armies loot whatever they can, and it is hard to know if someone like Imelda Marcos is honest in the matter. Rothschild didn't really need to be involved with physical gold any more, after finding a preference for paper transactions. You just handle futures of entire mining operations and things like that. Unlike other commodities, which would give one at least temporary ownership of an orange crop, I don't think most gold paper has anything attached to it, except other papers.

Redemption is a thing of the past; a debt cannot be paid, only extinguished. Payment would require the use of lawful money, which is the kind that can be redeemed for silver or gold, belongs to the state, is not a note of a private bank. Those notes are legal tender for debts, not necessarily an honorable item for a spontaneous purchase. The correct term for the transitional notes that could be redeemed is "Certificate". If you posted the different kinds of dollar look-alikes from around 1912-1935, you would find some interesting phrase twists as the entity metamorphosed. One of my favorites was from ca. 1920 where, in the penmanship of the time, beside "Federal Reserve", someone wrote "Bolshevik". There was massive popular resistance to the change, and I have no clue what happened to all those people and their common understanding.

[shaberon]

Posted by chrifri (here)
However counterfeit documents as the above, do certainly not help to support the authenticity of the story

Good eye on those. Even if real, they would be what we call a "bearer bond certificate", being payable to...whoever bears or holds passport so and so, of address, Indonesia. There are several kinds of things like this, such as a ticket or lottery card. In many cases if I hold or bear the item, I may claim whatever is indicated, without question. The rest of the wording is trash: deducations, withhodings, politicalsubdivinisision, especially this last word suggests a German writer with a semester or two of English. "Date of Issued", "Under Letter Head of Bank"...is there anything correct on this paper? Not much.

And yes, if the images are so flimsy as to just be img1-img150 or something, those probably aren't names given by a camera, but more like auto-generated by sending them into the same computer folder. I assume they are stripped of EXIF info. A camera might do that if you took the pics all in a row, then it was called IMG, and a computer lower-cased it. Hard to tell, I assumed that Avalon renamed them...if not, then it's rather flaky.

Where were they taken? Tile floor of a bank...hotel...no, it's too dirty. Look at the picture of the end of the box and you can tell it is in front of dirty wooden molding that appears to be separating from the wall, and it is in front of a relatively shallow cabinet which appears to contain displays of butterflies and demi-tasse spoons.

[lake]

Ok so I have to call....hoax

Too much is incorrect even within the images without taking any other form of input.

I mean just one thing (apart from my last post which demonstrates a complete lack of 1930's form of writing) with regard to THREE TRILLION DOLLARS.... in 1934.

Now the annual expenditure of the war machine from the USA currently could piss away 3 trillion as if it was nothing, but in 1934....no.

The Treaty of Versailles has absolutely nothing to do with 3 trillion dollars. Nothing. There is NO way even factoring in all pensions and considerations of 'loss'....that 3 trillion can have any link to The Treaty of Versailles.

Neither can it link to the Federal Reserve System of the 1930's.

If the outer box had stated 300 billion as a total.... then I could have linked it to the Treaty of Versailles....but 3 trillion....NO....not in 1934.

If the Treaty of Versailles was never mentioned....then I could link about one third to the Federal Reserve and the insurance required between 1920-1934....but this would still leave 2 Trillion .... lol .... no really~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you all realise exactly what a trillion is?

So I call hoax.......what say you Avalonians?

[Bubu]

excuse my ignorance but I just dont understand why gold is so pricy even before the electronics age.

[Watching from Cyprus]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by chrifri (here)
After my post I did some more research. According to the information I found, Peter Davis was not CFO of UBS AG. He and Rolf Meyer (the 2 signatories on one of the copies) were members of the group executive board. Signing documents that have nothing to do with their duties as board members is very strange and I would say impossible. Of course, by coincidence, at that time, there could have been 2 other gentlemen with the exact same names, holding similar positions (another Rolf Meyer holding a vice president position could have been possible, however a Peter Davis as CFO most probably not). To me it rather seems that somebody has picked these names to make the document seemingly important. Which in my opinion it definitely is not. Further I have checked the UBS 2002 Financial Report. According to that report there was no business unit with the name Union Bank of Switzerland. By the way, I worked for UBS before and some time after the merger (before at the previous Union Bank of Switzerland). I can confirm that after the merger there were very strict rules NOT to use the name of Union Bank of Switzerland anymore. Having seen copies of other counterfeit documents during my "bankers" time I am convinced that the 2 documents are false.

Thank you!

Being Members of the Executive Board, in Fact means that they have the Power to Execute/ SIGN for the Bank. I would have anticipated the former UBS employee would know this. It most likely IS real, but if a copy is sent to the Bank asking if this could be real, either there will be no reply or they would state it is false. Don't get involved.

Happy New Year

[Watching from Cyprus]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by lake (here)
Lets add a short story I read today....not that I consider it correct but as we are playing 'Cluedo' it may help solve the crime??

After WWI the Treaty of Versailles was set up to help rebuild the world and the BIS (Bank for International Settlements) was created by the founders of the Federal Reserve. All the gold in Europe—and, it appears, everywhere else—went to the US Government in exchange for these Series 1934 safe keeping receipts / bonds. It is rumored that 8 ships departed China for the US with gold so it could not be by looted by the Japanese occupiers. In 1998 the 60 year hold ended, the boxes were dug up, and the people who originally gave their gold for paper wanted it back. The US said no such exchange occurred. Later, in a secret court in the Hague, the US lost the litigation of the claim and was ordered to turn over the gold by September 11, 2001. The US did not turn over the gold and the Twin Towers were attacked, accompanied by a mysterious collapse of the World Trade Center number 7. Few knew the gold vaults were under building number 7, and fewer knew they were discovered to be empty after the collapsed structure was excavated down to the vault levels. No doubt this was the heist of the century.

Excellent!

Here's the source:

• https://international-due-diligence....4-series-bonds

Scroll down, and you see thumbnail images of the boxes, or very similar boxes — though links to the large images no longer work. You have to go to Google Reverse Image Search to go further. Follow this link with interest. (We need Indigris' shovel not to dig for gold, but to dig for more info. )

• https://google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AM...VXPdSVXCuPj3jU

Here's the right-angle turn here: it appears the boxes (13 of them, the article says) didn't contain GOLD. They contained BONDS.

And the famous $2.3 Trillion missing also fits nicely here ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpSBUgbxBU